i believe that you survived it normally, stay at home and follow the instructions of the public road center, but i will return to this moment for a second, when you unfortunately fell into the zone of destruction, you remain in the shelter in which you were for a certain time, uh, it could be from there for a few hours to a day and then you need to carry out evacuations from there, you need to get out of this place because it can be dangerous to stay there and you can burn in the fire, for example, i'm already saying that, as they say, it's banal, but you can to receive very strong doses of radiation due to inhalation of smoke, dust, various combustion products, etc. , so right there, we need to think about how to get out of this zone, how to leave it, move at least a few kilometers, where i think our sms is going and our allies are already organizing evacuation points,

mr. roman. and when, after all, to get out, you said. if we find ourselves in the epicenter, when to get out of this basement room or from the apartment, if you were in the apartment and saw all this destruction around and that everything is burning and it is on fire when you are going somewhere, for example, it is possible to run somewhere, i don’t know, to some parking lot and take the car and leave the city, or you can also do this yourself. you can’t. you won't be able to. there, i'm not, well, there, no, there's no emergency services. question when is the question like hmm the first is the protection of the respiratory organs a respirator ideally this is a

respirator you must have with you er well i even wrote in this post to my facebook and take care of such masks it is desirable to even carry them with you in pockets, it will help you from covid. now we have another wave of video, and it will help you, god forbid, to protect the respiratory organs in case it becomes irreparable, therefore, protecting the respiratory organs is the first right, the second is the protection of the skin, and when you have protected the organs breathing, but they don’t have a mask, so you wrap them in clothes to confuse everything, is it possible that your task is not to inhale dust, and then, depending on how well you protect yourself, you can go out there in an hour , two or three after the explosion, or even in a few minutes if you are on fire there leave everything around us if it has a respirator like the one you just showed , you can use clothes or, for example, several masks

at the same time, yes. well, you will have to do it here without options, so your task is to prevent dust from entering. and we consider all dust in the zone of impression of radioactive, it doesn't matter what it is there, uh, inside, why? well, because ah, the skin, then when this radioactive dust gets on the skin , it can be, well, it will be difficult, but it can be washed off. so you will be washed when you leave this affected area you will take a shower several times, he will do a special peeling and that is, this is such a very unpleasant procedure, but you can remove these from the skin. to impress you well, until the end of life, therefore, the first rule is to protect the respiratory organs, as they say , at any cost, by all possible means, mr. roman. that is, uh, we still act according to the rules

that are now given to us by the state emergency service and the center for public health, but if a person will sit and no one will take care of him. i want to return to this question of mine, no one will evacuate, and there are, let's say, no state bodies that started to deal with this immediately, what should he do, and you told him to do all these bandages, get out and run, where, for what to orient ourselves to what we orient ourselves so uh well let's say so, i remember from military training there when we were taught that we should go out and move from the epicenter to determine the direction of the wind a-and determine the direction of the shock wave it will be visible from the destruction of the type for example, if i am destroyed the house in which direction. pieces

of it flew away. it will be necessary to determine and so on. well, this will pretty much say so. what is the task? the surface, well, let’s say you are there with a respirator and you, as i described there in social networks, are also completely wrapped in a raincoat. let’s say yes, uh, in these means of protection, well, or in those that were able to be found and you look in one direction, there will be a lot of destruction, there will be fires there are columns of smoke in the other direction and it will be less. maybe so, and maybe it won’t be like that, and you start the exit. besides, uh, in the direction where there is less destruction, besides, uh, it might be that the impact of the nozzle is usually in the centers and bridges, you are moving from the center you can move in the direction where you are you will see some kind of light, for example, what is this night, ah, in one direction, there is no light, only fires, in the other direction, you can see that there is some life there, there is some light, well, there is something there, and you are moving there

, that is, your task is to orient yourself where is the epicenter, that is, where there is a maximum of destruction and move in the opposite direction, talk about how to navigate according to the wind, but i would not take such recommendations into account, because, again, it will be very difficult for you to take into account the direction of the epicenter, the explosive direction and other factors, here you will spend precious minutes to get your bearings in this and uh, as they say, submit to even more radiation and there is a risk that you can go in the wrong direction and enter the epicenter, and here you know, as always, the issue of a smaller node and if you stay in the city there is a fire and you see that you will just physically burn, you realize that you can't stay there and you have to move if you see that you have a supply of water and you know for sure that you won't burn eh the nearest ones there for an hour two three five stay

there in that place and wait and it is possible after all some services will come there and help. that is, it is already an individual decision of yours on the spot. and there is no single instruction for such a completely direct algorithm, as well as that is, your task is to survive . so what, what, what do we have to avoid, that we still cannot stay in one place for a long time place because it's noisy there, that is, sooner or later we have to get out of this and well, we have to constantly use these personal protective equipment, use them uh, being in this zone, therefore ms. iryna is the answer to your question uh, if there is no connection there, that is, there is no help, evacuation is on our shoulders, but we must do it rationally , that is, we must always consider where the greatest danger is, that is, burning in the house from a fire, uh, or falling under, entering by mistake in the

epicenter and falling under there under the terrible degrading radiation and if we see that there is a greater risk of fire, then we have to evacuate. we have to go there and orient ourselves from the epicenter of the explosion and move on to the opposite side, eh, to the evacuation site and collection points, which i think will be organized, well practically roman i want to thank you for being in touch with us today and remind our viewers that roman pavlyuk, a researcher of the problem of radioactive contamination and radiation, gave us advice today and what is the role of radiation in a nuclear explosion, it is also important to learn about this because er, after all, we heard from mr. roman that later we are in danger of radiation already after you survived the explosion itself and we have to preserve our lives and health and we are in touch with vadim chumak, doctor of biological sciences

the head of the external radiation dosimetry laboratory of the national research center of radiation medicine of the national academy of medical sciences of ukraine i greet you mr. vadym good morning glory to ukraine glory to the heroes so please tell us about the role of radiation in all this and how much it threatens ukrainians if we say so as soon as we spoke, you must have heard about the epicenter of the explosion itself and if we talk about well there somewhere at a distance of 20-30-40 or more kilometers if there were people i want to say that i listened mr. roman's report, i agree with him for the most part, but there are certain clarifications, well, first of all , it should be noted that in the case of a nuclear explosion,

especially when it comes to tactical nuclear weapons , radiation still ranks third after the flash and thermal impact and then comes the impact of the wave, but the radiation itself, it can be said that it enters and affects a person in two stages, the first is direct radiation from the explosion, and here i would only give that, in addition to the gameringen equation, there is also a large the role can play neutrons, radiation which is much weaker er is attenuated by air or even more so by concrete structures and so on. that is to say, this must also be kept in mind er, but i completely agree that if you survived the first impact er, the first flash did not kill you er by the flames or debris, the survival rate in the chassis is very high, but here it should be borne in mind that the second stage is the source

of radiation, namely radioactive dust, that is, ash, dust, everything that rose in the air, so we now see on the screen is this well-known atomic mushroom, er, this one a mushroom is to give money after an explosion, first a high-pressure zone is created, which goes like a shock wave, and then a vacuum is created in this place, everything that is under the place of this atom of the burst of the explosion is sucked in, then this these materials, this ash, this dust, they also become reactive and it starts to fall out, but the good news, if we can say that, is that the products of a nuclear explosion are there, there are a lot of different radionuclides, but they are mostly short -lived, unlike a real accident, we know that

until recently, the most relevant scenario was the explosion of the zaporizhzhya npp reactor, which worried us a lot, now we are switching to the risk of a nuclear attack, so unlike a jet accident , from the drop in the dose rate, that is, the radiation level will be i don't want it to happen - it's much faster, this is the first difference, and the second difference is that it's dust, well, according to scientists, it has a large dispersion, that is, if the reactor is not an accident , mostly aerosols get into it, which are very sticky and very difficult to stop and very difficult to wash off then here it's just like smoke, it's like dust and even of course a brush for clothes. it helps quite effectively and it's also much easier to get rid of it, it's much easier to protect the respiratory organs even with improvised bandages or well, but now almost

everyone of us has medical masks, many have respirators it is quite effective here, i also made such a clarification to say mr. roman again because of the fact that these radionuclides have a much shorter half-life, even if they enter the body first, these large particles as they are mentioned, that is, well, they are expectorated, as you can say, the lungs will not remain, but even the fact that somewhere there can get into the deep parts of the bronchial tree. where are the trees or the lungs, but violas, they , er, very quickly, the radiation falls. that is, it is not, not so scary. can you comment on this, uh, this is exactly the opposite of what mr. roman said, and because this decline is happening quite quickly, it is rational not to try to run immediately,

the best thing is to hide somewhere in shelters, well , it is optimal that these are underground shelters but already when the explosion took place and there is no longer any risk of further destruction, then you can stay anywhere where there are concrete walls or brick walls that protect against external use. well, let's go, there is an opportunity to protect the air as much as possible, that is, to seal it as much as possible and wait because literally in two days the level of radiation according to various estimates, it decreases by up to 100 times. that means if you have resources, water, food, you are not injured, you are not suffering, you do not need urgent evacuation, then it is better to wait for this time , but first the level of radiation on the street decreases. secondly, i hope that there will be a reaction from the emergency services of the official authorities, who will tell you where it is better

to evacuate, and they will provide help that cannot be expected in the first hour after the explosion . who should wait for that if you say that two days in the radius in which people should be in order to stay at home and not go beyond the basement , for example, or their house, as mr. roman rightly said, and we, all the older people, studied it in civil defense or civil defense classes after it happened a nuclear explosion was created, a suspension of this dust or ash is then carried by the wind somewhere, and some areas will be completely clean. it is so

important not to rush, you will be fascinated by it if you are not injured, you need urgent medical help and you can hold out for two or three days, then it is better to develop it and bee-keeping here, again, it should be borne in mind that this radioactive trace is from distance he the air is spoken, er, the activity ends , but it should also be borne in mind that er, it can and does happen, so-called dry precipitation and wetting, that is, if it has rained, then the japanese used the name black rain, this is all dust, it is washed to the surface of the earth and there can very so -called hot hot areas will be created. and which, without having devices, you may not recognize them, so again , advice. if there is an opportunity to hold out, the emergency services will appear, the military will appear and they will help you, and the safest way for you

will take the impression out of the zone, that is, there is. even if you are 100-200-300 km away, it is better to spend this time at home, and because the natural conditions may be such that this cloud will radioactively bring this cloud to your region, i understood correctly. sorry for interrupting . well, even more so if you far from the epicenter, there is simply nowhere to move, so it is really better, but if we are already seeing the same story, no one knows for sure whether there will be a nuclear strike, if one strike has already occurred, then it is clear that, excuse me, the plan of our components and there may be more strikes that is, this is a warning for the rest of the population, create a supply of water, food, prepare the premises, make sure that there is a respirator and leave it in place until special instructions from the official authorities, sir, i thank you for your advice. thank you.

vadim chumak, doctor of biological sciences, head of the laboratory dosimetry of external radiation of the national scientific center of radiation medicine of the national academy of medical sciences of ukraine, so and we are moving on with you and now we will be in touch with a candidate of chemical sciences uh, gleb rapichi and gleb, i congratulate you , we talked, we talked today, and about how to act, where to move, where to hide, what is the need to immediately react to this whole situation, you, i want to ask you to tell us this, give us practical advice on means of protection, that is, here is a manual of means of protection because we understand that this bag this suitcase even if we prepare it now we uh it's not a fact that we will be able to take it with

us because this nuclear explosion can catch us anywhere we can just go there from the store or to shop yes or coming home from work so we will not always carry with us do you still advise to carry these cloaks, masks, dosimeter with us at all times in a special purse, what to do, ok, look well, it is actually desirable to carry with you that is, to carry with you at least a respirator yes, i would take an iodine preparation, that is, something that takes up very little space, that is, such iodine tablets, the same respirator, they do not take up anything, so you can take a raincoat with you, it is very desirable to take at least a supply of water with you why because see if it happens a blow and you will. i hope that you will be in a shelter. you will have to spend some time there. well, if you can survive without food, it will be

easy . but as in the previous programs, i will say right away that the most important thing in all of this is that you go to the shelter because this is what will leave your survival . may have known them already sold out, as you remember, at the beginning with covid, there were n't even masks, well, look, that is, why is this raincoat needed in general, i'm telling you why, because, for example, we went to the shelter, it was so bad there , we stayed in the shelter there for a day or two, and then we leave to evacuate and when we go out into the contaminated territory and from the shelter, the levels of radiation there will be non-lethal, but

dangerous for health, and we must necessarily put on a mask so as not to inhale the radioactive isotope into our eyes, not to cause additional internal damage and we wear what we wear as you remember there were tips on the account of chemical danger to us we need to wear clothes that maximally protect our skin and hair this is the norm if you have, for example, the same crying raincoat if it is a suit of chemical protection is it at all cool , in this case you are when the police or the military take you from an infected zone to some conditional clean zone. yes there will be such a decontamination procedure, there will be an angry dosimeter and he will measure you with a sensor, all your clothes will be removed and those parts of the body that will be infected, they will have to be washed until they are

no longer infected, there will be decontamination, so if you wear these clothes or wear a raincoat, which you close very well, it will be much easier to decontaminate you, and this is very good. so, in principle , you will receive a smaller dose only for this it is needed, as you can see now, the woman wears, for example, some kind of suit that protects her as much as possible, you see something like that , it is very desirable to have gloves because you will have to touch something, the shoes are also high so that the dust was not forgotten there, that is, it is necessary to have such and such clothes, if, after all, you started talking about shoes, it goes without saying that not everyone can have high shoes, someone can wear sneakers and not high boots, so it is also possible to wear something do you

recommend any shoe covers with you or something else? i don’t know, maybe they made it up, but they are very thin when hiking. well, you’ve all seen what kind of shoe covers they sell. these are polyethylene shoes intended for walking indoors. and i, for curiosity’s sake, when i was in the village of otse i did there a video about how to make chemical protection overalls from improvised means. that is, i will have a clinic there, but with shoe problems, they absolutely cannot withstand the conditions of uh, just ordinary earth, even so, they tear very quickly, and even more so after a nuclear explosion, this entire territory will be usiyana fragments of everything and in this case they will very quickly be incapacitated on the left. i also want to ask you a lot in the mass media, especially in print, they spread information, i will not read those names now, but i have

a means of emergency medical protection against external radiation exposure and a deactivating agent that is designed to remove radionuclides from the skin and to combat the main manifestations of the primary reaction to radiation exposure, and ukrainians are advised to buy all of this right now, or do you really need to have it, look, in fact, such means are not effective in these conditions why because these means are radioprotectors they protect for a short time from high doses and see a high dose, for example, where uh-uh those liquidators were so that is they came there. for example, it would have helped them to survive, because during those hours several of them received very high doses and died from it, but then radio protectors would have been effective, and in this case, a person. thank you, thank you. unfortunately, the time of our

program has run out. follow all the advice and of course we understand that all the advice can become useless if you are confused or panic we cannot prepare for everything 100%. and one cannot be prepared for such a nuclear strike can cause a complete the collapse of the infrastructure, so it will most likely be impossible to get help for several days if not weeks, do not neglect your own safety and try to prepare in advance, but it is better to make this list of things that we talked about , it is necessary to prepare a panic bag and know everything that we have for you today i advised you was iryna koval and berezhit sebo. we are looking for

this little boy. his name is anton shaban . he is only 5 years old. and now he is considered missing. good quality photo, but please look at the child's face carefully. i will immediately ask for your help, especially from those who watch us on the internet, spread this program, share it on social networks, because the more people who see this video, the more chances there will be to find anton as soon as possible or to learn important information about him who can really help in the search as a result, so in advance i thank each of you for your concern and participation in the search for anton chaban so what do i know about the boy at the moment he disappeared on in cherkasy in the zvenigorod district , anton is being searched for by his father, his husband said that recently the boy lived with his grandmother and on september 5 he lost contact with them, and since then there is no news from them in the house where they lived

, they are not there, how did they disappear, under what circumstances and where may be completely unclear now. although not so long ago on facebook, under the announcement about the search for anton , a woman wrote a message that inspires hope that the boy will be found. on tuesday, september 27, i saw a grandmother with her son mykola in in the city of shpola, in the aurora store near the privatbank on soborna street at approximately 12:20 p.m., and although the information is undoubtedly encouraging, it has not been possible to find the boy yet, and yet i want to appeal to the residents of the city of shpola, cherkasy region, where they allegedly saw anton chaban, if possible, you can trace this boy in your city, you may know something about him or his grandmother. then please do not delay and immediately call us on the hotline at the number 15 000 and here you must understand that there is no unimportant reason for the search information, in fact, any information about the missing child is important and can really become decisive

in the search, so once again i ask you to look carefully at anton's face. he is 5 years old, he looks his age, he is approximately 110 cm tall, his hair is short and dark, brown eyes and of course now the boy and his grandmother can be found both in the city of shpola, where they were allegedly seen, and far beyond its borders, so a request to everyone who sees this video, if you have any information about anton chaban, contact the hotline of the child tracing service, our number 116 000,000 calls are free from all mobile operators, in addition, it is possible to write to the chatbot of the child tracing service in telegram. it is clear that recently most of the children who disappear in ukraine are children who got lost due to the war , in particular during evacuation or in places where hostilities are taking place. actions, but unfortunately there are many such cases. when boys and girls disappear in relatively peaceful regions, in fact, in this program, we are talking about two such children, anton shaban, who told from the

cherkasy region and in odesa, nastya yemil disappeared a 17-year-old girl went missing in the izmail district on october 9, as they often say about missing people, he left home but did not return, and in the story about nastya, it is true that the girl disappeared under such circumstances and there is no more information about her or where she is now or where she could have gone, unfortunately, it is not known, only one more disappearance is known, the girl was dressed in a light jacket, trousers and black sneakers, and of course it is impossible not to pay attention to the fact that at least in this photo, nastya looks like a boy, she also has dark enameled hair and brown eyes, i hope that these small but important details, if you suddenly run into nastya somewhere, they will help you recognize her. if you happen to be a witness and see nastya, or maybe you know where she might be, immediately call us on the hotline at the number 116 000 000, just like at the beginning of the program. i also once i ask you to share this video on social networks

without exaggeration, each of your reposts, your activity is an invaluable, really effective contribution to the search for children, now i have told only about two unfortunately for many missing children, information about each of you can find them and their photos on the website of the child tracing service, go to please look carefully , maybe you will recognize someone from these boys and girls and give us some information about them. you can do this by calling the short number 116 000 any day and time also write to the chat for the child tracing service in telegram