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you want to understand how our today will affect ours tomorrow see the saturday political club that saturdays on espresso this is my country my fields my friends brothers parents children neighbors students doctors teachers soldiers we are all everyone regardless of age beliefs likes convictions we are all united now we will win glory to ukraine good health remains with us again 57 minutes of communication, here we will now have such an international topic, because volodymyrovsky has been the minister of foreign affairs for 7-9 years and is the head of the russian research center, and we will ask him not in the

capacity of the former minister of research quality of russia i have always said that this is lacking and the defeat of russia is that they do not have an institute for the study of ukraine. there is a department at the institute of europe. indeed , specialists work there, more or less, yes, but there are no institutes, as there are no institutes in russia for the study of estonia, kazakhstan, georgia, azerbaijan, moldova, i suspect that even belarus, why study them when you should study us, the russians say, not us, you? and now they have problems. do we already have volodymyr ogryzka, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine and the head of the russian research center ? i will answer the question let's go then let me answer the apparatus on please many

descendants of ukrainians evicted to siberia uh currently live in russia don't you think that they have the hostage syndrome chitoholm syndromes now make up the russophobic core of russia in general why ukrainians in the russian federation are trying i manage under the local public and not many manage not to lose their identification, writes the teacher, the teacher, if these people went to america , they would migrate under the americans. and if they went to china they migrated to the chinese, and if to africa, then to the africans, any person who moves from point a to point b, some part remains ukrainian, and some part becomes portuguese, poles, italians , americans, and so on and so on, moreover , world experience shows that who adapts faster and becomes a local, therefore it is easier to

survive, i imagine that now in russia you can say that i am ukrainian, but i have a hard time imagining and here he works somewhere in a factory or somewhere in a factory, where in a school, a teacher or anyone, it doesn't matter yes and here he suddenly says, you know, i'm a ukrainian, i love my country, and before that, he lived in russia for 20 years. i don't know how many people will remain ukrainians after 20 years of living in russia, even if we see today that the war is going on and that russia is attacking in ukraine , therefore, it would definitely be a ukrainian in such conditions, it would be great if there were a million of them, i think millions, maybe one, maybe two, maybe three. i don't know , ukrainians in russia rebelled, but they, but they won't rebel, and that's what if well, it seems to me that there is nothing in this as i would call those who are heroes would rise up, i consider those ukrainians who

lived in the crimea and rose up and showed off their yellow and blue colors and so on and so on to be heroes, but it will never be massive, this is just a separate hero that we have a connection there, yes volodymyr hrytsko told me before they are ukrainian affairs 7-9 years old and the head of the russian research center will talk on the phone because today we have some problems. volodymyr would like to hear from you. a photo and they hear well look if you already thank god look at a very important question and we constantly seem to me that maybe i'm wrong, it's desirable for really giving away what i mean i mean that's what it 's like right now it's just going to go all the way russia

will fall apart here it will fall apart here putin will be overthrown, but i do not have such a conviction, convince me either the other way around that i am wrong or those people who say that russia is about to collapse, maybe they are wrong because it seems to me that the army is still strong. yes, there is life. cracks, we see it, we observe it, we root for the north caucasus and for the region and for the countries, in fact, countries that can secede, but so far such visible cracks, i don't see what you say to volodymyr, you see, mykola, the key keyword here is e that's it, you've lived it that some people say that it's here, it's here, you just have to measure and understand what it means for someone, here it is, tomorrow, and for someone, here it is, it's possible

in two years, and for someone, here it is decade, that is, here we have to decide on terms as they say but if we are not talking about specifics and you and i can hardly say what will happen tomorrow or the day after tomorrow after three years and unfortunately, we do not have the ability of grandmother vanga, although it was good, but at least it is forecast to give evaluations based on the analysis of various aspects of russian life, we can. it still seems to me that russia has entered the trajectory of its catastrophe, this does not mean that the catastrophe can happen again tomorrow, but if you analyze all those spheres that are important for any which

the state is a political system - it's the economy - it's the social sphere - it's international relations, we see that today russia has driven itself into a corner from which it, and most likely, i'm very careful about this, it won't work anymore the question here is how to work with all the factors that can either destroy russia or keep it in some form. although i don't think that this form will be the same as today, well, look, let 's go - let's think aloud about those factors that affect russia's ability to develop further the first is economic, so that the russian

economy has not collapsed yet. but russia has become the only country in the world that, as president yushchenko once said, remember, has collected like a bitch, the sanctions that exceeded everything that you can imagine and cannot imagine, and this simply means that the trend is as of today, and if it is projected for, well, maybe even the 23rd year for russia in a bad case, that is, if what is already happening now will continue and intensify, well, it's not, it's not up , it's down, it's out of the market, let's look at it and aspect well, if the ukrainian armed forces er will continue their offensive move and in the coming months of six months they will finally break the backbone of this so-called second army of the world

. what will happen in this same russia, let's look at the uh international uh aspects, well, such uh international isolation as there is today in russia has never happened even during the times of the soviet union, and look at what is being done uh in the social sphere uh well, i'll tell you frankly that i've been studying all these processes for a long time and that's it er, the biggest problem that everyone paid attention to in the last 10 years in russia was the problem of depopulation, that is, look now, in a few weeks, 700,000 er men were skinned in russia, which er, if you add to this what is

happening without relative to this mobilization, this means that russia is simply not in sight, and especially the so-called uh, uh, uh, the slavic part is in quotes , so you understand, mykola. if we are uh, look calmly, analyze, study, you understand where we should submit this process is so hot the process refers to the disintegration of russia can be completely predicted and managed, the only question is whether the wishes of ukraine, the wishes of the west, our successes on the battlefield will converge at one point, uh, with a degree that is now increasing. in russia itself, i mean social protests and so on. if these components unite somewhere in one point, then the explosion can be completely predictable with all the consequences that we cannot even

imagine today, so i would not say that it will happen tomorrow, but if all these factors will work this there will definitely be a minister. see what i wanted to ask. well, the congress ended today. as far as i understand, the congress of the communist party of china is ending. we know that everyone from irpin continued his stay on the mountain in the center of all the events . and we also saw and this is an absolutely amazing appearance , little fujintal, the former eh. that is, the person who stood up for everyone xinbin was taken out of the hall. now everyone is wondering if he got sick or was simply arrested, and considering that in china everything is public, it is so loud, it is an accent, you can't help yourself

to imagine that this is not that it was not thought out before the beginning, at the congresses, that is. in this way, the person sitting next to the future and yesterday's leader will be taken out of the halls, it means that it was somehow organized in advance, what does this mean that the internal fronde is like that, there are problems like that at night what can this mean, mr. volodymyr, i'm sorry, mr. mykola, look, i think that the fronds are chinese , uh, the political culture, well, it's too much, so traditionally, you're either at the head, or you're not there , so i don't think it's uh a sign that there is somewhere inside there are some forces that are already fighting so actively and are forming some really

oppositional front, well, for some reason, i think that such a thing has not yet reached china. the core of the political system and the core of the communist party of china, that is, you can imagine a person, a core well, when i read this information yesterday, i thought, well, what does this core look like, but it is very easy to imagine, you just look at a person and you will see a core in him this is the core will e-e form e line and all others will support this line. that means that an unlimited monarchy has been formed, which will carry out all the decisions of the monarch, well, in this case, the head of the chinese company, everything

else just disappears by itself, so you know the fronds there. well, i don’t know, especially what if you and you certainly saw these shots eh khuzintau yes something else and eh leaned over and said eh everyone and he also kind of even patted him on the shoulder maybe the person felt not very well not very well it became bad after all, well, the age is not youthful therefore, without this situation, i would not make any far-reaching conclusions, but the results of the congress are obvious to me, that is, there is an officially formed management system, which is called the communist dictatorship, that is,

another well, i couldn't find another definition , so we'll take this into account in our practical matters. it's possible, on the one hand, he's not very good. and on the other hand, it's clear that then there is that person really makes all decisions. therefore , it is necessary to act accordingly in order for this the solutions were, let's say, so beneficial for our country. well, as always, there are pluses and minuses. yes, i would also like to comment on this because you found the word core, and in such cases i always say when the russians say multipolar peace, i say two poles where there are many poles no there are physicists, they would laugh a lot if they said there is benevolence. that's why it's also interesting. in general, all authoritarian regimes come up with some

new words, but i would like to talk about iran at the end. already in mind such anti-steblyshmy events, everyone was convinced that for a week, they run around, set fire to something and shut up , now we see that it has been going on for almost a month and nothing has subsided, how much internal internal factors can affect external er external the politics of the government of iran, and it should also be added that khomeini is sick and yes, that is, not everything is in order in the iranian and persian principality kingdoms, yes, mykola, this is true, and for some reason i remember my youth, when in the year 79, eh fell

monarchy and it was also the result of internal strong disturbances er. therefore, er, now er, here is the iranian regime. it is in a very difficult situation because, on the one hand, it is under pressure from the public. well, you know, i have a bad idea how to kill er a schoolgirl because she wore a hijab the wrong way, but this is, well, this is medieval barbarism, nothing more. well, after all, people live there in the 21st century, i am not, not in the 16th or 15th- that's why this social protest movement is obvious, and i think it will only gain momentum to gather momentum well, plus, let's not forget that because of this cooperation of iran with russia in the

fight against ukraine , a new wave of sanctions is also forming against him, and i think they will be very, very painful for him , what exactly did iran start to sell these martyrs well, because he needs money badly. if now iran will be imposed again with real sanctions, then again, a combination of internal and external factors can write the reason for a very fast, uh, fast change of the regime, so eh, everything can be very similar here you quickly know, mykola, the tragedy of all totalitarian regimes is that they seem to be strong and then fall apart like cards from a small house in a few days or months at the most . russia, about china, about iran, but now i will talk about ukraine, we thanked mr. volodymyr and we move on to vadim valko, a

lawyer at the anti-corruption center, and just in time. good health, mr. vadim. thank you for finding time for us. can you hear us okay? look, it means literally a few days ago, the day before yesterday, or three days, four days ago. well, in the past week, volodymyr zelenskyi introduced into the decision of the national security and defense council to impose sanctions on 250 businessmen of 1,500 companies - 4,000 propagandists, collaborators and companies related to them. in short, there is the imposition of sanctions. and what did we impose sanctions on them? the first question is if we are talking about 250 businessmen, there is probably a list. and if we are talking about one and a half thousand companies, is this list, we know what the ownership scheme is in that

list, does it belong 100% to a collaborator who can be taken away. if taken away, how to take it away, or through a court or through a decision of the nsdc, e-e. in short, this whole technology is interesting to me. i think the audience is also really happy about our security, uh, it put the sun back on september 30, then it was said there in one source, one and a half thousand others said three and a half thousand. now we see that this decision has been put into effect by decree of the president, all the names of the oligarchs , propagandists, collaborators, and also all the names of the companies, they are in this decision, the only nuance of the nsdc and the president impose a sanction in the form of blocking such an asset, and directly confiscation, that is, the recovery of the asset and its transfer

into state ownership, this is already the parish of the ministry of justice e-e which should file lawsuits e in the higher anti-corruption court and already the higher anti-corruption court makes a decision on the recovery of such assets , i.e. now e-e are responsible for e in essence that seized property will be confiscated by ukrainians, emphasizes russian oligarchs, it is responsible minister of justice denys moluska and the tight lock of ms. mudra okay, for example, the ministry of justice will win all cases and court decisions, that is, they will win in their court disputes there, and the court says yes , there are really reasons to do this now, no x belongs to rotinberg and it belongs to ukraine, the state of ukraine, i understand correctly and everything is correct. well, this is an abstraction, the state of ukraine, who specifically, who

will manage this plant, i don't know the school, i don't i know if there are such private schools and so on and so on, well, this is basically defined in the law on sanctions after when there is a court decision, a court decision that passed the first appeal station. that is , it became legally binding after that, such a court decision will be dealt with by the cabinet of ministers and the cabinet of ministers is the only body in the country that determines the manager of such property, that is, the owner is the state of ukraine, the manager of such property can be determined there, it can be arma, it is our agency for the management of the management of seized assets, it is it can be the state property fund or any other state body, enterprise, institution that has the competence to manage such property, for example, we have information in the mass media that such a russian oligarch in the babakh group of voivods ginner owns five oblenergos in ukraine. critical infrastructure, especially in

recent events, and it is obvious that such property cannot be properly managed there by itself, but we have the same state oblenergo, which is competent to manage such enterprises, in any case, the first step now is lawsuits from the ministry of justice, without this, well, there will be no confiscation sanctions. there are people like that. i don’t know. you can call them crisis managers, maybe even somehow, if today i were invited to some television to manage everything for me it took one day, two, three weeks, well, it depends . yes, to understand what is happening there, who works for me, how, do we have equipment, do i have premises, what do i need to invest, what do i have to enter taxes, that is, it is a whole bunch of problems, we have the following

people who can overcome this group, well, if only they could overcome these problems. if you are talking about oblenergo, i understand that there are neighboring oblenergos where ukrainian state companies really work , and you need to understand that sanctions, confiscation of property in

ukraine, is the first step to confiscation of property that exists in europe and in the west, and precisely for this we must start first in order to have arguments for other countries and say look, we have already started this process, we have already established such and such oligarchs and such property . you start because we need these resources both for victory and for reconstruction, but the first let's start after all, this is a good interpretation here i now understand thank you and the last one may be a question or several questions depends on the answers and here you say we always use the word assets but during the war it is liabilities it is not assets it is very often when i have, well, let's go back to oblenergo, if we take it as an example. when there is peace , i have a wonderful life. i have oblenergo. i sell energy and they pay me money and i fill my

pockets and everything is fine. and now oblenergo has arrived, i have to withdraw my money and pay so that these networks still work and therefore these assets turn into liabilities and if i have people working there i continue to pay them money and they are already remotely somewhere well, in short, you understand very very assets can turn into liabilities during war and then these liabilities then can't these rotenbergs are satisfied, it's easier for a woman with a cart, a mare, i'm sorry, ladies , and everything is fine, the beautiful ukrainians helped me, i thought i would pay for everything and now they will pay, thank you, well, in fact, it's not like that in most cases, because when we say assets, it's there are some specific companies, specific times in the authorized capital, for example, a bank, yes, for

today, well, there is a well-known bank such as alfa, which is owned by the russian oligarch fridny , and it cannot be a liability, in principle, it is a profitable bank that is included in a certain top a certain number of banks of ukraine and brings profits if we are talking about such trademarks as morshynsk myrhorodsk - this is an asset well and even all of them there at which we now have it in any case an asset if we are talking about a shopping and entertainment center one of the largest in kyiv, ocean plaza, which, according to the media, belongs to mr. rotenberg, a regional friend of putin, who built the crimean bridge, the so-called