i'm just telling you, they told us before the recording that you have a lot of work to do. you are now stuck with dates. i just want to note that there is the main directorate of intelligence of the security service of ukraine, the representative office of the ministry of internal affairs, they are very, very good at meeting and we have there is a very, very large and good interaction, what was not there, for example, there was a year ago, there was two years ago, and so on, they are just well done, they understand what is happening and just ask when you will have time to build what is there, come there, get it guys there and well, it's all easier completely i don't know, well , after the capture, we will not be questioned about this, i will most likely be questioned about recruitment, about torture there and so on, and this is this, this is the operative strategic level of what happened and i was present. i am a witness

, one of the few. they said about this, well, i am a rather radical person and emotionally joy is of course more reserved, but the commander is more clear, and we said about it that i have problems, uh. if the question is whether mariupol was surrendered, i will say that no , it is just a negligent attitude to the enemy and to planning, that's it if we take the zone of the joint forces, but there is still the southern direction of crimea, the troops advanced from the crimea and did not feel

any resistance. of the united forces. this is a question for another person. i think that i personally don't know who was responsible for it there. i don't know the last name, but it is such a structure. well, the structure that once united the south and it was supposed to defend this place. since 2015, i understood that the direction of crimea is not closed, it is not closed at all there, well, it was very weak on the defense and the fact that the troops would go to the crimea, well, it was logical, and what you should have met on this isthmus well, this is a small logistics - a small corridor of mobility is called military and

that is, if i simply closed the artillery there and everything, the enemy would have come to me. well, kherson would not have been occupied. berdyansk would not have been occupied. melitopol would not have been occupied. the front line would not be occupied. so we would be surrounded because the ring itself, the ring of mariupol, was closed by another group of ro- the eastern group, which passed between volnovakha and mariupol, they closed the ring between nikolsk and mariupol, well, that’s it. and we were waiting against the landing force. oh, we were waiting for the landing of the landing force from the sea coast, and there was no replenishment one thing about berdyansk, i don't remember which settlement the column that left crimea was replenished with personnel and equipment, it was a landing above berdyansk courses in our area of ​​responsibility - this is not an operation of the joint forces, i'm saying this, well, north, oh, south i had to do it and it really affected me when i was sitting on the

old floor. that is, we did not sleep there at all. here, but the experience we received. well, we all thought that we would die. the experience we received. i thought that it should be passed on. say and i wanted people those who are guilty have been held responsible and there was such rhetoric in the media that we will deal with it later, you will deal with the maidan as well, and we are still dealing with it, and you still don’t go and write what do you think about what happened in mariupol, you say later on, i will definitely say everything during the survey, well, in simpler terms, uh, when i meet with the ministry, i say you are in this and i will definitely. well, a letter to the prosecutor general's office has been written for this, we need time for this, we need to sit down and put a sheet of statistics so that i had an official i was there as

chief of staff or temporary acting and so on, i write there the name of the prosecutor general, i ask you to consider such and such a question, well, this is this is this is a big testimony this is a very big testimony how it all happened who said what were the surnames, as they said. here and there are witnesses, a witness , and a flight, so what is he doing, he actually led the resistance of mariupol, that's what you know. i personally agree with this. well, i don't hide it. i personally believed that uh, with uh russia is not launching a full -scale invasion uh well, as the chief of staff i am i was wrong. well, everything helped. and why did i think so, because the forces that were, er, well, they

were not concentrated, so er, there were not enough forces, and they were scattered . there is some center, i don't remember what it's called, whether it's the fifth center, whether it's under the fsb or under the game, which develops psychological pressure operations there, and the intelligence agency and so on, and they all hoped for an effect . let's say so, and this center, in my opinion, was disbanded by the russian federation, if i'm not mistaken, they well, they planned the operation, they planned it very, very badly. i believe that from a purely military point of view, the one who brings such an operation, such an order, well , the plan of action of the president of the russian federation, he should have been in prison or shot. it was a wrong operation

, the logistics were not thought out. and i just put myself in the place when you do intelligence reporting, we did it separately . analyzed what thoughts everyone had, that is, everyone guessed a little bit. well, they didn’t guess, but let’s say they analyzed. correctly, raidis analyzed. correctly, the enemy will go to kyiv and try to capture it. i, for example. well, i said that he would not succeed. it's because it's known that it's a losing operation, here's the enemy, it's a losing operation, that is, i was right, and we just played games somewhere, when we all wrote the debriefing, we wrote that we should count on the fact that the russian federation and the president of the russian federation, he is illogical, he

he is generally illogical in his actions, well, it is very difficult to understand what is happening to him and that is why we did it as, well, as the military, and because russia was counting on this shock effect, and it happened. guesses and in the kherson and zaporizhzhia regions and in the southern direction berdyansk all the military and so on left kherson all the military and so on left for melitopol if i am not mistaken the fighting has already started behind melitopol why this happened is not my question i hoped that you already to me will you tell me when i get out of captivity why did this happen, someone said later, we will figure out my personal condition in the early hours of the first day of the 24th, that's all

who you were in contact with in mariupol, and i can say yes, it's me i don't hide the full force of the national police, the full force of the patrol police left, i don't know the full force, the majority of them remained, it's more the commander of the patrol police, it's just called a tiger in our slang, that's how he helped us a lot, and some, i just don't know it's there, it's disguised as i different subdivision of each him i remember, because everything was happening chaotically, i changed my clothes and started going out there. some women who are military personnel also simply went to zaporizhzhia without any order and so on. we later presented them as deserters because they are deserters. well, if you wear a military uniform regardless depending on your gender, you are a soldier, you have a fixed weapon, you have a fixed body armor, a helmet, if you need to defend your place or not your city, but your country, you should

do it, but simply the government, and the city government was i don't remember the problem, but the problem was that despite what the media said, i heard that akhmetov was good for full access to his factories there, and with the last ones, and so on, and there was a very big problem getting to azovstal, we didn't they held a parade, it was delayed until the first day of the full-scale offensive, although the planning began in two weeks, so i will tell you, and we tried , it came to the point that, just so you understand, we will be allowed to enter there only if we change into the mother-of-the-bride uniform and uh so that only raidis came in

i called ignat and the commander of the 12th brigade and we planned to enter exactly on the 24th, well, that is, everything was postponed, at first it was possible, then it was not possible, we went to inspect the location, that's right, the war had already begun, well, full-scale, well, the plan. well, we originally planned to be there at 20:00 transfer to 21 transfer to 22 transfer then we are looking for a uniform of our size, instant glasses give their place to fairy tales well, what if you are waiting for a full-scale offensive? well, we just told everyone, you understand. i'll just go there, because if you start a large-scale offensive - this is martial law. excuse me, the military is already in charge, and this is exactly what happened. there were also problems, for example, with the evacuation of civilians , when some representatives of the government did not understand this when they made green corridors, if not

agreed not with the military from our side, not with the military from the russian federation side, and simply the convoys went to the mini fields, and we stopped them, and then the question came to us. there was er it's called military anarchy i call it military anarchy and why did you ask i remember your question i haven't answered yet so it's very difficult so right away why raids er why manage the defense of mariupol there was a joint headquarters of the defense of mariupol about the head of the joint defense headquarters of mariupol was appointed colonel denys shvega, the commander of the 12th brigade, which includes the ssps, that is, he is the direct head of the radish, but the joint joint headquarters of the defense of mariupol also included all representatives of the police of the 23rd

in the winter and so on and so on, it ceased to exist somewhere on well, i can say that on the first day because for almost all the soldiers the 36th brigade was not present there and at that time it was still on the line of the combined forces for almost all there are 99%, er, military personnel. it was a shock, nothing happened yet, but there are er, many convoys, civilians are calling us there from henichesk and they say that a convoy of 500 er armored vehicles is going. well, such convoys simply do not exist, well, i understand what it is exaggeration is the only information we have and everyone has glass eyes and what and what is this, well, everyone just got lost in themselves and the raids just simply began to manage first the headquarters of bruno mariupol, and then well, i was at the headquarters of pol- at the headquarters of poklazov, and then we went out

there, did actions in the lane secured not in our area of ​​​​responsibility, this our own initiative, because we understood that everyone was lost. and from that day on, the headquarters of the azov regiment began to work, he began to manage the radis, and in the headquarters that managed the defense of mariupol , only azovians and the commander of the 12th brigade, denis shuga, the commander of the 12th brigade, were found colonel denys oleha acted like a real man , before that he was always involved in the protection of public order, the protection of the courts there, the national guard has too many issues, and we were always engaged in war, and he simply said, guys, i will not interfere with you, what can i help you, and that is, he talked to some commanders there and so on the following morning, he did the right thing, he appointed radis officially to that is, in a voice through his mouth, it is called he appointed radis

to the deputies in charge of the troops, well, as a matter of fact led all the raids led all our headquarters what kind of man above man well i have not seen such people well at all well in all my life and probably i have not seen this phenomenon like the azov regiment is a phenomenon here regiments said a phenomenon because the flight is financed that's why i think that's why he was sent to turkey because they , er, think er, that bezradisa is here, well, everything fell apart in terms of the regiment, but they were wrong, they did not fall apart , we will all turn around, and er, when raidis returns , er, we will now try to make the most fearless unit so that he leads him into battle radius is that person, you know, in war, sometimes

commanders, i can say this directly, must give orders to go to death in war, so come back alive. it 's very good, but it doesn't work. to die also with his personnel rendis is such a person who can die for everyone his own fear that's why for him such trust when we when we saw how they met with their relatives well, now you have tears welling up, i'll tell you that we have tears i turn around because we are also sometimes sentimental. well, he is for us, ah, he is just an older brother who leads us, and he is the brother,

you understand, the brother, because he will stand next to any soldier and shoot. regardless , he will a general, an admiral, or someone else, it matters a lot when the commander and the military have no children. i ca n't tell you because i don't have a hand, i don't have children. so, i think that solves it a little bit. i have it . my opinion, i have no questions, no children . yes, i understand, and we happily talked about it. well for example he is married uh i say that you need a child already well that's it already make friends with whom did you communicate how were the commanders from the chief together no no no that was before of course i say well you definitely have to leave the child in this world

necessarily because well, the gene that you have, it should stay in this country is not very practical , was the right class, i am very practical to stay, it somehow decides, i have children, you know the child, i would like to have a son there, and a daughter, in general, the first to war i first wanted to have a daughter a-a then with this, daughters love their parents more, or their fathers, but i have a problem with the fact that, er, i am very practical and radical, and for me, work comes first, and work is the protection of parents for the protection of the homeland, now the first thing is airplanes no, well we understand what politics is, and politics is politics. and war, the continuation of politics, is a blockade -

this is a very painful topic, and this is the question about it . came to lefortovo, you understood that there were pianos, the mother was on the uniform, quickly inserted quickly how well, i don’t know how i became so fast and quickly how well, the camera is small , and i won’t hand in mine. i’m not going to split, but i won’t surrender mine in the game, there are officers of honor. what did you eat, who cooked, what did you eat in civilian life? i’m a civilian. i’m more than 2,500 people. and as long as the majority of the 36th brigade seemed to us this there were about 4,000 people and everyone was

provided by uh. then you called the regiment when we left for mariupol and you were already there on the second and third day well, we immediately planned the rear point in zostalia, ignat, well, he just knocked on the door in azovstalii, he said anyway, well, then we were not banned because the first arrival they were there in silpo - in mariupol and in the rls region, that is, well, they just stopped by and they don't even ask anyone if, uh, i don't know, you know, i won't comment there, where he was, how he was, i don't know in mariupol, he was n't there for a day, well, he said that he used to go to work and there were already shellings and therefore him the cars turned around and drove in the other direction, but i wanted to ask you about the mayor, what do you know about him, because he communicated quite actively through the mass media in the first days and in

the first for a certain month, and maybe more, and contacted tells what is happening on a dark background to make it seem like i'm in mariupol, and that's why i wanted to ask. i didn't just ask what happened to the city government personally, the mayor . i don't understand the position either it didn't bother me much. i just heard that we ran away. well, as a man, i can say that it's not worthy of behavior. now, for example, this is my personal opinion. what is klitschko doing? he does everything well. well, i can't fully appreciate him. plan like a chimera but i remember that i watched he stayed in kyiv, well, our president, he also well , he stayed there and, er, well, there he made a video address

against the background of the president's administration, this is important because i will tell you that a good parallel to boychenko is the mayors of terekhov and not the peace of vilkul, well, who were considered pro-russian, but they stayed in kharkiv and headed it, yes, i don’t know. i’m just told that’s for sure. it’s certain that in 22nd, you know, there was a reason to even stuff someone’s face like that. just for the whole internet well, you know, maybe if he himself didn't run in a bulletproof vest in a fairy tale and didn't wear a uniform, then maybe it would even be necessary to invent it, you know, from the point of view of the group to play. i just don't know about volka and cherikov, but well i can't command and fork came and

i said everything, i will deal with the defense of the city, it is possible . well, i don't know how they did the elected place because the mayor is not in charge of the defense of the city, the military is in charge of the peace, the peace must help in all respects, the mercenary called so the communication was dependent, the communication was dependent, and the house and the president were dependent, of course well, i didn’t talk to them, uh, i uh, well, i was there, i could answer the calls there and say yes, sir, i’ll go now, i’ll wake up radisson, the joy of the approach, i already communicated myself when the order was given for your exit from and from australia er, radis er, everyone proved this order without appeal , did everyone have a choice to leave azovstal or not to surrender or not when this order came , er, first of all, i just want to mark and it is important

that we ask they asked to agree so that we put all the wounded in the background and immediately exchange them for a pair of live russian soldiers, it didn't work out for you, it didn't work out for us, unfortunately, yes , the enemy said because all or some of them, uh, then when it was accepted the decision is like this, that is, the order was issued, and all the same, we gathered as an officer and talked to each other, well, each officer thought for his personnel, of course, not for himself. well, i think that 90% of the officers, if selfishly, did not want to. well, in general, the servicemen did not want to do this, but we understood that we have wounded people who are slowly they die very slowly and it was very oppressive, there are no more medicines. in general, they

rotted, there were none. in other words, the guys even told us that they made ants out of ants and put them on the wounds so that they would eat the dead body. income and cured ear yes, well, i left it a little bad for him, well, it’s normal, here’s the chance, sometimes it’s shorter. well, it’s normal. in general, ah, and uh, then well, the entire officer corps thought about the entire personnel uh. it was very difficult to make a decision despite the fact that such an order came because it was very difficult, but most of it was accepted because of the injury, everyone is responsible for accepting it, and i wo

n’t tell you now. well, it was exactly three days. there was a break between the negotiations . until may 8 there was a break. that is, we won the negotiations together with gur, e.e., from the game of the russian federation , e.e. reidis personally took part in the negotiations , he took a lot of risk then, but he took this step . and i did not manage to refuse him , e.e. they will just take it away and everything is there. he went out. he went out. he went out. he went out to communicate with the operative, but here he was returning with, well, together with the representative of gur, but well, everything was signed without

an escort. once he went out with an apis that is now in turkey as the commander of the advisory council here i am, well , i wanted to leave, but you know, it is very difficult to argue with the commander, sometimes he left. so these negotiations, and uh, we negotiated the conditions of captivity of the geneva convention. how to document it, well, that is, such things interested him. was like a prisoner of honor, let's call it if you can call it that, because we proved with our combat actions there that well, we condemned this and plus there were guarantees there he was of the third e red cross yes yes what was violated because there was no radius when he went out to the negotiations, he returned just at that moment at the risk of losing his life, well

, about what i said, he was ready to die for all his fighters, and with weapons, but well, but to the side in the territory under the control of the enemy himself , yes, yes, he did it well, i wanted him, i'm telling him. well, it's easy to argue with them. well, we talked with radis, er, mykolaya, he says, i say. well, who do you leave older because well, we don't know what will happen to you? well, you understand that they can just pick you up now or kill and it will demoralize everyone, or just take them hostage and say that the boys surrender or we will embrace. well, who do you leave as the commander? he says you, i say. something will happen, i will never give the command. well, there

, er, on the task of the movement, he says so and leaves, but there , returning to the question, are there people in the special services, er, honest officers of honor, yes, there are officers of honor and things in the game, he came back and he agreed here are those first days that were normal when the cargo was still driving ours captivity, so to speak. oh, it's thanks to radisson , for the most part, thanks to the fact that he took such a step, and when we were not interrogated, i was admired. the decision and what he did. well, in short, raidis is a very

respectable person, and among the officers, he plays the russian track because he is big, he is big, you signed some papers that prohibit you from participating in the war, i don't know who from our er i i will tell you that it was discussed. and it was discussed even by radisson with the representative of the game , and then they told us that no, you can participate .