kiwi fees, we collect 95 billion. well, maybe a little more, that is, when you and i open the draft budget for the 23rd year with you, we will see the revenue part of ours is 1 and 2-3 million hryvnias, yes, the revenue part of the budget is visible trillions of hryvnias, about the same, defense approximately, that is, everything that we collect in the form of taxes and fees, we will spend on security and defense. if a situation suddenly arises that we collect less, the only way to cover the necessary payments for security and defense is military bonds or printing money how does money printing take place? the ministry of finance imitates military bonds that you buy from the national bank of ukraine, well, that is, in essence , the udp bond mechanism of the domestic state loan, this is a payment to yourself, let's be honest

, or you yourself understand that it's all a balance. what kind of state debt are we talking about now ? what is the truth about the state debt? actually, what is the situation? i agree with you. indeed, at the moment, the debt has increased because the gdp is overestimated. this year, our gdp will fall by 32%. for now it will be possible moreover, the debt clearly increased in relation to gdp, moreover, next year we expect a small increase. but again, well, if the war continues, it is not known what will happen to gdp. so there are no questions here . for loans , this is what we receive from our e-e partners, what goes with loans definitely increases the drilling load, ms. ani’s question: how will we give back, we will give

back when ukraine, by and large , finishes fighting and begins to recover economy, in my opinion, the level of trust in ukraine is extremely important, so that after the end of hostilities, they will really help us restore the economy at the expense of our own funds, we will restore it for decades . regarding the compensation, the repayment of debts, from my point of view, is extremely important , because in the case of agreements, you can always decide much more than in the first place and say i'm sorry i do not pay force majeure." and

in a for the restoration of the country and for investments - these are funds that we will need to prove to our partners in the west that we can be responsible for effectively using these funds and creating conditions in the country where it was profitable to invest or invest this implies that they have to pay off and not just eat our power. thank you. boris kushniruk and oleg penzen

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olevska on espresso as usual and today is almost sunday, but so far saturday, october 29 yes igor checherenko is already thinking. it's just that you're on a day off, but we continue to work. yuriy kasyanov, the commander of the intelligence drone unit of the armed forces of ukraine, should join us. yes, with the active use of unmanned aerial vehicles, this era of drone warfare is now essentially called drones, and it is interesting what mr. yuriy will tell us about this safe shark presented by ukraine, how effective it is, and about these underwater drones that today there uh, hmm, they seem to have been used in sevastopol p yuriy, we congratulate you good day well,

let's talk about sevastopol for a snack, and let's start with the ukrainian drone of the new shark. has the manufacturer started production, is it even possible to produce something on the territory of ukraine or outside of ukraine, but with ukrainian technology and how effective it can be, then applied on the battlefield, please well, i think you should have contact the company ukrspetssilskaya which is the developer of this drone comment our data editors contacted this is a ukrainian development so tell us about this genre of the company ukrspetsfism everything was indicated in novospekty this is a natural-ukrainian development because there is a ukrainian company that drives us nuts uh, fate is disgusting, but he is

the owner, well, officially, as a people's deputy, he cannot be the owner of a business, it is obvious that other people in the official owners, it is possible to continue. what do you know, mr. yuri, about this ball ? because at such a distance there is 70 km eh, how do hummers need to have eh a good line of communication who would be the owner of that particular company for me? the main thing is that we win the war with russia. that is, i hope that this is a really good drone that does not cost insane money like the unmanned

screen 2 that was recently announced and that it effectively kills this, the main thing is that they about today's sevastopol and the events of the sevastopol bay, russian information resources report that at least 15 submarines and aerial drones left this morning from the odesa region in the direction of sevastopol, they write a mikadze drone most of the armed forces of ukraine were destroyed , the russians report, but they definitely hit a hole in the minesweepers, they write, and the radar is damaged - this is the radar system of admiral makarov of the battleship of the great ship from the black sea fleet. what do you know about the use of ukrainian drones, possible drones in the territory of the occupied temporary crimea , well, i can formally answer yes, i don't know more than you, well, in fact, i may know a little more than you, but in

reality, our forces are attacking the sevastopol base is not the first time and other objects on the territory of russia, i can say that this is not my division, it is the same if it is my confirmation . glory because the enemy can respond effectively with cruise missiles on the production located on our side, namely the production of unmanned lethal vehicles and the production of unmanned surface vehicles that were used in this attack, therefore how would you say more than what was said in the media, and they can, i can only say that yes, this is an effective weapon, yes, yes, let’s say that a certain next revolution in the military is coming, i can’t say that we are right now coming later that unmanned surface

vehicles are known a long, long time ago, but they are more like unmanned rocket launchers, which, er, mean explosives, are recognized as good, good, well- known for a long time, but you have some time , let’s say somewhere from the last fifties century a-a, this technology began to be considered a-a, let’s say, a high-altitude rack because there were missiles that seemed more effective, torpedoes that turned out to be more effective , but as modern warfare shows, surface unmanned aerial vehicles are not expensive, and completely cheap a-a aerial flying unmanned aerial vehicles which carry explosives to the enemy, and which is used en masse, where were they effective than the revesting weapons? we are trying to launch a mass use of unmanned aerial vehicles of various

types against the enemy, and this, uh, our intentions will only increase over time. i think that in a week or two you will be talking about the fact that hundreds of our unmanned aerial vehicles, possibly even surface-based, attack russian targets ego bases to eh airfields eh warehouses and so on and it's good with their aircrafts we can and although we can imagine how many of these shaheds russia received from iran and there are also some mujahettes how many of them there are in number and whether the deliveries will continue is misleading, the fact that recently the activity of these air

bases has decreased a little it will only intensify, let's say we have big uh defeats, let's say in the field of energy, which they inflict uh with their warheads, and it is already known that 1000 were purchased, maybe 2400, some say about the fact that some sources about the fact that 3,600 rounds were purchased , well, let's say that last year there were no more than 500 such devices in service with the iranian army and the guards of the islamic revolution . each such device is made at least two. -eh, they can get, uh , something more than 1000 rpm in the

near future. kinds of devices and about 1,000 turnover during the next year here. the most important thing is that during this time we managed to organize an effective anti-aircraft defense and were able to organize effective attacks by our drones on the objects of the russian federation, first of all, in the military, then in the intergoetic political and so on, that is, the war is er, it goes not only to donbass, but it should go to moscow and the eastern part of natal , yurii. it is written here that you are a developer and manufacturer of drones. please tell us about your activities in this regard, and what is happening now ukraine produces develops in this regard, did you mention that you are afraid of damage to ukrainian production? i understood correctly that at the moment certain drones are being produced on the territory of ukraine, which are then used by the armed

forces of ukraine. how do we spy on such shock all-purpose drones, starting with copters that drop bombs and ending with long-range drones that were traded to sevastopol this morning ah, here is a little bit of incorrect information, i am not a manufacturer, i am a developer of production before the war, i am currently an officer of the armed forces of ukraine, and i am engaged in the use of unmanned aerial vehicles, but i participate in both development and production, and help with my practical experience, i can say that the production there are different things, different companies, companies, volunteer groups, uh , it's just that people do it sometimes completely free of charge with their own money, their production increases as the amount

this is true , it is very good, and i will say once again that i hope that we will soon see hundreds and thousands of our drones attack all military facilities in russia and critical infrastructure and political facilities. this will definitely happen. then tell yuri. as developers, as a manufacturer, how do you assess the quality, well, the price-quality ratio, the efficiency ratio of iranian drones, because on the one hand , they are supposedly based on a moto-moto engine , a two-stroke four-cylinder engine, which even there is no exhaust pipe, on the other hand, the effectiveness of at least the first hits was high , now it has significantly decreased, but nevertheless, well , we will have to face them in the future, we will have to destroy them, please give your assessment of this iranian

creation, and we should not fall into the trap of cost. you understand that we say hang a person with enough rope that costs half a debt, and a bullet costs a cartridge, there is a dollar, two, three, and this is an effective weapon in its uh- uh specific niches, that's why what's on this moped is like an ego they call it worth eh relatively inexpensive engine would by the way be quite unique and effective which is already being developed and eh improved for decades no one should be misled this is really a very effective weapon in its class it is an analogue of cruise missiles which simply fly at a lower speed and it can to be at a longer range is not always at a shorter range, it will bring fewer fights. charge with cruise missiles is a cheaper weapon where the enemy can launch one against us

he can launch a cruise missile with 20 of these, 30 or 40 of these mopeds, and it’s a big load for our system, and every rocket of air defense costs tens of times more than that . drones with the help of rockets , we must not forget the fact that the solution to the problem is very expensive and these rockets are not renewable resources - these are, as a rule, still soviet rockets that are in stock and that we do not have all of them, therefore, it achieves two goals first of all, he attacks our ground targets with such drones, uh, kamikaze, simple cheap mopeds, whatever one calls them, and secondly, he destroys our system, who forces us to shoot them, and they are replenishing the stock of soviet-made missiles , because the western system has someone we receive very slow weapons, so effective

weapons and two well, it is very dangerous. and what are the alternatives for shooting down these drones so that they are not expensive missiles ? put into the service of the aa army and beaten with the help of machine guns with the help of artillery guns and this system of shooting down aircraft and cruise missiles was effectively used during the second world war because cruise missiles appeared now, as well as the first drones the conclusion was found to be accepted during the second world war, and they appeared at the end of the first world war, that is, these are all long - known things. that's a lot of people, and it's a huge country, but secondly, it's impossible to

fight this kind of danger effectively because these shekets fly very low, they can't see them, and they can't see our air defense system , it shoots expensive missiles at them, so we need to try cheaper ones the solution is to rely more on people who see and hear these mopeds who answer them about the sectors that destroy the anti-aircraft window, this is a long-known solution, there is nothing new here, we will not invent anything new, there are no lasers here helped because the lasers are also very spot-on in some place, they are affected by weather conditions, fog, etc. , therefore, except for the excused machine guns, there is nothing more valuable here, if someone from experts, so-called, and someone speaks with his feet, we allow him to answer better for his words, and the second thing is that we should do more of our strike drones,

everything is possible in order to inflict an adequate defeat on russia and the russian empire in order to destroy their targets , including e- here these are the same komikadze thrones that are in storage, the launchers, the airfield, the shock navigation system, and so on, that is, we must do the same things and do them even more efficiently than walking ones. for this, we need thousands of drones. komikadze is cheaper than rockets, but we just have to do it to win the war. yury, well, please tell me in the case of firing from small arms and hitting and falling from this chess 136 detonation of ammunition occurs as a result falling or not well, 50x50 actually. there is a very imperfect detonator

system, and that's why fifty percent of cases it simply doesn't explode. but you 're probably asking a question of the second nature. ah, a thermal power plant gets into it, people are hypnotized and we are left without heat, without color, it’s very bad . that’s right. falls to the ground well, it can’t help but fall, that day would still fall well, we remain glass and light, the remaining living ones are probably good, that’s what wars are for, it gives us cynical questions, we will, but these are our realities in which we live, thanks to yuri to you, the commander of the unmanned intelligence unit of the armed forces of ukraine, a developer and

former manufacturer of drones before the war. editor oleksandra liked the article where you commented on ukrainian pravda about human emotions. we wanted to make such a human column because it applies to each of us, but how do we go through all this psychologically? and i am reporting those memories of people that you can now write to each of us how they ran during the anxiety down so we are now 9 months ago how can you call it this emotional uplift - it is stress depression what is happening on the micro level of each person

, the same thing is happening to us right now that is happening to us now on the air, that is, we just had an interesting topic about drones, then there was a bang and we all switched to psychology, yes, this is exactly what is happening in our lives, we are very this switch happens quickly, we are volunteering in 5 minutes, making money for ourselves in 5 minutes, we are taking care of someone in 10 minutes, we are watching the news, and our life is so full of events, and each event is known, it is of such great importance that it is not surprising that the majority of ukrainians feel this exhaustion is very deep, psychological, moral, moral, exhaustion. this is our present. in the work in which i gave my comments , the article appeared in ukrainian

pravda. i am very glad . that i added an additional expert to this material and will find a comparison of what ukrainians live now with what the british once lived in the 40s when nazi germany bombed london and other british cities. just like the british then we feel very different emotions, you can say that what you see in us is also exhaustion, and fear and contempt for danger, contempt that is formed, we are joking on social networks, yes, in essence, it is death - it is grief but we have a lot of irony about this meme and you even the whole world admires that ukrainians, in spite of the fact that uh, resist repulse and even joke about it all , we are still normal uh, it's normal what are we joking this is a huge question, can we

call it normal well, let's say no it's not normal it's normal to live in normal circumstances and when you face danger yes to break the distance between each other with danger but we are forced now to break through in such conditions when normal behavior is not relevant and not adequate now we sometimes really have to behave inappropriately for example we behave disrespectfully there to the air-raid alarm, we are contemptuous of some to the danger of falling under missile fire, we joke, we laugh, we make fun of what a person in another world is made of in a world where there is no war, she looks at it with square eyes, this is a way of our psyche to get used to danger , this is the reaction to the nuclear threat, that ukrainians are gathering for a party, finally, now tell me why they were meeting there, because he says, i didn’t understand

why all our guests are gathering, as if for an orgy, although before a nuclear explosion, it is at least to break away for the last bit, this is precisely one of the adaptive reactions, you understand our attitude is so humorous to the fact that it can kill us, it is evidence of the presence of at least some kind of resource, although not in everyone yes, i'm saying quite there the average temperature in the ward is about us trying to take control over what we can't take control over in reality and so we're in this hypothetical sense trying to control it through a sense of humor we're trying to uh from that mock so that it does not cause us moral harm, you understand, when we laugh at something, we control it, it loses its power over us.

the issue of internal psychological mobilization, that's why this huge number of memes is a huge mountain of humor that we all see and consume right now, and as consumers of humor, all this humor is evidence that these psychological tools of our internal mobilization are still working in us, this is good, but one should not forget that the resource of any person and any society is always limited, it is not infinite and therefore we need to recharge we need to rest i always try to convey this to our listeners to take care of yourself because they ask, do you have any moral rules now, because there some people say how to rest, some went to rest, it’s not moral because there, uh, it’s dying now, how to weave it all

in your head, is it normal when someone goes to rest now under during the war he drinks alcohol and eats delicious food is it moral or not or he goes to a club for a concert they have concerts there is music you can even listen to and dance until 10:00 in the evening please everything works but someone says no it is immoral because people nearby die here well there on a distance of 100 km will be necessary, the devil is in the details, you need to understand what exactly is happening well, for example, i saw how in kyiv on podil people organized an evening of latin dances, several couples danced and a huge number of people watched and in fact this is a very significant event because it allows people to feel alive even in the circumstances. when your city is shelled, yes, you can go to restaurants and eat delicious food . it's normal. it's right because we have to establish