radical structures think that if they invented a dirty bomb, they will quickly spread this story, but we are ukrainians. we are wise people and have already explained a lot to the world . thank you, mr. pavla. it was pavlo klimkin, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, a politician and diplomat. well , it was serhiy rudenko's program. subscribe to our social networks, subscribe to youtube and facebook. we will meet tomorrow at 5:10 p.m. we will talk about the news of the day with our experts . goodbye. battle for bakhmut. the russian army has concentrated

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us on the internet, do not forget to subscribe, like , and, as usual, just leave your lines, remarks, questions, comments in the chats under the broadcast. well, let's start with donetsk bakhmut to during the war, more than 80,000 people lived there, and now it is the fiercest battlefield for donbass, and in general , russian forces have concentrated a large number of infantry and artillery in the area of ​​the city of bakhmut - this is practically the only place today where russian forces are trying to attack and move forward, a radio correspondent works in donetsk region svoboda maryan kushnir he is directly communicating with us maryana my greetings, what is your situation in donetsk region well, what do you know about the situation around bakhmut? well, it has been a month in a row that russian troops they are trying to storm bakhmut and the outskirts of bakhmut. at the same time, the city of solidar and neighboring villages, settlements, russian troops are deploying small groups with reinforced

armored vehicles and trying to enter both the city and surround this place in order to e- cut off the supply of weapons or equipment and the self-logistics carrier of the armed forces of this ukraine, so the russian troops cannot pass through it and here we can rightly say that russia has thrown practically all its forces such summer units as pvt. wagner, are they all the same kadyrovs? they try together with the mobilized to disturb the positions of the armed forces, and yet, again, to no avail. the city itself was stormed already in the street battles of the city. however, the ukrainian military rejected a-a forces from their positions , i will leave them, and in addition, as you know

, the general staff reported that on the outskirts fortunately, the ukrainian troops pushed back the russian troops for 2 km. however, the fighting continues and continues with the use of artillery rocket systems of salvo fire. of a large caliber of 152 mm in order to elementary stop a group of e-e gathering of troops, a group of infantry trying to storm the front edge of e-e and here is also such a situation that all this is complicated by the fact that the rains have been active in this direction for the last week. and this rich donetsk soil is soggy

and it is very difficult to move in this area, this makes it difficult not only for the armed forces of ukraine, but also for russian troops, but the situation remains extremely difficult, and it is difficult because of what the city of bakhmut is subjected to shelling from the artillery of the rocket system of salvo fire, it is known that yesterday the city was specifically shelled and civilians were wounded and civilians were killed, the exact number is still difficult to establish the city so far is being shelled and they fly there every minute, every minute some uh projectile is there with the rest of the armed forces of ukraine and keeps the crows working for him every day in spite of the fact that despite their exhaustion , some optimism remains and this optimism they pass on to their relatives, they just want to convey greetings from the front line, despite the fact that they may be nearby now, and i think that it is worth giving them such a word, hello, i have girls, my brother, my sister,

i give to all my relatives, well, what, well, i sell hello to all acquaintances with two session sisters of one and the other to my parents, to my beloved, to all my friends, everything is on top, my brothers are aunt alinka, i love you, i miss you very much. everything will be fine, everything will be fine, despite the difficult situation that is developing around bakhmut, it is difficult and in other directions, this donetsk avdiyivka and er, the siversky direction, after all , the ukrainian troops in some places, the process is progressing, later it is obvious that the general staff of the armed forces of this ukraine, and at the moment the situation here in donetsk region is the same, please, thank

you very much, maryan kushnir, correspondent of radio svoboda who currently works in donetsk region well, meanwhile, in the occupied melitopol of the zaporizhzhia region , an explosion rang out this morning near the building from which russian media are relayed or were relayed , the mayor of the city, ivan fedorov, reported this, according to preliminary data, right next to the premises where russian mass media is relayed, a car exploded - fedorov said , according to russian media reports, a self-defense improvised explosive device planted in a car went off near the building of the television company in the tv in the building has broken windows, because it is not equipment. well, it is also reported that at least five people were injured as a result of this explosion. the kremlin-appointed zaporizhian occupation authorities called the melitopol explosion a terrorist attack. well, the ukrainian mayor of the city, ivan fedorov, said that the kremlin propagandists had smoked melitopol, i will remind you. has been under the control of russian troops since february 25, well, in fact, from the very beginning. well

, civilians from the occupied kherson region arrived in the occupied crimea in kherson region as part of of the so-called evacuation organized by the regional government appointed by the kremlin, people came by bus to the city of dzhankoi, listen to what they say, we are lucky, then we will go home, rest and go home . the animals

did not stay there calmly, you can say that they will shoot you, the set was excellent, everything arrived well, quickly, well, calmly . assured that nothing is blocking kherson, the rhetoric changed this week, in particular, when general serhiy surovikin, who was recently appointed commander of the russian forces in ukraine, said that difficult decisions could be made regarding kherson and called on the population to leave. meanwhile, the american institute for the study of war in its current report suggests that the ukrainian military will probably take control of the right bank of the kherson region by the end of this year, researchers note that russian forces are probably preparing to defend kherson and do not withdraw completely from the

right bank part of the region, despite previous reports of withdrawal, while analysts emphasize the position of russian forces in the kherson region are probably very vulnerable. well , roman svitan, colonel of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine, joins the air. good evening. i wish you health. well, let's meet kherson region then we will start some experts say that russian forces are preparing to surrender the right bank part of the region and others say that they are actually preparing for battles and as an argument cite the fact that the occupying authorities of the region even announced the creation of a ground defense, and there is such a version that elite russian units will be transferred to the left bank, and the local population will be mobilized there or the ground defense will be taken to protect the right bank. well, in order to somehow slow down the advance of the ukrainian forces that you version is closer, what do you generally think about the prospect of the liberation of kherson

oblast . the elite active troops are leaving, which are the stock line units of the russian army , which are being thrown into a meat grinder under the attack of the ukrainian troops. and the so-called partially mobilized are crossing to the right bank, which are not yet ready and are not undergoing training near kherson in certain places. mainly this career and i equipment for training grounds eh there are a couple also some parts of the partially mobilized forces to change into civilian clothes they remain in kherson and as soon as they will they will portray the so-called anti-terrorist forces and er volunteers who will er cover under the kherson flag and protect people from er advancing ukrainian troops

, of course ryazan will be found on the corpses of these provolts farm and voronet passports well , you share what the institute for the study of war says in its research, even the last one, let's take today's report that it is very likely that the right bank will be liberated by the end of the year how many troops will be on the right bank transferred by the russians a couple of months ago when it was cool on the right bank to go up to 15,000 people, it was possible to talk about the fact that we would liberate the kherson region in a few weeks at the most during the winter , well, after the russians transferred the same amount of troops to the right bank increased to almost 30,000 russian troops on the right bank, and naturally this process was delayed for a certain time, since the ukrainian

troops need to reduce the density of russian troops with their fire, which was done recently at the same time, the same process is taking place, decreasing the implotnosti troops by the destruction method. with this amount , which is now on the right bank, which is not 20,000 e-e 7 can be put somewhere in a month and a half. that is, i think not even until the end of the year, but somewhere already at the end of november, it will be possible to talk about that more now the kherson region will be special and the ukrainian army will be circling kherson and the hand that will remain in kherson will be protected by the introduction of street fighting, it will already be destroyed

again . - there are such troops that will liberate kherson in ukrainian, they are prepared , prepared, entered into battle in city buildings, later, i think in a couple of weeks, they will clear the city. well, then, now, to, to, donetsk region we started from donetsk region, the heaviest battles are going on in the donbas from, namely, to bakhmut in the direction of bakhmut, and this is the only location we see now, where russian troops are carrying out some kind of offensive, but at the same time, experts have different assessments of whether russian forces will be able to break through to bakhmut and some say that yes, others say that no, what do you say, well, on the donetsk location, on the front, which is in the region of donetsk and luhansk, it is possible to say that along the entire length of the fronts during the russianization of life , certain offensive actions are carried out есть ето марянка район киевская под е-

е донецком также avdeevka severov avdeevka ето sever horlovky movements to bakhmut district of the very bakhmut solidar е-е revenge determined movements of russians to belohorovka from the side of lysichanskaya also try from the side of the estuary to the side of the estuary on torgskaya and there is determined, er, two attempts by the russians, well, this is from the side of the svatov to kupyansk, all these naturally offensive actions are angered by the ukrainian troops, and er, any such movement of the russians is practically stopped, even including the latter at the time, the ukrainian troops were received in the bakhmut area under the fortifications, fresh units arrived, artillery and er ammunition arrived, which is very important, that

is our troops m-m e-e ask to stop the attack of the russians, this is the uprising of a person wagner e-e barbarian units so-called m-m, that’s what the chesniks call them e-e ask to stop the movement they have a constant , that is, literally connecting one or two attacks are being carried out in the direction of bakhmut on the entire pre-decision of the front in the area of ​​bakhmut, somewhere 10-20 km, but nevertheless, the ukrainian army is fulfilling the task, they bought these units in the area of ​​bakhmut and then there is simply destruction, you just mentioned the wagnerites, i will remind you that at the beginning of october, the washington post wrote about that, referring to their data, they wrote about the fact that american intelligence received information that

there is a person in putin's circle who pointed out his mistakes directly to him, and then it was reported that the name of this person unknown, but already today there was information about washington, who is this person - it is prigozhin, yes, journalists refer to their sources in the government yevhen prigozhin, the founder of wagner's communist party, tell me, what is the role of the wagnerites in the war now ? it was said earlier that they were mainly focused on donetsk region. what is their role? what is their role? what is the most noticeable result of their presence? a private military company did not mainly develop on the so- called diamond money and diamond purchases when certain merchants and russians, including the ones with real surnames, went to africa and further eh eh tried somehow to participate in the diamond business, i had to bring my own eh my eh eh

combat parts and were used parts of the so- called retired chief development management at the ministry of the general staff of the russian army, mrs. utkin, this is one of the founders of the wagner silencer corps, colonel, that is, er, in these parts, there are already insurgents, they er, were gathered and fulfilled the task of protection er and defense er these objects in africa, mainly this chat, there is a voice, and then it is already ready, this kind of private companies were involved, and in ukraine, they are also engaged in the main tasks, just uh, defense, or at the moment - this for the warfare of some units. well, where there is a possible dependence of such, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

uh , uh, area they are engaged in the most hunting this kind of pressure, let's say that the enterprises were in africa. it is still happening in africa, and we are also seeing it in the struggle. the southern part and then i will now tell you the name of this area, you will immediately recognize bakhmut raisin and balakleya - this is the autumn of this area, that is , eh. in this beginning of the yumzov square there more than one trillion cubic meters of plankovy glazov - shale gas, and therefore this is

a non-contiguous component precisely for the wagner group, and of course the second task for them is to take the water pipeline, which lies behind the bahmut in the chasov yara district, and a drain from the hippopotter and the town this is seversky donetsk in the area of ​​slavyansk to horlovka and further to the upper kalmer water reservoir area of ​​donetsk, there is no water in donbas, therefore they already have two tasks at the same time, that is, they need to go to the water supply and it is necessary to occupy the site itself - it will not be done like this further. well, at least at dinner, he is drawing such problems in the production of gas, on which gas-bearing lands there, if it is one trillion, the minimum is to be occupied - so realistically, it is around three trillion cubes, that is, roughly, at prices not e.g. $1,000 for 1,000 cubic meters and about three trillion dollars, that is, this is the money for which a private company, so to speak,

will start a war later, i will simply summarize the wagnerites and prigozhin himself have additional incentives to be in the donetsk direction and to continue the war, if i understood you correctly, the only incentive is the tvc wagner, that is, they are fighting for the future, for the future, the livestock, and naturally they want to occupy this territory in order to carry out such a type of work, such as mining , who is in that part, thank you very much roman svetan, a reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, was on radio svoboda who and how guided missiles aim at ukrainian civilian objects the insider publication balinket and derzhpigel published a joint investigation about the secret unit of the main computing center of the armed forces of the russian federation with the abbreviated gotz, which

is engaged in guiding high-precision missiles at targets in ukraine, journalists in ukraine came to the conclusion that military engineers of this unit guided missiles, including at civilian and energy infrastructure objects, during a series of massive shelling of ukrainian cities which began on october 10, in order to calculate the employees of this secret unit, journalists analyzed the data of thousands of graduates of the leading military institutes of russia that specialize in rocket engineering and a whole range of instructions . as it turned out, those graduates who, after graduation, entered the service of the gots were registered at the official address of the russian general staff, moscow , znamyanka street, building 19. types, such as the provision of it services or automation, the authors of the investigation studied the data of the telephone conversations of the head of the gots, major general robert baranov. they showed that every time before russia launched cruise missiles over ukraine, baranov

calls were received from the same number, according to the journalists, the number belongs to colonel ihor bagniuk, after investigating the purpose of these calls to mudniuk, the investigators calculated a whole unit of 33 military engineers and it specialists who are subordinate to mudniuk, they are men and women, about 30 years old, the unit consists of three teams each of them programs the flight trajectories of one type of high-precision missiles e cruise missiles-caliber sea-launched cruise missiles r500 for land-based kandar complexes and x-101 air-based cruise missiles, according to the data of the phone records of the mudguard and his sub, since october 2, the activity of calls increased and reached a peak on october 9. literally a day before the massive russian strikes on ukraine, journalists managed to find out, contact the gunners , identify their phone numbers, but they denied any connection with the russian shelling

of ukraine, they said that they work on a pig farm or as plumbers or bus drivers, or one said that he owns a flower shop, consequences how realistic is it to bring to justice, so to speak, those perpetrators of crimes who do not make any statements or threats, but simply do their work? how is this group of 30 employees and their actions also related to the deaths of civilians people in ukraine, let's talk about it later , oleg gavrish, consultant of the department of organizational work of the office of the head of the office of the president of ukraine, joins the broadcast, we are greetings to you. i will explain to our viewers why we are talking about this with you. you too you are engaged in communications in the president's office on the creation of a tribunal for russia, oleg, have you seen this investigation? what impression did it have on you? and in general, how many other such secret units do you think there are in russia that do not openly

testify but are directly related to crimes? well, first of all, i want to say that this investigation is a kind of gift for the international criminal court, which is currently working in ukraine and is collecting data, including those related to these attacks , precisely these missile attacks on ukraine that were at the beginning of october, that is, apart from khan, the head of this court said that he was planning an investigation, and that in this investigation it would be found out who did it, and these people will be tried, that is, as war criminals, because they were measured goals because it's generally me i'm a mandatory crime what happened and what's happening now and that's specifically for him i understand and now there's a gift blinket from an insider who has already named these people, that is, an investigation if

you read it, of course not enough for to convict only on this, so to speak, going only on this, all the guilty, but it is enough to give them suspicion and write out orn, the rest is enough for this, and then they should be already, well, the interrogated should be some other evidence was found in addition to those cited in this investigation, and i am sure that it will still be possible to quickly establish the law and, er, it will be possible to convict them for what they are doing. that is, they are war criminals, and these are people, that is, i understand that this is enough to they sat down on the dock and then already there the court can give in order for them to be arrested quite enough because the data is given that says that there is a suspicion of an unauthorized person who has a

reason for them to be he is accused and he is arrested but the international criminal court still has to work on this - this is his parish, it is a very professional court and we fully trust him and i am sure that he will deal with this, this is an investigation, this will help him, this is the first , the second i want to say about all these people who are there, including this baranov mud and others, they will never be able to go to more than one country in the world after this investigation, because , i think that, well, they can be there for six months or not . a little more and they will be accused officially, and it will be protection and arrest from the point of view of the international space station, this means that if they even go to turkey somewhere to go on holiday, a warrant will be issued and interpol will look for them and they

can be arrested, so for them it is, so to speak, everything, that is, i am not in vain i asked at the beginning we don't know how many other secret units there really are, which are not publicly known, but whose existence we may not guess about. well, that's fine. here's one case that was told by journalists, if you're a journalist. law enforcement officers have to meticulously build a number of different units there, investigate their activities and, well , suspect them, or hmm, it is possible to suspect them of some crimes against ukraine, that is, or someone is dealing with this purposefully. i want to say that they are dealing with this. we now have, for example, such a book of cats. where is the site? if you go to it, you will see

there 1,300 russian criminals who have committed a war crime, war crimes. i apologize , war crimes and what exactly are they? all the data about them. that is, it is given, their passports, photos, where they are, biographies, phones, even everything that is needed. and these are only those people about whom there is 100% confidence . to talk about others, if we talk about those who are suspected in general, there are 1,000 people. that is, there are about 15,000 people who are only suspected of having committed these or other war crimes , so they are very, very fruitfully engaged in this . first of all, gurmina vorona is also involved in the investigative bodies, that is, the sbu

, there are other investigative bodies, it’s all managed by the prosecutor’s office. they have all this data, and if the international criminal court asks, there is an exchange of information with it, and they cooperate. all together for in order to punish it arose and none of those who committed the crime will be able to uh, they won't be able to get out of the water dry because i don't know if there is a washing machine there or even a toilet, besides, it can be said there that a person can still somehow get out of the water with such people, but the people who are behind the mass murders will never do it because a lot of people were beaten. who raped and people who