it is clear that it hits not only the object of the sanctions, but also very powerfully hits e because of who leads them and even hits third countries that are in no way connected with these sanctions, and this is a response to this economic globalization of the world, but china's imports increased just after the start of sanctions, it's just interesting , you understand that even in such bad conditions, china is still looking for opportunities everywhere, yes . that is, it finds it, yes, and russia is weak - this is just an opportunity for china, so that china i i can say no one so uses relaxation russia is like china because it can now dictate the prices of russia's energy sources. it can influence some decisions of the russian authorities in the sense that the chinese were not allowed there. and now they will go there and that's it . leaders, they exaggerate the possibility of, for example, the influence of china on putin in the sense of ending the war, this is a very big mistake, because in

my opinion, china did not coordinate, we have already said that with russia, when he attacked or did not attack, there was no coordination. russia actually fooled china in one way or another because , uh, china, too, he saw the warning from america, moreover, america officially warned china that according to their data, the attack would begin, and the russians , meanwhile, told the chinese that nothing would happen, that is, in fact, they fooled, that is, the russians fooled the chinese, that is, even though they are the largest closest partners. and i have the opposite point of view of the authoritative historian timati snyder. he believes that the responsibility for the war still lies with china because they still tried to stop russia and china seemed to believe that the war would really last three days and therefore did not want to influence it in any way. you see, i disagree with you, i would reply to the subject of snyder that biden clearly said that the

people and in december of last year said that there would be no american troops on the territory of ukraine and with this, biden actually opened the way to ukraine in russia when russia realized that america would not enter this war, the fact is that there are completely different opinions here, and of course i do not defend china, but i know that china is exactly if you are, we are talking about the position to china, he will continue to adhere to this neutral position, nothing can now shake him in principle in this position, he has no reason to believe that russia and ukraine are weak, they can not move this position so that china somehow changes its position regarding this conflict because he just took a very good neutral position for himself, which gives him all the advantages of being aloof from this conflict. well, on the air of the marathon, we also talked with a chinese expert on chinese issues, he says that china to any

in the case of any development of scenarios in this war, china remains in fact the only way out, the acquirer yes. if ukraine and the united states and our partners win, yes, then it gets an opportunity on a weakened russia and will use their energy resources of the land there and can be developed here. if russia wins, then in china's hands are untied in the matter of solving the taiwan issue, that's why china takes such a neutral position because it is satisfied with this war. began to threaten ukraine with nuclear weapons, so you already understand that after the use of nuclear weapons, no one will have any advantages, and china also warned putin that this is already the final, yes, this is already the finish line. that is, this is already such a limit that he cannot even cross, but still that is, we know that in principle

putin is mostly bluffing, we still do not believe that he will use nuclear weapons. because it will really be the end of not only war, it will be the end of the world, and the chinese clearly understand that there will be no benefits for the acquirers, let's say what is necessary to use, moreover, china has and provided us with guarantees. as you know in ukraine in december 1994 , on the day of the signing of the budapest memorandum, china still joined joined joined but it joined by its own statement it did not sign the budapest memorandum is a statement by the chinese government where china gives us full it is guarantees in case of a threat to nuclear-free ukraine from a nuclear state, this is the first thing, and secondly, there is also , er, there is also er, the resolution of the un security council, which was also signed by russia and china, where there are also guarantees regarding non-nuclear states that will be threatened with the use of nuclear weapons, there are at least

two main documents that ukraine could hold on to. yes, if it wants. now , develop this topic and talk with china. can be and we are talking about it, you understand . if we don't have a message." and zelensky answered this, that is, in principle, such a

dialogue is taking place instead. this is not the dialogue we need. right now, it is really the absence of the ambassador as the main communicator. for example, between governments, yes, that is, you don’t understand. so when even zelensky makes statements to the chinese press or to a chinese audience, for example, does he simply make statements about the chinese, the chinese hear and know everything, but you understand that in the chinese sense, diplomacy is not done through the media, but it is still done through diplomatic channels and if we all want to achieve something with the chinese , we still have to use those channels that are familiar to them, that is, to convey some messages that they will consider there and then react like this how will it be successful because if we just say them and then say that you are against russia or something, then it will never work like that, i will just remind you of one of the last statements of volodymyr zelenskyi regarding china and quote it. now we see that china is taking a balancing position, but i wanted to

i would really like them to help ukraine, although i will say frankly that they do not send weapons to russia , they already help such cautious statements yes yes well, our active diplomatic policy, if we start to implement it, it could change the neutral position of china. well, you are watching. i think you are watching the position of china. still , if we sneak out, the mainland is there. beijing , moscow-kyiv. yes, everything is equal in this triangle. moscow was always closer to beijing. if we add another player in washington, we will make this one square, but i think it will be even worse, because you understand china. in my opinion, china is still in favor , that is, he says . he wants to see an independent policy from kyiv, on the contrary. if we involve a third party, yes , then china will ask questions. is your position consistent with yours? is your position on independence? china

wants to know our independent policy and position, and you should also, and our viewers should understand what all 6 months of war, we are talking with china. putin , despite his close contacts with the infin, never once turned to sisinpin for some help in solving the ukrainian conflict, that's what's important and the chinese also understand it very well that is, if there is no request from putin for their help , then they understand that even if they act as a mediator, even as a cardigan who tries . as you can see, how much to do, in- their efforts may fail, and the chinese would not want to do this, although they would like to risk their image, yes if we want to understand whether ukraine is preparing and supporting ukraine, we need to pay attention to how this war is being covered in china, and i suggest that we talk in a moment about exactly what you want to know

the attitude of ordinary people to the russian-ukrainian war, just look at what is being written about in the chinese media, and what kind of narratives are being promoted in those local media, kateryna kachan is researching, she lived in china for a while, now she is the author of the project, did she carry out monitoring, uh, she researches the narratives, all messages which are being promoted in the chinese media kateryna good night to you, good day, good night kateryna, please tell me what is being written about this war in the chinese media, and what the chinese themselves know and say about it. do you propose to separate what the chinese say and what the official mass media write here, first of all, i will say that in china, since there is a party, in general, and almost all mass media are state-owned, moreover, in china , a firewall works, that is, a program that prohibits the chinese from

visiting a lot of foreign sites in the main news site, how is china promoting so that the chinese do not receive any misinformation about the official position broadcast by the mass media, since the beginning of the war, and even cd , the president of the party in china announced that china supports peace in ukraine, supports state sovereignty, and so on, and that is why there are quite a lot of semi-official narratives that are broadcast in the media, as well as those uttered by chinese high-ranking officials . social networks as well as private mass media , which still exist in china, you know

, since the beginning of the war, there have been a lot of them. of the russian army as well as the seizure of power by the ukrainian army, that is, at the level of users, the perception improved somewhat compared to what it was in february, march-april and even may , mrs. kateryna. russia attacked ukraine and hears its territory. is it presented as this special military operation? everything in china is somehow veiled. in the official media , there are several terms that are used in relation to the war. but the war is still not officially called a war. it’s either a special operation or the ukrainian crisis. what if it

’s enough in general? how do we understand it? it’s quite bad in relation to the perception or the russian-ukrainian conflict. this is the official position and the war does not exist in the official news. in relation to the analytical reviews that appear in the official media, that is, those written directly by the authors , the terms war appear, and the terms war are also partly used in social networks, but here i will add that social networks are also monitored in china unreliable content with which the party does not agree is deleted, and even at the level of words, such mentions as war or calls for the use of some kind of weapon are monitored, therefore, quite often content in social networks calling war a war is the only place where

it can be found recently to meet uh most of it is in the mass media in analytical reviews of authors if you fly to china now and stop an average citizen and ask what you know there about the russian-ukrainian war what will he answer what do you think i think that what i hear from my ex-colleagues who now live in china or even ukrainian acquaintances, first of all, china really knows a lot about the war, ordinary chinese people know and they know much better now that ukraine is a separate state, what are the cities, what is our capital, and so on, because before the war, unfortunately, they simply thought that ukraine was some part of russia, and when they asked where are you from, i said i was from

ukraine, and they told me about then well done. we love him, but right now this situation is real changed. they know that we have a separate president and a separate language and that this is a separate country, but here i still want to point out that because of firegol, i.e. they mainly receive information from local changes and local social networks . they still believe that russia attacked because ukraine wanted to enter the war, that it is taking revenge on the russians for the fact that we organize terrorist attacks on its territory, such as the detonation of the crimean bridge. that's what in general, ukraine is moving away from the usa, but it is keeping pace there i want to destroy russia, that's why the vast majority of

the chinese still perceive us that way. well, that is, just like the russians. what do they tell the russians, you feed the chinese with them? unfortunately, thank you very, very much. official snakes still exist in it three years before the war god signed a contract with a russian media satellite for the exchange of a-a news information and on the quotas of this exchange, of course we do not know the details of this contract about that we know for sure that the supply of news from russia in china it is is quite active, and i can say that fortunately not everything that russia writes, after all, is printed by china, it is probably something that is more or less positive, that is, in this issue china is trying to balance and somehow make its own separate position from the one that is actively promoted russia, but after all, war is not called a war. thank you very much. kateryna

kachan - the author of the chinese monitoring project. the content is a very interesting comment, mr. oleksiy, what should we do with it ? operation to somehow change their heads and change the politics of the party globally, we will not be able to do any well, yes, we can actually, i think that there are methods , first of all, this is an active position, as it was already said, the change in chinese attitudes happened because of our actions at the front, that is, you understand when the chinese always said that the russians are a self- belligerent nation, yes. and now they say, no , they say that. i even see such a program on chinese television. they say that russians are cossacks and ukrainians are cossacks, so they and they always they were afraid of the russian cossacks who destroyed the chinese , for example, at the beginning of the 19th century, and in fact, the

image of a russian cossack is scary for a chinese , for example, and he is afraid of him. and when he sees that the person whom he was afraid of is being destroyed by the ukrainians, yes , they understand the ukrainian cats, it means that these people are stronger which means that one way or another the narratives are actually changing and this is also shown on chinese tv channels and even if we are there is a social network, well, social networks are not the same as here we have facebook there and that's it and there are a few and there are a lot of them, and there are even whole networks dedicated specifically to a more pro-ukrainian position, of course there are tiktoker bloggers. yes, all this is there, but as they correctly said, they can be blocked, that is, if you write at all something that goes against the mainstream, yes, of course you have they will block your world may cause indignation. however, the attention of the authorities is in the authorities, the indignation of this massive pro-russian party, for example, they can throw you there with

everything but it's all the same, i'm saying, i know such social networks where pro-ukrainian positions in china they express themselves quite cautiously but quite openly and gradually yes, this is how the author of the blog said gradually - this is that the subjectivity of ukraine is formed through the further actions of the armed forces of ukraine, but you understand but it is very slow and this is if we are talking about society as well it was correctly said that the official narrative does not change at all, in fact it does not change, as it was at the beginning of the war, and so on shelling of kyiv when he was asked directly at the briefing of the chinese representative of the chinese ministry of foreign affairs how do you comment on the shelling of kyiv and he said i nothing and it was tv he said i don’t know anything i don’t hear that means at some stage this information is blocked even for high officials yes

that is it is not important for them, but there was an important remark that the attack by iranian drones poisoned their teeth, it is not said there, just to talk with you about the cooperation between iran and china, does it really exist microchip factories in china is using american microchips now. they have stopped and there is a version that american microchips were supplied from china and early on . i am not ruling anything out. to be honest, i cannot comment on everything. the fact is that the chinese cooperate with iran. miran was the largest supplier . in principle, we are one of the largest energy suppliers to china, well, before russia or along with russia and saudi arabia there and other countries of the middle east there, and accordingly the chinese are one of the key countries engaged in oil production and gas in iran, that is, they have a very close cooperation, and of course they are also getting closer on the

basis of their anti-americanism and so on, and that is why i believe that i do not know whether these chinese and iranian drones have this elemental base specifically from china, that is, currently well, as you know, even some european partners still demand from ukraine and kyiv authorities to clearly show the stuffing of this drone and show what is there, so that we can show whether it is really there, on what, well, on what basis do we say that it is an iranian drone or maybe they they are delivered not assembled to russia, but already assembled in russia, and that is why she says that these are russian drones , geraniums, and not some kind of horror, well, that is, this can also be and that is why we can show the french their stuffing in russian military equipment and in germany and to other countries, this is exactly the same, and that’s why i say, maybe we don’t know. it was discussed whether it was on the air or not. well, for example, two sides, russian and ukrainian, are fighting with chinese drones

. nobody talks about it, if you know the sevastopol base. a huge drone for $9,000, but no one is saying that china is taking part on the side of ukraine. that is, it is such a war, and now it is a hybrid war when when we simply have a market. even through third countries, these drones or some projectiles can get into the ukrainian russian zone war and there and there really then already appears some there then to decide who is our enemy and who is not and the fact that factories for the manufacture of american microchips on chinese territory have stopped i am studying interesting information that russia began to receive a lot of defective chips from china. that is , it is about 40% of all chips that russia currently receives from china. they turned out to be defective and not working. yes, this is

also interesting. not at large factories that have been stopped, and russia may also buy these fakes from some small companies, and they produce a low-quality product, and now there is a problem, this is the internal consumer of news in in china, ordinary chinese people who little by little are starting to change their opinion and their attitude towards these events, and the term that this is really a war is gradually being introduced, they have influence from within the chinese on e-e in the company of china and can they push the chinese government to some kind of more public e public- changes in public rhetoric in this conflict because the authorities form in- if they see that the people start saying something wrong, they began to correct these narratives because they are advancing drop by drop about the fact that this is still a war, it can only be with a

further compartment, yes, that is, you understand, i will say. maybe our viewers do not know about this, in fact, as soon as the war began back in march, in fact, in march, china officially sent all the news to all universities, even to secondary schools lessons on the correct understanding of the ukrainian-chinese conflict, the ukrainian- russian conflict, and this was an official task set by the party for all universities, for all schools. even small children had to zigzag the e wire, what was there, it was clear what we were fighting against what there is an american pyralism like that. well, that is, communist, of course, but there is a video. i found it on chinese social networks, too, where, for example, the teacher himself sits in front of him with 11 such children, seven years old and 10 years old, and he convinces them in 15 minutes that ukraine is right in this conflict and it was he himself who recorded it on video and you already but this video is so fast too and what

arguments he used well he said he said he said there is a very interesting dialogue so that you don’t say how do you know that russia is good they will say well where from grandmothers from the tv over there. these are the children talking. and he says, and now i will prove to you that it is wrong, and he shows. and who attacked? and who did that? and before that there were only three of the fifteen who still doubted there. they said who said for ukraine, three raised their hands. and all the others raised their hands that they were for russia, and after 15 minutes, that is, he told and that was it . well, that's what the chinese do who think yes they take courage, they are not afraid they can punish after that, that is, he can be fired for this, and everyone is working on this program, what kind of empathy has gone down. and if we take into account that there are many of these chinese students or scientists, they studied in russia, then of course they will tell how they will prepare their lecture they will of course prepare lectures on russian materials in the russian language which they take and which they know

, because these materials are of course more accessible to the chinese audience and this is of course a big problem for us. that is, we have to develop our information presence in the chinese field, russia always does it and has always done it, and there is no harm in the money, you understand, after all, it should be such a purposeful policy of the state to restore diplomatic full-fledged relations and step by step to move in the er for the formation of understanding, yes, this is a refutation of the er as the teacher was explaining to the children, i remembered the history of the explanation of the second world war, when germany attacked the soviet union, and there was only one question: where did the border between germany and the soviet union come from when it was never was and here comes the question of the partition of poland and the not-so-simple role of the soviet union in this war , well, that is, for the chinese, it is that we also have , for example, a very wonderful narrative, which in fact we do not use much, but it is also, that is, the chinese who

were subjected to, for example in the 1930s of aggression by militaristic japan, this narrative is one way or another in their historical subcortical consciousness of the chinese, it somehow overlaps with these events, because there are many parallels, that is, japan, which first seized part of china and then from there began the aggression already under the sauce of imperial ambitions, yes, that is, the chinese never were , that is, they never considered even japan an enemy , yes, that is, japan was always an economic power there that helped, they did not understand what happened to japan, that it decided now to conquer this territory this narrative. sometimes he puts it there in parallel, but in these, like all scientists, such as academic circles. yes, what? look at how china was, that he was a victim. yes, and then receiving a chinese woman. good evening. we are from ukraine vasyl zima's big broadcast my name is taras zima, two hours of air time and my colleagues are with you until 21:00

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