conspirology it seems to me that conspiracy is the worst of the sciences. i remember that the crimlenologists, who had the same approximate information about what was happening in the soviet leadership as we have information about what was happening in russia, also invented various theories for years. this was their work . they received these are huge fees, they became doctors of science, wrote books, no predictions came true, that is, if they did not come true, but these people and now some of them, who left who survived the soviet union , have an excellent reputation, continue to invent various fables about russia that we will leave them in their conspiracy world, especially now this conspiracy world is also fueled by the telegram channels created by the russian special services, which are also told every day how putin dies does not die here he falls here he crawls here he walks and so on and all this is nothing relation to reality, we need to know reality if we don't know it all our conversations have no meaning that is, you are a realist you are not a pessimist i wrote i am a realist what would you say

to our viewers and what they should prepare for that's what you say. we shouldn't hope for an illness, we shouldn't expect a palace coup, please, but even if we hope for an illness, where is there a guarantee that after putin, a more radical person will not come to power who will believe that the ukrainian issue needs to be resolved on the way of the special operations service and on the way of a full-scale war with the use of a cascade of nuclear weapons, why can’t we consider that this could be the case, why are we waiting for putin’s death? as some kind of way out of the situation i don’t like it either of course, we proceed from stalin's er chebrezhnius logic, stalin died, khrushchev came, it became easier, brezhnev died, then andropov chernenko came, gorbachev came, it became easier, but not immediately, the same vasyl stus, whom we just mentioned, died for gorbachev, that is, it does not immediately become easier it may be five to five years after putin, the same tough policy until it becomes but we remember that

volodymyr ilyich died in eleni, after him it was stable it didn't get easier, it got worse, maybe if volodymyr ilyich remained alive and healthy lay on the ground there were not a large number of crimes that occurred in stalin's time people did not die in the tens of millions no, that is, this question does not need to look for some strange options for which later you will have to be disappointed you do not need to think about russia at all how not to think about russia if russia attacked ukraine, then we have the only possibility to solve the ukrainian issue as we want to solve it, it is to expel the occupier from our territory , join nato, any other options securing our future, they exist. do you think it is possible to expel the occupier from donbas and crimea, that is, to liberate all the territories of ukraine within

the limits of 1991? there are now modern weapons. there is a will to win in any case. the very preservation of the ukrainian state on the political map of the world will already be our victory, because the main task of our enemy is to eliminate this state and join its regions to the russian the federation then planned to take kyiv in a few days and lost with it. why according to your observations is it so disconnected from reality? it is obvious that it is disconnected from reality. it is absolutely clear to me. and what was the basis of the operation to seize kyiv? this is the arithmetic of politics based on false assumptions about the results of those votes in 2019. year of languages ​​in russia were sure, they did not hide it, it was discussed on all television shows that the party of peace and agreement with russia, and it is not in russian, the party of surrender won the party of war and look what a huge party of peace 73%. it was an absolute delusion because

you and i know very well that the people who voted for volodymyr zelenskyi did not vote for surrender there, even if there was some kind of surrender electorate that voted for pro-russian politicians who voted for zelenskyi as a substitute for evil compared to poroshenko, he was small in the electorate of zelensky himself in the second round of the elections. it was definitely not the majority of his voters, but in russia, in the kremlin, it was considered quite differently and when volodymyr zelensky first met with volodymyr putin last time in paris at the normandy summit and no capitulation took place, what was said in moscow, do you remember and do you not remember that he betrayed his voters by betraying the voters, well, he was afraid of the nationalists, this makes a very easy assumption if we will go to war, then first of all, the majority of ukrainians will meet us with flowers, bring us

the sociology of how they voted, let's say in the kyiv, chernihiv, sumy regions, you see how our electorate is, that is, putin decided that zelenskyi's electorate is putin's electorate, again, it's delusional, but i'm sure that it was in all the reports that put up a monastery, and secondly, if zelenskyi was scared of the nationalists who gathered near his office and shouted to him that there was no need to negotiate with zemnaya putin then he will be frightened by the first better russian tank and will simply run away and come with me viktor fedorovich viktor fedorovich definitely never betrays his voters he is a very decent person he will sign everything i tell him here is the whole very simple logic lost, i have to tell you that the russian special services have always had a bad attitude for as long as i can remember, as long as i have been following what they advised, how they imagined the situation, it has always been like this because they have been used to writing about what is actually happening since time immemorial stalin and what is liked in honor of russia eh in the quiet

borders of which we now see the map of russia victory in this war eh is an existential question so it is the restoration of the so-called historical russia within the borders of the soviet union until the time when russian the federation will not exist within the borders of the ussr at around september 1991 without the baltic countries simply because the nuclear conflict is the russian political task will not be fulfilled if russia dares to use nuclear weapons and does not receive an adequate response for it, then of course latvia, lithuania, and estonia will be included in the list of territories to be returned to the russian state, so far they are not there for a nuclear strike , it would be completely inappropriate to be a living person and not be afraid of a nuclear strike. invasion that now putin's threats of nuclear weapons

are no longer a bluff. they must be taken seriously. it's true. you said that. at the end of february, i checked specifically because i was interested in what predictions you make specifically regarding a nuclear attack. does the international community have safeguards on how to convey to putin what is available to him? there is no need to do this, because sometimes it seems to me that the west does not have such arguments. i do not know whether his measures are such arguments, we do not know what the western leader tells russian officials in their consultations with him, and if they cannot to convince the russian leadership that the use of nuclear weapons absolutely and also existentially changes the relations between russia and the world, of course, nothing will stop putin here, because he is generally all right with what he is doing, what will be the consequences. i also wanted to talk to you about contacts with russians from the russian audience. you continue to host the program as freedom on the

russian edition of radio svoboda, you have it, i actually discovered it because i did not know that it is also parallel to the youtube channel of the ukrainian youtube channel in russian. who are you trying to reach? to reach more precisely, are there among those whom you are trying to reach russians, there are many of them, i will tell you right away, and they have become fewer since the beginning of the full-scale war. if you are interested in the statistics of my own channel, e.e. russians, that is, people living in the territory of the russian federation, there are never more 10-15%. but this in principle corresponds to the audience i could count on in russia and even in the uh-90s when i was a reviewer for the 8th newspaper did i introduce programs on radio echo of moskvich was printed in some other liberal uh if you edition because what i say and what my colleagues say i don't think it corresponds to the world

seen by the vast majority of citizens of the russian federation it's just a fact and when i make a russian-language product i honestly do n't count on the citizens of russia i count on the global an audience that simply receives information via the russian language, i have a large audience, no wonder in kazakhstan, i value this audience because i want people living in kazakhstan to receive some more information offered to them by russian propaganda, i have a large audience in western countries, and i believe that these people who, say, watch my russian-language programs or blogs are, one way or another, also part of public opinion, which in turn contributes to our help, that's why when they say, here we are it is not necessary to speak this language. it is necessary because honest and clear information about this condition is possible, and this is the vote of another

congressman or member of parliament or the text of some journalist who writes in another language but communicates with his audience, which may be bilingual, of course, that is, a person receives russian-language information, but does she write a letter in english to her congressman, to the house of representatives or to the senate ? of the former soviet republics, kazakhs, jews, anyone, i see these people and belarusians, i would, if i had my time . opportunities are own, but you also know that most of the time and i don’t see such a big game that is ready to use belarusian-speaking products, well, that is, it is here, a youtube line will appear

in shorts. you consider all of belarus to be part of this war. i consider belarus to be an occupied country. i believe that in 2020, the occupation of belarus took place in approximately the same year as the occupation of the eastern and southern regions of ukraine. do i consider these people to be participants in the war? i consider them to be hostages of the occupiers, for me it also applies to belarus, that is, to the criticism that often comes from the side of ukrainians to belarusians that they actually contributed to the war with their passivity . that these people don't support us enough can be treated with full understanding because it's not our heads, rockets are flying and we see how disastrous our life looks with you compatriots, do you understand their emotions, it's ours with you the task is a journalist. but at the same time, we remember

what a huge protest movement was in belarus in 2020 and how it was, in essence, the coming of even the belarusian power apparatus. lukashenko simply succeeded in what yanukovych failed in 2014. if we had a more effective power apparatus and also taking into account the level of sectoral support that yanukovych had in the southern and eastern regions of our country, we could have a very similar regime, but the merit of the ukrainian people is the merit of the weakness of yanukovych of the ukrainian people, because in we did not create such a power apparatus, the ukrainian people never gave an opportunity to an authoritarian regime to establish itself for a long time, but the belarusian people gave such an opportunity. when he actually agreed with the lukashenko dictatorship after 1994, president kuchman also tried to build a strong state . but it literally crumbled in the hands of the president although they were tragic. how do you remember the events of ukraine without kuchma? do you

remember this action? to the authorities. it would be so whenever they saw that later they themselves are responsible for their own actions and not the person who gives them criminal orders, and this has happened many times in the history of ukraine, and the maidan of 2004 has already proved that the people can win, this is a serious inoculation for the power structures it's true, but in belarus, the security forces have always seen that the people always lose, and therefore it is necessary to blame the dictator for the education of such an approximate i would still say ivan the terrible , it is effective, by the way, this is also what happens in russia, in russia, during the protests on the swamp square there were also a lot of people, a lot. it was at a time when ukraine was in such a certain political liturgy and we looked at moscow and they were again like in 1991, and then it turned out that the power apparatus was not even from the point of view of repression, but from the point of view of efficiency special operations are quite

effective in russia, they simply overcame this kidney protest, they intimidated him, they destroyed the most active participants, they, er, cemented the regime, and most importantly, they found an effective way to strengthen this state, this is absolutely true discovery, what should be done if you ho-ho do not want more repetitions of such events, therefore, the power apparatus to fight, to fight, is not just to strengthen its apparatus, war is the way to preserve such regimes, in the end, i want to ask you, and in your opinion, how should we coexist with the russians? the main question with the belarusians is this war will end. we hope that with our victory but russia and belarus in the neighborhood will remain on the political map of the world, there will never be an independent democratic ukraine and putin's authoritarian we will not sing about russia, who will be next to us instead of russia? it could be russia, but it

could be another country. or it would continue to destroy ready to destroy ukraine as long as it exists, we will repeat it, you ask me about coexistence, i tell you that the russians will not exist until that day. until the russian troops go to the uzhhorod city hall and raise the tricolor there. i am not saying that it will be like that. territory from the enemy is an existential conflict, as you understand, and it will continue as long as ukraine wants to be independent, democratic and sovereign and as long as russia wants to be chauvinistic for and for which its own development and conquests under my former empire and as long as these two organisms will exist side by side for a year, two, five, and ten years, the confrontation will continue, not coexistence, there will be no coexistence, there will be no need to prepare, russia will do everything to

destroy ukraine putin at least his severity is putin's russia and the ukrainians will do everything to fight back because as i have already told you during this conversation ukrainians have the opportunity to either fight back or disappear as a nation it is impossible to live next to the russians even as a loyal and loyal people because for the russians there is no people, this is the time for the final solution of the ukrainian question, as it was once the jewish question by hitler. so do not expect that the future of belarus will remain until belarus depends solely on what russia will be like if authoritarian russia falls in belarus there is an absolutely normal perspective of a democratic european state that can even become part of the european family faster than ukraine due to the fact that the belarusian economy is not as destroyed and crippled as the ukrainian economy during the war if a democratic government comes to power in belarus and the ties between belarus and russia will be completely severed, in this it will be much easier to carry out the necessary

reforms for european integration than the government that will be in ukraine, but this does not mean that in it is easy for the belarusians, it is an easy and simple road, because russia may remain the way it is for a long time and we have every chance to overtake them so that we and the belarusians will one day meet in a united europe maybe we will even be the reason for their de-occupation, but without our victory there will be no free belarus and with the russians, we can simply not meet for this simple reason that if russia completely loses in ukraine, it can become part of a completely different civilizational world of authoritarianism and dictatorships, which will already be headed by the chinese regime and not russian and certainly this regime will give a final and decisive battle measures at some point if we are members not too much we will be part of this great battle and i would say the first line of this

battle let's hope that then precisely the fear that it is a conflict between nuclear blocs will stop, uh, it is possible such a remote meeting between these states and that this unification will be primarily economic and not military, but i do not give any guarantees here, because i think that authoritarian market forces cannot exist on one planet regimes next to democracy with morning democracies, this is practical even from the point of view of economics, the laws of economics are not possible, therefore, a collision between them is avoided in principle february 24 - this is the starting point of the starting gun, the war is just beginning, i was planning to draw a conclusion from your words that the only thing that remains in ukraine is to win, of course, only to win, to join nato,

this is the conclusion. the war was like that, and the cold war was during the confrontation between the soviet union and the west. yes, but the prospect of a global war would scare you a little, but you would not be scared away by this conclusion , but i repeat, a global war can be a global cold one. i just hope that if we are under a nuclear umbrella, we we will simply be in the center of this cold war because we will be on the border and europe, we always understand forever on the border of europe, it may happen that asia will immediately begin with all the desires and complexes and this is also what i am telling you about. you asked about coexistence. i would like the russians and i to meet in europe, then we would be the center of europe on the outskirts, you understand, the non-frontier of europe, but simply one of the central european countries, behind which would be another european country, russia. but if we will not meet with the russians, we will not always play the role

of this vanguard of the civilized world, this is a difficult role , even if it is from the war, because all these economic conflicts, all these provocations, all these troubles, everything will always start from ukrainian lands and for ages and i want us to prevent this, and this is the question of coexistence with the russians. i don't see the prerequisites for such a coexistence now, i would like to see them again, not for the sake of the russians, but for the betrayal of you and me, so that we find ourselves in the center and not on the by the way, but i don't see it, i can't just deceive you here. that's why we win and strengthen nato, join the european union, become an organic part of a democratic civilization that will be able to defend itself. thank you, mr. vitaly, all this conversation. thank you, tell me honestly, how you hurt me so much. i am crying today, i saw an interview with a man

whose wife died, two children, two grandchildren , everyone is so hysterical, it leads to darkness inside and exhaustion in this pain, i learned to transform it into creativity, it also heals me a lot, pay attention to your hands, clench your fists, wait 7-10 seconds after which relax them for 15-20 seconds now i will tense the whole body in the same way for a few seconds and again of relaxation that slowly develops with the whole body blowing this technique in your first aid kit self-help from cossack times under the cossack christ we defend

our native land we fight for truth and will we believe in our victory glory to the defenders of ukraine this winter we will fight the enemy and in the east we will check our weapons and the warming of our homes , destroy the enemy and drafts, welcome our brothers at the front and our relatives from the front-line zone in the rear, bring victory closer, both on the front line and at home , we will win the winter together, this is how you enter and the first the impression that you go into hell and they take out the young ones and they did not disappear when they started digging holes around them, then

they thought that they were for us, then he already went to the fire pit, built a little fire there, they climbed one after the other, consider yourself complicit in a war crime in the same way as with soldiers from other parts не контактировали в время находжения there очень gave the investigation diary of the whole tomorrow at 21:30 in marathon the only news in order to change the entire course of the war, more weapons and more

ammunition are needed and it is desirable that these supplies be rhythmic precisely at the time when it is necessary, mr. general. i welcome you to the first channel of public broadcasting. thank you for taking the time to visit us . it so happened that we are recording this conversation against the background of such massive russian strikes on ukraine. in kyiv lasted five hours, according to your data, are there enough resources in russia for such attacks to become systemic in russia are there enough military resources in russia are there enough missiles and other means that cause damage of civil infrastructure to our troops, therefore, to say that it is systemic or not systemic, it all

depends on the decisions made by the military-political leadership of the russian federation. well, accordingly , the command that is currently conducting a strategic offensive operation on the territory of ukraine, meanwhile, we do not always see exactly the scale of missile strikes in particular, regarding civilian objects, how do you explain to yourself that periodically we observe exactly such a course of hostilities, well, this is connected with many such aspects, in particular, the strategic leader of the offensive operation in the territory of ukraine has changed, it was also necessary to show the military and political leadership of russia that they are in control of the situation after such failed actions of theirs in the kharkiv and, in particular, in the

kherson directions, according to this aspect and they determined yesterday's such a massive missile strike, i want to quote here that the kremlin is already announcing that such massive missile strikes can be expressed in the case of that quote about attempts to carry out terrorist attacks on the territory of russia, well obviously the word terrorist attacks in quotation marks er on the territory of russia in quotation marks i want to ask you whether these threats can influence ukraine's decision to strike military facilities and possibly critical infrastructure facilities in the occupied crimea, which russia considers part of its territory, well military the command of ukraine makes such decisions that are sufficient to reduce the military threat from the russian federation and, accordingly, the mentioned words cannot in any way influence the

determination of the military leadership of the armed forces according to ukraine and the ukrainian people in the fight against the russian aggressor, the western media on monday had headlines about the fact that the attack on kyiv in particular and the massive attack on ukraine in general was a response to the incident on the kerch bridge. putin accuses ukraine of a terrorist attack . and i cannot but ask you what it was like on the kerch bridge, we are working with an unknown for sure and certain from those sources, including those coming from the aggressor country, it could be clashes between the relevant and law enforcement agencies on the territory of the russian federation in any case, the fact that this became some kind of reason for a massive strike, it was done artificially in order to blame ukraine, it could not be ukraine

. well, i am not involved in making such decisions, but from the fact that one of the versions are that these were showdowns between the law enforcement agencies of all russia. you personally have a history related to crimea, so it is interesting how you perceived the footage of the explosion on the kerch bridge in one of such ideological pillars of russian politics or brings our victory closer and contributes to the prospect of winning it as soon as possible is useful. therefore, everything that is happening and er promotes us to victory is of course useful. that is, you are satisfied. well, i am satisfied that it can er contribute to our victory and with in view of the consequences, of course, we would like the consequences of obstructing the supply of military equipment, missile ammunition, to the entire

occupied crimea in the southern direction, to be as long as possible in terms of these interruptions in their logistics system in 2018 after you said in one of your interviews that you have a brother in the crimea, does he stay there and remains there? is it safe for you as a representative of the higher military command ? i communicate absolutely after, well, we worked in the area of ​​the operation of the joint forces, on my part , certain signals were given to him and the situation happened. mobilization, it affects in particular the ukrainians in

the territory of the occupied crimea. do you know anything about whether your brother fell under it? it is completely unknown and i am not even interested in all those who come to ukrainian land in the form of an occupier, we will deal with them in the same way as in the end the occupiers. it is difficult in fact, this is about partial mobilization, as according to your forecasts, this step of vladimir putin will affect the situation on the front at the moment of the russian federation, as a result of the mobilization, it replenishes the active military units that suffered losses and immediately now the mobilization resource is arriving in the territory of the donetsk region, and also in other directions we know of similar effects, and as for further actions, the specified mobilization will lead to the creation of new military formations on the territory of the russian federation, with the help of which the military and political

leadership of the russian federation and their