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good evening, my name is mykola veresen, vitaly the porter is not sitting next to me, he is a little busy, so tonight you will be with me, you will not look at me they are already waiting for us, and i will tell you right away that you need to ask questions. if you want to ask questions, ask them there. everyone, everyone, who watches more or less regularly. they know how to do it. well, today we will talk about the war, of course, about energy and international affairs. as always, when there are international affairs , there is no energy, as always. well, not everywhere. well, in the war, i hope we get another victory. so, roman svitan, a military expert, a colonel of the reserve of the armed forces . ukraine and the military pilot-instructor and vladyslav seleznyov , a military express colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, we are ok exactly at three and we will talk. thank you for

finding the time on friday evening, more precisely, almost at night at night , mr. roman, thank you, mr. vladislav, thank you thank you very much, you found the time, if i were in your place, i wouldn't talk about all kinds of heathers for beer well, you see how we differ from each other, which means let's think together about what we can think about, look, i would like mr. roman and mr. vladyslav i was answered first, mr. roman, this idea with a dirty bomb that mr. putin is talking about, what i understand by a dirty bomb is that it practically does not exist. the word bomb is a charge. there is no such thing as an atomic e-e. this is this

this is not happening, it's all just that you stuffed a lot of radioactive material, then the explosive explodes as it should and this substance is radioactive. it just spreads, it's not , it's not, it's not hiroshima, and it's not chernobyl. it's just an explosion and this radiation spreads to nearby distance, it's not an explosion, it's not a chain reaction, oh, i forgot, i finally remembered this word, a chain reaction can't happen there, you can't do a chain reaction at home, just on a frying pan somewhere, but i see it waving so actively by the head, vladyslav gives him the first word, please excuse me, mr. roman, please, it is absolutely obvious that the same bomb we are talking about is a bomb made in kolinka, on one side there is a container of a

reactive substance, on the other side, the same explosive substance is attached to it that explodes and the more powerful the explosion will be, the further it will fly on the wheels, the same explosive, er, radioactive substance of course, er, about the same chain reaction that you mentioned, which is in the classic atomic bomb , about yours, which you are also not there, but what such a thing can be done by any country that has nuclear energy in its assets - it is without a doubt and it is obvious that putin is trying to convince the world community in this way that ukraine does not have a real purely atomic bomb , so it will try to create mountains for the citizens of ukraine, in fact, because it is about an explosion and a dirty thing happened on the territory of ukraine, which is currently under russian occupation, this is all a matter of time. nevertheless, putin is trying to

tell the whole world that ukraine will resort to such provocations are full of delusions, which is what the leaders of the countries and the collective there are j7 and other countries that have been in touch with the documentation, with the same thing that i want to generate, it is absolutely obvious that the ukrainian authorities and the ukrainian defense forces will not deal with such a stupid thing, mr. roman, i will clarify a little with you. see this means that there will be no immediate reaction. well, i imagine the worst case scenario : this dirty bomb explodes somewhere, and all the soldiers are alive and well, they will die from radiation, some tomorrow, some in a week, some in six months, some in a year. for strategy or for tactics, it does not matter because it exploded here, so to speak, the victims will not be the same as in hiroshima, nagasaki, and then at the

operational level, and at the tactical level, not at the strategic level. this bomb is meaningless, do i understand it correctly or not? and this is an element of blackmail, but the fact is that dirt bombs are called any radioactive contamination of the spraying area by any means, even if it is an explosion, even if it is simply from an airplane or, er, threw a shovel on the fan, they sprayed a radioactive substance, radioactive contamination of course, all of it was covered by the radioactive air that rose up, it dragged the air down to the ground, and here it is, here is a petal, eh, this is a zone of future alienation, eh, which will need to be activated with certain eh means, basically, it then takes away a certain layer of soil, a few eh -е m 1.5-2, depending on what

kind of soil will fall into the ground somewhere, that is, it is uh-uh, some place, uh-uh, a few kilometers are allowed, a maximum of ten km exclusion zone no more there is such a kind of action by itself purely in the pure form er, er, er, blackmail, either, or maybe it can be an invitation to some kind of negotiation about this. and he will talk. let's call. and here is the question . this bomb will be sprayed, this is a problem of simply alienating the territory, no more than that, and a small problem even for those troops on which it will be distributed, it will be sprayed, as there is a certain mode of deactivation and, in principle, protection against such a bomb or for activation as ready

that is, there are big problems, and it will not even bring it to the peaceful population. there is a problem connected, for example, with detonation a-a or with detonation or the use of containers for detonation at e-e nuclear waste sites. at the zaporozhye nuclear power station, there is a nuclear waste landfill, and an explosion at this landfill will be. well, it can be quite a powerful infection, since there is a lot of m-m, more than 150 or 120 e-e, contained in the storage of nuclear fuel, that's it it's a big problem, but mr. roman, those who want to blow it up are also exposed to danger, that's right, that is, you have to go to these containers, somehow open them, or put some explosives nearby, or well, i'm just trying to imagine what the russians can do. i understand that

there is no there is not enough imagination to get into putin's head and what is he, but still, can they shoot from a distance somewhere from somewhere there and it will explode and sow this radiation everywhere p roman , please yes, this is what will be, er, dirt bombs, that is they'll just fire good concrete hammers and fire extinguishers at the training ground and it will already be a mud bomb, of course it will rise to a certain place five tens of meters up, it will drop down, there will be a certain small infection zone, including, well, it's possible with a remote, remotely, like that blow up now, by the way, according to the information of our intelligence, the russian troops are carrying out no, and engineering er actions at this training ground because of that, and by the way, they don’t let inspectors go there because of that, and um,

ours are now watching precisely their actions мобить быть одной страных и хорошо, and what is russia? no, this question was raised at all, they drew attention to it, and we will continue to follow it, uh, what they are doing on this polywood, so now you, mr. vladyslav, something, today, something drew me there to nuclear energy and not only energy, look, in the last two days i just tried to study it there, i read something, watched, listened and here are a few such thoughts, i would ask you both , but for the first time, vladyslav got to share his and what he told him that there were training launches ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads, we don't know whether they were nuclear or just dummies, and from other sources it is known that there were seven launches and seven failures, all seven launches that were this week, all seven failed. and then the second question arises, and there are people who say that this thesis about the

mutual guaranteed destruction of the ussr and the united states, and now russia and the united states, is no longer valid, because the americans know 150,000 times more about everything that is happening in russia, in particular because of the war that began in 2014, intelligence overheard somewhere they say that in the 16th year, ukraine from yuzh masha, from all its plants, half, if not 2/3 of the nuclear potential was created in ukraine , it transferred everything to the united states, and the united states knows a little about the valley and how , knowing this, they can counter sorry for the long question but it's worth it i think everyone wants to discuss the bucket war and now it's not

guaranteed in this case russia will be destroyed part of europe will be destroyed america may remain either not at all narrowly intact or very limited damaged and in this way start a tactical strategic if war is any kind of confrontation not beneficial for the russians they will lose under all conditions all the more i emphasize these seven unsuccessful launches that i would you p vladislava these absurdities mykola september commented let's in order well first of all carry out another training yes the so-called nuclear triad, russian troops, we heard only from the statements of the kremlin, according to the ministry of defense of the russian federation, that all the launches of strategic e-e carriers of nuclear weapons were successful. is it really so no one knows, because we know, but we know the key thing is that a fake country often produces fakes, and here there is

absolutely no . why did ukraine give up nuclear weapons at one time, because at that time there was a question that it was too expensive and rather troublesome to store the same nuclear weapons in our funds because we need certain algorithms and procedures and storage and certain things must happen algorithms for its renewal, that is, it is quite expensive and a difficult matter, this is the question: does the russian federation now have the same nuclear weapons with which it constantly blocks the entire planet? it is an open question. it is known about the volume of the volume of the number of the same operational nuclear warheads that the russian federation currently possesses and that

it can use them as intended and that they will work, and here you have absolutely clearly noted whether actually has nuclear weapons of the russian federation, maybe not, but the verification of the practice is a matter of such a thing, because the risk of the existence of the planet is actually increased now, it is quite so thin powerlessness, but in any case, the process that can be applied by the countries of the collective action in one of the broadcasts, mr. roman emphasized that that if the same united states of america uses non-nuclear weapons against opponents, those weapons, for example, the same e-e missiles of the tomograph class, will be enough to destroy absolutely everything military infrastructure on the territory of the russian federation, because we are talking about several thousand rockets that hit e-e, in contrast to the same k-22 class rockets that are often used today. did the russian occupying

army recently use the same tomahawks, they are effective, they are vulnerable and in such a way that after such a mass smell, in general, his russian federation will not have an army left, mr. roman, is there anything to add, or am i right when i am here at the crucifixion, who was thinking that we do not know the reality of what is underground, what in these nuclear traditions, as vladyslav kopan, vladyslav said. that is, it is boat submarines, it is land based, and it is air based on aircraft on such large ones. is there anything to add, mr. roman , practically nothing, mr. vladyslav practically said the only thing that i will correct you. ученийых are not used. that is, if they were launched, they showed the launch of the belt, but it is not clear what time and when it was produced, but the russians could not launch missiles at all. the fact is that the rocket

there are very few of them now, they used a large number of missiles in the war with ukraine, so i think there may even be an escape, they hope that the russians now do not have nuclear weapons , but they are in certain countries all the same, it comes out in proportions and is built, however, some basic, especially sea -based munitions, they maintain constant full combat readiness, because the sailors in this sense know exactly and possess information , so that it does not uh, i can't sleep here with you i don't agree, there won't be a nuclear war, no one will bombard russia with nuclear bombs , as mr. vladyslav is right, there are enough high-precision weapons that are on the

battlefield of the nato countries in order to completely a few hours days will reset the entire russian army, that is, there will be destroyed places, logistics lines, places of assembly of nuclear weapons and carriers, because i think they are just afraid of a nuclear war, but for sure, there will be no, one more question , again, p vladyslav, see what i am i read that these repair or preventive works were not carried out four times when we had to carry them out, that is, it stands as i imagine. it is not a military missile, and there, relatively speaking, once every 10 years, technological engineers and specialists should go there to see and lubricate. i don’t know whether to refuel or something do say yes she can still work and still stand like this has not happened

four times and what is standing there underground is absolutely incomprehensible, i agree with mr. roman here what can really be that in severodvinsk in there are nuclear boats in the north sea, maybe they are somehow doing something preventively, but those with mobile bases are driving around siberia. or are they underground ? how to carry out or not to carry out these regulatory works and in america there is intelligence. that is , we can at least specialists, not i can and not you, some generals there or at least zaluzhny and zelenskyy give instructions and say listen, we can to understand what is underground there, is there scrap metal , or is there something that can fly, mr. roman, you can

draw a parallel, let's say, from the same level of technology, and well, if you take the s300, these are old rockets of which there are several thousand pieces and of which you got such warehouses as what you are saying now - э now they use э-э not even in the mode э-э ground air in the ground-ground mode that is, if the rocket came out of the mine from the tube, it will fall at some point, it can fall immediately after exiting, it can explode through the subway, it can reach to eh points eh that are hammered into it eh, it is possible to say that somewhere at least 25-30% of the rocket does not reach the declared points, that is, starting from the fact that the rocket itself does not go down and naturally eh ending by the fact that it does not get there,

well, that is, it is located in approximately the same mode. and all the rockets, the latest missile equipment of the russian troops, and those of the ground-based ones, or even closer to such ones, are not within any limits. because it is not the same missile technology, it is not equipped with warheads, and the warhead is located in places the storage of the so-called warheads there is a specific category according to the refritor of these warheads themselves according to the warheads themselves , the more so there is no assembled state, that is, it is eh, there are also places of assembly, eh, that is, they themselves pass through the warhead in a certain way, but the missiles are hardly special after the fact that after the 14th year, a really large number of rockets were serviced by russian inter-continental tourist missiles, serviced by our dnipro factory, which produced and produced these rockets, naturally

, the maintenance of these missiles was stopped. intelligence that the service continues to take place in the mode of signatures, just signatures of documents that extend the time of their use and no more, but again, there is no point in checking them, we will just understand for ourselves that every third rocket does not perform his combat task is at least one more question, roman. and she may not complete her task in the mine, this is my dream that he presses the button, someone, then the second, the third , the 15th. there is no regulation, it explodes just where it is standing and there are problems for the russian

federation , this is such a dream, i have such a dream. your dream will come true, most likely, and there will not be a natural nuclear explosion, as there are certain limits to the build -up of the charge, which prevents a nuclear explosion from starting a reaction, but this is precisely such an effective detonation of fuel. on these rockets will be very beautiful see well, i don't think that they want to see it themselves, who knows, maybe they are aesthetes, they like such an explosion and are beautiful. i don't know, i don't rule out mr. vladislav, now mr. roman and i are transferred to ourselves from russia to ukraine, what is happening in the south. i ask mr. vladislav in first of all, what is the main question? well, they say i braked for counterattack. i don't want this word anymore, i just want attack. i don't like contrast because of weather conditions.

weather conditions. i understand that you are a pilot and you have cold conditions there, but this is a real problem to move troops on land during the rains, this means that sooner or later the ukrainian army will simply stop or not. are we trying to deceive someone, for example, the same russian troops are not advancing quickly , so why does the weather have such an effect on modern management war vat and by definition i am still more of a military sailor by profession, that is, well, to a certain extent, it is the same for me as eh and eh for those who walk the seas in any testament of which in the everyday conditions of winds and eh drain and as for

the ground forces of the opponents, first of all, the armored vehicles, in fact, the very rains that are currently occurring on the territory of our country, in particular in the south, slow down to some extent, including the ukrainian counteroffensive, because it is extremely difficult to move through our fields and fields, and those fields are sufficiently located in that luxurious condition due to constant rains, but to use e-e on a road with a hard surface, everything is okay and this option works, our equipment can move, i think that first of all our counteroffensive slows down because of weapons and ammunition to those weapons, because it is obvious that the right ukrainian counteroffensive is effective and successful when we have a sufficient number of 155-caliber projectiles for the corresponding characteristics of the systems and the highways-class missile, with the help of which we can see the enemy with complex ammunition where they keep their equipment,

command points, communication points, respectively , logistic and infrastructure facilities, such as bridges or fountain-bridge crossings across the dnieper , with which they provide the same groups of russian troops operating on the right bank of the dnieper. by the way, another factor that affects the rate of advancement of the ukrainian villages is the struggle within the framework of the contour means. this is an extremely large number of the same synthesizers of the russian occupiers, about 30,000 for this kilo, many specialists because those who touch to the ukrainian ministry of defense, namely they claim that about 30,000 russian troops, which are now concentrated on the right bank of the dnieper , began to form the backbone of these units, this oleksandr the assault units of the russian occupation army are also their market fortresses, and the motorized rifle units are the same guardsmen, and there are also tankmen, as well as guardsmen, that is, the entire salt of the russian army that is participating in the so-called special military operation now and operates on

the right bank of the dnieper to them now for the last two weeks have added the same scumbags to the partially mobilized citizens of the russian federation who, to a certain extent, have replenished the battle order, because part of those on which the ukrainian accordions were built, again, we remember the key thing that 90% of russian losses in this war, the war as artillery , uh, russia on the genes, first of all, from uh, our work of our artillery, therefore, there are several factors that affect the uh slowing down of the ukrainian counteroffensive, but the fact that the ukrainian code here will continue and we a we know today even uh, again, a new package of military-technical assistance from our or american friends has been worked out, that is, in the near future there will even be ammunition landings, and the ukrainian contrast will continue, mr. romana . once again, i apologize to vladyslav for confusing air and sea forces, only i could do it, and i apologize, roman, look. well, if they

showed us the map and vladyslav explained it, i’m just curious. but it’s the end, if anything, there is an environment, as i see it, and you can just sit and wait there for a week- two and they will either die or surrender, well, shoot at them according to the logistics, somehow destroy gradually what they have pantons there, i don’t think that panto-pantons can provide regular 30,000 troops or there are 25 even i just sit and think well, they drove themselves in some way, it seems uncomfortable to me. although i definitely did not lead the way, i will not tell you for sure here as an expert , but maybe you, as an expert, can tell me, mr. roman , what fate awaits this group of 20-30 thousand russian troops on the right bank of the dnieper in the

kherson region any movement according to the blocking of the bridgeheads by any bridgehead, whatever it was, it should lead to some further actions. that is, if russia did not start the right bank in the kherson area, they should have their own point of view and move further, that is, in the direction of odessa, or to voznesensk , to the so-called transnistrian republic, or anita. this is the supply system across the river, through which it was to take a bridgehead, and then the whole whole, this group will be in the cauldron and further destroyed. this is what is happening now. the russian council took the bridgehead on the right bank. next.

move, they don’t have enough troops, 30,000 - this is not the right combination that can perform the attack, not on odessa, not on the pmr, they can, in principle , look like, well, they will naturally burn in our uh, the ukrainian army will simply destroy them, uh , later on most likely russians, if you look purely from your point of view, the task is to hold this bridgehead for the next ones. it is possible to hold the bridgehead in different ways, that is , by digging in, holding certain permissible crossings . kherson or the area of ​​the kakhovskoye dam - this is the berislav area on the right bank, depending .