we don't need to go back to the negotiation table, that is, the algorithm for the right things, which uh, so somewhat it is a manifestation of a political change, i think that no, i think that this is most likely. well, it is possible to try to play with the same americans , giving them, you know, an idea. which was generally of a general nature, we did not see any practical steps, so i think that here it is more an attempt to feel the position of the united states, to understand

how serious the american reactions to all these things will be, but no more, i do not think that china will risk questioning 65 or 70% of its exports to the west from phantom support of parents, rather, which obviously loses , that's why i think it's more of the category of uh, uh, more political uh-huh than practical support, mr. volodymyr, but there is another aspect, after all, in the statement of support for russia, china made a statement towards the united states and the united states made a synchronous what are they ready to understand in principle in china's foreign policy, from time to time we see such statements that are not reflected in practice, but in reality, but still joseph biden was so soft enough in his statement. shall we say that traditional does it still

mean something now, is beijing interested in the fact that russia definitely loses, maybe yes , maybe, and why not, because then the process of such turbulence begins, where no one knows what to buy and what you you will take in the end as your prize when you come to an understanding with the united states of america and maintain certain relations with the russian federation and agree with the same americans that they will not play to the end and break russia so that it collapses, this preserves certain opportunities for the future if you quarreled with the americans, and they realized that this

line, the moscow-pikin axis, could become a threat to them, so then it is not excluded that the americans will go to the end and that er, well, in fact, the only ally, er, will lead to a disaster here a lot things that can emerge and become, so to speak , interesting topics for discussion, so i think that it is in the interests of the united states. congratulations, it is possible to agree, including at the expense of russia, that is, to lower it to a certain limit, to provide opportunities to play the role that it well, in recent years, i have prescribed this next world center of power, and somewhere it is even possible to manage it together

. ogrysko, a diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine during 2007-2009 was in direct contact with us, we are moving on maksym bilyavskyi , an expert in the energy program of the rosunkova center, mykhailo honchap, the president of the goluborizka strategy 21 center, we are in touch and we talk , of course, about the energy situation, congratulations mr. maksym, congratulations mr. mykhailo good evening good evening well, let's start with you a little, and mr. mykhailo, this energy blackmail is, in fact, the former president of russia dmytro medvedeev what voices the most insolent statements of the kremlin and he says that, well, do not fulfill our ultimatum, you will all be without light, how to react to this, well, in principle, the european union reacts quite confidently starting from the spring of this year, when the first scare passed and they began to work on preparation plans, so to speak autumn-winter period. in the

european understanding, it is somewhat broader than in ours, and we are now seeing the consequences, even the german chancellor scholz, who is far from confident in himself, makes quite decisive statements, as well as the leadership of the european commission of the european institutions as a whole, therefore i think that in principle brussels as the capital of the european union reacts adequately enough and the presence somewhere in different countries in different ways, but in general in the european union about 95% of gas reserves in underground storages, this is also a serious argument and of course it works e- and we see it with the supply of liquefied gas to europe, transatlantic energy solidarity, therefore, in principle, i think that the european union feels quite confident here. of course, there are certain exceptions. will have a place. i mean orban, who plays

the role of a soviet horse, but he agreed in the european union, but he did not. please tell me, after all, this is a public confession of terrorism from the side . because you supposedly know that they in the kremlin allow themselves such rhetoric. and we sit like this and wait for what will happen next. well, as for the documents in the union. there are no more illusions left regarding the portrait of the murderer and in the near future we will observe in the son and new concrete actions, first of all the rubicon will be the own restriction on the supply of oil, russian

oil and oil products, first of all, to the market of the european union, therefore, in my opinion , the confrontation is only beginning and the answers will be properly given because the russian federation is a terrorist regime and i personally have high hopes for mr. stanbayer's visit to the people's republic of china why because china, like saudi arabia, is one of the main players on the global oil market, and according to my expectations, after mr. steinmeier's visit to china, the situation may change fundamentally, first of all, on the front, mr. mykhailo, let's still try

to understand what technical capabilities we have to fight this is the constant russian pressure on the energy system. it is not over. maybe we don't know the results of this anxiety that just passed before our broadcast. well, if we talk about classic options which were used before, the threat to stop supplies, especially for gaz. well, we see that they do not work. actually, let's remember the last season of 21-22, because then there were also serious restrictions, a serious price jump on the european market, eh, in order to force the european union of players, germany to launch nord stream-2 did not work out, especially now that many in brussels already have no illusions about what the russian e-e russian energy resources are, that they are already enlightened

they say that it is a weapon. actually, if the kremlin still has one more option in principle and he demonstrates it, what happened on the northern streams, the undermining of the northern streams, is basically a demonstration and a hint to the europeans that attacks can be made not only with these four pipes three of which are blown up and similar things can happen a-a on the gas pipelines that connect the north sea it is the norwegian gas fields that are with europe than the mediterranean sea where the algerian gas is from the south to the country of the european to the union, if this is, in my opinion, this is the last remaining of the kremlin's arguments, so to speak, the last argument is the kremlin's shortcoming, and this is what i would say is a serious

threat, and we see the appearance of various drones in the area of ​​norwegian legal platforms, which is strange the visit of a russian submarine to the mediterranean sea is therefore, in my opinion, a preparation for some such scenario of actions that will undoubtedly cause a serious internal resonance in europe because norway is the number two and now the number one supplier of gas to europe algeria is number three, respectively, now number two. therefore, it is serious. but i think that the measure is being used. see , see another practical question, after all, from electricity consumers, and these e-plans for the schedule of fan outages published by ukrenergo or regional operators often do not coincide with the actual outage. electricity in people's apartments and houses, how can this be, why exactly, and i understand that during a war

it is difficult to plan in advance, but still, children are also studying and there is a certain need for this and how then we have to live and get out of all this, well, first of all, i would like to point out that just predicting the curve of the so-called production of electricity consumption in the energy balance to help cut is almost impossible, why because there will not be any dispatcher who would be able to predict how many households or commercial consumers at one or another moment of time will either directly load the energy system of ukraine with its demand or this demand will actually remove the load from the energy system of ukraine, so i i personally recommend that you refer to those graphs that are published by distribution system operators and formed by the operator of

the ukrenergo transmission system with understanding. that is, this is an expectation, but the fact also depends on the culture of consuming electric energy, that is, on each of us and you , so i personally advise for myself for each household, determine the limit of use and household appliances, especially in peak loads , in my opinion, it should be no more than 500 w, which is proportional to the consumption of, for example, a refrigerator and incandescent lamps, i suggest starting from this starting point, and then i personally hope that it is possible that there will not even be planned shutdowns. it is very important for us now, in fact, for each of the consumers

to replace the regulating function. work continues, the energy front is supported by heroes , energy workers, gas workers, and the situation will change for the better, for the better, thank you, thank you very respected experts, so we were with us maksym bilyavsky, expert of energy programs of the center of global studies, strategy 21 thank you mr. vitaliy portnikov and i will return in a few seconds after a short break, stay with us in the future. vitaliy will, as always, expertly answer my questions at the most interesting pace the ukrainians thought about not talking about the first place, the war still comes out, the war is our victory, seven days a week from

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brings our victory closer, we continue the program of the saturday polyclopus angelika sezonka and vitaly portnikov so the first topic of our conversation will be russia's exit from the grain agreement, they tied it to vitaly, of course, to the alleged er-er that ukraine struck the black sea and the fleet in sevastopol today, but in fact you and i talked last week about what they would do. well, the term of this grain agreement expires on november 19, and putin has already begun to make certain such attempts on its behalf refuse and it is interesting that they began almost immediately after the talks between the presidents of russia and turkey, but it seemed that the president of turkey is such a great intermediary. he wants to organize a meeting between putin and zelensky, but i can’t get the only

diplomatic achievement of the times of this war. and by the way, the only diplomatic assessment can be the opposite putin now wants to show that he is refusing the grain agreement, he does not want to deal with all the bastards, but then erdogan will appear and calm down, this may be such a game with erdog, but let's see, it will be clear whether putin is playing zevdogan or he is playing against when putin was during it seems like his press conference of some kind i don't remember where he said it about what if they find out what uh explosives were transported on grain trucks to blow up the kerch bridge. of course, russia can conclude for itself that it should withdraw from the international agreement, because what if the ships are used to destroy russian pro -structural facilities, but from this moment on, there is no such information, although practically b an investigation is underway, something has been arrested, some grain truck

has been found, there was no evidence of it, and it is clear why, because all these grain trucks are subject to a rather thorough inspection, including russian and international, and it is obvious to find real evidence that some grain truck could use it for such targets in russia cannot, but the desire to reach a new agreement is there and is now being used for this. the situation that has developed on the crimean peninsula. these are absolutely logical things, and it seems to me that putin himself understands this perfectly, the only question is why does he need this? he suffers all the time, you know, it’s such a torment. on the one hand, he wants to rape the victim. on the other hand, i want her to treat him well. this is putin’s relationship with the global cock, that is, he needs to organize a famine on the global cock. it is logical

like everything he does from the point of view of blackmail there because the cold global cock will lead to the fact that a huge number of people, millions of people can go to european countries and it will also meet with those migration problems that after all, there are in europe. in connection with our bolsheviks, they are well received, they are provided for, they are given money, but all this burden on the budget is not just like that, it does not appear from the sky. and now it is good to add to them those migrants who to things are absolutely right , the remark was made by pope francis, who was criticized for this, well, it caused europeans other emotions, we will not even comment on this now, it’s just a fact, they are not wanted, yes, they are not very wanted for many, and the syrian emigrant kahiza showed this, so it means that it is necessary to organize all crises at the same time but along with this there is a huge issue related to the fact that putin needs global support so that he really does not

remain completely isolated, because he has the idea of ​​turning east to south, he is moving away from the west, russia is no longer a european country of troops, a country of she has special contacts in asia and africa well, fine, but if the africans see that he is simply deliberately killing them with hunger, which contact, of course, the africans were not interested in this, so now he is making such a move that no, of course i am very i would like to make it clear, we are negotiating, but at the same time, he is already blaming ukraine and nato for this. they are destroying our ships, those that were just involved in ensuring the security of the grain agreement, and there we should share more with them in the match, but the whole logic is strange, but absolutely foreseen and i understand that after all, if erdogan does not play, as you said, zerdogan, then this is the global plan for hunger, it will most likely be implemented, i do not think that it will be

implemented so quickly, as far as i understand now there are still enough grain stocks, it can play its role, no wonder in the next season but putin can think of playing for a long time i don't know that he is already implementing many plans that are not being implemented well, there is a plan to blackmail the europe of europeans there is enough energy carriers only now, so the tariffs will rise yes, all this can increase everything, it is an obvious thing, but then there are questions that are not serious enough. it is absolutely not necessary, will it be so serious ? how is russia planning it? it's simple - it's the eternal engine of instability, you know, what do they do cold , great, cold - it's always great, our ally general moroz, as far as we, uh, we don't know anything, we

will act so that everyone they froze the prankster has already frostbitten my fingers it's painful and it's funny and the mother threatens him uh-uh in the window well, this is poetry, too, to a certain extent, poetry that corresponds to the mentality, the truth is their stupid poem, which we have kerosene, you have well, absolutely too you see, it is possible in russian we say that we have to abandon it and all the answers are all that they want to do. well, hunger also means exactly that, this is also part of such a plan, it may not materialize. this situation is quite uh-uh proverbial simply for putin's intentions or he all the time he wants to get out of this agreement. well, let's see how it will develop in the future. of course, there is nothing good in this. this once again indicates that there is no constructive smell to me. i hear it all the time. well, he has to understand.

he has to make some compromises. look at he lives in some kind of palace, you know, above the ground, and it’s beautiful there. i always look at him, and we talked about it with mr. volodymyr . lilliputians from uh because this idea that there is some uh state that is on the ground and above the ground flies some kind of island, a monarch sits at night and throws stones well, this is putin, he sits for him so well, he does his own work there and she has him many important problems there need another project gelendzhik palace, we need to deal with elina kabaeva, we need to talk to each other there, let them fight with each other, such an interesting life is full, and here suddenly

some ukrainians do not want to be happy that they will also be under with this pastor, the palace of gelendzhik, and i remembered that in his speech, putin said that he was with the poor, not with the bottom, but with the top. only know that putin has a fortune, i don't at all, it seems to me that they are quite tolerant of the fact that the tsar should be rich, why is he so impoverished, well, he just wants to show that he came from a mixed family. you know, this is the idea of ​​the american dream in russian, you know, i am the american dream you came to the united states with one dollar in your pocket, you were given the opportunity to get permanent residence there, then citizenship, you left, which means you received some education at the courses, you got some b-business ideas, and then you didn't pass there either

10 or 15 years in the senate, the founder of hollywood. you have a successful company, you give the opportunity to your children, one way or another, to get a much better education. well, a great example is the kennedy family. well, where did they come from? well, not where. and what people are rich, rich, but they were serious businessmen. they were the first generation of a dynasty, or in great britain, a sunnyk family. well , it's simple, well, having a certain fortune gave their son an education, that's how he earned it. he's rich enough by himself . seven billionaires there she is i was born with a gold-plated spoon in my mouth. and vilozhi - no, well. but for an american, a dream in russian means one ruble to you. you carry briefcases

behind a sobchak. you have a rubber butt, and suddenly you get into matches. well, you can kill and cut there . you also have a billion, you see. well, it’s understandable. well, a poor person who makes an immoral choice can become a lot. the question is always that in the civilized world, those people who got rich due to moral choices are respected. and you who got rich due to immoral choices the elections are chasing them, they are trying to put them in prison, they are trying to deprive them of their wealth, as it always happens with mafiosi, this is not a simple struggle of the state with these people, but we know there and we all know about the goals, the main airport in palermo is named after them policemen died in the war with the mafia and not the mafiosi, although the mafia has a lot more money by several billions, it's good, but the mafiosi still went to prison and this clearly shows how society treats

putin, who is essentially a mafiosi, he is a hero in russia he is respected and considered. well, if he needs money, well, father, well, of course, take it from italy, thank you for the explanation, you mentioned the thing i will remove, which i propose to talk about what the new government of great britain will be like and how it will affect the relationship between great britain and ukraine. from the british mass media so that there is a certain claim against him that he is rich, but everyone is afraid that he will not understand the problems of an average british person. what do you think, let's say there was not much as a result of her economic approaches, this is not they didn't make the poor richer, e.g. boyce johnson it's hard to call him poor, he's just a man from a tech family with long-standing traditions and wealth, his predecessor, well, theresa didn't have much, but david

cameron was also a person from an aristocratic family , that's right, that's the conservative party very often such leaders appear as margaret thatcher, the daughter of a baker, and at the same time she was the wife of a successful businessman, you know, she also did not clean up in her office because there was no opportunity to hire housekeepers there, she was wealthy a woman, well, again, this wealth was provided by their work, but they are not poor in hemingway johnson, the situation is different, in principle, they were born rich people, but the son made his own money, i don't know why we don't think about it - not before we present such claims to kemer , for che johnson, who, you know, were born in this version, who simply get these land plots by birthright, but well, it is possible and it is considered that i am an aristocrat who should understand poor people, but here is the so-called parvenyu whose millions have been earned. well, he

does not understand. i think that it is just an understanding of the solution. there is no understanding for sure what to do with all this. this question is huge, and i think there are two things that need to be understood. the first is the value system of great britain. what the russians hate, they hate the anglo-saxons. why? because it is in the principle of gravitation to freedom, the british political culture itself, and the existence of great britain was not originally said there in the last centuries, it is based on the great charter of freedoms. when this charter was signed, when it existed, there is no information about it it was mentioned a lot, but from time to time the british people rethought it, that what is important is the suzerain and their subjects are equal, he cannot usurp someone's property, punish them for their views , and of course this