and when there is a war, all the negotiations are very complicated and unknown, and we very often point the finger and wish for a sharp reaction, and very often it happens that i simply will not be a small example. i apologize, i am taking a little time from vitaly . energy workers are so qualified and they say that if the russians will offer russian passports to the ukrainian e-e employees of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, if they do anything, they must agree, because for the energy workers, the first, second and third are to leave we will forget that this system is working if there is a nuclear explosion, if the ukrainians do not monitor there , the russians themselves cannot, they do not know what is there, what technology is there, and therefore the ukrainians, for the sake of everything

on earth, for the entire globe, must do everything so that there are no people there either so that they are not called collaborators, if they do something according to someone, no matter how terrible abramovich is, if he really contributed to the exchange of hundreds of ukrainian prisoners of war, then i forgive him everything. because for me, my native ukrainians are more precious than anything and that's why i think that zelenskyi and the rest of the people and the leadership of ukraine are probably thinking about it, and i don't think that they just say that. and our eyes will be under sanctions. abramovich just gave me a bribe at the wrong time during the war. i apologize for the tautology . giving and taking bribes. it seems to me that if the russians want to replace the energy workers at the zaporizhzhia cs, they will replace any passports . and if you want to leave them there, they will remain with ukrainian citizenship. so it seems to me that this is absolutely absolutely

there are outstanding energy workers of our time, and i need to be an energy worker, i just need to have a head on my shoulders for such simple people . to leave this complex, i will remember if they have logic, if the russians want to leave us personnel there, they have left it, well, there is logic, i repeat but putin has his own logic, and it is not related to passports, it is related to what he wants there do now i am not talking about putin, about uh, is abramovich participating in all these processes from the first days, it is difficult to say what his participation really is, because the parties give conflicting information about it, on the one hand, there was information in the world media that abramovich seems to be participating in this process at the initiative of the ukrainian side, which for some reason decided that he has a special influence on putin and was invited to the verification

process through the mediation of e.e. film producer oleksandr soviety, on the other hand, the president himself zelenskyi said that abramovich was eloquent on the russian side and not on the ukrainian side. there was information that the president of ukraine asked the president of the united states and the prime minister of great britain not to introduce sanctions against abramovich. the president of the united states allegedly agreed to sanctions against nature or there were no such sanctions. serious, and the prime minister of great britain did not have any information that abramovich was together with prisoners of war who were taken to turkey on the same plane, we do not know his role in this we know that he gave them a mobile phone to these people right on the plane, ramemevich was at the negotiations in belarus together with the president of turkey, but he keeps coming up who is abramovich, he is actually the cashier of vladimir putin, one of you, you are the main

one. a day of delaying sanctions against abramovich in every country saves putin's assets and gives abramovich and everyone else the opportunity to hide money, so of course it was very important for them that it was abramovich remained a human being, and this was also warned from the first days of the war, which will be free from sanctions, because it gives putin the opportunity to feel at ease in the face of any terrible sanctions against russia, because i know that he personally, his money is not in any danger, nothing is in danger this is an important point, again, how much does abramovich influence the process of exchange of prisoners, we really do not know and may never know he wants to release someone, but he always needs someone to show. this is a person without whom

there would be no exchange. medvedchuk once played such a role. we don't think that medvedchuk really influenced the exchange. putin needed medvedchuk to be there. and now it's obvious who it is necessary for abramovich to be there, not zelensky putin, but sanctions against abramovich can mean the refusal of further exchange, because putin can say well, if you don't want, i want to have, well, then that's all, bye, will putin involve lukashenko to fully participate in the war against ukraine. is lukashenko himself ready for this? after all, he continued to assure us that he must oppose what putin is loading him with. well, how do i blackmail him? well, this is very interesting. i think future political scientists should study this element very carefully. wars why because he is blackmailing all his life, he is simply saying that you will die and belarus will die if i do not give you at least a billion dollars a year or 5 billion, but i absolutely

believe in lukashenka. i am convinced that if he is -is he flew away from russia during 94 and 96, i don't remember 94, yes, he's leaving. and she's leaving, grandmothers left, and grandfathers left, and he's leaving, and it would be very strange that when putin considered himself on a horse in march, in april, not in may, then lukashenko did not join and now, when lukashenko sees what is happening on the ukrainian fronts, for lukashenko to say and now i will join, he will make maneuvers there, i could be wrong, i am not a military expert, he will make maneuvers, he will be there, he will really continue fly some planes bombing ukraine i don't rule out i don't rule out some rules no to russian in belarus i don't rule out some kind of provocation on the border i don't rule out all of this, but for him with his troops i almost rule it out it's 99/10 so

there's an approximate chance something might happen but i don't believe anything else percentage breakdown i think it 's 50 to 50 now i think that after 2020 lukashenko doesn't have much room for maneuver i think now that he didn't take part in the war uh-uh in february-march because he just wasn't needed putin absolutely clearly believed that he could manage without him. they wanted to take kyiv in a few days, why lukashenko? and now they really don't have enough people, the first moment, the second moment, they need cannon fodder, you know, they were in the first months of the war, they were people they were caught on the streets in donetsk and luhansk and sent them for the first time. i believe that there is a planned policy, the first row goes to ukrainian citizens, that to identify fire points, the second row is buryat, then it is dagestan and then the regular city council. this

there may even be regular troops, there are also zhulians near vinnytsia, and it’s just that putin has an idea to reduce the number of ethnic russians, and i think that the belarusians may be needed precisely for this, so that they identify fire points in the north, at the same time , the number of, let’s say, productive reproduction is decreasing belarusians are not joking. this is an absolutely nazi approach, and after the annexation, belarusians can mix in a simple russian man who will save them alive, and for himself, 140 million, and not as many as in belarus, 10 million people 10 19 this it may be important to simply kill them, another problem is that with lukashenko, now we understand that his people do not want to take part in this, he can intervene precisely so as not to distort his own situation in order to tell putin, listen to me, there will be a new uprising here, only for us and not it was enough, but he had little opportunity to deal with it, he is trying, but when he already went to abkhazia, they went to the olympics, but he

still didn't do it for how long, well, something, 14 years, something. he has to do something like this tomorrow the belarusian battalion, how does the uvaz prepare, all the birds will fall into the abyss? well, this is just about lunashenko. i somehow look at it and think that you somehow exaggerate the intellectual abilities of mr. putin. he somehow has such a thing here , so it seems to me that he does not have such people for a long time, even if he wants to destroy someone. it makes it much easier than thinking first line of attack second third here and there lukashenko i don't know i don't know maybe i'm right maybe i'm not why you have more intellectual abilities when we saw the destruction of people from donbas with their own eyes they said about it they said this is not my fiction. this is just a scheme of the battle for donbas. i agree about these, what are the names of the russian minorities? what is there to disagree about? i would talk to people like me from these regions. they say that there are no longer just

young men in many places, but in russia such a deficit is observed, it is simple, it is simply elefermetics no yes, there are 10,000 people in the nation, just this version is very simple that they are taken from the villages and those national minorities who mostly live in the villages, you scoop them all up and not only live in the cities, it is also logic will ukraine's western partners be glassy with russia, in particular, france continued to talk about the need for dialogue, and erdoğan continued to talk about how high the chances of all persuasions are and how important it is for us not to waver, because it is obvious that the kremlin needs these negotiations only to take a break to regain strength. i think that there will always be talk about negotiations, and i never thought that something extraordinary and so terrible would be negotiated, anyway, at the end of any war, some kind of negotiations begin and even unconditional surrender, everything they sat there and talked about something, even knowing that america and the soviet union were britain, and

after joining france in the end. they still talked about something, they didn’t talk, they just brought their dining documents. here is the order to give and here there should be a phone to call and give the order, although it is necessary for this, and then when everything has already started, the bullets do not fly and the shells then really sign it and here i have a hard time imagining the end, i have a hard time imagining eh act to you conspiracies let russia capitulate, the majority of people want it, i want it too, moreover, i do, moreover, i want it to be signed in moscow or in the residence of the president, where it is in the barvikha or where putin is sitting, but i do not see options to it happened as someone wishes and i can wish that's why in

any civilized country there are always people who say that we will still have to have negotiations and in this case it is france erdoğan who is playing his game and we will not get anywhere from this thoughts there will be and now maybe the situation in the congress of the united states of states is changing and there will also be some ideas that let's negotiate. because really no one needs a pause, we must finish off the enemy, but the pressure will always continue, this theory will always be alive, there will always be useful idiots who will say, well , peace is better than war, and try to prove this people that it is not so that in this version for

ukraine war is better than peace and more necessary than peace and not just better and more necessary, well, first of all, it must be said right away that russia, despite everything, has not yet changed any of the conditions that they put forward in february 2022 when the conversation about negotiations begins, they immediately say well, of course, we need to recognize the russian status of crimea, donetsk-luhansk, now kharkiv, zaporizhzhia region, where militarization, de-nazification, you should not join nato, neutrality, disarmament, and then there is question and why from what hell no why then we were fighting if you could immediately agree to raise your hands on the 24th without kherson region yes it’s great that’s true it’s kind of strange and in this situation, of course, there is another very important question about which it is necessary to say this what i just think is that these negotiations will end

in no way at all, that is, the only instrument, and i would say the instrument of victory, the sketch of the negotiations that i see is that we saw the signing of the grain agreement, when you came, the russian delegation signed something and the ukrainian delegation came to see what was signed and they did not meet with each other, who could be connected there, here we are, here are the lines . table, and why is it turkey, it doesn’t matter, there can be any other mediator, even the president of anna. i mean how it will look for us - from the point of view of signing any agreement, zelensky and putin, relatively speaking , or yermak and vaino or lavrov and kuleba not among themselves they will meet, they will come out of different doors, not in a broad sense, are you convinced that erika will not want to talk about something, for example, the negotiations

should end with russia getting rid of nuclear weapons. of nuclear weapons o-o-o the victory of ukraine of the civilized world can be restored its territorial integrity of the civilized world the victory of the civilized world can be that it proves that the civilized world can to defend the sovereignty of the country that encroaches on the aggressor is already a maximum victory civilized education and that these countries defended their sovereignty without the use of nuclear weapons against them millions of residents of these countries died this is a huge victory i can't even imagine what the scale of this victory would be considering that all this it may still happen that we are only on the threshold of these possibilities and this is a great victory. if we are an integrated country, we leave russia with nuclear weapons and the bandit simply goes to his house to heal your wounds will be broken and the world will look at it in a completely different way, let's move on.

bandits have fucked you, they have knives, guns, they are attacking you. mykola will be even much worse, the bandit will not just go to his house, he will attack kazakhstan the next day and there will be a new term at negotiations yes, i, i have something here, i have problems, change, growl , confused, myself. i am not saying that it will happen next year, it may be in 2027 that he will renounce military actions on the territory of other sovereign states in exchange for something , some kind of economic preference if there is an economic crisis, that they will buy oil and gas from him, or that not additional sanctions will be introduced, whatever. but i repeat, are we talking now about ukrainian-russian negotiations , or will there be american-russian ones? well, they can certainly be if shigo and austin are talking to each other now, and the american consultations have not stopped if the minister of defense of the united states and russia are talking today, this is not a negotiation, what is it called, is it a

victory or not? at the time of the first and second, at the beginning of the war, everyone would not have known what kind of instruments, no one, on september 20, 1 we know tools that can be used since the ninth year, there was already a league of nations, with which germany was already expelled by italy, the soviet union . andruhovich had to do with us. a flurry of criticism, and he is against putin, that one. i don't know about it

today, but the editor-editor-our editor told us about it, so it's just about what mr. yaroslav says. why does someone criticize something? well for example, it means the health of society if someone criticizes something and expresses a different point of view that is not similar to the point of view of september portnikov ostrovsky and so on and so on, it means that this is a living society where everything is fine. it talks about something and the church is a great target for bullying such people, but for some reason it is shorter that the audience does not really understand what you are reading because i will read about various opinions and the more diverse opinions it seems that it is necessary to work with society to somehow correct people's thinking in order to really become a real

democracy. hope for words is possible. we work in society. we speak statements. they try not to work as society. here we have different points of view and society did not authorize me. if i were the president of ukraine, then i would work in society. i'm just trying to show different points of view, arguing here from italy, arguing with other people. i believe that the president should definitely not work with society. has to perform duties and we have to work with society, it's different things, it's the other way around yes, yes, yes, yes , not a little bit, it's society, it's the creation of pluralism, and here at this moment, a halo over the head of vitaliy vinnyk, how does time work, the public president of ukraine, any - this is hired officials. i'm not talking about the president. i'm talking about our work, but our work polyana is simply to show to be a mirror, to show different opinions.

pioneers worked with me when i was a student in october, and in the komsomolka it is work with society in the united states no one works with society ah and but in fascist germany everyone worked propaganda is not work with society propaganda is a corruption of society and work with society is just that the demonstration of different opinions is the creation of an atmosphere for polyalism in order for there to be different views and for some views to seem relevant and some views to be not without evidence, this is exactly what discussions are showing, that's why people there they vote for someone, they vote for someone because they believe there is no difference between what i said and what they tell me well, vitaliy, the last one is interesting, that's the main thing, you won, i lost, i agree, do you save electricity or have you done it before, my bti was like this back in the 70s - the 1960s of the 20th century, which they remember for sure turned off the light in all the rooms of their apartment on mykhailivskyi lane in kyiv than in the room where she was and

i was brought up. and by the way, when she then rehearsed here in israel, it helped her a lot because it turned out that in the civilized world they don't pay pennies like in the soviet world, she was thrifty in kyiv, thrifty people remained in jerusalem, that's why she was provided for in jerusalem as a pensioner, at that time i her peers said oh oh no money at all they stayed to turn off the light, they said it was so what can i tell you, i bought my wife bought three heaters i have a hot water heater, well, the vodka is not electric, electric is the usual one, and how do i put it with me in bed because it's really cold, yes, and it's true, but today the energy experts explained to me that just after 12:00 something needs to be turned on, so

it definitely helps the system a lot. it cannot fall below that, so there must be some kind of power supply. and i have some at night. tonight, i will turn on something at night. i have something to warm myself. vodka is just that. no, i don’t want to have those churches in my heart instead. everything is fine. that's why i can't electric, let's invent something else for him to he turned himself on he should give me some advice, what is his day today, dear viewers, please write to us, what should he turn on at night, and here i am, and there is such a handsome one , i say, you have already won, i admit it, i still want to to understand what to turn on, you know, you still have literally nine minutes, eight is pressing and you will think about it, dear help, the hall is nowhere yes, okay , i said how realistic the new attack on kyiv , ms. nataliya, i will tell you this honestly, but i have, change the hare, confused doubts i hardly believe in

detonation of a nuclear power plant i almost don't believe in a new attack on crimea on kyiv i almost don't believe in the explosion of this uh story from kakhovka uh, that means the water environment, do you understand me? and i can even explain why i have the same ones i just have a catastrophic consciousness. why are they like that? well, he is five kopecks in court on his own. why isn't it a catastrophic consciousness to negotiate with such people? well , you won't say a single sentence. why ? as he would say he doesn't complete anything until the end, he has such a specific character that he starts to announce something, say something, and then thinks for a long time, then

maybe it's not necessary, and maybe that's why he caught fire today, come on, come on, come on, and then come the next day some shoigu - he says maybe it is not necessary and he says maybe it really is not necessary and this is how it is always mobilization when all the battles were shouting to him let ’s mobilize and no it is not necessary then when everyone has stopped well let’s mobilize then two weeks pass well we cancel mobilization but no we are canceling the mobilization, but there will be no mobilization in the center, but there will be in the outskirts. well, in short, this is all put together . he does not know what he wants, and this seems to me to be the worst state of affairs for a politician, whether a politician is good or bad. by the way, i am not saying here what hitler would say about good people knew what he wanted stalin knew what he wanted and in turn knew what he wanted and roosevelt knew what he wanted and how he knew what she wanted and the forest did not know what she wanted and here we have it in 45 days

, that's what we have then i have the impression that putin doesn't have a strategy, he can't he doesn't know that he has ideologies, let this eclecticism in his head disprove me now porshnikov and the guard knew that she wants to be, he doesn't know what he wants, it just doesn't work out for them, it happens very often that people know that they don't want you, it doesn't work out for them that's when they think that they don't know, and those who don't know what he wants and they get out of them think that they knew that they didn't want to fight with hitler, but everything worked out for him, and that's why we think that we know exactly what he wants. so i here we will talk with him like hitler wanted to manage world capitalism hitler, the hotel of the third reich, world domination. so this is such an abstraction, alistrat wanted to implement brexi, it just does not materialize, and putin wants to create the soviet union, it is simply not created , well, everything is just an eyelash that cannot be created really, i am just terribly interested 5 minutes to the

end i it is interesting to see today's ratings if the ratings are high and this will mean that the audience is interested in the dispute between september and portnikov, we will not answer questions further and we will be here, and why this question can to be debatable. you just said that pluralism is important. i want to show you, the audience , a person who says that he does not work for society, advocates for pluralism, but wants not to be contradicted, and that is why he naturally likes such an ego that the president worked with society. well, what about the president where can you object and maybe i answered you yes, what about him today and i will answer, what is he like today, after all , i trust the general staff more than mykola september, i ostap says that it is very little and he can but there may be a direction to the west. i believe that an attack from the territory of belarus may take place in a limited

form . i am simply not a military expert, mykola. they did not suffer a complete defeat there once and twice, so that these troops that are in our west and in the north, this is a large part of the troops, it is a fact that they could not move from here to there to replenish our armed forces in more critical areas of the front this could be, i can't imagine a situation in which the russians are not crazy. they do everything absolutely. well , i would say it's just thought out. in february, they couldn't break through to kyiv, then they broke through, they were stopped, they were on the outskirts , in fact, yes, they were inside, they were on obolon, hello, ballads, they were ours, who captured their uh, they were on the border of the city, the city is poisonous, the place where they were a this border well

good. in any case, if they could not enter kyiv. well, let's agree that they did not enter kyiv. in any case, it will be much more difficult for them to break through there now, because these are fortified areas both here and in the west, but the very fact of the invasion even on a small part of the territory , he withdraws forces and the idea of ​​withdrawing forces can be very important, especially in the conditions of striking critical infrastructure at the same time as sometimes it happens when everything still has to be the last anyway, that is, he said and i two minutes, you can talk for two minutes and everything will be fine , because what are they keeping the army there so that god's harrows don't overturn a ukrainian? that's how they don't overturn it, and that's how our ukrainian army stands on the border with belarus, and it won't go anywhere from there. it's obvious and if it doesn't

happen, the russians won't either. that's why everything is going great, but ah, i would say that i would, by the way, i repeat that anyway vitaly is right, i'm not, i'm just trying to come up with other options well, sometimes this at the very end in an hour and a half minutes to the end to argue, then the whole time he refuted me, now i want to refute him, we did it by 30%. if mr. portnikov told us, we are for pluralism, i have this opinion and he has a different one, fine, now there is 1 minute left and we will spend one minute now, so that i can say a little that such cases happen, they are unique, i do not deny the world that portnikov is not 100% . at 99 bullshit, when did this happen yes, it never happened yes, well , that's why it grows from time to time and you

definitely need to treat it with respect, but i'm here will tell you 30 seconds or 30 minutes 50 se a 30 seconds i.e. the clock and my ears say 30 but i’ll try to figure it out here when and so and so let’s 35 it will be a concession you can reach a concession won i always say you won 10 seconds can present mykola september at the end of this broadcast, we will also interact. dear friends, we will say goodbye . i hope you did not like it. so it was interesting with us, and this is important because in such times we need all of us to be interesting with each other, this is our solidarity will help us win this war and here the speech is a radiant speech of portnikov , after all, at the end of the program on this