we in the kherson region lost 17 populated points 17 populated points are frankly alarming and this is politely expressed on the one hand they began to openly call for the genocide of ukrainians for two to five weeks in order to completely remove the entire infrastructure, all the chp test, gres, all the traction substations and the city kiev a week after the lack of electricity, it flows, bermaya changes the expression, and on the other hand, they began to demonstratively look for the guilty in russia, thereby nullifying the social demand for justice. he is a rich country. we even

ukraine turns out to be invisible, and in general, from being married, from being baptized. this suggests that they are already waiting for a new tsar . they are waiting for the next one. whom will they serve if tomorrow they are given the command to wet putin ? they will indeed engage in information murder in the same way regarding putin . are the first on the list and we can and have every reason to classify such crimes, and here we are talking about crimes as crimes against humanity, since such crimes are about the commission of violent actions and even acts of genocide, so it is likely that we will see

organists on the dock and similar precedents in ireland, radio 1000 hills e.e. by the editors of journalists who were engaged in propaganda, military trials of criminals because it was proven that where the radio was pulling people killed e.e. hundreds of times more than where the radio did not pull the evidence base, and everyone can contribute to this, the evidence will justify the russian aggression, as well as the publication on social networks e-e in other e-e mass media for putin's posipak is threatened with 10 years to life imprisonment and the prospect of creating a new tribunal for them is just around the corner; secondly, we conduct

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marathon continues only news on the air intera information service and program accent my name is oleksii fadeev i welcome narratives this term began to be widely heard in the media space relatively recently, although in fact what it means as old as humanity is a story or a narrative they have been with man since ancient times, by the way, according to the omissions of some researchers or philosophers, they formed man as such with the help of various stories throughout their history, people describe the world, explain it, sell knowledge, spread ideas, religious, ethical, even scientific, in the last half century, with the development of the media, and especially with the advent of the internet, various narratives began to spread globally and the fastest in the history of mankind, in its history, they are spread by people as companies, brands and states and more the situation in the modern world is now described by some researchers as the battle of strategic narratives what can we say about the real war

special information and psychological operations the media, the so-called ipso, have become an integral part of real military operations; the hybrid war waged against us by the russian federation provides many examples of such activities; why the battle of narratives became a reality; why social media began to play an important role even in geopolitics; what is virtual war and how not to become its victim to counter ukrainian narratives and generate our own and what stories about ukraine should we broadcast to the enemy and the world for our victory well, after that, of course, we will try to find answers to all questions today with our interlocutors this is maksym yakovlev , head of the department of international relations, director of the school of political analysis of the kyiv-mohyla academy. greetings and boris chichinghausen, a

political technologist, an expert in reputation management. the name walter fischer, who somewhere between 84-95 divided two, as he called it, paradigms into the paradigm of narratives, i.e. stories, and the paradigm of rationality, i.e. rational, he existed separated the meritorious one, and some scientists today and popular scientists, of course, i am not such an economic scientist as to read some sad and boring works like me, and i read popular literature, but popular scientific literature very often compares a person with an animal that knows how to tell stories, for example, yuvalnoy harari is popular now among historians and philosophers, he generally believes that narratives , that is, the ability to tell, made people,

that is, not quite people at that time, but modern people, what happened, this is the first question for you, gentlemen, what did it happen in our entire history? we never reached rationality and remained narrative beings. well, i wouldn't say that harari invented it. by the way, do you remember the story ? years, and really harari is just an example of how it is possible to convey a certain knowledge of information through responsible stories. i will then go to the point that i do not think that rational can be rationally bred, so when harari was in kyiv, i had the opportunity to reason with him several events, one of the ones that i liked the most is the debate or discussion between horari and steven pinker, er, i moderated it live, you can watch it in the recording, because the two of them unfold two fairly large metanarratives , it is the ideas of non-narratives that lyotard came up with, it is generally

french school and, in principle, we advised that the term postmodern replaces the concept of narrative for us, and it is even more about the plot. yes, that is the dominance of plots in human history. because what a person does not love is that a person is irrational and so on, the best thing you can read about this is kahneman's fast and slow thinking in modest translations in ukrainian yes, i've all seen it i translated the ukrainian language i read it with great pleasure oh thank you thank you yes, because he just unfolds and explains it as an economy - as a psychologist who received the nobel prize in economics, how do we understand that a person is not completely rational, so we are now facing what kind of battles are eh and this is what any scientific sam faces yes, what are the narratives that seem to pass it off as rational, and are in fact a simplified explanation of reality, which realities here have, well, the remote nature of this, there is a lot of social humanities here, the other day i had a discussion with colleagues, for example. well, the classics why in some

traditions, especially realistic religions there, humanism, islam, you can’t eat pork or pork spoils there, the sun is hot, yes, this is completely irrational, because the evidence shows that the pessimistic tribes ate what bones are found there, and the transition from pork is possible, is it possible at all rationally, this is a ban and it is not a belt of such primitive explanations like well, i don't know there or some legends yes, what did the aborigines eat? yes , how did they eat? an explanation in order for scientists to explain what happened to the dome, it is necessary to explain this story in order to explain how agriculture changed in the middle east, it is necessary to tell another complex and narrative story in order to explain to the russians why do ukrainians not seem to be easier to say yes, you are a neo-nazi in the same way americans, er, we are now choristers. as if everything becomes clear for a second, because you and i are behind the scenes, so to speak, before we start recording

and our conversation. it's simply impossible, but there have always been plots, and humanity has always exchanged plots. the question is , well, let's continue the conversation. and about what plots ukraine can fit into, what own plots to offer in order for our narratives to be heard. but first, i'm just for these out of respect for the pussher, i want to say that sometimes it is pseudo-rationality that affects us, we use some kind of plot explanations about pork, i don’t know. so what happened to the kooks. what is happening in ukraine and it is supposedly rational explains where it is forbidden, but in fact, boris, you are a political technologist . that is, you are constantly faced with regulations work as a specialist and what is yours well, what is your view on this problem on the problem of modern narratives and the problem of the war of narratives about which i have already said the war on the rationalist in general, look what an interesting thing

this is what happens even if we look at the evolution of social networks. this is how it happened before our eyes, that is, at first there were blog platforms, yes, all these lj blockspots against where the long text of a person read, discussed, left comments , social se facebook picture description that's the same as there is a book of descriptions that you need to delve into agree disagree leave your reaction further instagram well, i'm sorry, i'm skipping that now some views, this is already factual audiovisual content with a very short description and some action of the text decreases. misha of audiovisual content increases, the situation increases, tiktok is the purest audiovisual contact, everything is there, there is even a description in one or two lines, and there is enough space for hashtags, that is, a social networks, they

evolve for us, for our needs, they definitely create a certain demand there. we somehow forgot to understand critical thinking. we don't want to think critically because it is necessary to put in enough effort to take information, friends. you are a controller, yes, take information from different sources, analyze, draw your own conclusion, agree, disagree, listen to ligers. it 's a long process for me, it's easier for us, and on the map, i'm going to take a long time to get to that. why, for example , do the russians believe that ukraine was going to attack them? we remove some kind of political propagandist pump-up and say, look, russians, there is no war here, and it didn’t start, we say, russians, look, here is small ukraine, a non-nuclear state, and here is a huge nuclear russia, with mobilization potential, missiles and everything else, look, do you

believe that now, here this country will attack here and in the second there is no war and other conditions, he says that there can be no such thing, they are not suicides and why they now believe it is because the russian propaganda is so straightforward let's say that all 10 basic elements of military propaganda are built, they mix them constantly and er pump this russian. well, plus there are also many psychological aspects, that is, a person who was told all his life that he lived in a great empire that bent the whole europe, in general, everyone helped everyone, only one won the war, and in general, it is mega-powerful, better than everyone, space flies standard rockets, the imperial narrative, yes, the plot, we helped everyone, which they borrowed from whom, from the soviet union, of course, that is, strongly they haven't changed, the methodology has not changed, that's why at the end of the program, i think we 'll find the answer why does a russian believe absolutely

illogical things, and by the way, to these same narratives, this is a phenomenon, eh, you're more interested in what we should tell about ourselves and what are the plots, as mr. correctly said maxim, what kind of narrative history do you understand in general? well, you absolutely understand that it is a figure of speech, a figure of speech , nothing more, but look at it in the report, and this report was for the world economic forum, the truth is from the 16th year, even before our war. i just endured a few very short ones. i will read these theses. the battle of narratives has become a cornerstone of international politics. social media is a powerful tool of this battle. the intermediate goal of such companies is the formation of perceptions . this is the main situation, social media are amplifiers of ideas, creating meanings, generators of conflicts, and

so on, military operations in social networks have become an integral part of military operations in the field well, that is, large-scale, what to do with all this now from a scientific point of view, from the point of view of a technologist who works with politicians and with politics , what is the demo in which world are we, are we in reality or virtuality or i, i do not know who is fighting against us, who is directed against us er, what do we need to press, i don't know, which nodes to influence in order to win this war well, let's start with a simplified version of the technological technology yes and where are we located yes er informational psychological operations that is, i i will say more, but here are these narratives that are pumped up and spread in social networks, they do not just form some kind of

worldview or point of view, they also call to action appear periodically. they gather and er and people leave early, for example er in the same street, we remember the arab spring, which was also going to go out through the internet and take a seagull there warm things that is, these are all the things means how it all works we studied, so to speak let's say directly for different politicians, we created and solved different tasks through social networks, and when we needed to form, well, let's say a few people who acted without themselves like people but were not people bots yes, we studied the life cycle, it was like that, he should be different there from a person who, for example, did not count him out on facebook and did not block him. well, there are many different points that, for example, he does not put geotags in restaurants, but we learned this day. by and large, the

fight against bots has only begun recently you have a colossal number of these accounts, they are exclusively created in order to cause you fear, anxiety, sympathy, lack of understanding , something else. well, that is huge. armies of people automate these processes and they work . you can. these are not real accounts , well, here's how to create a simple, understandable infocomm around you. that's why i call it how to start influencing you, that is, these people are added to your friends and then they begin to interact with you like, write, comment, the algorithm is built so that those with whom you interact more are shown to you more if from different sides suddenly one of your friends, conditionally from the second, from the third, you begin to see information similar to the one submitted from different angles, then this is how you behave работать тыотя а-а вы now you are talking about a

specific iron technology, literally, yes, as you correctly said, it is the creation of an information cocoon around a person and the creation in a person, accordingly, of causing certain emotions in a person, well, or there habits or circumstances but did those present in that cocoon tell stories or plots as mr. maksym correctly said and if so, why do they serve, what do they do, why are they there unconditionally, each such company has a purpose under its aim, so or otherwise, to form your point of view on a specific question be a choice politician or political movement or unpleasant yes not dislike action active power or something else or will make you fall in love i don’t know drink beer or water well that is if we are talking about business eh yes everywhere you won't understand these stories without history, well, that is, i'm

not going to the bottom of the task you want without history, somewhere there is a basic story, and then they break it down into fragments from different sides. a tray of food for you, a specific narrative will affect you, for example, this is one of the methods of military propaganda, sociological polls are coming out that 80% of russians support the war or a special operation , as they call it. yes, you have not seen who is measuring, how are these numbers being measured , but in principle it already affects you that you are already in the minority and probably you are somehow not the same and you think like other people. that is, you observe all this in this way. by the way, gentlemen, it is very rare the case at our table at the same time, a political technologist and a scientist

thought that it should be used, what do you think, you are listening to all this where are we from the point of view of philosophy, where did you fall for those, believe that what we will create around us is reality and correctly, there are scientific terms for all this what is your term we are now in the world of everything visually and such a researcher who introduced the concept of eyepiece centrism so we live in the center of visual culture until clearly now everything is visual texts are less and uh i always say that in terms of youth you know that it is noticeable that a very young generation in about 20 years old, he does not know how to tell a joke, the skill of telling a joke. that's why many people have been monitoring it for eight years, it's all happening because people can tell themselves what's shown on the meme, we'll get to that, i think so, but they don't know how to talk about it, but that doesn't mean you've stopped selling

stories, they're just embodied forms of stories, they're happening otherwise, this is once again an image through there, visual images are true, but all the same, the narratives of which certain plots are hidden, they extend to what you asked really. they have some specific ones in front of them. let me talk about what was touching yes this is a big problem in ukraine, a political filter that has been in place since the 19th century in galicia and then in ukraine revolutions mean that they oppressed everything and it is easier to go to russia and where is the concept of popular protest against it, well, it is not familiar, as i believe, the social conditions have already been prepared, there must be some basis, it is absolutely correct that political technologies are prepared a foundation that can be superimposed through narratives on which certain information can be superimposed. it is very clear how russian propaganda works in europe, they are very specific to each country, apply different forms of narrative, lead several examples of communication here, you really need to check the information, but examples

of what, well, clearly for some there civilized austrians can be blamed for the fact that , okay, russia is to blame, but the ukrainians, too, are not quite europeans at all, and a little bit like this form of savages, so why are we on the side of the dutch? it can be said that the more we give weapons, the more we die with blood on our hands, because the war is going on. yes, because they agreed so for the scandinavians, depending on what they gave. it is difficult to explain that a small country can oppose large ones. finland has its own experience. yes, finnish neutrality is enough. the swedish one is very different, because in sweden you can tell that russia cannot be defeated, but it is difficult to tell the finns, that's why it is russian to finland. propaganda is looking for other niches for these things, that's why it works as they are an intermediate pizza, we break through a certain reality, which is formed by the plots, and unfortunately, this is a big problem that it is not always a fact that the checkin and the debacle helps ilyu so that a person struggling with money does not always remove this chaff from his eyes. well, just like you in ukraine, those who were pro- ukrainian, determined to invade, fought against

political muscophilism, convinced that russia should be friends - it's good there, but here in us, the americans are introducing something else. well, it was useless, it's just banging its head against the wall, that's how politicians st-politicians are pissing people off so good security policy, all the channels began to be cleaned on youtube. i remember there on the air from where the editing is exactly like this. no, everything was cleaned so that no one would remember this political muscovite until the time before the invasion, so if you sum it up like that, the narratives are really written in them wisely the plot sometimes repeats itself because today it is impossible to invent endlessly, so the question here is who are they selling to, that is, who is the target for these narratives that are spreading. from a scientific point of view, i will repeat that countermeasures a person can be offered a different plot and narrative. well, for example, the country is bigger, smaller, and so, where in our country, it is easier to explain, so even if the country is smaller, but better armed and motivated, there is something else, even if the best weapons are like in finland during the winter war in the

next can fight back yes yes then the second is that all empires end badly this is this thesis too too much to convey such somehow it is possible to convey one more which only now in the west has begun to understand that one nation is a big fiction and a myth that can be little by little, it is becoming more difficult to deconstruct it, well, the idea, well, those who support us can be like that, it is clear that ukrainians, russians are excellent, but what is it, well, somehow, at least ordinary people have stopped asking questions, where is this ukraine and is it what is it and who told russia next year yes and in this connection in this connection and what do we need to tell the world and in what way and by the way a-ah come on, did you find some from the point of view of technology e p maxim told everything correctly that it is necessary to prepare and so on yes and что for well then there is a good difference in the amount of money for different european countries, that is, for some reason, it is not only related to the topic there, some politicians

who are financed by russians in white or gray. well, like in italy, for example, or in austria, but also there is also a whole colossal instrumentality, that is , no one has changed political corruption, for example. that is why some european officials from 3 countries, mainly in germany, france and austria , so often end up in the supervisory boards of russian gas companies in such a quantity, we understand that they are doing some kind of service when they retire . by the amount of broadcasting from ukraine, i not only now take uh-uh our military-political leadership, but in general, that is, ukraine - it has become some kind of powerful uh- uh, powerful relay of ideas, because you look at what is happening,

a colossal amount audiovisual content is produced, and a colossal amount of music, songs, and high- quality songs, this is all after the war, there will be a huge amount of films, including that we are creating our own history, because before that we had a history of which parts, let’s be honest, wrote the same uh, the soviet union, then it will take a long time for us to deny this history, because it is absolutely real now that we have people who , for the third month, believed that we bombed ourselves, let's admit, a small percentage, but it was who are still going to cooperate with the russians, and this is also the case, but the russian narrative is now being transformed, and uh, you know what mistake they made, the biggest mistake they made was in their propaganda, they created a colossal gap between reality and reality, remember when they came in for three days kiev is ours so that's all and we'll raise an eyebrow

yes we'll raise an eyebrow and cover everything with nuclear ash that's when they fixed these narratives these stories give a plot yes yes their conditions seem and now when reality has gone even further here are theses, and in some way it is necessary to reduce this reality, why they could not explain the mobilization, because when you talk for a long time , yes, we are simple, we have not started yet, let's start now , and here you are saying that they are asking the day-gular army for mobilization. this is the meaning of the narrative that took place in the head of even an ordinary russian who watches tv. it crashes. yes, yes , how is it? well, not everyone has it, of course. psychological surgery. unfortunately, he carried out shining over the brain of the russians, they do not associate the deterioration of life