italy will cost italy in 28 years if it is an ally to protect it, if it is an enemy to destroy it, then it is approximately the same situation in the relations between belarus and russia, just replace the nazis of that time with the current russia and the fascists of that time ate italy, yes, we definitely see that lukashenko has already surrendered belarus in full because the army did not take part in a full-scale invasion, but it is and then it is trying with all its might after all, to force mr. lukashenka to do this, does he still have it some levers of influence, to put it simply, how can he affect lukashenka so that he agrees to such a thing, you see it anyway. i think that putin

and his entourage are able to soberly assess the situation , they perfectly understand that the majority of the population of belarus is not interested in this war unlike russia, this war in belarus is the most popular, and will become even more popular if belarusians die on the territory of ukraine or on the border with ukraine, respectively, in this situation, from the point of view of logic, it is most profitable for putin to maintain a threat from this side, that is, so that belarus does not directly enter the war, although in fact it is already a participant in the war in russia, missiles and planes are launched to strike at you . or 7 belarusian brigades and incomplete two

aviation regiments, they are much more important for the russians if they entered into combat operations directly. thank you, mr. andrii , they understood your position. hetman sahaydachny academy of ground forces analyzed the situation in belarus and the participation of belarus in russia's war with ukraine, we are moving on, the reintegration of those freed from the occupier of the territory of ukraine is happening very painfully and very slowly, says deputy prime minister iryna vereshchuk in an interview to the first and adds that in 90% of cases, people were waiting for the ukrainian authorities. what problems does the government face in the liberated territories? talked to my colleague ihor sharov, i would really

like that by this time those who are there and now may hear me once again and once again ask themselves the question so who and what is russia for you i think already after february 24, even if someone has and there were some afterthoughts yes or some doubts or something else it seems to me that russia drew the line completely she crossed out everything ms. renault good afternoon i welcome you to the first channel of public broadcasting thank you for agreeing to come to this interview today after russia declared martial law on in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, the russians have increased terror among the local population , the mayor of melitopol , ivan fedorovy, said in particular that the russians will soon close exits from the temporarily occupied cities, will continue to rob the population, and the invaders are

mobilizing all members of the enemy army, both men and women, questions to it is easy for the residents of the temporarily occupied territories to protect themselves from forced mobilization. first of all , i really confirm mr. fedorov's words that the occupiers are doing everything to minimize the exit of our people to the territory under the control of ukraine . indeed, there are several thousand cars piled up on vasilivka today in which people have been trying to cross the checkpoint for several days and the occupiers are not allowing them to do so . they considered berdyansk, novoazovsk , there was also a highway, there was also an opportunity to leave there, they also made it difficult to travel. now we are talking about a deliberate planned tactic of the russians, which we call by all signs, and i think it will be confirmed in the

international criminal court by the genocide of ukrainians, what is happening today in the temporarily occupied territory according to a combination of signs. the same is true of torture of the local population - it is also deportation, forcible removal, what they call evacuation in this case is not evacuation like you you understand. evacuation is a process that must be agreed with the government of ukraine. if we open a corridor, even an evacuation corridor, then we must understand that people are going to a government-controlled road. territory is not in the territory of the enemy and it is obvious that if the corridor is not open. and on vasilivka there is practically no corridor, but there is only a corridor in the territory of russia, then this is the forcible removal, this is the deportation of people. we record it every time, i emphasize this on every broadcast. this is a war crime committed by russia will be responsible for this, now coming back to mobilization, there are indeed facts of illegal mobilization, the geneva convention clearly forbids mobilizing the local population into the enemy's army, you

see it is happening massively and so that it is necessary to avoid and not to inform the place of your stay if possible to evacuate if such an opportunity arises it is necessary to do this do not come into contact with the enemy and the occupier do not cooperate and especially do not receive a passport the so -called passport of a citizen of the russian federation suddenly if this happens and the person is mobilized or the person received the same passport of the russian federation, and whether this is being done forcibly , or will there be responsibility for it, or is the person being accused of collaborationism, and from radio ukraine, i can to blame if a person did it voluntarily if a person did it with the purpose of getting a benefit to get a position there are many such cases and we also record them as practice in the kharkiv region shows so when the de-occupation took place and every day we

hear the statements of the security service of ukraine and other authorized bodies by our state, the implementation of such functions, filtering measures, other measures that our law enforcement system uses to ensure national security, including, in this case, from cooperation, so collaborationism, in simple words, with the enemy and what we see, as practice shows, says that they will be held accountable if they held administrative positions, if they handed over registers, if they encouraged others to do so, for example, to receive passports of the occupier, created conditions that reduced the rights of the local population of course they will be held accountable but not all and not under one comb so you started talking about the need to evacuate, what is the possibility for people living above the temporarily occupied territories to evacuate from there now it is difficult for me to advise anything because i have been doing it since june inclusive, so if one day

on the air i called to evacuate when it was possible and many people took advantage of it and i thank them very much for it, because today we have the opportunity to help such people as much as possible, but there are people who really stayed because of family reasons due to vital circumstances, they could not do so due to their health. elderly people with limited mobility who remained in the territory which is temporarily occupied and now regarding the evacuation of the scheme, the possibility is being worked out together with international organizations such as the un or international committee of the red cross regarding their involvement in this process, because so far we have involved them only when we found, so to speak , an opportunity to negotiate with the russian side, do you remember the humanitarian corridors, the ceasefire regime, and only then could we so to speak, to enlist the support of third parties, it does not work, you see, russia has turned to the terror of the

civilian population, it cannot fight with the army , it will lose completely, it will lose on the battlefield to our boys and girls from the armed forces of ukraine and moved to the terror of the civilian population, and of course the international community should react to it. russia should feel the same about the sanctions and political obstruction at other levels, big and small, at all levels, it should feel that it will not be the responsibility. they have already started talking about some administrative services, for example, the birth of a child. if the child was born in the temporarily occupied territory that is not under the control of the government . the ukrainian government does not work there, for example , the registration of inheritance, so that you advise in such cases, well, unfortunately, our legislation is very complicated. if you are now talking about the registration of a birth certificate, it is

very difficult in court, and i can generally say that we have our own issue the reduction of the payment, yes, or even the cancellation of such payment, or the administrative fee, or the customs penalty, yes, which also must be paid or even must be paid, everything is very difficult, i will say from our experience that we, as the ministry, have proposed to cancel the fines for the production of lost documents, the passport was burned in the field, they are no longer a force majeure, the person did not want to lose it, but that is how the war happened in our country, i explained it not even to the government committee as the vice prime minister when they presented this and our draft law ministry our team explained that let's put ourselves in the position of those people who really lost for reasons beyond their control, it's not because they don't want to, of course. well, how can you fine a fine - you're actually being punished, so, well, you can't them to be fined for this and unfortunately, they did not support me, i was very surprised. and so i, as the head of the

government committee, could not convince people from the ministry of internal affairs to follow the example or others who categorically opposed it, who said that it should not be done, because then it is necessary to make changes then it breaks the entire architecture. because i read more that they are even going to raise the fee for obtaining, for example , foreign passports, something else, as a categorical opponent of raising any fees, the state should take over the difference in terms of how much we understand now the incomes have become less, have you given up or do you continue to insist on this position that it is necessary to reduce the bureaucracy and cancel the fee for, let's say, a lost or damaged e-passport of a citizen of ukraine. i will never give up and our team will never give up, we understand what this is our people need one more question regarding communication with the temporarily occupied territories, i spoke the day before when i was preparing for an interview

with friends whose relatives live in the temporarily occupied territories, in particular in kherson, that people are interested in what the people in the temporarily occupied territories are worried about, one of the questions is the transport connection with these territories. namely , is it possible to get into the temporarily occupied territory by the government's spin control, too, no, if we are talking about the checkpoint on vasilivka, it is actually yes, this is a narrow neck that allows to get to the temporarily occupied territory from zaporizhzhia, for example, nuts, but here you can’t continue for days. that is, there are certain restrictions from the ukrainian border, we have a commandant there, there is a commandant, you do you remember what a huge tragedy it was when dozens were killed and even more people were injured who were going to go to the temporarily occupied territory, but if you ask my subjective opinion, as a person, as a woman, as a mother, as a wife, as a daughter, i

think there is no need to go there material values, there are no reasons other than force majeure, such as the death of loved ones, god forbid, but we are all living people to go there, and i know that a lot of people hmm well, they do not accept my egoistic position in this regard, but i know that safety and life are the main things that should be taken care of if people leave their children in the care of strangers and go to see what happened to their apartments or rather listen to enemy propaganda that it will be possible to spend the winter in mariupol, go there and they will give you an apartment there and to me personally they called and said after that when we were sitting in the corridor to take people out of mariupol and i had to return them there, well, it's just a disaster, that's why i think that they don't need to go there and i strongly advise them not to go to the occupied territory there, the enemy is still there who only wants to make our people a human shield that

's all, but in addition to material values, many people have relatives left there, they need to be taken out, there is no need to talk about the fact that relatives stayed we are in june, july, august, even in september, until these ill- fated pseudo-referendums every day they said contact us and we will help, let's come together there is no reason to stay there i understand and often hear i will be truthful because that is what will save us when we have to tell each other the truth when i often hear that my mother did not agree because she has a garden there because in she's there kit because there's something else i don't understand about her, so i 'll say my opinion again as a human being i don't know why a daughter or son can't convince their closest person, their parents, to leave and if it doesn't happen, then we see these terrible shots yes when the borders are closed, when the options for

evacuation corridors are closed, their parents call them, they have no light, they have no heating, well, they ca n't provide for themselves, and of course their heart is bleeding . more people especially at the beginning of october and until today and it will only get worse the situation will get worse the enemy is using them as a human shield another issue uh that i was asked to discuss with you is what to do with utility payments to people because now most of the utility companies have moved under control , so to speak, by the occupying power, and they issue bills for the consumption of communal services. and what to do in such cases, who should people pay in the first place, and to the occupying power or to pay the ukrainian power, how to get out of this

situations so that debts do not accumulate here is also an issue that needs to be discussed because, for example, khersonoblenergo, here is a real example: they moved here, their main headquarters are now on government-controlled territory. and i know that there are enterprises that owe them, including, by the way, our enterprise is a state-owned enterprise they reported to me, i saw and signed, of course they also have to pay these debts, because these are their capabilities, their wages , after all, our taxes if this is an enterprise that is located in the temporarily occupied territory of course, these taxes will go to service the occupier, and then let the people who asked you ask themselves whether they want to serve the occupier or not. if they don't want to, of course you don't need to pay, but here the problem was and what to do, that's why i said to evacuate, that's why i'm sorry the parrot already everyone said that you are already here, we all got tired of repeating every day, please go, because then these questions will be asked to me and i

won't have anything to answer because i don't want to, they said that people paid the occupiers, but there was some way now it is almost impossible, the roads are cut off, what to do, then let them decide what to do when it was necessary to evacuate, people did not want to do it, in our democracy they have the right, but now they will pay the enemy. although i am against it, i think it is wrong, you cannot cooperate with the enemy at all. no payment and so on must be avoided people come back and see that their housing is completely destroyed in an apartment building after vacating this area is another matter they receive utility bills ah, i understand everything, what to do if you have such a package, run to us 15:48 call if i have such cases, please, this is the hotline of the ministry

. payments are still coming from mariupol, well, that's real. well, who and what should you be, but the system is like this, it is relentless, it works bureaucratically, although i personally am absolutely opposed to such heartless approaches, it should be clearly worked out, contact us we will help so that you never receive any more such payments. thank you for this explanation, and again, you have already returned to the issue of collaborationism several times. and i would like to discuss this in a separate topic because it is very important and this is what worries the people in the temporarily occupied territories the most. should they take away the pensions that are paid by the occupation authorities or social assistance, won't they be accused of collaborationism for this? this is what they are asking about this. a difficult topic is very difficult. yes, in the 14th year, russia

is a hybrid, so it attacked us, and so we cannot explain to each of the citizens what to do in such a case, and it so happened that since the 14th year, legislation has not been developed on it's a pity we didn't do it. as they say, the conclusions from those events of 14-15 years and now we have to make up for it and explain to people that the way it was then it doesn't work now then the way it was, it was like that and many escaped punishment, many of the mayors city ​​of deputies of local councils so they did not succeed to avoid even more, they continued to run for office and counted on something, and this of course caused such a feeling of impunity that it would be possible , for example, for the school principal to repaint and work for the occupiers so calmly that nothing would happen to them, and some of the kharkiv region are now surprisingly giving explanations in the dbr there or others say and

what is this about me, i helped people as it turned out , i wanted to help, i went to cooperate, i became the so-called gauleiter, the mayor of the city or someone appointed there, handed over lists, handed over people and walked and patrolled the streets together with the enemy, gave the names of those who were in the anti-terrorist operation, so they were taken to the basement, tortured all this and tells from experience when yavy in the kharkiv region talked to people, and now i wonder why they call me a collaborator and suspect that 11 -18 and she went to work in order to survive and went to work as a firefighter, a rescuer and a teacher at school, she continued to work as a doctor in order to survive , but she actually worked for the occupying power or was subject to e.e. the criminal code under the article 111 dash one, everything is clearly spelled out if a person went to work as a fireman. you know that there are

civil servants, there is an oath of local self-government, general seats in wednesdays, there is civil service, you can’t, but listen, and there are a lot of people who did not obey that this is not civil service, for example me i ask, give an example . the librarian does not have the right to work according to the laws of the occupying state. by the way, teachers have a separate subsection of the article. they can read what awaits them if they are for propaganda for imposition of work according to textbooks or according to the standards of russian education, the provision of educational services was carried out, making people a doctor is absolutely excluded. this is the geneva convention. if you were just a doctor, you are protected by the soviet conventions. if you were the chief doctor , held an administrative position, then you can fall under the for example, now raisin and the chief doctor, everything must be looked at. let the law enforcement agencies evaluate, we did the

following as the ministry, realizing that we cannot all be under the same roof, we proposed a draft law to the government of us supported this draft law, today it is in the committees of the verkhovna rada, it is the committee on law enforcement policy and human rights, we proposed to go this way, because every time you write what is prohibited, you can imagine what the list will be, and every time it will turn out that something else is prohibited, a notary can work for a lawyer, and the rest oblenergo is there, for example. yes, and to the representative of nak naftogaz. and those who provide communal services also left, and this is a huge list. yes, we offered to go the other way, knowing that this is, in principle, as they say, the scientific school speaks in a different way than we do now some of the deputies try to explain, but we are at war and here we do not belong to scientific schools.

allow me to say that this is not the time and today, if the criminal article 111-1 is very strict, in fact everyone falls under it, and that is why i take this opportunity to appeal to our deputies to speed up the consideration of draft laws, there is an opportunity. yours, but offer a clear definition of who will be a collaborator and who will not, because it is wrong to call everyone collaborators, to suspect everyone of the same and only then when you prove your innocence, it is wrong to clearly explain to people what they will be responsible for , a teacher who teaches according to russian textbooks is asking me now will be responsible and the school director will be responsible but these are different levels of responsibility administrative responsibility when the school director organized the process and the teacher who could be forced to go to school and teach either a cleaning lady or in a school that did not teach such things, did nothing, just cleaned at school in order to

survive, so that she would be paid at least some money, please articulate about receiving a pension from the occupation authorities or other social benefits, there will be no punishment approaching winter is also relentless and we all know that it will be very difficult considering the fact that russia is now hitting ukraine's energy facilities mercilessly and doing it every day. what is the government doing now to ensure that displaced people to survive the winter meet the winter and survive it like this uh-uh the enemy can't defeat us on the battlefield and can't fight with our army so they are fighting now with a transformer and generators and uh-uh of course we are preparing and you probably hear about daily meetings about daily coordination headquarters meetings because the situation changes every day and

it is clear that there are no quick answers to all questions here and now, but there are main directions in which we are working, for example, really the vpo, what we can offer to our vpu are centers of compact residence where people live, we have 5,670, it will be even more clear that in the centers it is much better and easier for the local authorities and us as the central government to help because, for example, 100 or more people live there in 50-70 dashes and we can quickly get there and humanitarian aid in the form of grocery sets , hygiene products, and in general, everything that a person needs can be delivered, if allowed. i brought a phone number. yes, on which phone can i call? do you have a mobile phone, so that i don't remember it right now, let me know the number telephone number of the hotline for people living in compact housing provided by mrs. iryna 096 058 - 83 76 write down remember this phone

yes phone where can you call the contents of compact housing and we will help as the ministry with everything you need of course it will not be a major repair of the building because winter is coming and we have to winter over. but everything that will be needed, heating devices, generators, additional beds or insulating blankets, mattresses there or there, er, thermoses, everything that is needed, we will help as much as we can here and help now, please contact especially the heads of such micro-compact living quarters. we will quickly organize the help of our international partners. we have them, and i thank them very much for that, and we will help you survive the winter. what is the current situation in the liberated territories, in particular, we are talking about kharkiv that we have a lot and kherson oblast also, how is reintegration taking place there, integration of the

territories themselves, reintegration of the population? well, let's really distinguish between kharkiv oblast and kherson oblast, because we are talking about the term of occupation and about ... it took place because it was different in different settlements, so kharkiv region suffered a lot. they will really buy vovchan raisins there, probably everyone has seen these footage. of course, reintegration is happening very painfully and very slowly, because the first task is to bring the territories back to life also that there were power supplies so that they were necessary. well, there are even additional starlinks, additional e-e networks that will work so that it is a post office that will provide pensions , so that it is some additional money in the form of cash not in a month, but here and now, it's grocery sets, after all, elementary bread. i came to kharkiv region, we brought chicken there, something else, and the people. and we want bread. there was no bread for six months, so imagine to what level the people have reached, and

it's clear that people want to at least be warm so get some sleep so as not to hear these cannonades. many of them . by the way, we only left kharkiv, where the occupied part of the region is, so already more than 22,000 people have been evacuated, and i believe that this is right because it will be difficult to survive the winter there, there is no way restore it completely, yes, from the life support system to the example of raisin well, it is actually completely destroyed kupyansk shelling continues and closer to where vovchanskyi is further on there, in general, the shelling is still going on and the fighting is going on, so i advise you to evacuate , call us, call us, there are already many opportunities to evacuate and survive winter in more comfortable conditions, if kherson region is a little different situation there. well, for example, kochubeivka, which was previously released, is already more or less adapted , and velyka oleksandrivka is worse because they recently were released and so in each settlement,

but the main thing is that there is power there, both regional and local, that is, in the places of the headman, and in the places there are community leaders who can provide assistance . international organizations work there, for example, mom, the international organization for migration, 200 for each person at the moment, i experienced 2,200 + 1,200 from the international committee of the red cross . ukrposhta - this is all delivered, delivered. there are already stationary branches of ukrposhta, by the way, in a word, life is slowly coming back to you now they spoke more quickly about the reintegration of the territories themselves, the reintegration of people after the temporary occupation. this is a very difficult question, both psychologically and morally. are you currently facing any problems specifically in the reintegration of the population? yes, of course, you asked the right question - it is psychologically and morally, first of all, very difficult

. i'm not a psychiatrist and i'm not a psychologist but i see it in people's eyes, they all need help and professional help, we can think that we know how to work with people no one knows how to work, because even the nato standards, even those standards that were and are protocols, approved in the way they are in western countries , they do not work. and by the way, we decided and under the auspices of the first lady, we will have the first psychosocial adaptation center in kharkiv oblast, there must be mobile brigades will start, which will accompany them, as they call it, the first line of contact goes, for example, a representative of the state emergency service or a representative of the national police or even ukrposhta, they all have to understand how to behave people need to speak as needed. there are a lot of poor mobile people who cannot leave the house, they also need help, and sometimes not so much physical, but psychological, and

all these things are worked out, but to say that people