i think it's visually very cool. and i started filming a documentary film. i filmed 5 6 7 fantastic scenes there, but then the stories stopped. unfortunately, it later formed the basis of the creation of this film, parts of this film. so i thought that it was really necessary. well, what to show this the story of the relationship between father and daughter there, well, actually, i am there with my daughter, the hero needs to give an injury, some kind of the most severe injury , which i can only invent, and which from that moment the prisoners began to return to isolation, among them was stanislav oleksiev ihor kozlovsky a lot others also fell asleep. the information is terrible. the information about what is really going on there was about inhumane torture, and of course i was shocked by this information. i decided to simply combine these two topics in one film. the episode with the pigeon is in the film glare. performs one can say the main female role, and there is a

story about the capture of stanislav vasyl, whom you mentioned, as far as i know, was a consultant and this film was partly also probably about such a post-war silence, what people do not talk about they are going through such terrible things yesterday. a new list of prisoners arrived. andrey is not there again. you can’t find anything. do you think there is an awareness in ukrainian society that the part of our society that is going through this war also carries secrets from it that it may never want to tell? and maybe we won't want to hear them. my story took place in the 14th year at the beginning of the war and when such people appeared with similar herbs. i think

society was not ready to accept them back for these 8 years, i think society has prepared for this, uh, has prepared to accept such stories, has prepared to treat them tolerantly, has prepared institutions that can provide help to such people, and again, it is a slow process, but eight years have already passed and it will develop endlessly, and the only thing that i after all, he put his hero in such circumstances that his this act, his experience, it can be interpreted in very different ways, it can be and can be interpreted as a crime and, shall we say, the action of it was done for the sake of mercy, and you can even just interpret it away, well, i won’t spell it out again now . that’s why the hero receives such an injury that he is guaranteed to be unable to share with anyone for the rest of his life, not even the closest

people, not even his ex-wife, not even his daughter with no one at all, because people will never accept such a story, never. that's why i did it on purpose, of course, i did it, i suggested that the heroes go through it, that's how ready society will be ready. i think we'll soon find out again. many stories of different stories related to the captivity and from us to the collaborators, that is, i think that we will have a lot of material for thinking about, for experiencing, and in order for our society to grow and become, let's say, ready for the accepted perception of such stories , i really want indeed, so that more people will watch this film, not only visitors to the kyiv critics' week, are you planning that this film will be released in ukrainian cinemas without fail? it is generally difficult to plan the rental, it will be well, it

seems to me to be a failure because now, well, you can say , people go to the cinema much less, let’s say, the cinema market or blackouts or intrusions, anxiety or generally problems of some other nature, there are problems of survival, there are problems of finances, something else, that is, now well after all, cinema can be perceived as entertainment, although author's cinema is not entertainment at all, and that's why people, well, rental i don't know well, we're planning maybe in the spring, maybe in the spring i want to remember your previous film atlantis tells about the future, what will happen after the war, the year 2025, and you show the devastation brought by the war, this is the scorched earth in donbas, in that very film, because of the war, i received not quite the woman's territory, ok

. this plant will be closed for reconstruction. i asked you to protect me then there is a reflection in the film takes place in 2014 that is, it is the beginning of the war, but we already see a certain devastation in this case, it is in the heroes in everything that happens to him, you can see for yourself what leaves the war itself is such a total devastation, the total devastation always looks bright hope is it about the movie atlantis there despite the fact that our country there, the east of ukraine has turned into a desert into a living territory, after all, there are still people on it, they are even trying to arrange some kind of life there and they are looking for a friend they find support in each other and still it is reliable that this land will be renaissance uh movies virus it is a little different there there is no hope

there is much less chance i understand that after all the viewer always waits from the story at the end of the hope, well, there are different levels of degree in this, all these emotions and in atlantis and in the reflection, you filmed andrii rymaruk, he i think in part of our viewers may be known as a representative of the come back alive fund he is not a professional actor. but why did you call him into your movie? it was important to you to have a person with military experience. andrii looks like a hero . i know him very well. i know the possibilities. i know how updated he is there. he is engaged in any work in the foundation, you will return alive, well, whether it is participation in filming, and that is why i felt extremely comfortable with him, and again, he is in the right physical shape, because

what he was offered to do there, well, even the stuntmen watched well, somehow well, i'm not sure that a professional actor went to film stunts , just when i was preparing for an interview, i decided to refresh my memory a little about what atlantis was about, i rewatched the trailer and it occurred to me to check where you filmed this film and you it was filmed in mariupol, so i want to ask how you experienced everything that was happening and is happening now with this city. i think that i was not the only one who experienced the destruction of the city of mariupol, the destruction of tens of thousands of people. i think that the only thing that the country experienced was because we spent we lived there for quite a long time, three months, this is the preparatory filming period. of course, we talked with people there, had contacts. and of course, for us, it was enough

. it was destroyed with its own face, it was destroyed, it’s actually a disaster, it’s a disaster, it really hurts , yes, you made two films, already about the war , so after 2014. maybe you know the answer to the question of how a ukrainian director, er, during the war in progress to make a good film about the war no, i don't know, i don't have an answer to that, well, it's possible to make a fantastic documentary film, i understand it how to do it, how to make a feature film about the war, i think it's not necessary to do it exactly about that, some there well first of all, i have first of all what emerges is that now many stories are being generated for genre cinema because we see every day heroes er us real powerful heroes we see er dramatic er and tragic situations it feeds

let's say so first of all genre cinema in relation to let's say author's cinema me it seems that we need to take a short break for three, four, five, six, seven, eight years, maybe more, and only after that it was possible to formulate everything, find a form, and so that well, we just need to move away from this period a little. have you seen the trailer for the movie butch ? the trailer of this film caused such very active discussions in the film community, this is a film that aims to show what happened in this suburb of kyiv in the spring of 2022 during the russian occupation, and in particular, the ukrainian film academy, of which you are a member of the supervisory board , made such an appeal that it is possible before shooting such a film in bucha, some kind of broad discussion is needed, what confused you about this project

, first of all, i supported the position of the ukrainian film academy that let's take a break, not we will now shoot similar films on the territory of some not finished what is the name well, for example, secondly, such a powerful documentary material formed a message, an image of this event, what shall we say, quickly, shoot a movie in a hurry, shoot a movie it will simply destroy the perception of this event and this is very bad, i think for the third time again, let's pause and see the different stories that will be offered about this event, because uh, if we reject let 's throw up the desire to be the first to realize some traumatic event for the general public it is not very correct, we have to wait until there are different opinions about this until, uh, this area will, well

, it will rest from the blood there, from there it is not just blood, the scar will heal, and then we will talk about it, because, well, this is a very painful story for everyone who lives in this territory for all of us. i think that you just have to wait, you admit to yourself that it is possible that this war should be filmed, this is also a question without regard to the trailer of the film butch. propagandist cinema, well, i'm not an expert in this, i'm not an expert , i guess that's the way it should be, i just do n't have any idea what kind of cinema it should be because, er, we 're in such a situation. so i don't see the need to use any kind of propagandistic techniques russia needs it so much because they need us to mobilize people who do not defend their country there, who sit

by the tv and watch, well, they will abandon the war in order to influence them, of course they need to pour crap into their heads and make them wake up and wanted to grab weapons there for mobilization solely for mobilization. although they are already under the cap, they are for us, for ukrainians who see death, who see the death of their close friends, and in general, a large number of people. it seems to me that there is no point in doing this, but not for the audience for a foreign audience i think that for a foreign audience, it is necessary to show quality ukrainian cinema. it can be tangential to the war, but it must be at a high, let's say, professional and cultural level. and it is possible, and that's why i i don't agree with what is happening now, let's say with funding, with the lack of funding for ukrainian cinema. i think that it would be necessary to double the funding of ukrainian cinema during the war, because ukrainian cinema now represents the country around the world, it conveys, conveys,

conveys the correct boundaries, picks up these messages of the press and it shapes the opinion about ukraine and therefore, on the contrary, it is necessary, in fact, culturally, a cultural front, that is very important, but unfortunately, it does not do that well, i understand that there is no money well listen, there is no money. well, there is money. i understand that there are important issues. pensions must be paid. people need to spend money on weapons, but this is not a huge amount of money for the budget of ukraine. culture, for example. okay, i understand this, hiding behind it. this is how you can also sell the dovzhenka center at auction there, for example, right, yes, i don’t think that we should say that the thesis that there is no money should be sold off and throw these money for the war works in this case, you understand,

they forgive, well, regarding dovzhenko, the center, you see, they say that everything will be preserved, that the archives are not threatened, what is the point of selling and destroying? did not work and who do not have any experience of working with archival materials promoting ukrainian cinema abroad and ukrainian history and etc. as for funding, well, look, it seems to me that not everything here it is so bad in what sense and here maybe you will master me after all and atlantis and the glare they were filmed with the support of the state situation, that is, the current period after february 24 is such a crisis, yes, for ukrainian practically everything has stopped i want to clarify how has the perception of your film changed in this case? in this case, apparently, on international platforms , it is the reflection that is shown until february 24 and after that, i

can assume that the question may be a little different. the events that are unfolding here and the questions, of course, they are already arising are formulated in the context of the war, there in the context of tougher conditions. yes, of course. yes, the truth has changed . the new life of the film atlantis because re-runs have begun and all the money is sent to funds that help the army or refugees and the films atlantis are very uh traveling all over the world and in europe and in japan, it is huge the number of people was at these charity screenings and well, in principle, i serve all these

screenings, in fact, as i communicate with foreign press all the time, i took part in piundg all the time, and this is my main work, it takes up almost all of my time, how do you feel about that that er, even after february 24, the programs of those festivals in which you participate still have russian projects, which the community actively talks about it, the festival organizer writes, but as a rule, well, let's say in most er, well, festivals still have their own politics, and they mostly ignore these appeals . unfortunately, they say again that there is a culture outside of politics, that there is this doctor, russian culture and we need cinema, and there, well, it is very difficult to convince them, how does it end, you say that it will take years to go to venice 10 rockets flew and 3,000 people died there. i'm sorry, you would quickly change your position on russian culture. you yourself, as a

person of the art of cinema, do you support the idea of ​​this cancel cal or culture of cancellation in discussions with your foreign colleagues, maybe you have i've already worked out well, i don't know one iron-clad argument why the ukrainians are right in this situation, why should you listen to them, listen, no, i'm unlikely to formulate such an argument, it's long, long, some kind of talk - it's hard to convince until a rocket falls on your head with it, everything is very simple because they have a habit of uh, there are billions of euro dollars invested in the popularization of russian culture, in the promotion of russian culture uh, on the international level, they talk about it all the time, create a positive image, and you know in one conversation that it is simply impossible to convince people otherwise. film director serhii loznytsia in cannes gave a

whole speech about why you should not boycott russian culture, although it seems he used the phrase russian-speaking culture for you serhiy loznytsia ukrainian director well, you know after all the statements that he er i have a big, big doubt about that passport. he has a ukrainian one. i think, but you know many ukrainians are connected to the special services of the russian federation, they carry what russia needs narratives and the impression that serhii loznytsia is very similar to such a person, i have no confirmation, but if you analyze his messages - they are consistent with exactly what was promoted by the russian press. if you are familiar with him, you may have had the opportunity to talk to him about this. position, i saw that your project was among those uh that

received a grant from netflix uh, this project will be called for victory, it is also somehow related to the theme of war, so it is, well, you know , to break away from the theme of war well, i uh, i don't see the possibility precisely for myself because i live there in this time is here and now, and i still try to use material that, well, i personally feel my life experience there, so from this , certain stories are formed, if you take even the film , a lot of my life is there, well, in relation to my daughter, at least there are horses there are broken arms, there are x-ray rooms, this all happened in fact. i just rework it and embody it in some stories. the same thing happens with the project on the cat. i am working with you now. there will be no war in the literal sense. there will be no explosions. there will be no explosions. there will be no prisoners, there will be no territory, these events will

take place in kyiv with people again about growing up in difficult conditions, you sell there about parents who come and go, it will be about the feeling of the desire to be useful to help the victory well, to win in this war and many such things that i think everyone who is in kyiv and in other countries feels now in cities, that is, i actually can't to say that this is an autobiographical story, but there was a lot written off me from my friends from cinematographers, especially there, in fact, there is a story about a group of filmmakers who are experiencing this situation while in kyiv plus or minus already at the filming stage. no, these are films, this is financing from neflex grand from netflix, it was given for the synopsis of a straight man

for the project and by the 20th it seems that we are all who got it to write the script, well, the first time , that is, this grant does not provide for the possibility of further shooting it as a full-length film. unfortunately we all dream about it, but for now, let's say the territory there, our territory of ukraine, is not very interesting in this sense to netflix, there is one more such aspect that i wanted to talk about with you, but in september , it seems that it became known which film will participate in the selection for the oscars this year from ukraine it will be a movie klondike maybe you have already seen it how to evaluate a great movie marina is a talented director i have known marina for a long time she made a fantastic story i think the american people should really like this story by academics because she is very powerful, somewhere she is a calculated supervisor there, many people from the dal film are specifically about the structure and like it very much, namely

american academics, and i think that maryna has every chance eh in the chat list by the way, it is worth noting that the events there are taking place in the background mh17 disaster atlantis was also at one time a candidate for the academy award from ukraine. in your opinion, what is needed for a ukrainian film to get into the shortlist and maybe even win at the oscar? ukrainian cinema must be filmed non-stop and pour everything into it. more and more money because it is a huge , huge and powerful part of culture and it is a fantastic channel of communication with the whole world and you just dream that someday it is possible that someone will get lucky due to some special circumstances that occur at a certain uh moment uh someone got oscar is very simple, it used to be a little easier until the 19th year, eh. well, when exactly, or the 20th, congratulations, when atlantis was nominated for, let's say, the

acquisition, well, on this, get into these races, there, let's say, it was so, eh, i don't 15 people seem to be there oscar, how many american committees were there? there were 15 people who, uh, that is, members of the board. i don't know how to formulate it exactly, but they had the right to put one or two films in a layer sheet . and they had that right, and there i received messages that i was certain that there we have every chance to show that letter, but this year , two weeks or a month before the ceremony, they canceled it, they said that there are no quotas, nothing more like that, it will just be a general vote all a is common voting, this means that thousands of american film academics are people who grew up on the genre window of the american one, who have a slightly

different culture, and that is why they immediately lost some of the more difficult, complex films shown to always win an oscar. that is, it must be a sufficiently accessible story for the american viewer to win an oscar you and i talked a lot about movies about the war, uh, and somehow i didn't ask you if you watch ukrainian movies about the war, well, kolindyk, you say you've seen it, maybe there is what other films do you consider to be successful films about war in the last 8 years? i saw a film about a sniper. remind me what it’s called. i haven’t seen it recently. it’s not bad to shoot a dynamically edited film, but it’s pure audience cinema, genre cinema. again, this is not my category for those films that i am so, from which i become happy, but in relation to bad roads, a very good movie about the war, a fantastic movie , yes, in fact, it is over. well, for me, that is, i

was satisfied. you question may be somewhat philosophical, but it is obvious that after the 14th year ukrainian cinematography is developing not simply due to objective reasons, especially what we are talking about after february 24, when there is simply no state funding, and on the other hand, as your colleague producer volodymyr yatsenko said recently in an interview he said that the war is also a kind of impetus and a trauma that gives impetus to something new and we have actually seen in these eight years how many good ukrainian films have appeared. a question in general, that is, a personal question. that is, you sit and think what kind of movie will be needed. after two years , it is very difficult to find an answer, so i think. well, okay

, well, it is logical, it is logical to shoot uh, post-war, post-war, some stories, right. i think that you are ready to shoot such a story well, i'm thinking, i'm thinking that well, i'll think about it, and then you'll remember that there's atlantis, that's already a story that takes place after the end of the war. i think, ok, you've already filmed it. and then what to film, that is, i don't understand what to cling to now, as they always cling to own experience for my own experience i don't know how much you are my hero there, well, the type i mean it will be interesting for other people well, we'll see well, i think that you should make a movie about yourself, about yourself, about your experience, and if it's an author's movie, if you 're trying to construct some kind of heroic the story, now the materials are just a colossal amount , just for a heroic movie, maybe there is a hero or an event about which you would like to make a movie, well, for

now, every piece of information floods you every day, and i , well, i am in it, so i just consume this information consumes consumes consumes maybe some moments there uh it all accumulates and and and and and forms will appear how can you talk about it but now i'm just i well at the end i reached for information every day is new and every day is scarier scarier and more dramatic well this it seems to me that this is difficult. you need time to just find a form to feel it and it must grow in you. and so grab hold of some traumatic first topic and talk about it , well, it’s not very much. thank you very much for this conversation and we are waiting for a wide release the film he just thank you asked very nice i'm glad the truth thank you thank you tell me honestly how are you holding up now this answer is

relevant for me because you have responsibility for your family for your children you have work to do we survive and we owe it drink and we will definitely survive, focus your attention on the legs, lift one of them and make active arms as if you are trying to shake something out of yourself, it is as if the dogs are shaking . he performed the exercise with his hands several times, alternating the direction and imagines that together with the movements, you gradually shake off all the negativity that you have accumulated, add this technique to your self-help first aid kit , more here, the winter of this year promises to be the hardest

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