i can advise only as a public figure, as a person who has been involved from the very beginning of this, mr. pavla. well, finally, i would like to clarify, if we are talking, for example, about improving the level of communication with the families of the victims, i just thought that we have i don't know some kind of unified psychological service that could carry out similar communication at the proper level, well, apparently such a service exists, but there is actually communication between the responsible person from the unit where the serviceman died and his the family, it is not happening exactly as it should be and mr.

pavla , literally at the end, what course? on e-e cars, refrigerators if you can say so for transportation in a suitable condition, those of our fallen servicemen e-e how can people join in order to help our fallen heroes return home and be buried, well, swimming first these are local people who saw those events, who witnessed the occupation, who witnessed the hostilities. they can help with their testimony, their testimony, and where they saw the dead

serviceman . it is possible to do and so, you know, to collect money for something, i don’t see any in this , i think that there is enough money here, the main thing was the desire to establish this process, uh, it is adequate , and that’s right there in the humanitarian direction, so that there would be normal communication of all involved parties why thank you mr. pavlo for your work and for participating in the live broadcast of the espresso tv channel pavlo nettyosov and 40 one of the heads of volunteer search groups evacuation 200 4:32 p.m. in the near future we will inform you about the most important thing and with us further contact anton grushetskyi, deputy director of the kyiv international institute of sociology p anton, we congratulate

you glory to ukraine glory well, er, the last survey, i would definitely like to talk about it as the mood of ukrainians is changing. 86% of ukrainians believe that the armed struggle should be continued even if russia does not stop shelling ukrainian cities. the poll was conducted on october 21:23. well, a little earlier, the city reported the same thing what has happened in ukraine since 2013. the negative assessment of the own-up organization's activity decreased five times, the positive assessment increased from 22% to 43 %, and well, let's say it's possible to still connect these surveys and studies with each other, maybe antin will not agree with me on this work let's discuss, anton, yes. well, in fact, if these

things are partially related, they are rather related to the general change of the paradigm in ukraine and public moods in ukraine in 2014, they accelerated to the 22nd year. russia as some part of the worldview coordinate system in ukraine, and now you all are rethinking those questions of history , such as the upa, which were not paid much attention, but now they understand that they were lied to for many decades and the truth is probably ukrainian, and here we see improvement, and on the other hand, we see that, unfortunately, it is not a question of the investigative kind, and in the last few weeks we see this activation with the shelling of ukrainian cities, that is, they did not stop, but became more active and many who spoke again , in ukraine, in the west, there is especially this russia is trying to use this kind of terror to force the population into peace negotiations, so that the population will put pressure on our authorities to hold negotiations, that is why we wrote this question so that i do not

communicate, so that it is not the speculation of experts groundless, some of them claim that the population is tired, some claim that, on the contrary, there are ukrainians, the student will stand until the end. well, they asked the question, got the results, and you probably voiced that 86% believe that even if the shelling continues, it is necessary to continue the armed response, and only 10% believe that on the contrary, it is necessary to immediately proceed to negotiations in order to avoid the shelling of ukrainian cities, and we even made public the data by region, even among those who are now the heroes of the kharkiv and donetsk regions where it is especially hot, 70% believe that despite the shelling of cities and cities, it is necessary to continue to be more armed or an aggressor. i show once again that this kind of terror tactic does not have the opposite effect, that is, the russians expect that this will intimidate us, and it is not more intimidating than the attacks of airplanes neither in the east, nor in kyiv, nor in the south on the contrary, it only reinforces the idea that it is necessary to continue

fighting, because this is a question of our survival. yes, mr. anton, but we are now talking about the current phase of the war, and we understand that the war will be long and the enemy will use extremely civilized methods of killing our civilians , and we don't know how the dynamics will change. i hope you have some visions of your own from the other side. we understand that the enemy is also trying to break the will to resist. this is about our civilian population. a six-month or even a year-long war, god forbid, but we are talking about a much longer period, and in the kremlin there are whole groups of sociologists in particular who use certain data from open and closed sources, monitors or public sentiments and in in your opinion, in ukraine, what can we expect from the enemy now, taking into account the fact that the enemy is trying to monitor the situation with us quite well, although

in fact we understand that they cannot interpret the monitoring data, you know, judging by everything from our enemy, there have been certain uh problems so much in their heads, their very stage of interpretation has become completely wrong because there are certain rumors that in the 14th year, er, russia did not go further and stopped conditionally in crimea and donbas, and the hair project was then canceled in particular thanks to these polls, which showed that even in the 14th year in the south and the east , the absolute majority was against the presence of russia, even more so against joining russia, otherwise the poll in april 14th also showed that although it was a terrible period for ukraine, but not in zaporozhye, not in kherson no, not even in donetsk, luhansk oblasts the majority of the population was against joining russia, now i don't really understand what data the sun of questions looked at by the enemy until february, because the data of all

normal and adequate companies showed that the very picture that ukrainians consider themselves ukrainians that there may be certain internal political strife but in the artificial ukrainians do not want reunification with russia do they consider themselves a part of the russian nation there and this question is open to interpretation therefore, it can only be as it seems to me that the enemy is looking at these given and they see that our will to resist remains. you are right that this is a matter of dynamics. but since the same may, we have been measuring the readiness of ukrainians to compromise in order to end the war, and there is no increase in the readiness of ukrainians to compromise or a stable a high level, depending on the wording of the question, 80-90% believe that there can be no compromises with the aggressor, although it has been several months and this indicator is not increasing, that is, the population is so tired, it is true, but in this matter they are not ready to give in, e.e. russia. i think in the future this will be preserved and the government and the authorities and our western partners

, for whom we are very grateful, will obviously do everything to ensure that all of us there survive the coming months as comfortably as possible in these conditions, but those who sit in the kremlin seem to me to be just yesterday's discussions krasovsky and his other genocidal statements that all russian propagandists have. he just broadcasts the thought that arises in the heads of these kremlin members, the russian authorities and the russian population in response to these data in ukraine, if they see that the ukrainians continue to resist, they are not going to stop, despite the time of year all these losses, as in shevchenko park, the hole was already patched up by the children. they are walking and playing there, er, ukrainians will be impressed. well, in fact, it looks to me personally like some kind of big staging. well, because it is it was necessary to get dirty so that margarita semenyan would appear with them. well, it's just an angel to remind you khrystyna about

the extremely unpleasant situation that took place in the ukrainian information space. so we remember a few months ago, a young man with a ukrainian passport started directly to call for and justify similar atrocities on the air , and for this many people were very ashamed, well, a similar situation happened in ukraine, but as for what could have happened in russia, there could have been a certain staging, so to speak, of something like this. this is what it looks like she simply removed him from work by force. and you know all this. once again, we have such a very human image of the enemy, who is not really a cannibal, the same person as us, we all love children , the truth. well, maybe, maybe this is an insinuation, well, i would like to question mr. anton in general about one more aspect, we understand that they are trying to apply a certain strategy of division in ukraine,

and it is possible that there are some markers that you are now noticing and you see in what way they are trying to manipulate or sub-manipulate our in most cases, healthy public opinion, but what are the dangers and dangerous trends that they will try to implement now, not directly frontal, conventionally speaking, because of some such manipulative they do not work because in may they measured the perception of russian narratives during the invasion and the absolute majority of ukrainians clearly understand that russia is in the mountains and it's not ukraine that provoked russia er also about now we conducted a survey just a month ago about the narratives of the split and they remain approx. i see that ukraine will freeze and the government of ukraine is ready to donate to the people who will have to make a difference, that is, it does not pay attention, but the population also does not believe in it. now in ukraine, there is a sufficiently high consensus and high

trust in the military and political leadership, and that is why they are not leading, this is an attempt to drive a wedge between the military and political leadership, but more than 70% of ukrainians are sure that now both the army command and the political leadership are acting in harmony, on which there is a single team, of course, traditional methods were anti-krinya measures in the east, but this is also not working very well now. because the data that we discussed with you today show that even the residents of the east, who live in especially hot and terrible conditions there, and this also applies to the residents of the south, who live in such conditions, the absolute majority are against negotiations with the aggressor, at least it would seem that , given the level of destruction and systematic shelling, they should be checks that will want to make compromises, but these negatives against the background of winter will of course increase and of course there will be more increasing pressure towards the fact that the west is ready to sell ukraine, although the majority of ukrainians still do not believe either, and on the contrary believe that the west acts as a partner of ukraine and generally considers the successes of ukraine as joint successes of ukraine and

the west of science. these narratives do not work in ukrainian society, dear mr. anton and if we talk about the cycles of changes in social attitudes , then, accordingly, here we are talking about a certain threshold of patience, about a certain, i don’t know, credit of absolute trust that every society has in its government that society chooses and so on. what could the next cycle be, which would indicate certain changes? i don't know right, left, so in the public mood of ukrainians, in fact, now we have a question . this is who we should be with. well, do we have a part of western civilization? a special history together with the slavic fraternal peoples of russia and belarus, and this vector has completely fallen away, that is, it was discredited in the 14th year and completely destroyed this year, now the question has started with us, the absolute majority of ukrainians agree to the movement to the west

but of course these questions arise whether ukraine should have a special way or ukraine should simply adopt a mechanical way to adopt all the examples of public administration that we should have in the west, but of course an assessment of the local object will be added in addition to this, by the way, we also conducted a survey on traditional of european values , it shows that ukrainians generally understand what traditional values ​​are, what european values ​​are, and depending on the wording, they support and do not support them one way or another - this is of course an economic issue, because now there is a certain fact that bayphoria is a certain adrenaline rush of the population that supports us in this difficult period. we support each other , we are ready to endure the lack of electricity, e. waiting for this reconstruction and these are, of course, such dividing lines as the internal displacement of individuals, their return, a more different attitude towards refugees, participants in hostilities, people with

certain psychological traumas after this war that is, the integration of all these individual sub-categories of the population is a peaceful integration and a return to normal life. thank you, mr. anton, for an extremely professional and interesting analysis on the air of the espresso tv channel. anton hrushevskyi, deputy director of miss, a well-known sociologist. well, we are moving on . 4:44 p.m. the reintegration of crimea is such a question. on the agenda today, including in zagreb a year ago during the first forum of the crimean platform, all this seemed to be a question of a distant and socialist perspective, but history has proven that the international discussion on this topic was started in a surprisingly timely and very timely manner, now there is a continuation of this discussion, further the material of our colleagues to forget about crimea occupied by russia, this was the goal of the creation of the crimean platform on the eve of the 30th

anniversary of the independence of ukraine, then on august 23, 2021, representatives of 46 gathered in kyiv -ty states to discuss the ways of deoccupation of the peninsula , although the leader of the largest western countries, in particular, german chancellor angela merkel, ignored the meeting by sending secondary officials to kyiv officials, the second summit that took place on august 23 this year was fundamentally different . dozens of world leaders took part in it in an online format. british prime minister boris johnson, german chancellor olafsholtz, french president manuel macron , italian prime minister mario dear, united states secretary of state anthony blinken, turkish president recep tayyip erdoğan and many others have become clearer and tougher, and the statements made at the summit have become clearer and tougher. i know that crimea is with ukraine and is waiting for us to return. i want you all to know that we will definitely return. we cannot to return to the line that was on february 23, it is necessary to

liberate the entire territory of ukraine together with crimea. we cannot show any weakness or any spirit of compromise, since it is about our general freedom and peace in all parts of the globe, we consider the seizure of crimea unconstitutional and illegal and do not recognize it a principled position, both for legal and moral reasons. the number of countries participating in the platform has increased to more than 60 countries, and it is an international coalition that actively supports the liberation of crimea from russian occupation. i would like to thank our to my colleagues who made extremely good and strong informative stories, at the same time i want to thank our diplomats and public figures who do not allow the world to forget about the russian occupation of our territory, we are talking about the crimean peninsula, we are adding it to our marathon now, once the deputy head of the board of the center for defense strategies as the deputy minister of defense of ukraine in

19 - we congratulate the 20th year adviser to the minister of information policy, mrs. alina. glory to ukraine. good afternoon. well , the meetings have started in zagreb, croatia. of the first parliamentary e-e of the first parliamentary summit of the crimean platform, i would ask you to sum up the first day of the meetings tomorrow today there was a meeting of various ukrainian and non-ukrainian international experts who spoke about certain blocks of problems starting from the violation of human rights, military war crimes and ending with a-a the concept of the reintegration of crimea, well, the concept of the reintegration of crimea, we have to understand that, in any case, we are talking about returning to our

orbit, yes, the orbit of our ukrainian existence a large mass of people, yes, very different people who were under russian propaganda for a long time, so these people can now ask themselves the question , who am i for the state of ukraine, apart from the fact that the official position is that i still consider myself a citizen of ukraine, nevertheless, people very often fear that they can well, for example, to be considered collaborators only because they were forced to take a russian passport to solve household issues that are absolutely vital in the occupied territory. well, and similar, similar, similar stories, are these discussed? the question is now on the disk of the discussion panels, how do we, let 's say, we will work with these people in an informative way to prove that not everyone will answer to the law in accordance with the fact that they simply lived in the occupied territories, you are not all collaborators, so we hope to contact you now

will be restored alina frolova deputy chairman of the board of the center for defense strategies as deputy minister of defense of ukraine in the 19-20 years advisor to the minister of information and politics we are talking about the meeting of the crimean platform in zagreb, croatia we hope the connection will be restored now well, so far the signal is not being sent , i would like to remind you of the direct speech of the minister for the reintegration of the temporarily occupied territories, literally the september speech of iryna vereshchuk, i quote all this as a farce circus, but for our citizens who will take part in referendums that were already planned at that time, this is really an article of the criminal code, i once again call on everyone who can to evacuate, and if it happens that people are forced to stay in uncontrolled territories, not to participate in

there are no referendums, and here we need to clarify. we are talking about participation in the organization of these referendums . and this is a responsibility. is it actually, uh, just voting in this referendum? when a person could be forced to come under pressure, under threat to the life and health of a specific person or his family mrs. alina, are you with us, yes, i am with you, and you, in fact, what did you say about the referendums and the previous questions that you raised? it seems to me that this question is not for expert discussions, but for, well, such daily work, and we have to work out a plan for that. what is reintegration, who are the collaborators, what will be considered the basis of the order, relatively speaking, the case in which the person will be, against whom some methods will be applied, i don't know the court cases and everything else. will be released. we also need to predict how

the law and order will be restored. we must have for the period of the release of the cry and this work is actually already taking place, there are some things that have been done and some things that are in the process but of course, expert discussions provide an opportunity well, let's say, to verify some thoughts or some directions with the other world and also that site on who can convey these messages to the world about what we are working on that we have such a concept and we will implement it and listen to what the world will say, well, madam, i would like to ask you, maybe you have information about sentiments who now dominate in the temporarily occupied crimea among the population. of course, none of the russian occupiers would allow our

sociological structures to work in crimea. but i think that a certain monitoring is taking place in order to compile the main fears and main hopes of the inhabitants of this temporarily occupied peninsula and the situation with crimea it differs very much from, for example, the occupied parts of the luhansk donetsk region . first of all, because very few people left crimea, and actually there are no more than 70-80,000, and the statistics that were, that is, the majority of people remained in all territories, and those who have ukrainians , ukrainians, ukraine in their hearts, and those who feel that they are citizens of ukraine and all the others, that is, on the one hand, we have preserved a part of the people who remained there, who remained to be ukrainian citizens, on the other hand, all these people were forced to obtain passports, that is,

formally, you cannot distinguish, relatively speaking that person who is loyal to the ukrainian state and not loyal, but based on the fact that of course the connection is maintained, it is maintained mainly with activists who will er ukraine and they are now arriving in a very good mood because for them the prospect of release has become much closer . that is, there are such moods that did not exist. in addition, we see that some partisan movements have even become active, which is extremely difficult to do in the crimea. and what was not there before simply because of this. because it threatened life. and that is one thing. second, the mobilization of the crimean tatars, especially the crimean tatars, from whom the russian army is being taken away so that they fight on the side of russia against ukraine, and this is of course, well, this is a very morally difficult thing for everyone who has pro-ukrainian views, and this is an issue that must be dealt with and dealt with actively

trying to help such people immediately go to the ukrainian fights to surrender immediately and to captivity let 's say to conditional captivity and go to their own, if i understand correctly, these people are considered victims of a war crime because according to the laws they how residents of the occupied territories cannot be mobilized. well, of course, yes, they cannot be mobilized, but they are mobilized, and it is very difficult here because of the fact that they have weapons in their hands. yes, and we understand that if a person is there on the battlefield, there can be different cases , there is active communication about the fact that it is necessary to immediately look for the first, er, the first opportunity in order to switch to the ukrainian side, and well, and your situation is indeed reported there that such a mobilization among the crimean tatars is going crazy at the pace of eh in this way trying to suppress the resistance of the crimean tatars in this way trying

again to create a new wave of genocide among the crimean tatars they counselor would like to ask you about international initiatives, in particular from the side of, for example, the same president of turkey, radio tayyip erdoğan, we understand that the protection eh crimea faces not only ukrainian history, turkey is also actively trying to defend this repressed people, which are now possible insights from this istanbul direction let's say crimean tatars she supports the position that ukraine and crimea are part of ukraine, and there is a fairly large diaspora in turkey. crimean tatar turkey is a muslim country that is close to the crimean tatars as a people. a-a

liberation of e-e crimea de-occupation a and i am not separately observing now the tracks of turkey that were aimed at well that were effective all in the precedent of protecting the rights of the crimean tatars ms. alina as far as we know today at the summit the crimean platform raised the question of the actual status of crimea in the ukrainian unitary unit. i will remind the state that the heads of the beekeeping of the ukrainian tatar people, refat chubarov, at the summit proposed to bring changes to the constitution regarding the status of crimea as a national-territorial autonomy within ukraine. in fact, this discussion has been going on for some time in ukrainian society and in ukrainian politics, how it was met on the crimean platform by the participants of the event, well , since the participants of today mainly experts, this is absolutely an expected

statement and it is absolutely not a debatable issue for experts, because the expert community basically agrees that crimea should be autonomous, but the national autonomy of the crimean tatars and ukraine is moving towards this were accepted the relevant laws that recognize the crimean tatar people as the indigenous people of crimea and define it there as a crimean country and crimean tatars, but crimeans . of the constitution and i remind you that this construction was imposed by russia during the partition after the soviet union, and actually it was blackmail from russia, which demanded exactly such a definition of the status, and thus planted a bomb under our own committee, that is, in order to remove such a

autonomy and decide whether crimea will be a part of a unitary state or whether it will have autonomy but national . and this must be done when there is no wartime, by law, changes to the constitution cannot be made but i think that really now is the time to talk about developing a political position regarding this, an official-political position about this should be declared about what the status of crimea will be after we can change the constitution and or some status we want to get yes and in this way well, bring closer, including such changes. thank you, ms. alina from why you have productive meetings. alina frolova, deputy chairman of the board of the center for defense strategies , ex-deputy minister of defense of ukraine in the 19-20 years adviser to the minister of information and politics of ukraine well

, khrystyna yatskiv and i are passing the baton to our colleagues so we say goodbye for coffee and give them the air, we have become viewers, we say goodbye at least until tomorrow and on eva melnyk there is more news, we will tell our colleague and you have a word congratulations thank you see you tomorrow for in a few moments, the news editor will tell you about the most important things, stay with us, i will start with the situation in the south, there are fierce because there are russian invaders, they are trying to gain captured positions, slow down the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine that night, the invaders fired at population points along the front line with telereactive salvo fire systems