from this starting point and then i personally hope that it is possible that there will not even be scheduled shutdowns, it is very important for us now that each of the consumers actually replace the regulating function, that is , replace the maneuvering power of thermal power plants that were deliberately removed by the enemy from the energy system of ukraine itself, but repair work is ongoing, the energy front is holding on heroes, on energy workers, gas workers, and the situation will change for the better, if there are no additional attacks. well, there will be additional risks . thank you very much, dear experts, so you were with us maksym bilyavskyi, an expert on the energy programs of tsentrozhenkova, and mykhailo gonchar, the president of the center for global studies, strategy 21. thank you. mr. vitaly portnikov and i will be back in a few

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bringing victory closer every day. glory to the air force of the armed forces of ukraine, we continue the saturday political scientist anzhelika sezonka and vitaly portnikov so, the first topic of our conversation will be russia's exit from the grain agreement. they tied this, mr. vitaly , of course, to the alleged fact that ukraine struck the black sea fleet in sevastopol today, but in fact, you and i said last week that they would do. well, the term of this grain agreement ends on november 19 and putin has already begun to make certain such attempts to abandon it, and it is interesting that they began almost immediately after the negotiations between the presidents of russia and turkey, but it seemed that the president of turkey is so great the mediator wants to

organize a meeting between putin and zelensky, but i can’t get the only diplomatic achievement of the time of this war. and by the way, his only diplomatic assessment can be the other way around. putin now wants to show that he is refusing the grain agreement, he doesn’t want to, no with whom to deal with all the bastards, but then evdogan will appear and calm him down, this may be such a game with erdoğan, but let's see it will be. i don't remember where he said this about the fact that if they find out that explosives were transported on grain trucks to blow up the kerch bridge, then russia can of course conclude for itself that it should withdraw from the international agreement, because what if the ships are used to destroy russian infrastructure objects objects, however, from this moment on, there is no more such information, practically, at least an investigation is underway, something was arrested, some grain trucks

were found, there was no evidence, and it is clear why, because all these grain trucks are subject to quite a lot of inspection, including russian and international, and it is obvious that they cannot find real evidence that a grain truck could be used for such a purpose in russia, but the desire to reach a new agreement is there and is now being used for this. the situation that has developed on the crimean peninsula is absolutely logical things and it seems to me that putin himself understands this very well, the only question is why does he need this, he is constantly tormented, you know, this is the torment of a maniac who, on the one hand, wants to rape the victim, and on the other hand, i want she treated him well. this is putin's relationship with the global rooster, that is, he needs to organize a global famine, this is logical, like

everything he does from the point of view of blackmail, because the cold global south will lead to the fact that a huge number of people, millions of people can go to european countries, and it will also meet with those migration problems that still exist in europe. in connection with our bolsheviks, they are well received, they are provided for, they are given money, but all this is a burden on the budget, it is not for nothing appears from the sky and now it would be good to add to them those migrants who by the way , the remark of pope francis was absolutely correct, who was criticized for this, well, they caused europeans other emotions, we will not even comment on this now, simply, well, it is a fact that they are not welcome, so they are not very the syrian emigrant crisis is also desirable for many - this has shown that it means that all crises must be organized at the same time. but along with this there is a huge question related to the fact that putin needs

global support so remained completely isolated because he has the idea of ​​turning east to the south, he is moving away from the west, russia is no longer a european country, a country of troops. it has special contacts in asia and africa. well, fine, but if the africans see that he is simply deliberately starving them to death, which contact of course the africans were not interested in this, so now he is making such a move that no, of course i would very much like it, it is clear that we are negotiating, but at this very time ukraine and nato, he is already blaming great britain for this, they are destroying our ships those who were just involved in ensuring the security of the grain of the agreement, and there we have nothing more to share with them , here you are, the whole logic is strange but absolutely foreseen and i understand that after all, if erdogan, well, this is not a game . the famine plan will most likely

be implemented, i don't think it will be implemented so quickly. as far as i understand now , there are still enough grain stocks, it can play its role, no wonder in the next season. but putin can consider playing for a long time. i don't know what there he implements many plans that are not implemented. well, there is a plan to blackmail europe with energy. europeans only have enough energy carriers right now, so the tariffs will increase, so all this can increase everything. it is an obvious thing, but then there are questions that are not serious enough. and how will this happen in the future, that is, or will tariffs increase or will this lead to any social problems , it is absolutely not necessary if it will be so serious how russia is planning it is simple - you know, this is the eternal engine of instability, what are they doing cold it's beautiful naked it's always wonderful our allies general frost since we, uh, can't do anything, we

will act so that everyone freezes. corresponds to the mentality, the truth is their stupid poem that we have gas and you have absolutely the same thing. you see, it is possible in russian culture. we say that we have to give it up and all the answers are all that they want to do. well, hunger also means exactly this the test is part of such a plan, he may not materialize in life. this situation is quite uh-e telling simply for putin's intentions or does he always want to get out of this agreement. well, let's see how it will develop in the future. of course, there is nothing good in this. i hear about the fact that it doesn't smell constructive there. i hear it all the time. well,

he has to understand. he has to make some compromises . well, look at him. he lives in some kind of palace above the ground, you know, and it's beautiful there. i always look at him. we talked about it's with mr. volodymyr. i always remember this state of lopata with gulliver's travels, which for me is even more interesting than the lilliputians with giants , because this idea that there is some kind of state that is on the ground and above the ground flies some island on the night the monarch sits and throws a stone well, this is putin, he sits well for him, he is busy there, and he has many important problems there, there is another project of the gelinjaku palace that needs to be done, it is necessary to deal with elina kabaeva, there is a need to tssk among ourselves, and there is also a sharp let them be good they are fighting among themselves there, such an interesting life is full

, and suddenly some ukrainians do not want to be happy that they too will be under this space, the palace of the gelendzhik, and i remembered that in his speech putin also said that he is from below and not if he didn't consider himself rich, then tell me, well, after all, everyone saw the investigation of the mass. well, not only do they know that putin has a fortune, but also russians in general seem to me to be quite tolerant of the fact that the tsar should be a lot, why is he then yes he is getting poor, well, he just wants to show that he came from a mixed family. you know, this is the idea of ​​the american dream in russian. you know, there is an american dream. you came to the united states with one dollar in your pocket . you went, that means you got some kind of education on the courses, you got some crazy business ideas, and you haven't been

there for 10 or 15 years, the senate, the founder of hollywood, you have a successful company, you give the opportunity to your children, right ? otherwise to get a much better education well, here's a great example, er, the kennedy family well, where did they come from? well , not where ? sonok well, it's simple well, we migrants from great britain made it possible for us to have a certain fortune there, we gave our son an education , that's how he got there. he's rich enough on his own. lies no, well, that's it in american, a dream in russian means you have one ruble. you carry briefcases behind a dog

, you have a rubber butt, and suddenly you get into matches. well, you can kill, kill, kill these neginats , and you also have a billion, you see. it ’s understandable. a poor person who makes an immoral choice can become a lot, the question is always that in the civilized world those people who got rich due to moral choices are respected. and you who got rich due to immoral choices are being persecuted, they are trying to put them in prison they are trying to deprive them of their wealth, as is always the case with the mafia, this is not a simple struggle of the state against these people, but we know there and you know about these purposes, the main airport in palermo is named after those police officers who died in the war with the mafia, not the mafia although the mobsters have a lot more money by several billions, well, the mobsters were still sent to prison, and this is clearly stated as a society

, what does it treat, and in russia, putin, who is essentially a mobster, is a hero, he is respected and considered well, if he needs money, well, father well of course take it. thank you for the explanation. you mentioned a thing that i will remove , which i propose to talk about what the new government of great britain will be like and how it will be reflected in the relations between great britain and ukraine . that he will not understand the problems of the statistical average briton. what do you think as a result of her economic approaches did not make the poor richer than boris johnson? it is difficult to call him poor . his predecessor, well, teresa didn't have a

lot of wealth, but david cameron was also a person from an aristocratic family, that's right, that's the conservative party. it's not very often that such leaders as margaret thatcher, the daughter of bach alleyman, appear, and at the same time, she was the wife of a successful businessman. you also know that she didn't clean up in her office because there was no opportunity to hire housekeepers there, she was a wealthy woman, well, again, this wealth was provided by their work, but they are not poor. kemer and johnson have a different situation, they in principle, they were born to rich people, but uh, they took their money for themselves. i don't know why. we don't think about it . land plots and it is considered that i am an aristocrat who must understand poor people, but the so-called

parvenyu whose millions have been earned well, he does not understand i think that it is precisely the understanding of the removal that he does not have he probably does not understand what to do with all this this question is huge and i think there are two things which the first thing you need to understand is the value system of great britain, what the russians hate, the anglo-saxons hate why because it is, in principle, the attraction to freedom, the british political culture itself, and not at the beginning of the existence of great britain, i said the last centuries, it is based on the great charter of freedoms when this charter was signed when it existed, it was not mentioned very much, but from time to time the british people rethought it, that it is important that the suzerain and their subjects are equal, he cannot usurp it to take someone's property from their life, to punish them for their views

, and of course the russians and the british don't like it very much when they support us, they come out of this same idea, here is this idea of ​​freedom, on the other hand, this idea of ​​freedom, at least for the british , played such a bad joke that they have to be free from the european union moreover, when they chose that choice for or against the european union, they were told that leaving the european union would immediately bring significant dividends economically, not politically , economically, and when then, but the british were told listen, but there are huge problems. tell me, please. and what will you do with the common market? the people who voted for you said that we will continue to sell our goods to europe as we have been selling them, and we will not allow israel to go there, and what will they do to you? as they you them no well why well how did people not believe it was the question that i considered to be the number one question at the time when there was this brexit and what to do with northern ireland because you

know i just recently re-watched the series northern irish it was the most popular the series of northern ireland for all time there girls from deldi well because i like it the city itself it is very nice but it is still divided catholic protestant quarters on the border between northern ireland and the republic of ireland and here i saw how the people there simply showed how people lived before this peaceful i didn't find it. thank you. i came to northern ireland to belfast. i just fell in love with the atmosphere, but it was already a peaceful atmosphere. here they killed here they dispersed here they fought balacatastrophes we write as it is all ireland is such a

historical arena for such disasters but i do n’t see it as people live beautifully but there in belfast you can see it here without noticing any of these consequences of the war in some assistants but it’s still obvious what are these people, they are now having political discussions, they are going to choose their regional parliament , they are quarreling there, but it all happens in the parliamentary buffet, in front of television cameras, no one shoots anyone, imagine what we voted and how are we going to solve it so that this wound is not er opened again there was no answer now in order for there not to be a war the british essentially agreed that northern ireland should live in a different customs regime than the rest of the country this is a strange decision or you can go out together or if you can't go out you can go out only in parts then you don't go out with the economy serious problems

lis tras really tried to solve it surgically yes bah well and now it means such a disaster the crisis is only getting worse in me it it's a shame i don't think i honestly don't believe that a decision can solve it for me it doesn't for me it reminds me of the general secretary's caper honestly in the late 80s and early 90s why well because they always gorbachev he always has to rebuild something let's carry out glasnost let's carry out reforms let's create cooperatives let's talk about what kind of repressions we had let's do that let's do it everyone was enthusiastic oh come on but the problem was socialism itself and gorbachev i could not say that the problem is that you simply do not have normal property. do you not own your houses, your apartments, that you do not

own your bank accounts ? answers and when it was said not only in russia, in all the former soviet countries, the process of real development began in every country in the world, we can see what it has led to in russia no market has helped and becoming a civilized country is one main problem there was a lack of freedom and a lack of private property in great britain, every prime minister tries to solve something, but he has to appear as a courageous person who has to say, you know, we made a mistake when we left the european union, we will not be able to fix our economic situation, no , we can patch a hole here, choose one professional there who will be a greater professional than the previous one, but the crisis will intensify. and only if we simply have to develop some model so that we can return to a united europe we like it, we don't like it, but we will

live like this without a single group, which means we need to go back like this in order to get such privileges and preferences with which we could be on equal footing in the european union, made such correct conclusions that you are talking about now, sunok, being in the position of minister of finance before him by the way, there were no complaints. and in this position, he was in the crown of the crisis, when everyone there was putting additional burdens on business and so on, on the contrary, he was giving out money, reducing taxes. he is a good professional, well, that’s it . verana violina is also a good professional, the head of the central bank is better than twilight, i want to tell you simply that she is putin's professional, the problem of the russian economy. she is not a scumbag and professionalism. but she is a problem in putin, his war with ukraine and in the dictatorship. but when objective problems arise you can't handle it if you know how to make umbrellas it doesn't

mean you can stop the rain that's what's the problem and it's simple it can go more gently but what is the problem? sumakh is one of those people who supported brexit. if these people did not support brexit and brexit would not have happened, we would never have seen any of them in our lives. everything would have been the same. there would have been other people. just all the people who were at the top . of the conservative party who were against braxton and they were the leadership of the party, they left politics because all these people are fighting johnson and decided sunok and all the others whom we now see they were considered a frank fringe all these analytical centers that substantiated the flourishing of the great after brexit, they considered britain a bunch of urban lunatics, by the way, we also have such people who express some absolutely idiotic ideas there and if you imagine that they come to some real power there, well, they will be reckoned with , the leadership of ukraine also believed and now they will

atone for this i believe that in the course of 10 years of severe economic trials and the end will still be as i say, a person will appear and clearly say it will be an adventurer, you don't even have to think , they bought themselves for that for this absolutely unrealistic slogans, good career, but they led the country to a dead end, and i know that we really like bory johnson, who supported us, and the forest of tracks that supported us, ilyusha sumy, only we will be supported, but in the political history of great britain, these people will be with a big minus sign the only thing that will be a plus, by the way, is their foreign policy behavior, so boris johnson will go down in history as a person who fiercely fought the dictatorship and fiercely opposed putin. the adventurer just didn't come. at that time, levin will definitely come. by the way, i don't think it's

a huge tragedy because i'm afraid . in his field of activity, however, he does n’t understand anything. they don’t understand enough about politics. johnson is just such a person, that is, he is equal with a sense of values. this story, he is serious about chicher, he simply does not understand anything about politics, economics in general. it is possible to even allow a cannon shot on the old street, but now is the time for populism, what are you going to do ? they will not focus on domestic politics, is it very important for the british? this is foreign policy, and leaders who can demonstrate themselves on the external arena, on the international stage, so they will continue this

policy of support. we saw mr. volodymyr magritsky was told about the president's speech that he is a much more moderate politician in relation to russia than british politicians. the fact is that britain, in any form, in its economic problems, in any case, it remains a global state . it was during the time of margaret thatcher at the time of her arrival margaret thatcher before coming to power was just a sick person in europe, there was just an economic disaster, not a crisis, what is happening here now is great vitaly, this is still a long way from what happened during the prime ministership of harold wilson and james calendan and thatcher rectified the situation by tough i would say social pressures that still cannot be given in the early years she was very criticized just recently reread to great britain if you say the word church they will they will be red they hate her

such an ambiguous attitude as what we, i love her, let's say, but i can, if i were british , i wouldn't like it so much, these reforms are not one year, they are, after all, 5-10 years, and here what comes out is that for great britain, this is a nuclear state, she an important player. on the world stage, she is the leader of the commonwealth. we must not forget that we look at her as a small island. she plays the commonwealth. we must not forget that we look at her as a small island, but one way or another she has a civilizational influence on a large number of countries . she is the most important ally of the united states, and in this situation it is absolutely obvious to the british that if ukraine loses, they will also lose, then it is now, in general, you see it. everyone understands. to think about the decision. what recently, when his predecessor in the position of prime minister actually divinely convinced the germans of this, and they told him, well, there is no need to exaggerate now, german politicians themselves,

and german politicians from the left camp speak as if this is essentially what you read about steinmeier's language and they said that it was about my borys johnson. it was absolutely promotional, the sergeant, in fact, johnson said so a long time ago, because i repeat once again, he has a brilliant mind, and it is precisely such a geopolitical player that he understood it sooner than a european, will we hear such a speech , you will see such a speech from macron, there will be another such speech from macron, well, germany has already melted a little, well, you know, it is important for macron to give us weapons, yes, and france is quite serious and powerful , macron just likes to dilute it with more rounded ones . by rivers, but he also needs to understand that if stanmar made such a speech, it means that german society has already matured to the state of british society, as soon as the french one also matures, macron will immediately say everything that he thinks, in fact, you all

can you imagine how much he must hate putin? well, in fact , he humiliated him, that is, he behaved like a serious politician, he tried to come to an agreement, tried to stop the war, tried to find the right steps, and flew to moscow. you just have to sit here mocking me, you need a course in history i need to come to an agreement so that we are normal so that there is no such breakdown and i can't do anything i am the president of france, you know some self-esteem in presidents in france, she is imperial, it is not easy, and in the right perspective, unlike the russian federation. by the way , there are probably certain diplomatic successes with regard to germany and israel, because the minister of foreign affairs kuleba says that negotiations with israel are moving in a good sense and it will be possible anti-aircraft

defense is provided to us, and with germany regarding the makey tanks, the new newly appointed ambassador said that it is also possible and there will be a supply. he even expressed such confidence. maybe then france too as you already noted, change your rhetoric completely in the direction of the ukrainian state, and regarding military aid, i would like to talk about what role china will still play in the relations between the russian federation and the russian-ukrainian war, directly to vitaly yak do you still think it's sydinpin well, this is the support that we decided with mr. ogryzko, the support of putin wanted to scare the united states of america somewhat