her daughter, er, the teacher ate the school cook well, something like that, some kind of cannibalism, a lot of machines are developing a bill on maternity leave for men, this is for those who have already been demobilized and they returned without hands, will they be allowed on maternity leave or how or where are they, where are they there are so many men who will go on vacation and go on mobilization, maybe this is only for those men who are members of the party of united russia, you know, like a private person, then they legally do not go to mobilization well, actually, what can i tell you, for sure not all russians are like that at all for example, i read here in russia yesterday that the russian billionaire oleg tinkov is a billionaire, yes, yes, a billionaire. so, elena butkevich lives on the shores of these chimerny lud yuriy andruhovich

india says that google, i understand, but answered your question of course, it was andruhovich who was googled. well, of course, it is andruhovich, his poem india , i know, i liked it very much, and i still like it now, and if you read it carefully, it seems that everything is about us, that is, about this time, in particular, which we have now, and if you remember wait it ends it's good for all of us, and it seems to me that this includes working for war. well, in general, i'm andryukhovich - this is such a living class. what kind of poetry is it, it's very, very important, as well as at least his early prose, but it's very - very cool and uh, i'm ashamed to admit that even now i sometimes re-read andryukhovich and i don't know any more important. well, recently, by the way, he received

a very prestigious award. andryukhovych is ours as well as serhiy zhadan, who also recently received a very prestigious prize. that's right, the european one, so that's right. ours are writers of whom we are proud. we know something from the beginning of the 90s with him. there's an interesting story, just a billionaire man. yesterday he said that everything finally gives up on of russian citizenship because we do not even want to be associated in any way with the russians in the nsc with the russian regime of suputnivska, but even with the russian people who are somehow involved in the murder of innocent people in ukraine . i watched it, but i liked it. i was interested

in the story that he has a daughter, for example, a young woman there, 20 or so years old, who has lived in russia for a total of 2 years during the whole time, who does not even know moscow, he was from the very beginning and gave some money somewhere in london school, then she studied in oxford. well, somehow, you know, i was interested, i started reading it, and it’s interesting that she, ah, and, they are friends with branson, everyone knows that you, branson, is a british billionaire, probably the richest person in britain, who is very supportive of ukraine with the very first days wars in general, very interesting, very cool uncle who was involved in the space program and flew around the earth on an elephant, he is such an interesting man and , accordingly, it was he who advised tynkova to send her daughter to a british school so that she went to a russian school, and then she herself later admits somewhere in some interview that what am i looking for

, i say well, in russia, i don't know russia there well and she says that once i was in moscow i was terribly impressed that a man was walking in front of me just spat on the ground, you think, my god, my god, that's what my mother says i'm so strange that i'm terribly well-educated and very polite, but i'm saying, well, i'm saying well, because we're taught this way at school that you have to be a cultured person and so on. that is, it's about the fact that when you dig, you dig a little deeper for a good russian and suddenly you find out that he has not been russian for a long time, that he does not feel a connection with what is called russian, russian peace, he is nobody, not she, only his daughter said in one of the interviews that it's a shame , it's a shame that you're russian, it's a shame that you know that you are russians, this is a border and i think that it is natural reaction for every person who is a good person, well , for those who think thinking, people are ashamed of them and those who

do not think are proud of the fact and shout that i am russian and the glory of russia is always mine. abroad, somewhere in the airports, for example, somewhere on the streets of some tourist cities, somewhere in europe, but they are everywhere a mass of tourists, the middle classes of volyn are proud that they are russians, they want to shout in russian everywhere. so now they are not so easy to go anywhere even kiper introduced visas for 80 € now and it’s so easy to get them one day in montenegro, a small tour bus gets on and a russian woman gets on. but it’s obvious that the driver of this bus is a montenegrin and he explains something to people in english. she says to him, “hey , you can .” to speak normally with the language of the word yes and that,

but she did not see anything wrong in the fact that she that she is addressing a person of the citizens of ukraine where she came to rest listen, well, in the meantime, we are in touch with vera konstantinov political scientist, international, this will be given to us, too, on the phone, let's turn on the difficult times , er, and let's talk a little about, you know, what we'll talk about someday, er, a person who, er, as putin claimed, created ukraine, but in fact, this is a person who, let's say, er, made such preserves from the russian empire, which at this moment the channels allowed it to continue to exist for several decades in the form of the soviet union, so now i am talking about lenin. and he has such a phrase that russia, india and china together are invincible, but it is not about ours

there was fear all the time, we see that even aid and early it would seem that a relatively small , insignificant, not very influential country can greatly increase the power of the russian federation by introducing this war, and that is why the position of china, the position of india, the position of latin america som how can it be so that in particular, china and other countries still support russia in this e-war , is there such a danger? i ask the company vera and mrs. vera good morning. time, we will say, it is discussed in expert circles in equal circles, and it is worth understanding that in 8 months, in almost nine months, they uh-uh for

china, i think there have been colossal sums from the point of view of understanding what is happening in the european theater, then my opinion because in fact, the so -called election processes and political processes in china have ended, and the third term of these delphiniums will be the only one that is completely different from the previous two terms at the stage. of course, the situation that was provoked by russia and the war that russia is fighting is leading against ukraine as an independent sovereign state, eh, everything is important to the military, yes, eh,

we will try to sort it out. i still need to reconnect with her in order to understand the current mood in the world and what is happening and how it affects or already affects the situation in ukraine, the situation with the war, while we are contacting her, i saw the video protests in iran are being destroyed there protestors have such partitions in schools, in classrooms, canteens between where are the girls supposed to stay, where are the boys, too, i wonder how these protests will affect iran’s participation in helping russia well, and what is happening in ukraine ms. vera please continue, something interrupts well, but we hope which will not interrupt our conversation now, because the third term of the session will be completely

different. it seems to me that from the point of view of even the politics of the economy and possibly even the military dimension, there is a big nuance that worries the majority of experts who specializes in english for the pacific region, it is the fact that china, with its economic ties with russia, that is, let's say, stretches the russian economy and provides it with such a security cushion from the point of view of resistance. as you like to say, and not because china has occupied some side in the russian war in ukraine. it seems to me that this situation in europe is just right for china, and if you abstract it, it is perceived as an opportunity to acquire additional assets for nothing. and, of course, for the growing chinese economy, which also depends on the internal as well as foreign markets. and if there is such an opportunity to buy up

, as they say, the assets of the russian federation, then chinese companies will do it, and moreover, in this way, they will provide some kind of money to the russian budget at the same time, again, i repeat, this does not mean that china has sided with russia, it just seems to me that most countries perceive this situation between ukraine and russia, this war between ukraine and russia as an opportunity taking on faith what putin constantly says is the reshaping of not just the political situation in the world, but also the economic one, and i will honestly say that i do not share the great pessimism on the one hand because china does not support military russia and china does not support it from the point of view of

sponsoring some such military programs, at the same time, the fact that the chinese side constantly talks about the principles of territorial integrity and sovereignty and the non-violation of borders constantly talks about international law in my mind there is always such a rhetorical question, what if individual countries police themselves as global leaders, how do they organize their international activities based on the principles of international law laid down in the un, then i have a big question. why are these countries still not so active in terms of stabilizing the situation ? in europe or there in other regions, that's why there is a big skepticism here, let's say, i understand our experts on the chinese subject, at the same time talking about what you need to know , uh, in black and white, so identify and define

e and it seems to me that this is a bit irrational and non- chromatic, the situation in ukraine needs to be worked on, and the situation in ukraine is a bit irrelevant to them, therefore, an active proactive position about active recitation, and of course, what needs to be said is what can be perceived . that is, i am constantly talking about what needs to be developed various networks that will have a lot of information about the ukrainian perspective and the ukrainian view of their uh, under the condition that is convenient for the majority of the population of that country and to which we address it . thank you, mrs. vera, uh, vera konstantinova to us turned on uh and we talked a little about political science, international politics, we talked about is

it still possible to involve china more in absentia , china in this war on the side of the russian federation, i don’t see that the russians recently said that they support the political leadership of the entire body of the russian federation, yes, but it is clear that supporting the leadership and participating in this war are not the same thing. and that's good. yes, we continue our marathon and we are joined by serhii soumlen , a german political scientist and an expert on eastern issues . europe, mr. sergey, we welcome you to our ether. good morning, we would like to talk with you a little about germany and about here are these recent statements that germany should not accept those russians who are fleeing from mobilization because they say she would only take in this

way she is also partially participating in the fact that she supports russia and endangers ukraine, but those who found themselves fleeing from the war to germany actually will germany listen , well, look in germany regarding these russian deserters who from the attitude of the mobilization is double, that is, on the one hand, it means that people believe that every person who does not take part in the war and runs away from this war, which is good because, well, putin has fewer people, plus, in germany, in principle, very traditionally, this is a very respectful attitude towards people who avoid any armed conflict, i.e. who do not want to take up arms, well, it

used to happen sometimes. the russian invasion is complete of the staff to ukraine, the german television made such an absolutely enthusiastic report about some ukrainian who is in ukraine and manages an organization, which means he helps people in the army, because here he thinks it is okay to take up arms and go to war even if you are defending your country - this means very bad. this is an unworthy person. why did the germans make this report? absolutely do not be afraid. well, with no logic, it was absolutely disgusting and offensive to millions of ukrainian men and women who will defend their country. the freedom of the will of their children, their loved ones, weapons in their hands, why did the germans do it, because the germans have many decades of attitude towards the fact that a deserter is a person and means a native, and a soldier is a person who is not worthy. it is because of the experience of germany in the second

world war, when german means the last , especially in the last months of the war, it means the nazi regime, he just took people from the street, children, elite people there and threw them to the front senselessly. it is unreasonable and criminal, and running away from war is not only reasonable and, well, dignified, and it is also a sign of high morals and high public consciousness, that is, it is necessary to understand that the german attitude towards these deserters from russia , that is, they are considered in germany from we who do things worthy of the high is real and reasonable , that is why they are treated like this. and i am not saying that it is right. and yes, they are heroes because they avoid participating in a criminal war. of course, this is not

taken into account at all. in in principle support this war because we know that many russians who do not want to personally participate in the war support this war, they support the occupation of crimea, the occupation of donbas and the occupation of other regions of ukraine and the imperial russian concept, so this concept is the concept of great russia simply they believe that this war is going badly, that the chances of dying are too high, that's why they want to go there. they are also absolutely not germans, so they don't think about what kind of conflicts will definitely happen when these people get there. to germany and they will simply be on the streets or even in refugee hostels and come into contact with ukrainian

refugees of these ukrainian women, when they hear this, it means russian , the russian language, because we know that the russian language spoken by russians is quite different from the russian language that even ukrainians speak they say when they speak russian, and it is absolutely clearly audible, but the feelings of these ukrainian women are not taken into account at all. well, in principle, it is not clear what to do with these people, because to look at, in the conditions of war, it is traditionally er deserters or prisoners of war they are sent to special camps for military internment until the end of the war, and we will say what happened to the former prisoners of war heroes of the uprising who

were released from russia, they were transported to of turkey, and according to the conditions, does this mean that they should be there until the end of the war, that is, they are interned in turkey, theoretically, all russian deserters, they should also be interned, they are not refugees, they are integrated military, and germany has no experience after the war in keeping prisoners of war or integrated 10 and i think that for germany it was a very uh not a good experience after the second world war to again make some camps for interned prisoners of war eh all the more russian, that is, well it's just that no one will go for it, that is, there is only one option left - this is to grant them refugee status. and this simply breaks the idea of ​​refugees, because, well, sorry, they are refugees

, you cannot extend the legal status of refugees to them there freely there, we have free movement in the region or city, we have a free choice of life, and we have a free choice of apartment, and because they are not refugees , and germany does not understand this. tens of thousands of russians here are these deserters in germany simply because they don’t get visas now, uh, so if these are statements from german politicians, politics means a lot, such positive ones, let’s accept them, but in fact, well, they simply cannot get to germany en masse, only some units of some kind in strange ways, because the countries between germany and russia do not grant them visas, that is, they cannot enter either the baltic countries or poland, but if they fled somewhere to kazakhstan, georgia, armenia, they will not be able to get there

to get a german visa and get to no less than a year ago there will be practically no results. i think there will be no results, but at the level of political discussion, we see a lack of understanding of the situation on the part of many germans and scientists nickel actually i eh each if in his own eh you can also judge from your own experience. my daughter visited east germany this summer as a former member of the people's democratic republic of the people's democratic republic of the so-called so-called student workin travel program, and she spent more than two months there and traveled she she she she she hoped for the greatest sympathy and sympathy from the germans because they do not hide something, they are ukrainian women, they even came in such er these er caps so we are from ukraine and so on

and so of course there were many germans they were friendly to them and asked how things were going there, but they were not welcome, but not as many as they had hoped, and there were many who simply turned away, and plus they also encountered russian-speaking germans or russians who have some kind of livelihood in germany has always had it some unpleasant cases, they tried to insult them and threaten them and they even had to call the police once. it seems that they were close to this and they were so scared and it depends on me. yes, it depends a lot on the regions of the city, that is, and what it was east germany and that it was some kind of regions, you know, where mostly people vote for the right -wing radical party of the alternative for germany or for the left-wing party, eh, that's not surprising, because these

two parties are very pro-russian and they are not supporters, supporters, they have a very negative attitude towards the country of ukraine, but this is still a point situation, that is, i know that there were situations in berlin when there were attacks on ukrainian ukrainian women and children were insulted there and somewhere there in the south or in the east of the south or in germany, a month ago there was an arson attack in a dormitory where ukrainian women lived, but still , still, this is a very bad and very dangerous attitude on the part of a minority of a significant minority of germans , mainly more germans still supports ukraine, we know that according to polls, 878% say that ukraine should be maintained despite everything, despite the inflation, despite the growth of fuel in germany, and this is a very

painful issue for the germans, that is, of course, absolutely not compared to what will happen in ukraine, but on the sub on an objective level, this is painful for germans, and we know that well, if you just go out on the street in berlin, in any city in germany, you will see ukrainian flags on many state institutions and everywhere, i don't know some kind of poster, and even if you pass through berlin, you will see ah-ah and in the windows of cafes and shops some kind of poster means support for ukraine, eh, sometimes you will see that instead of multilingual invitations, instead of russian, the ukrainian language is put. that is all. yes, but i absolutely do not deny your daughter's experience, and it is absolutely shameful, terrible, and it will really happen, at the same time, it must be emphasized that these are still individual cases and they do not reflect the

majority, nor the majority, nor a significant minority the attitude of the germans, nikein, that is, it is so radical, and the small one is very aggressive, but less, well, obviously, she was not lucky, so she was attacked by the concentration of these axes, if you can put it that way, that's why she had such an experience, unfortunately, yes, sergey for the explanation about the german my soul , which also turned out to be mysterious. sergey, a german political scientist, is an expert on eastern european issues. he was in touch with us. we remind you that our smartphone is ongoing. and we will definitely continue it. the map pleases the eye, the only thing is that luhansk region is still red and that's why. well, it's here until luhansk region is freed from the

muscovites , there won't be any good there, that's clear, friends. anxiety will have to be ruled out at the very beginning because we didn't guess right away that this is all we have at the moment. after mushrooms everyone lived, potatoes, onions were their own, oh , people in the de-occupied territories were in an information vacuum for months without civilization, without communication,

some did not know if their relatives were alive. did they manage to leave the occupied territory. hello, my dear cyborg girl, kisses. i love you until the cities restore communication and communications volunteers are the first to connect the two worlds, i came to the family, uh, they didn't want to leave, they didn't know their relatives, and i'm sleeping with a sterling, well, they connected constantly, they negotiated it after a while, i already took them, and because some people just without communication, they were constantly kept in this vacuum, their

phones were taken away, that is, they could not communicate with their relatives. меня боже может быть всё собирайтесь yes yes yes they are already gathering and will leave later mykhailo is now a volunteer and used to be a successful entrepreneur his hometown is mariupol where the man had a night club but first of the full-scale invasion of russia this institution turned into a bomb shelter, everything was fine, they dropped

the bombs, thank god that it would be on himself, he took everything. the main fragments, well, the shock wave, i felt it, i still remember it . there were so many children, we ran away thank god that the bomb did not fall into the building itself, but near it because if the building had hit it, we would not have talked to you now no, the car that took the shrapnel that flew towards the shelter mykhailo bought it when he was taking his family out of the city , he returned to mariupol six times, brought a humanitarian woman there, and brought back families with children 6 times, he managed to cross russian checkpoints, and during the seventh trip, in order to pick up civilians, he was detained in azovstal, do you know what