the transformation of germany into a backward agricultural country that simply physically due to its economic circumstances will never be able to recreate the army there and so on and the like and will be a threat that what is needed for russia today is the margentau plan than the marshall plan because those who tested the argentum counter-plan would answer me what is needed the leaders stroke even that criminal because if you don't stroke, you will get another hitler, and they do not give an example that precisely because of the fact that such a quasi margentau plan existed after the first world war, the second world war arose because they simply made germany guilty of everything and tried to turn it into such a backward country without an army, what should humanity do today? well, the first story

is such a whimsical lady, in any historical analogy it is lame, and if we want to extrapolate the experience of germany, regardless of whether it is kaiser or hitler 's, it will be the experience of russia not very correct, because there are absolutely different things, er, different circumstances, historical, political, mental, if you want, on the one hand, on the other hand, i think that what plan, let's say , of influence on russia or treatment of russia will be the chosen one will depend on what state russia will be in at the end. after this war, who will lead it, what will be the mood, it will depend not only on the aspirations, desires or considerations of the world there, democratic education is customary to speak civilized. and also on what russia imagines it will be crushed or she will be wounded but in a beastly way she will be weakened or

will she still be stable enough well she will be deprived of any significant future but she will be allowed to stay on her feet in the city will they be significantly supported by another country or will they or she really turn into a political exile? i think that the attitude plan for the future of russia will depend on what state it will be in at the end of the war and who will lead it will depend on this and as to how it should be treated in any case, i think that a-a russia, if it does not turn into a pariah, it will definitely turn into a sunday neighbor, partner, ally, as you like. and for a very, very, very long time, because even such countries what kind of politicians, many of them

fenced off russia and defended russia for a very long time, they were simply embarrassed by what happened starting from february 24, well, the most striking example is zeman , but you can give many other examples, and what will be the plan, i say once again that it will be depends on how much a-a will be felt in russia in terms of its economy, the armed forces and its vanity, this is also important. well, the last question or the last question or the last question. do you think that the potential of people, thoughts, ideas, understanding has already been created in ukraine some will allow to transform ukraine into a modern state, is there already that establishment, this officialdom, this officialdom, which understands that there is a window of opportunity in

order to quickly for foreign, american, european, japanese, i do not know other money to transform pass this transit zone from soviet post-soviet ukraine to european ukraine already exists for this, the foundations that will allow it to be done as quickly as possible, i understand that it is not a day, not two, not a year, not two, not three, not five, but there in 10-15-20 years to go some distance and transform at least abroad to ukraine to lithuania to poland to the czech republic and so on and so on and so on. there is already an understanding of where to go . "there appeared a

class or even a stratum of people who are able to quickly lead us to a happy future after we finally endure this harsh bloody war, but i would say that and the circumstances are now a fact and regardless of the losses, unfortunately, huge losses which we will take out the human ones as well first of all, the economic and infrastructure circumstances are such that we will have no other option. well, there simply won't be. and this is no longer a subjective thing. this is caused by the very nature of the war itself. why is this war for us, well, from the first day it was doomed to be victorious because

this war left us a chance, we had two options, either to die or to win, and that's actually changed the attitude of people to what is happening around in the broader sense of this word, it is not only about the black and white watershed between strangers and enemies, and there, between truth and wrong, between good and evil. this is an existential choice. there is another option: we will either perish, which no one wants and no one will strive for . the environment of people that is capable of doing this is not yet a stratum, it is even less a class, but the circumstances are created and finally created in the end not

in such a way that there will be a demand for these people and there will be more of them almost every day . and defense and intelligence that he gave us in the evening, almost friday night, such a long time. thank you sergey. well, i'm moving on to the questions. it's just time for me to start answering the questions, and they made me comments last time that i did not pronounce the question clearly, i pronounce it, i accept the remark by pronouncing it clearly. what task can such an agent sobchak have abroad? hysteria or true belief in the possibility of such a

confrontation, now it seems that i have read everything, so i am not convinced that she is an agent, why should she be called an agent, she works for herself she is not a poor person in her head, if she is in her father's. she left. i remember my father came to kyiv in 1991. right after the declaration of independence, when the nuclear weapons negotiations were going on , they started from ukraine, he did not understand anything about ukraine. he did not know anything. i understood about the rest of the countries, how they left the soviet union, for them, for everyone , these are the so-called people of the general democratic variety. that is, we are for everything good against everything bad, and you don’t need the estonian language, you want ukrainian, you want georgian that we will all honestly live with the russian language without eh eh eh how can we not hide in the

national apartment, this was the fashionable story then and this means that these imperial ideas and ideas exist and they exist i think russians exist, i am not i think that only sobchak has an agent, i don’t know why she is an agent, although you have to if you develop a strong, strong imagination, you can imagine it well, because her godfather is putin and putin’s ibis rate ibivka ebee agents agents well, in short. i don't know, i don't draw conclusions from one escape as father andrii points out here, i don’t know what the mode of action is, the latest propaganda reserves, well, i don’t know , the latest ones are not the latest ones at all, what can i find russian television, we will see a huge number of reserves that have not yet been used, but it is definitely some kind of bell, what does it mean, for this you need to be

very knowledgeable russian oligarchic circles i'm not that knowledgeable, i don't have any acquaintances like that now i'm not talking about friends who could say about putin's appeals to the global rooster and the rising of the planet regarding the joint struggle against measures - this is such anti-imperialists, this is a very funny story , anti-imperialist calls, that is, a country that is trying to rebuild an empire calls on others to fight against empires, well, recently, it really has been around 4-5 years, maybe more, maybe more well, somewhere so bright, it’s literally 4-5 years, but it started, we understand, a thousand years ago, or 500 years ago, uh, what they started luring

uh , former colonies into their tentacles. allies nowhere in europe, and you can hardly call china and india allies anymore, then you start looking somewhere in smaller countries and say that we are for you at all we are fighting imperialism because imperialism already wanted to conquer independent ukraine, and this is one people and we have become back well, it is impossible to systematize it in a shorter way, but russia simply went with putin’s words. well, once upon a time there was, so to speak, the first world, the second world, the third world, the countries of the third world, so- called then, everything was called the first world .

the so-called, but in fact, he is just a democratic, civilized second world, these were socialist countries - this is a project of socialism, and the third world , these were the so-called non-aligned countries - these are the poorest countries, and with his recent speeches in support of these problems, so to speak, putin if this third world transferred itself and russia from the second, here, conditionally speaking, china wants to move from the second, and maybe from the second dash to the third for the first time, and it does it quite skillfully, and it turns out, and russia moves from the second to the third world. well, okay, this is a choice. i didn’t even elect putin, the russians elected putin. well , what do you think? putin is the successor or will he die in a bunker. well, the commander-in-chief like hitler is a

good question. natalya, i don’t know at all. you always understand when we are dealing with democracy. democracy is predictable. authoritarian regimes are also very often predictable . predictability - this is the most important thing. we do not say that in the middle east all states are democratic, but some say. why does the united states, a democratic state, continue to deal with some the middle eastern states, which are not very democratic, to put it mildly, i will say why. because they are predictable, no one expected that some emir shah or someone else would suddenly come and say, let's make universal universal everything, universal suffrage , nobody expects anything, nobody expects tomorrow, freedom words will prevail there even though we will say the pity of the jazzer. well, in principle, it is not so bad

, that is why predictability, when there is unpredictability , conflicts arise. well, for example, for a long time, china sought to become a more democratic country by doing steps on the road to capitalism, and if everyone expected what would come of it, everyone predicted well, roughly, this is how the drift will be, then the problem of sindia of the gursk autonomous region, where the hungarians live , where the muslims live, began to take quite active actions of the central government of china , the persecution of these people, the creation of some camps which the world mass media writes about, this was not foreseen and the west began to criticize it, until this was not the case, the west criticized it, he understood that the ruling communist party was there she sits at the head well, no one

expects that the communist party will dissolve tomorrow, that's the story, that's why he said, and putin is unique because he's unpredictable. what's it leading to, and we don't know if he wants to end up like hitler, that's the only thing i think that he won't want to, like hitler, he has, you know. well, this is such a very slippery topic , i don't want to compare it, because hitler, you know, you have to have a certain courage to be hitler and much less courage to be putin. putin never took courageous steps yes at first, from the first day of his stay, he never said let's save under the boat kursk let's save the norddos whose anniversary is now

happening on october 26. i did not like the stay, the german people said that he was unworthy of such a giant as hitler, and i think that putin never respected the russian people. regarding the conditions for the return of light to ukraine and is a diplomatic invitation to negotiations everything that is happening now diplomatic and non -diplomatic and such and with which invitation to negotiations even the bombing of ukrainian cities and and and critical infrastructure is an invitation to negotiations and bells ringing that it is different minister defense as invitations and russia has become as

our dear experts explained to us today, either you are going forward or you are doomed simply military science knows nothing else and if uh now on the right on the banks of the dnieper there are 30,000 a-a russian troops actually hammering under the angry influence of the fire influence of the ukrainian army. if you believe the experts, they are doomed. what will you do next ? i don't know, but i don't believe that putin can shoot himself and i don't believe that they will be able to get out of this situation easily. it will not be easy. moreover , they were not in defense in 1942. in 1942, they won, we do not know how they know how to

defend themselves. they always entered the czech republic. let's add it, let's stop helping ukraine, the czech republic officially does not say so, but some people say so, but they forget the year 68 or the african military events in afghanistan, angola, mozambique, ethiopia, where the russian soviet troops were, or in the same afghanistan, it was always an advantage, a russian technological advantage airplanes against machine guns, well, you understand now they are in defense, i don’t know , they were in the 42nd year, count how many years ago, tens of years ago, they were not in defense. i have the impression that the russian doctrine does not provide defense in general. they don’t teach them to defend themselves.

i don’t know. i don’t know why. do you think that the statement seems to me to the conditions for the return of the light of ukraine to allow, yes, after the law in the usa to buy american, the forming tandem of france and germany to protect their interests has not yet affected the unity of such diplomatic quarrels regarding aid to ukraine, they will not affect, in short , they will not affect what we mean when we say unity regarding aid, this is some kind of disease ukrainian post-soviet unity and how is it all the soviet people in one impulse will never be like this, never like this, there is no like this, there is pluralism, there is a party, there are many, this one thinks so, this one

thinks differently, europe thinks so, but hungary is different. one will go somewhere dear and lenin stalin, i can’t it hurts, it hurts and we are worried about it but i understand that it will be like this and in this the power of western countries is that america is like this and britain is like that and europe is like that and in europe sweden is like that germany is like that italy georgia is like that, ukraine is different, that's why it's here, it 's here, and there's strength, but you see, strength is in unity. here's to you , russia helped him, that's all under one name. not the cabinet of ministers, he

decides everything and what, and there in europe, the discussion can be given , not given, and such weapons should be closed . china's plans for losing taiwan outright, others are playing as if china will rather take advantage of the weakened state of russia during the 8 months of war in ukraine and hit the territory of this aggressor as a hangover, gentlemen , do you think the high level of this scenario is zero , china has no interests to the north of itself, it will not do anything to invade there will he not invade, he will sit until russia itself brings him the key to siberia and they know that sooner or later it will bring china's interests in the southern seas and with the southern a-a territories there are such territories

that is, on the territory, there are such water possibilities for goods mass from all countries to all countries. this is a huge trade route, a sea route, and there china is trying to do something, it is trying to build artificial islands, it is trying to have aircraft carriers there so that they also go back and forth there not only american or british, but what should he do in siberia in the north, it is not known what to do there. all the more so since the russians will give everything anyway to bribe them. they don't need to be bribed, they will calmly sit and buy for conversations in russian on auto-russian gas, russian fur, russian wood and so on for nothing, and after a year i don’t know for a

penny there because the isolation of russia will lead sooner or later and next year exactly at this time here on this on this date next year, on the 23rd, there will be a huge problem, huge, the biggest in the world, that's why for russia, that's why russia, er, china, it's not a fact for china, the russians. factor when you yourself can give that you're like hitting me on the head, you know, even a bandit won't pull out a knife if he sees gas a person which is at a distance of 100 m, tell me you don't need a knife, i 'll give you 100 dollars anyway, then let me pull out a knife, they'll give it to me, don't think, and she published a new investigation, which was kidnapped by a secret group that manages the launch of rockets on the territory of ukraine, what do you think about it ? first of all, while in billinket, unlike rush , i have not lost my trust. i believe that i

have not made a mistake in the application form so far, so i don't know a lot about billinket, but i can't talk about it , so i and i will not but they were not wrong if they weren't wrong, they are a reliable source, they can be wrong, that's why you always have to leave a certain percentage. well, this issue is written in the law, but you and i have been for a very long time, and the whole world is thinking about the husky tribunal. the authorities will say, let's bring putin to trial, but the action is written in the law, is it roman law , are there any laws describing the actions of a secret

group that manages the launch of cruise missiles on the territory of ukraine. i don't know, i just don't know, maybe there is maybe they can be compared to simple murder, then they fall under the criminal code or this mass genocide or is it an aggressive war, such definitions are in the legislation of the international european un and so on, this is all. did not have and if the act is not recorded in the law, then the person is not condemned it is tricky the trick question is how probable is the threat of using russian tactical weapons against the background of the

dissemination of information from the ministry of defense of the russian federation about the alleged the preparation of ukraine, the use of a dirty bomb, what is a dirty bomb , why did russia issue this fake? everyone , what happened in chernobyl, yes, this is radiation, and it explodes and spreads across the territory near the explosion, it can be tens of meters, it can be hundreds , it can be kilometers, it is not a long distance, it is not a chain reaction, so it does not carry with it

you know, some kind of all-encompassing danger like hiroshima, nagasaki, chornobyl, ah, there are no such things , there is no such danger, but why didn't they come up with it, i don't know, i think they may have had some such idea, let's scare them, or maybe they want to to make some kind of dirt bomb, because today we talked about it, maybe there are simply remnants , remnants, radiation remnants, remnants - it's not three, it's not 30 g, it's a huge number of containers, if you throw a rocket or a bomb there, it can be spread, that's what i told this and can to be a dirty bomb that's all well, i think that ukraine will not do it and russia will also think hard because you know i always bring up this beautiful phrase stupid stupid stupid but cute nose

putin yes, he is stupid stupid and such keep me seven, i am everyone is attacked, but for some reason there is no cuteness, so i don’t know if they will dare to do such things, considering that the americans have already warned them 150 times and they will not be joking a-what language, what is the probability of a new offensive from the belarusian side, which side can it be on carried out in on the side of ukraine, it can be carried out, obviously, but i have very little er, i imagine almost no possibility of a new offensive from the north, there may be some provocative moments, there are er moments, there are threats, moments of some explosions , but there was no offensive, i don’t believe how should the new prime minister from great britain be perceived in ukraine, our son, and what is known about his attitude towards

ukraine, will support from this country remain at the previous level when he was nominated at the beginning of the summer, when johnson resigned rather, he said that he would double the aid to ukraine by two times. as far as i understand , there is unanimity in the british establishment. i don’t have anyone to convince. there, no one will resist and say no. let’s somehow reduce the aid. let’s somehow stop the aid to ukraine. europeans, world leaders, americans, canadians, japanese, to persuade them not to help ukraine, on the contrary, britain will definitely remain a friend in ukraine, whoever is the prime minister there

day please tell me if the depositors are discussing a partial surrender of the territory in exchange for joining the european union nato i don't know but i think they are not being discussed i would develop more opportunities here i would talk nuclear umbrella over me, the only thing i always feel sorry for is the crimean tatar people, who in such conditions in such conditions may lose opportunities for development. thank you all for your attention. mykola veresen was with you in four seconds. being on the air is good for everything