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vitaly portnikov mykola veresen with you tut will be until 11 o'clock in different things and circumstances to tell listen to think i hope you like it like this and i guess we will start with oleksandr harita diplomat of foreign policy and security policy as well as the center of defense strategies good health mr. oleksandr good evening i greet you personally if not i was a journalist with suspicion, i will ask you, what does a person do on a friday night instead of drinking, well, at least tea, and beer or wine is better, and it is already leaking, so 50% is very cool then, so what everything is fine, thank you, ah. so, watch with pleasure, i want to take part. so, it is absolutely so, look. well, the story with this one,

what do you say, looks somewhat controversial? and where are you, the specialist of this kakhovskaya hpp, about which they say that it is mined there and the president of ukraine says that it is dangerous there, looking from lviv, i somehow do not see any danger because it is obvious that i do not believe that the russians can dare not only because there geography is such, biology is even such that it will not help the russians much if they are all, if it all explodes, and i just have the impression that putin himself poops 7 fridays a week, he does this , he does this, he does this, he does this, he does this, then he doesn't do we'll definitely do it doesn't do i 'll definitely do it short this one this one when a person doesn't know what she wants and what she's striving for she always doesn't inspire confidence both in a good

way and in a bad way . will explode er blow up this station and it is also possible not to believe that she will not drop a nuclear bomb and may lie here and there, well, first of all, you know strategic uncertainty is an important factor. and actually putin was famous for this thing and no one expected what kind of move he would have he could, considering his resources, climb the water line and then go to another one, as first there was crimea, donbas, then syria appeared. so , of course, this is his trick, ah, but let's see. he is a rational monster, there is no doubt about it, i absolutely i agree with what the president of the united states said recently, but he lives in his imaginary distorted world, and that is precisely why we can evaluate his actions in a way that is, let's say, logical from our rational or western, you know,

western point of view, because it was definitely madness to attack ukraine on february 24, 22 of the year, since this hybrid war was more effective and less expensive for him, but he did his uh-uh mess, all the mess into the forest, this nonsense, and that's why let's not look at the fact that he didn't can do this because it is illogical. the second moment, let's remember that the communists destroyed more than 100,000 soviet ukrainians by tearing down the kyiv dam, and by the way, it is not only in kyiv, but in the baltic republics, the same things were killed simply, for no reason. in order to stop the advance of the nazis a little, this is the first, the second moment, well, we know that the women are attacking zhuk and this new bald guy, who is called the butcher of aleppo. and they say that he is the new zhukov. i

want to remind you, actually, remember that as said putin said that the united states was the only country that was in favor of nuclear weapons. well, he kept silent about the fact that in 1955 the soviet union used nuclear weapons at the polish test site, not against military japan, the enemy with whom they fought and with whom it was difficult to fight, because they, by the way, ukrainians are very similar to the japanese, they had already taken and fought, we were going to surrender our territory and he used nuclear weapons against 43,000 soviet military citizens, so putin definitely does not have these moral barriers, and this is non-recognition uncertainty strategic deer he has as part of his this image er-e definitely he can do it why does he say about it why did surovkin say about it because it is an attempt to put pressure on us and our society but it is definitely absolutely useless but also if you look at western society, this will

mean additional suffering of ukrainians. well, all these humanistic leaders of western countries will say , well, let's maybe find something called ofrem again, that is, such a way out will save putin's face, let's find some way out so that not lead to this, and even more so to a nuclear disaster , and various masks are being accused here and other pseudo-experts on nuclear topics, so i think that we have to prepare for this, it is quite likely, but i what i watched. i am not an expert from the point of view of detonations but what was written at least by the people who tried to investigate, they say that in reality and this will flood that coast where are they actually deporting and by the way, it is very correct to call things by their names here because i look at the western med, they say about the prices evacuation is the forced transfer of persons - this is the deportation and the opportunists, obviously, the evasion of the

collaborationists of the civilian population. well, yes, but unfortunately, it is like the little green men there or some other things that journalists. i am not talking definitely about you, i am talking primarily about westerners . this is the message of the katsaps and it is absolutely wrong because it distorts the very situation. therefore, it may be that we have to prepare for them to destroy the meaning because they can't do anything. to do with our army with our defense forces or these kamikaze drones are a miracle iranian they are not able to destroy immovable targets and our mobile mobile mobile protection defense they are unattainable for them that is why they destroy our own industrial and energy infrastructure they want to actually return us somewhere somewhere some there is pre-revolutionary, i mean the state of 1917, when we don’t have one of the candidates here by and large

, that’s why he will destroy all the dams, destroy the buildings of enterprises, and actually estates, that’s it it is absolutely normal. it fits into this katsap genational ideology. and tell me, mr. oleksandr, in principle, this is the story with the fact that they are moving all the authorities, the so-called puppets, to other banks of the dnipro. this means that they are waiting, as in principle, or they just want to keep this part of the kherson region for themselves. this is a very large part of the kherson region, more territory. well, just sit there in novaya kakhovka, like they sit in melitopol in zaporizhzhia, and pretend, well, that’s great. no, well they will definitely try to hold out as much as we will allow them to hold out. moreover, it is already getting cold here and there are all kinds of calculations, especially by our western partners, that winter is a difficult period, a special one

. let's say they are used to them and for them winter is a normal time like this and that's why the most important thing is that the ukrainians, as much as possible, means to free the territories before this winter, i am absolutely not sure that all these historical analogies of the times of stalingrad battles, they are, let’s say, you can put them on our reality, absolutely no, because definitely , ukrainians also took part in these in that war, and actually this is the first moment, yes, that is, not only ethnic russians , and they do not have the dna of this heroism, there are some of them of other things and the second point is certainly incomparable when you defend even such cannibalistic communist bolshevik regime and when you are partners of course that's why all these considerations of western experts seem to me to be a bit frivolous, how were they wrong about that the weaknesses of ukrainian society, the ukrainian

army, and the strength of the russian language, and they are wrong about the winter campaign, but by and large, the russians will try to hold back as much as possible. of course, this image is washed away a little when they retreat, but of course, after a certain time , the logic of military warfare is that it must take mountain what is better to defend is what is possible when there are some natural barriers in the form of hills or rivers and the second is when you reduce the length of the front because of course our mobile forces and they are much they work better and more efficiently than these, in fact, the soviet approaches to treason on the way to the world war with stretched forces and means, so of course they won’t try to hold eh in new positions a-ah well, of course pretend that they control our entire territory well, we can imagine, for example, if the ukrainian troops destroy this enclave, or how

the russians made it, and this is a fighter, these are also controversial opinions . in the military sense, something will give, but in the political psychological sense, as if there in the kremlin, the loss of kherson will be assessed in such a way that putin will be forced to start negotiations about his descendants, about a possible and about a possible replacement, where are you in this discussion, do you think that really, how to say, not military is immoral - the political blow will be so strong that it will be necessary to start talks in the kremlin about replacing putin with someone else. well, i think the question here is that we are in the city itself, and whether the russian military actually received this defeat. how much manpower and equipment they will lose, because after a certain time we do not know, these are such complicated things,

in fact, that it is difficult to list our military tasks . bakhmut himself is winning back some tens of meters there, so all these wagnerites and others are winning back, so i think that it is possible. forces of invasion and, accordingly, such a chain reaction, which actually demoralizes the troops, and they are at this, let's say, level. and this is not propaganda, or actually you can imagine how badly they are equipped, how they are. at first, they thought that they would quickly solve the question what for 140 million of them are a large nuclear power, and it turns out that they are not able

to equip even there more or less normally. i am not talking about body armor, we went and even in general there are high-precision weapons, but at least normal weapons normal form and uh, it means ordinary such things that are needed for everyday life, they are not capable of doing this. and actually, all these things are connected further. that all these mobs and all this equipment that has been re-conserved and the press came there, it does not add anything positive. it is just patching up holes. and that is exactly why there may still be such a moment when there are some serious units that fought, but they are already exhausted and they have come to the help of mobs is not capable of anything and they are not motivated, and this can lower even more. actually , this spirit is actually spirit. this is an extremely important thing , we see that at the beginning of the war we had

much less weapons, but actually, first of all , the intelligence of those with whom we planned the defense, and secondly, with this militant spirit, we were able to stop this armada, and then the western aid left, well, in the west, now its importance is slightly overestimated, it is definitely extremely important, there are no questions here. but we actually did what we had, first of all, the desire to protect own their land and only then this help came. well, by the way, all these miracles of the armory, if you periodically listen to these interceptions of conversations of the russian military, how they say about drones, how they say about hymers - this is a horror for them, they do not have such a thing, and they understand that these are extremely terrible weapons and actually these things. they demotivate and they simply bring the russian troops closer to collapse. let's still try to understand what is happening in the belarusian direction, because

today lukashenka seems to have again indicated no to me whom will we not attack? the main thing is that we should not be attacked at all. they are a peaceful country and thus , along with this, belarus is saying that it is ukraine that is trying to attack it and so on. well, you know, that is, the first moments, he is definitely a scum very rare, but on the other hand, you are not such a fool, he understands that the first thing to join the company of such an unsuccessful putin now is not to join the winner and then there to reap the laurels together with the winners, this is the first moment, the second moment he his weak positions in uh-uh actually everything and he is holding on and above all to russian money and most russian bayonets and if uh and definitely it will be so because his troops are not that powerful we have seen this video of the belarusian paratroopers they cause gamerical laughter no more definitely that they can't

do anything serious, but the coffins and actually the wounded will, uh, arrive in belarusian hospitals and they are very wonderful. invaders, so i think that he will hold out until the last, he needs to show some kind of his importance and that he is necessary for putin and actually all this rhetoric about nuclear and about the possibility that he will take part , it will be but there is another side the other side is that he is definitely holding his ground and he has a shaky position , the number of military personnel, well, first of all, the top management and the kdb and other people can listen to him. if putin gives them direct instructions to start some kind of company, because of course, well, the military they are all belarusian, i already have officers

studying in russia, of course, what are you doing in their cities exclusively in russian peace, surely we have intelligent people who understand that in this war, it

is definitely with mr. oleksandr for the first time, and then there is already someone there, yes, i who wants to ask, but everything one thing, he doesn't look calm, he has some nervousness in his eyes , we can see there, suddenly, the man went to ryazan for some reason to shoot bullets, machine guns or rifles from some cannon there, well, they will come already with some kind of packager, the two were sitting in quarantine of the world, what is going on in general well, i understand, because let's belohorodsk to the kursk region well, i understand he 's a coward, he won't come to the front, you can come by electric train, and it's an electric train here, and he means he's coming, they crash into something, they shoot, that is, i see some absolutely abnormal behavior and i sit and

think he, he understands that he now and against the elites i don't believe that the elites don't understand what morons are there, you are sitting on a plane and they don't understand where it's all moving it's not moving okay it's moving yes even to a draw in the best option not to a victory over ukraine to a draw but it's for us it's a draw almost almost a victory and for them no time it is a complete defeat and and and then if he was alone and people were sitting around him and he could not help but feel it, at least simply in smiles in smiles in conversations in physiognomy well , you and i also see the announcement of the annexation of two regions or there are four of them. i don't remember if there are three, but he is sitting in a gloomy hall. four regions were taken from them, but they were not given. but it is absolutely obvious that something happened to the danish principality. i

violated the law in a rustic way, but i violated it, this is this word, this is this word, yes. oles podervyansky, it's all me, it's not me, it's him. so , oleksandr. yes, you know, remember 2008, as they told you about the fail, that is, these banks, all kinds of golden sachs, others, they are extremely powerful and they cannot just go bankrupt, go bankrupt and collapse, but this is what happened to you that the same thing happened with nuclear russia, there are one and a half thousand strategic cores , nuclear warheads and there. he is a rational person, but he lives in a distorted world. actually, you know, i was there at one time a few years ago. i thought, well, for propaganda, they say that there is no such nation of ukraine there, le-, well, he writes later that lenin invented ukraine, and they just say that for propaganda

, they really understand that there are many such people and they want to live somehow differently, but this imperialism, this superpower, requires certain steps to keep ukraine under control and not give us the opportunity to be part of the free world there but it turned out that they do not believe in this lie and these here. i remember the anecdote about diplomats when diplomacy is lied to journalists, journalists print these lies in newspapers, diplomats read and begin to believe this lie actually. it seems to me that this is the closed circle in which this regime lives because it believes in the lies that he produces and this is the first thing, we are the second moment, if pomeranians read this, what is it about? reality is so modern potemkin this village and that's why they voted during the referendum , they saw that they mainly made a gram about

potemkin who painted scenery for catherine ii , that is, this is a sample of these that atr absek he is definitely but they have to play the web so definitely i agree that and not only the elites and the plebs are no longer satisfied, because sitting on the sofa and watching them kill khokhlovs is one story, but when they catch you, they write, they give you a summons, and you have to go, and in principle, it's a big one the number simply perishes in the first days of this glorious , uh, i mean, the eastern campaign, that's exactly why he continues this moronic game by and large, and damn it, they really have already lost the strategic plan, you lost, it will be a victory for us, we left our independence despite the occupied territories , first moment, second at the moment there is such a unity of the nation and in fact if we did not criticize ours there is something to

criticize but in general the course is very correct and er absolutely well i don't see any big questions about security issues as we can criticizing zelensky or the minister of defense or the chief of the general staff and other people, of course there are nuances. and actually, that is why this victory is the liberation of a certain amount of territory, but it will be a victory when we return the territory by february 24, and there will definitely be other victories like certainly not only means the return but the overthrow of the regime in moscow because it will happen because in principle you understand perfectly well and this is a historical fact. by the way, putin is always talking about this soviet union. geopolitical catastrophe and all other things, he is hardening and preparing for the scenario of 90-91

, but in reality, this scenario is happening in 1917 and he will try to press the society itself, and we see arrests for swearing and other things, but in reality bullshit, and above all, these poor people who return from the war, they will actually bring this disease of unbelief and then the legitimacy of this authoritarian leader will actually be attacked. i am not talking about these henchmen who are nearby. i do not believe that institution absolutely no, he created a wonderful system and we will therefore later study them as a model of special operations in relation he performs the task, he is watched and then

the one who is watching is watched, but actually they have such a system. by the way, a characteristic feature of russians is total horizontal mistrust, which is exactly why they simply can not come to an agreement and somehow drown this rat somewhere in order to save their property the future of their children well, actually, this will definitely not happen, but at a certain point in time the totalitarian resources will simply be exhausted and this regime will form or collapse like that, i don’t believe that there will be any kind of institution. transformation eh i have why someone will come to power because all the people were democrats selected russian philanderers read lenin as he told in fact there must be an aggressive minority organized there must be a certain ideology of propagandists and it must be revolutionary the situation is only then you can come to power and then with blood and blood to stay in power, the

librals are not capable of this, it seems to them that now the regime will fall, they will come in such whites, so there will be democracy, it will definitely not happen."

we also have such a center of defense strategies. as far as i understand now, iran is a major, if it is a land surveyor , then ihor semigolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies, we cannot say that the iranians already have such a middle east, it is like persia, yes, but nevertheless, it is there somewhere iran everyone is interested now. good health, can you hear us, mr. igor? it seems to me, by the way, mr. igor, that after the islamic revolution in the morning, the east is near. well , it is possible, yes, it is possible, and i hear it. congratulations, mr. mykolayovych, yes, look how far iran can really work for russia against ukraine and against its own population, which has been rebelling for several weeks , and they say that this is somehow different from

the previous riots. then you will explain to us, please , what is the difference, if in your opinion it is also different. so iran has enough now. forces to look here and there and be friends here and uh put pressure on the local own population and have problems with israel have problems in syria have problems problems now there are still problems with sanctions 158 or 254th so the situation in iran well , you can here continue er-e continue the words we are the end of this hope in the peasant way yes because he really took too much and too soon and clearly he did not count on at least an uprising inside the country, well that is what i call major riots yes that is, we are still we can not to talk about it as a revolution is not eh and since

the revolutionary situation is only being formed, but there is no doubt that a great solution exists well, we will return to this and regarding iran itself eh or here i would say yes and that political elite and part of the political elite came to power last year with the head of this brag raisi m.m. and actually who represents the guard corps of the islamic revolution ? determine political course. i think that under the previous regime. if he was in the previous government, as he was also islamist, but i think that we have not seen or

heard of such a thing. well, nevertheless, we have what we have, what is important here, what is important is what and the iranians after the 15th year, starting after the nuclear agreement was concluded, really had enough resources to start such a powerful expansion in the middle east, essentially cutting through the neck corridor from tehran to the mediterranean sea they took advantage of the circumstances they took advantage of the arab spring, and hmm, the famous , famous, er, 11 are the heads of the corps of the islamic revolution, er, killed by the americans , by the americans of suleimani. and who do you remember, well, you always mean, with whose portrait always descends as if in paradise