will continue to do so, so the question is very simple while this regime exists, so i say to everyone that the key issue for today's event is of course helping ukraine to victory, but it is also critical to start a discussion. you can agree on nothing because no one trusts him anymore and if you can't agree on anything and putin doesn't want to, he doesn't believe in any agreements or agreements, he only believes in theoretical things , well that's the mentality and that actually means that we need to have a serious joint discussion with the west. and we are actually now becoming part of the west. and what to do with this russia, what does it mean to restrain this russia

? do in order to convince the west that it is impossible to live with this russia on the same planet and it must be done absolutely consistently and as you say, i agree with you 101% p serhiu well, i really got endlessly there to make excuses, but prove that this is another lie , or another madness but nevertheless, we have to do it, this is a war, and in this war we need to achieve victory, but in the context of what moscow is now repeating again about this dirty bomb, forgive me for mentioning it again, but sergey lavrov has already says that russia is demanding from ukraine a list of people who died at the hands of the russian occupiers in buch, if there is this synchronicity now, please let us hear it and we have

already since then information about the names of those people who fell victim and were shown their bodies were shown to the whole world as an investigation of a criminal of the russian military i even appealed publicly a month ago to the general starion so that he still managed to get a list of these persons no reaction at all just another evidence of that how transparent ukraine is, how much hey, there is nothing to hide, you know, lavrov should be given a shovel and sent to bucha so that he helps the people there who torture the bodies of people who died during the russian occupation and force to do this work, the cynicism

shown by lavrov and the words he says and the statements he makes to the whole world shows that it is obvious that russian diplomacy in russia, forgive me. well, it is simply finished and what is the place after our victory lavrov well, i believe that this list should be submitted to the international criminal court after the work that is currently being conducted by the court and all of our prosecutors' offices and all the bodies that are responsible for it, and the list of evidence and all these stories. i believe that the court e has to make sure that the whole world hears every

story in this story, so that when they will be judged, that every story will sound like we can rebuild it, and it's the same as nuremberg, the same as tokyo, the same as any international court, here the final list should be announced there. and now we have to work with our friends in order to analyze the evidence as carefully as possible so that nothing goes wrong. many people are helping us. and on a bilateral level and the european union, really. we have to make sure that every little particle does not go and so that they will all hear it later in the international criminal court or will it be a specialized tribunal so far it is difficult to say i am a big fan of a specialized tribunal of course but for us

it is very important that it is not only ours and western history the whole world should stand behind it they are now you they said about russian diplomacy , they haven't been involved in diplomacy for a long time, but they are engaged in propaganda all over the world, they are engaged in africa, they are engaged in latin america, that is, the whole world, then from this tribunal or the people's criminal court, let's see what the decision will be, there are different options, there are options that are even quite creative, so that in the end the whole world will hear it, and if the whole world doesn't hear it, then what kind of warning is there that it won't happen again, but i emphasize there, i don't know how much i have already emphasized many times that living with this regime on the same planet is dangerous, everyone who has values ​​must learn this,

and in the western not western world at the level of the subconscious. in which court and on which bench will they all sit? putin's press secretary piskov says that moscow can start negotiations with the americans and the french and with the pontiff. he said, "someone should call president zelensky to lift the ban on negotiations with on the russian side, we will hear from piskov. if this is not a real effort in terms of finding possible solutions, then this can be evaluated positively, but on the other hand, this statement does not say anything about the fact that someone should he will call president zelenskiy and deal with the legal framework that cancels

any negotiations with the russian side, so we are ready to discuss everything with the americans and with the french and the spanish, and we repeated once again that russia is open to all contacts , but we must have received that ukraine did not define continuation of negotiations, they complain that we do not want to talk with them, they have been inviting us for eight months, and we do not want to talk, eh, considering what the sand says and considering the father this is already a symbolic date of 8 months of the beginning of the great invasion . we're talking well, in fact, the words of piskov

are what you just showed, they are not so much about what he will say, they are very similar to russian whining, but let's finally start and we want and we're ready and let's ask already ukraine and this is actually a good signal in this, we have children, as for the lessons of the whole war, i think that they should be done 100% early, it is perfectly clear to us that the classic, as i call them, structures such as he have shown their total helplessness and inability and inadequacy to modern conditions yes, i am of the opinion that they need to be reloaded

. at every step on every wall it was written that we offer eurorenovation, if it will be eurorenovation so real, real, i don’t know, maybe he will somehow help. but the league of nations once excluded the ussr after he started minus to finland, er, he is not capable. well, there are no eggs to exclude russia and say that in the end, even though it is a matter of selecting it in the security council, that is why i treat this un with, if you want , a frank appeal to this un and many times in frank conversations i told this to the leaders of the un as

regards our partners, so they were too slow er in many cases too indecisive it was very difficult for them to get out of their comfort zone but nevertheless they woke up will supply us with such weapons as cheetahs or modern air defense systems, there would be hysteria. and now everything is developing, everything is happening, and the germans also give 25% of the european contribution in terms of financial assistance in general zamela's help but nevertheless, the post office is here er here is why i believe that the western world er and here

the will of the americans is absolutely critical showed itself again with a collective action before this there was no collective action to speak of, well, i just don't know what it is not possible, but not wanted. but now there is also a collective measure, by the way. it is very difficult for such countries as china, which want to fight separately with the staff. west is and we have to join him, join him not as a victim or a beggar, not with such a mentality, with an understanding of our contribution and in the heat, including a collective event, and with an understanding of what we can do as a passionate nation, as those who

is ready to defend our values, this is certainly the case with other structures, well, look , the european union made a decision on the candidate status of ukraine for the first time in the history of the eu . to jump and look at things and talk about them as they are, after all, he did it, and for this, in fact, respect to him, in fact, we, if you will, became such an e-e stimulus for the reboot of the western world, we stimulated it to work and to be ready to live and e- not only to exist, but to live in the

21st century. yes, this is our mission. frg e.e. germany frank-walter steinmeier is one of the authors of the steinmeier formula, because he was the minister of foreign affairs, so when he was visiting koryukivka in the chernihiv region today , he was under fire and he came under this fire , or rather he met him in the bomb shelter and the world agency and publications, in particular, deutsche welle , investigated this photo where shtanmeier is in a bomb shelter, and now he obviously understands that all the formulas he uses are basically worthless in this situation, and when russia inflicts missile strikes on ukraine, let's hear what

volodymyr zelenskyi says about the 8 months of the great war and about the loss of russia's potential on all fronts, let's hear zelenskyi there was gas influence there was no military influence was evaporating there was political weight now isolation to be constantly increasing there were ideological ambitions now only disgust and this a very important change in the configuration in our part of eurasia, the more of its potential russia loses now, the more real freedom all peoples will get and next to russia and within its borders ukraine, first of all, on february 24 in the kremlin, they could not even think about it, although it was worth it, but now on october 24, there is no such russian official and

propagandist who does not understand where everything is moving for them. pavla, in this context, i wanted to ask about the changing configuration in world, do you agree with the statement that a new axis of evil is now being formed, as bush sr. once said when he spoke about the soviet union. is it possible to talk about the axis of evil, russia, iran and belarus ? game well, but the japanese and mussolini played their own game. we also understand this very well. lukashenko is not an independent player. belarus formally retains the attributes of statehood, or is it actually independent? this is actually a big question, and the fact that the

russians are 100% preparing possible strikes from the north we also perfectly understand that it is critical for them to start negotiations on their own terms and they will try to cut off the supply and weapons routes and again attack our nuclear power plant in order to achieve collapse . our allies are well aware of this they know about it very well, but overall lukashenko is an independent player, uh , in the whole forest of evil. russia has been around since the sperian times and that is why green is definitely there, but i would still not

compare it with the historical example of nazi germany, italy, mossolini and japan of these times, it is something different. totalitarianism is common a joint activity that fights against any manifestations of freedom, and in this sense, yes, the answer is very simple, but it means that we and the west have to fight not only against russia, as the main enemy of the entire free world, now i mean directly of course, we can talk about other challenges, but also with this axis, and this means that we have to win in all areas. by the way, mr.

pavla, regarding the entire axis, dmytro kuleba last week addressed president zelensky and offered to stop the diplomatic severance diplomatic relations with iran, but there is no such proposal with regard to belarus. and why in this, if it is an axis and if we see that belarus is the territory from which we are attacked, why do we not break diplomatic relations, forgive me, i will ask a possibly completely stupid question, no, it is not at all it's not stupid, it's absolutely logical, and i think that the issue of diplomatic relations with belarus is important. and they recognize the world, we do not recognize it, and this is the

main driver of all pro-russian activity in belarus. sometimes i also hear proposals there, let's declare belarus as an occupied territory or some other territory, and here we need to be very careful, and in ideas and words, i will tell you why if you break off diplomatic relations with belarus, it 's such an obvious story. for example, to declare belarus now occupied. and then the question arises. and then lukashenka acts like someone who obeys orders. and if he acts like that, what is his responsibility him and belarus and should they then be held accountable or should they be punished or should they pay for operations and many other questions and also

i would not pour water on putin's mill no matter what we pretend here that in fact they already have a union state and a certain new soviet union, so a- ah, the severing of diplomatic relations is definitely yes , there is absolutely no question with this, but with other international legal matters, i would advise to be very clear and careful here, so as not to take today's leadership to belarus, i deliberately do not say the president belarus, but today's leadership of belarus is under responsibility and belarus is also under responsibility as an accomplice of russian aggression , all of them have to answer, by the way, the head of the public relations service of the air force in ukraine, colonel yuriy ignat, said that the russian occupiers are launching kamikaze drones

, now the iranian shahs from the territory of belarus and the probability of strikes, including the martyrs, they have them in the south of the country and in russia, they were brought to the territory of belarus but, mr. pavla, we never also had contacts with iran, and if i’m not mistaken , there were a lot of ukrainian paradise projects , that is, irene trades with everyone, and in this situation, is the trade in drones with the russian federation a violation of sanctions and a violation of some international rules on the part of iran, and first of all, definitely there are also sanctions imposed on iran that do not allow it, respectively, military cooperation and arms trade, i have suspicions that iran is also trading in these drones through the transfer of

technology to russia or the production of drones not on the territory of the country, there is a lot of talk about this by the westerners experts are therefore wounded, they know how to try to avoid sanctions and responsibility for non-compliance with sanctions. i think that they have well calculated uh-huh putin's need is now uh-huh so critical in uh-huh iranian sofas. and by the way, the import of iranian dogons themselves shows their pitiful situation although it is impossible to underestimate the russian potential, it is also perfectly clear to us that the iranians will use it, that the iranians will receive in return elements of nuclear technology or something else. this is of course a question for the special services of the western countries.

that they know this, and now it is also perfectly clear to us that any nuclear agreement with wounds that was signed, then developed, then negotiated again, well, it does not make sense in today's situation, that is what we said with you that the world is fundamentally changing and we should return to the previous ones -e recipes for previous ideas is absolutely impossible, including in the morning, well, in the end, look at what is happening today in reality, these are protests and these are real protests, and it is very important that this protest was... to develop and now the americans talk a lot about internet support for other things, this is of course a very, very important story, how we have to

strategically weaken russia and this is part of deterrence, so in today's reality, when ivan supplies russia with weapons, we have to strategically weaken it, this is also our strategic interest mr. pavla, the crimean platform was also held today, and volodymyr zelenskyi spoke on this crimean platform. he said that the format of the crimean platform could be a starting point for others platforms that will contribute to the de-occupation of the territories that were once enslaved by the russian federation from transnistria and instructions to the northern territories, er, i mean the kuril islands. territories, why other states do not use the present moment, because it seemed that

in this situation, in the confrontation between russia and ukraine, the countries which or the territories, rather, which are under occupation, will definitely play in particular there transnistria and abkhazia and why do you think they don't use it? maybe they use it differently and the call to use today's moment is absolutely correct, it supports with two hands of course the mechanism of the platform cannot be simply copied. context and different meaning, but what is happening around the koin islands, we see that there is no continuation of negotiations, it is the breaking of even human contacts, well, in russia, people are no longer just

they are valued and despised. that is to say, it is clear that abkhazia must have its own logic, but for all territories, there must be a solution and there must be a mechanism , and this is, of course, a very, very correct story, what if there were emotions, there was an organization of people, there were forces that in exile, they are working on de-occupation, they had systematic support, and in the end, it is necessary to leave ukraine with all these clubs that they try to use against everyone to create problems and then watch, you know, with such inhuman pleasure, how people suffer in in different regions, they have such a specific form of satisfaction that is typical of russian, so use the moment absolutely and we must support all those who

fight for freedom and independence and these should not be empty words and there are many forums that are now taking place, both public and non-public, and the forum of the free of the peoples of russia, there is only one to remember, so we have to support all this, because you remember once one of the classics of marxism and leninism said that first something small and then a flame, and so even the motto was in some soviet newspapers police officers, you are on fire. oh, that's exactly what you need to do in this case, that's why this is this call. i support it with both hands. we don't have much time left. unfortunately, i'm on the air, but i'll ask you a question about ichkeria. the verkhovna rada of ukraine voted to recognize chechnya, e.e. chechnya

occupied by russia. does this mean ukraine's recognition of the independence of ukraine? well, what about me? we have to systematically approach the collapse of today's russian regime, and i am absolutely sure, it is my sincere belief that the collapse of this regime is will benefit the people of russia, they will be able to take their fate into their own hands and let others, in particular , the ukrainian nations also decide their own fate, we must consistently fight for it why only points, since there are actually many such movements, this is a question for of course, what we say about the kuru

islands is what we say about others. this clearly means that we do not recognize russia in today's borders, because russia is attacking us. and why should we recognize today's russia, that is, here is the logic absolutely simple, the only thing i would certainly warn against, since there may be an insidious plan of the kremlin behind this - is an attempt to somehow then accuse us of supporting radical islamic structures, which may somehow be striving and joining this struggle, in particular there it may be al-kaya is coming, it can be an idiocy in such a way that even if russia does not point the finger that we support some islamic radical

structures, i think that if they invented a dirty bomb , then they will quickly spread this story as well but we are ukrainians. we are wise people and have already explained a lot to the world. the world understands that and what we are about. now it is beginning to understand who the russians are and what they are about. victory is for us . e politician and diplomat. well, it was the verdict program with serhiy rudenko . subscribe to our social networks. subscribe to youtube and facebook. we will meet tomorrow at 17:10. we will talk about the news of the day with our experts. goodbye battle for bakhmut the russian army concentrated on bakhmut