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viewers in on the air of the espresso tv channel, the studio program will analyze the most important events of the security, diplomatic and military front, our guests will be generayev, the former head of the national security committee of kazakhstan, and we will the iconic political scientist who is in washington andriy piankovsky, well, now on the espresso tv channel, general elmur musaev, former head of the national security committee of kazakhstan, former adviser to the president of kazakhstan on national security issues. glory to ukraine, mr. generals. i welcome you to the studio of the espresso tv channel. we understand that putin has moved to strategy of a long war and he uses for this massive missile strikes and massive raids of iranian drones in order to destroy our civilian infrastructure then

began to use barbaric nazi tactics after two important summits in samarkand and in astana, central asia - this was a serious international event of the central asian republics with russia, and turkey's participation in these events should be taken very seriously in our region first of all, it should be noted that putin tried his best not to touch on the topic of ukraine at all three events. this is primarily due to the fact that he perfectly understood any attempts to involve the central asian states in their aggressive war, they would once again receive a

negative assessment from the central asian leaders of the president, that is why he tried to avoid this topic, first of all, erdogan could not avoid this topic, he definitely touched on it. you know the relationship erdoğan to the problems of this war . plan in this process literally today he spoke with zelenskyi on this body continues to persuade but o-o the position of ukraine is clear to all of us in central asia er-er having already er-er rather serious successes on the front and

diplomatic khana and er-e economy er- ukraine endures, so this is a very difficult period of war and the help of western states is definitely influencing here , therefore, the positions of ukraine are unambiguous and in my opinion they are supported by all the leaders of the central asian states, that is why they chose probably attention, even one of the most loyal to putin, what about the leaders of the central asian state of tajikistan, rahman, and mamalyrohman, and so he made such an emotional speech , uh, on this, himself, where he expressed certain claims to the attitude of the russians in russia, the leadership of russia, first of all, so fat to national

minorities and this is generally a-a-e-e such a negative attitude and this generally extends to all central asian republics, and here it should be clearly noted that on this first of all, the leadership of kazakhstan a-a has already put er-e ukraine, what if it so directly says on er-a that level er-e at which it should be maximum - this is no means a geopolitical er-e center for the central asian states this is an equal partner as our president stated, this is an equal partner who must participate on equal terms in those economic and political processes that still exist in our

region, and no more, and this was evident from the behavior of putin himself, he kept himself there enough in such high-ranking roles, even during the emotional performance of emalerahmon, he uh. in addition to nodding his head and uh, although he strongly disliked such a performance , he was forced to nod and agree. dear mr. generaly musaev, how seriously can iran enter russia's war against ukraine, and in general, in your opinion, what does iran represent in the military aspect, and here we were last time talking when the process was just starting of supplies to iran, eh, they only promised to supply firewood, these are the ones i then predicted that it was unlikely to come true

, and i was deeply mistaken, and why because, well, it’s just not in what eh, not in the global, not in the economic, not military-political eh interests don't come into play early on , and that's fine. putin is going crazy there. the program of negotiations was the west and it seemed to me that, well, in any case, russia will not go to such savagery in terms of the rate of military armament, but it turned out that they are standing next to each other, that putin, that’s what i was waiting for, and it’s not for nothing that these are the most difficult strike processes in iran

, eh, people it's just that he really sees that oh-oh, the iranian government, the power of the government, it really lost all the shores, and that's why there are big problems. let's not have a problem. such a situation has developed. we found two geese, each other, as they say, and they will interact with each other. e for sure, russia is making some deliveries there, too , and it is possible that its weapons are being talked about, that they will supply their military planes, then fighters well, that’s it. conversations, so it is very difficult to predict this situation when

leaders of such a level lose their shores and, contrary to all the interests of the state, the interests of the people, and above all, the interests of the personal leadership of the party, putin is already acting essentially against uh, it's the same thing, and i'm folding the chairs under uh, that's why i think that they will definitely continue this cooperation, but uh, i'm sure that uh, ukraine, with hey, the partners will find a very clear countermeasure to this, not in october, yes, already in november with these drones with these possible deliveries of er iranian missiles er they will find a countermeasure dear mr. generaly you very rightly noted

the limits or framework, so to speak, within which the roads will move there are really no shores and the key question is whether he will he dare to use tactical nuclear weapons , will he take unconventional steps, will russian generals do it, will they listen to putin, and in general, how much can the current russian defeat on the battlefield affect such a decision by putin? конечно может быть панцами имеать имеать от это, это это мереать, the threat of a tactical nuclear strike, most likely on ukraine, if in the plans of the pre-war years, in the plans of the eh, all these issues were worked out in the russian plans оны сейчас представитьют какое-то

вечерный чертания всё есть so let's look at the more complicated situation, first of all for russia itself . i would first of all like to note literally yesterday 's statement from toltenberg that nato is no longer afraid of these threats if at the very beginning in february e- uh, and in march, uh, uh, in the western circles, and in the guide, there was a certain one from fuk, that if there were certain outbreaks, then by now the situation has changed, it is simply felt that the usa and, uh, all of nato, in principle, found a solution just in case, here of this crazy action of putin on a tactical nuclear strike, the american leadership and nato have stated a lot that in the

event of such a strike, first of all, with the help of conference weapons, the black sea fleet of russia will be destroyed, which means that everything will be destroyed on dangerous military objects on the territory of russia, this is, on the one hand, it cools the hot hot head in russia, the general, first of all, they perfectly understand what it threatens. this is one side, the second side in case of an attack. such a definite threat is preserved, unfortunately, unfortunately, because we agreed, anton, that a real person lost his shores, oh, oh, i think already at the present time,

nato, together with the leadership of ukraine, are preparing to repel such a -е attacks е-е and we see that in eastern europe there are 23 in total and here are these baltic states poland romania е-е including actively preparing for well if ego so directly speaks to three game war actually exists because in in the case of such behavior of russia realistically, nato and the usa will strike all military facilities of the russian federation, and this will finally destroy the entire

military -technical potential of russia. will really lead to the third world war dear mr. generaly, i would like you to analyze the situation in the russian military leadership, in particular, it is about the appointment of general surovikin, we all watched his last interviews, he boasts of his intelligence he cannot from the second one because he demonstrates full dedication and readiness to carry out russian military criminal orders, well, there would be no single individual that's what i would say well, only for alkaline today, more eh, no one

can be singled out in this particular war. the theater of actions conducted by er russia is another general who executes er strictly changes directly from er documents all the instructions received from the political leadership of the country and he will act like this if um this is a particularly cruel action against a civilian the population that is attributed to er is trying to attribute to raw material, and my view is that this is all the action

of putin himself, here is er, any surawakingly, er, ivanov petrov, anyone will essentially conduct himself as the generals of the russian army conduct everything now therefore, i would not single out this last name, although for some reason the russian press, even the ukrainian press, singles him out as the great one and the most cruel leader of the syrian operation, yes, the syrian dreams call him surlykin, he would be second to some serdyukov, he would also be a butcher, but they all went through this cruel school, which was determined by the political leadership of russia.

the low intelligence of intellectually developed people who are serious about military strategy there today. no, the kharkov situation also showed this. the kharkov operation will lose there and what is happening today on the kherson front on the donetsk front, this all indicates that the military leadership and plans military-political plans russians, they leave a wish for the best for the russian side, of course. and here, ukraine is active. the armed forces of ukraine are actively using these gaps. such is the lack of independence of the russian military leadership . armies that's how i would rate the action. well , what about you in russian politics in the russian armed forces

? they consider terevykin to be their own, and it is completely impossible for there to be any confidential negotiations between these people. there are hawks, there are those who believe that it is necessary to conduct the war in a different way, this is the situation, it will finally force the military political conglomerate of russia to gradually collapse into certain parts, therefore, today, so far, it is

possible to say that such a situation is winning this is the kodyrovskaya group of the prigozhyns, but in my opinion there are enough other people who understand that the end comes for the entire top, and therefore everyone tries to escape as best they can. will win something somewhere and then seize power in the country in russia e-e the others clearly have other interests, a group of generals who are extremely disinterested in e-e strengthening the power of e-e prigozhina kadyrov and other hawks e- first of all, the fsb, we understand that the fsb immediately, if such a hawk gets into the eye, the fsb will lose a lot of money, but the fsb is inferior

to the existing economy, military structure , industry, energy, and leadership. everything is in their hands today, and it can they will buy therefore er, razdrayv and shatanie will continue. yes, this is extremely important and an interesting moment, and how can the fsb play in the current situation. perhaps, in advance, in order to, for example, somewhat monitor the appetites and influences of prigozhin, kadyrov , surovykin, and so on, the gerasimov direction, they have such a general and the potential and the courage so that in order to act we understand our time and the baker has completed more than one tenure of russian leaders who have the top

today i am not talking about those fields liberally the politicians who are in the mood in russia in the government once they are on the sidelines in this fight. the most important thing today is to note that in the eyes of the same putin , the entire group wanted to use a rude word to say that you were doing yes. who controlled the situation in ukraine at the time, it turned out that they control everything in the eyes of the same putin, who is

the single decision-making center for today. for now , they are all in such a situation that they have suffered a certain defeat in his eyes and in this situation, everyone is trying, every group is trying to pull putin to their side. while we see that he is determined, taking into account the fact that he has lost, there is no direct control and planning of the entire political and military process, we see that the wobbly volume of mobilization, the declaration of martial law , that’s what he’s all about, first of all , he’s not the first leader. they are not as confused

as the previous ones and are trying to find a way out of this situation. everything, eh, from the side, we understand very well that there is no way out, and that's why anyone, uh, anyone , they give him a straw. well, the groups are supported by them. er, they pushed the fight against migration processes , we are grasping for something there in the economy, er, in finance, er, they are pushing, this is their bank and the ministry of finance, too, he is grabbing for everything , but no one today, not one group can offer him a normal way out from this er lost military-political situation, so i don’t know, of course, about the snuff box, it’s very difficult to

reason, and i know how it all happens upstairs and when all the people around are recognized er, not that they are not decisive, but that they are absolutely not able to making sharp decisions, everyone always looks up to the leader, it is very unlikely that there will be such a decisive step, er, as the arrestees talked about something similar. a collision, a sharper collision between the group, there is someone, someone is really a snuffbox, a criminal, and that's when a more serious struggle will begin, in which putin will be drawn personally, er, physical struggle exists at the very top, when it is precisely the

anti-combatant around putin and the group will face precisely physical confrontations, someone will poison someone, someone will shoot someone and everything will start very seriously, this is the option, i fully predict that very serious changes will begin with the top leadership of the russian federation. how do you think it will be possible to wait for certain processes when the kremlin will seriously make a decision about the need to curtail the intervention and in what form it would be putin offers on such absolutely unacceptable conditions, and he understands that in the case of a peace agreement and the

withdrawal of troops, how is it normally civilized to lay the vyodovolsk from the territory of ukraine, that’s the end of power, the end of life, clearly , that’s why he should go to such a place peace treaty putin cannot and that is why he hides in it all the brutal things that, in his opinion , can lead to peaceful agreements on his terms. well, this is already impossible and understanding if he does not have a personal feeling that he has what it is. it won't work. but the environment that you just talked about is definitely looking for options there. there are a lot of people there, starting with that beggar and uh, many people who are better or uh, uh, russia is concerned. they are looking for an option to come to an

agreement and get out of this situation. well, today it is impossible , not the west, but above all, not ukraine. it will not make any deals with this aggressor . whether at all the entire civilized world will be the most terrible political blow, which will affect the perception of the entire population of

the world . er, the hungarian leader saw the situation with trump as ambiguous, from democratic views, er, from absolutely anti-democratic views, and here are these things in france, here are these many party figures are a glass to such things, corruption is the worst in the west, that's all it is in the case of certain agreements on the conditions of russia, it will suffer an even bigger civilizational defeat, in my opinion, it will be the worst. after all, i'm sure that in the west, in ukraine, they understand this very well. - it was possible to go to a meeting with russia on some issues, well, from the sidelines, they are watching, something will be conceded if they , uh, had limits to their cruelty and

limits to their appetites, or at least had the power to do so for the forces to impose their policies, their worldview, their russian peace, but as soon as russia does not have the western peace, it is simply obliged to help ukraine win this war. it is a great pity that i have to end our conversation with another . i would like to remind viewers of the espresso anaheim tv channel that general alnur musayev, the former head of the national security committee of kazakhstan, the former national security adviser to the president of the republic of kazakhstan, worked for them. of the espresso tv channel - a prominent political scientist who is