then not online, then we have to go to school and the second question is about the children, the children ran to the children ran to the shelter . to be some kind of disease there, to get worse because of the stress that the child is going through because the child is in a shelter, and we are not around, not everyone is normal about it . this is how it will be, is it possible that it is still worth it , or is everyone going online? well, besides some certain regions or everyone learns somehow differently, because here who measures what i, who measured this level of stress experienced by both students and teachers and where is there any room for learning the necessary knowledge, please, thank you for the question, you know a can you clarify the question and in which class is your child a graduate ? well, actually, i thought about it, and here the truth is that we have to admit that, for example, it can be easier for graduates to study online and because they already

have the same discipline and self-study skills there they understand the degree of responsibility and so on and so on and for them, in fact, when the answer started, i talked with teachers and with parents and high school students. they said that it is even better for us online because we are all surrounded now to prepare for the external examination and the children are understand. they already have an understanding of what needs to be done, why it needs to be done, and they don’t often spend on getting to school or anything else. but of course, if we talk about younger children, these are very significant losses from the point of view of the quality of education and eh, and these are losses that may not be enough. yes, that is, we may lose some part of the children, we will not be able to teach them to the required level, simply because, well, they have been studying in this format for several years, for example, i will add mrs. tatiana now, because she disappears periodically. she is in touch with us. i'm going to ask you, tatiana, from your practical experience. here is this siren shelter

, how do children react, how do teachers react, because everyone reacts differently, and again, how does it affect the emotional state of children and opportunity for them a learn the materials that they should learn in the preschool program, roughly speaking, please let us be absolutely right for today because it is really very difficult, but the most important thing that we work at night is to work out certain algorithms and for today i think you already know that in the city of kyiv, educators from the department of education have worked out an algorithm that is widespread in order to develop rules for how to act, how to act for a teacher, how to act for children, how to act for parents, in which regulations will education be organized, of course each school, depending on where they are located, what opportunities it has for shelter for the organization of educational sports, produces its own

individual regulations and it is directed to that, first of all, of course, to safety, safety, as i began to say, to preserve the organizational culture of learning, because we understand that the war will end and our children will come to school and study, and we will work on correcting programs, writing subjects, for us the most important thing is to maintain our emotional state, motivation to study and organization of work as you understand the teachers and the students, that is why it is important for us that we see the children, we worked out a mixed model of learning using distance technologies, we developed it for children who do not participate in offline learning, we offered them

forms of education e-e externship, an individual form of education or an individual trajectory in general, and we are 2 months it has been worked out and to date we already have it in order to reach every child, every school, every educational institution is looking for ways to preserve, but it is precisely to preserve collectives it is saving people, whether they are young or adults, that is the most important thing for us, but we can do it precisely through algorithms regarding the measurement of the level of program assimilation or involvement in level monitoring, we are working on this on this toolkit. i would say measurements because the usual control or the usual the thematic ones that we conducted, they absolutely do not reflect the

real picture, and formative assessment of students’ knowledge helps a lot here and there, these are large individual portfolios for uh, these are for everyone student and for the work of a teacher, you understand, it is also difficult and difficult for teachers to reorganize sometimes, but we work hard on this panina, you know what i will ask about those children who left abroad, some of them are receiving education abroad now, some continue to learn ukrainian as well the school program, and someone does not continue to learn it, or we will not lose a large number of students who will remain abroad. perhaps they will study there and already in higher education, please answer as of today , we have the opportunity to work with such children

with them, there are several ways so that we do not lose a single child, first of all, there is an external form of education for those children who have a sufficiently large and strong level of training, who can behave independently and use, for example, the entire platform. at our school, a virtual educational space has been created on the platform tim and children are absolutely involved in this space and when they have such an opportunity, there is a part of children, what can we do for an individual trajectory, you know that such a decision has now been made by the ministry of education, what can we do to enroll part of the subjects that the children study there and to bring them to an understanding, let's say, of how this is equivalent to our grades and we can work with them, as we need to give the children these

grades in our camp, the only thing is that the graduates of 4-9-11 grades, of course, they will be answer and be evaluated, and our children have the opportunity so that we do not lose any of them, a very large number of distance schools have appeared, not only private municipal schools, in every district of kyiv there are such schools where children can join in that mode in to whom they can, so i really hope that we will not lose our children, mrs. inna. i would like to call just about that. if we talk about the graduation classes to a greater extent, because now there is no understanding until the end, and there will be or well, these are the ninth grades also, because there is also dpa there. and what will happen when this academic year ends. god willing, all the schools will survive.

there will be a greater extent. and is there an understanding of what the children will say about the exams? it will be like last year. well, how about this year, when we had these multi -subject or something else because now everyone are studying and what kind of perspective few people understand . well, in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, i think that there is at least an opportunity to call the minister of education to ask if it is simple well, how can the representatives of the specialized committee also communicate with the ministry of education. do i understand what will happen next? because what is now we somehow understand the concept is wrong, he says they are trying to adjust to work, do everything they can, but what’s next , please eh thank you for the question, a few comments, i can, including, comment on what p tatiana she said uh and she will also respond to your question about safety, because there is no doubt that the issue of safety is now the key, and there is no doubt that safety should be neglected. you can't do that, but the next question then arises. how can we best

guarantee the safety of children and and here i will honestly say that i do not think that there is a single universal solution. it is good that parents now have the opportunity to make these decisions individually, some parents decide that their children will be safer if they are at school and because at school during times of anxiety, children are guaranteed go down to the shelter, and they are there while the children who are at home, for example . well, let's be honest. let's say that it is far from always that children who are at home during an emergency go down to the shelter, and that's why there is such an approach. i personally share it, my son is studying offline and i know exactly when the anxiety is, they and their classmates are in hiding and he is safe and yes and of course it is just as easy for working parents it also opens up opportunities to actually work like this uh but of course there is a truth also the fact that, firstly, not all schools are equipped with shelters, about 60% of schools are equipped with shelters in

ukraine, according to the ministry of education and science, and the second question is related to your previous question about the psychological state. it is also true that, of course, some shelters are equipped it was very cool to make them bright, clean and neat from the school of education management. and there are some shelters , the trip itself, which can be traumatic for children, and that is, if the shelter is in bad condition, if it is not very pleasant to stay in, if after all, there is no banal toilet water, and some birds, and of course it will be traumatic for the children, so probably one of the key tasks that should be done now is to find resources as much as possible, and i know that international partners are ready to finance it and finance it themselves so that the shelters are not just like that and so that staying in these shelters is not traumatic for children, psychologically traumatic er-e is meant well, that's why of course there

is room to grow here, different cities are different suitable in kyiv, allocated some money for the shelter , although we also understand that there is no mutual perfection and there is still much to improve. well , but there are many cities, towns, villages in which this basin is in a bad state, and i understand parents who say that we do not want our child i was there because it will be a psychological trauma that is additional for the children. well, coming back to your question about admission this year, see. this is a difficult question that no one will be able to answer for you right now, because now the world is considering two options conducting the entrance for next year or it will be a national multi-subject test similar to what happened this year but i hope that it will be improved because there were problems with this national multi-subject test uh, which, let's say , uh, because of which you could doubt in the objectivity of the evaluation, and first of all, i am talking about the problem with the fact that there were several

series, several testing sessions, and the children who passed in the later sessions had access to the previous questions and they were repeated. that is children who passed later could receive questions and already receive answers to them from having the results having the previous tests in hand and what if i make a decision about the national multi -subject test and the only test that is conducted online what i hope that at least this will be corrected but it is being considered by the ministry of education and the possibility of conducting an external examination in a more familiar format but of course it will depend on the security situation, yes, that is, no one can give a 100% answer yet, but here i have to add a third point to the question of admission for this year, yes, it’s actually you , right at the very beginning, you said that maybe the topic is not so hyped, not so much, it does not attract so much attention , and so on, and there are not so many scandals , but i will tell you that the appointment in friday

, the new director of the ukrainian center for evaluating the quality of education and a person from the orbit of influence of the well- known regional maksym lutskyi alarmed me just incredibly. but this is an extremely dangerous appointment, despite the fact that maksym lutskyi still has influence over certain of us. as i understand it, he does not just have influence well, this is dmytro's good friend we don't forget tabachnyk and serhiy skarlet, the current minister of education and science. you understand, in particular, serhiy skarlet went to a conference in toronto with maxim lutsky at the expense of the state budget in order to attend a conference on civil aviation issues. attention, what does the minister of education have to do with civil aviation? rhetorical but i think that here obviously i just wanted to go with a friend on a business trip to canada for 10 days with state funds. well, you don't understand why, but if after that the person earns the same maxim lutskyi is appointed the head of the ukrainian

center for evaluating the quality of education. and i, as a person who has been in education for a very long time, remember very well how much effort maksym lutskyi put in to destroy the system of vocational training, now i think that this is a very, very big political danger for us and i really hope that, after all, this decision will be changed, and because now the question is no longer in which format we will have admission. so, in this format of the external examination or in another format of the external examination, now there is a threat that, in principle, the entire system of external examination can to break and i am very, very, very worried about this and i know that the verkhovna rada is also, to put it mildly , very worried about this appointment, i will ask you a question because you and your children work in principle directly and every day the war is an average stress now there is also a lack of light somewhere, maybe there is worry about a father or a relative who might be at war, or even maybe an older brother, uh, worry about whether there will be money in the family, because now people are also losing, well, in fact

, children, children are under stress to a greater extent of course here central north east south ukraine maybe to a lesser extent although again it is relatively much in the west because in the west there are also children from families where, for example, the mother may be with him and the father may be at war or something else, that is, now they are under stress in principle, all the children who arrive in ukraine, how do you manage to work with these children, or maybe psychologists work more actively in schools, what problems do they deal with and how are the children in principle , from what you see, how have the children changed after coming back to school for a few months already for the whole time this one wars, spring, well, spring, summer, autumn, what kind of children are there now and how are they helped? maybe at school, how does it affect the educational process , how does it affect the educational process? have grown up, we generally set tasks in the team so that the children understand

that they are a support for their parents this is the motivation that children should help their parents er be of course, class teachers work for this, school psychologists work for this , we involve absolutely all psychologists we can reach, who come to meet us at the beginning of each lesson, every subject teacher e-e tries to spend such a moment of emotional communication for children and in general in lessons the most important thing today is the psychological aspect of seeing the children, hearing the children, trying to get the children to open the cameras, if we are on a distance

learning format, if we are offline, we absolutely we try in september, the month we have september , october, we had the opportunity to work according to the mixed model. i hope that it continues. ambassadors of peace and a festival and a day of music and a librarian and in the competition and some for them. we even collected waste paper, that is, there are certain things that should be for children. values, children hold on, there is a school, there is a teacher, there is a

psychologist, there are parents, and we are all together, this is a feeling of unity, we are completely different, but we are equal, and we are relatives, this is probably what, today, can give us the opportunity for our children to feel protected and for parents to feel that their children are cared for because when there is inner peace parents have inner peace of children that i am at least something what is stable, you understand this is what the school community is trying to work on this more already in the context of war, i will ask the same question well, it is possible to a greater extent, i am also the filling of e-e materials. which children will receive a special humanitarian education, because of course e-e exact sciences. well, you will not throw away , say, from physics e-e mendeleev-clapeyron or

his familiken or something else. well, because well even though these are soviet or russian scientists. well, where would you go without them, here or there? well, lomonosova did not particularly become famous with these discoveries . well, in any case, there is no exact science, there is no ideology, basically there is either science, or if there is no science, then we simply do not study these people humanitarian subjects are more difficult. and here is the question regarding the filling of the educational material . to offend, there are people who openly support the russian position, the pro-russian position, it can be among the directors, among the teachers, among even the employees of e district e-e education, so to speak , of these departments and such, too. how difficult is this is it possible to fight, as a deputy, do you know any specific countermeasures to this, is there a general line, etc. yes, we want to make our world a european one. we want to cleanse education of everything

that is ideologically, ideologically, russian, this russian world, please, thank you for the question and it is extremely relevant because literally before the inclusion of er, i er participated in a sub-committee meeting in the committee on education and science, where my draft law was considered, which is actually directed er to solving this problem er, now i will return to the draft law later, but i'm just continuing the discussion. you are absolutely right when you say that we have a lot to work on. and i, as a person who was born and raised in kharkiv, and my friends continue to live there, some relatives, i know perfectly well and understand to what extent he is infiltrated this russian measure in the system of education and secondary education and higher education in the eastern regions of ukraine in the southern regions of ukraine, and of course it is necessary to fight against it, but the truth is that the problem is even wider because even there in the same western regions and in

in the central regions, teachers also need support, and because what is ms. tetyana about, about what teachers are trying to talk about the war with children , they are trying to explain in some way, but teachers also need support, and teachers, even if they are pro-ukrainian, they need to be helped, work, talk with them, maybe a psychologist can help, there should be some methodical materials for how teachers can talk to children about the war , yes, because it is also very difficult, and even here, even if, well, how about we leave it in the soul for in parentheses, the question of the discussion is how to get rid of the russian world and patriotic teachers, they need support in terms of how to teach them to talk to children about the war, how to talk about losses, how to convey this information, and what information to provide and how to work with children if their fathers are fighting and mothers are reading or if someone died and these are all very difficult things,

i am very sorry that there is no national policy in this direction at the moment because we have the academy of pedagogical sciences there, whole institutes and so next and so on, what should we now offer these materials for teachers, yes, teachers are now largely left on their own or there, well, in the best case, the directorate works with them in some way, but here are the only materials, how to talk about it, how to work with it no. and it’s very unfortunate because then well, it’s a matter of chance. yes, there are conscientious good teachers who will talk about it and make an effort. and there are those who will simply leave it somewhere in the party and will ignore it or even worse. ruskomira and otut i will return to the issue of my draft law. and those that are still in the summer seem to have been registered and now the committee is finally

considering it. it's a shame that it takes so much time, but believe me, even today at the committee meeting, i heard many arguments like, well, maybe it should be done not so sharply, and so on. a committee meeting and then a meeting of the verkhovna rada, er, i would say that at the meeting under the committee, i announced a split of three against four , fortunately, four were in support of the draft law, but hey, just so you understand, it's just, er, how often, even in these conditions, the verkhovna rada is afraid to do lessons that for some reason are identified as harsh. well, well, we hear different arguments about what they said there, and how to read scientific works, etc. and so on. well, i honestly do not understand why we automatically do not yes i know that in in the universities of kharkiv, in many educational

programs there are texts in russian and there are texts by russian authors, this means that the children who study there are students, they a priori must read in russian, even though this is not a requirement for admission to the university for some students, that is, traumatic, unpleasant, and so on. and yes further, but in spite of this, all this is present, and it seems to me very obvious that it is a simple decision that it should be changed . it would seem to be acceptable under these conditions, what happened, that 's why we really need to work with this, we need to think about what to do with those teachers who openly promote the russian measure, because we have formally written in the legislation on education that there is a state policy in the field of education and implementation politics is based on the principles of respect for territorial integrity and so on and so on. but the practice is such that it is far from always

that people who promote some russian values ​​are automatically fired. but here we are, even in kyiv were but at the national medical university, for example, and when the students were already starting to get indignant, write appeals and so on, but this is for students and students, they are more mature, more conscious and they can fight for their rights more. and what to do if it's a teacher in the foot in the p' in the 1st grade , children will not be able to understand that what they are being told is unacceptable. and if they are not able to clearly voice their position, then of course it is not worth hoping that those whom they are teaching will be able to evaluate it, and it should be some kind of state policy in this regard. in which direction, again, unfortunately, we do not have it. to this day, i want to remind you that even the removal of russian authors from the literature program took as many as 7 months. since the beginning of the war, the ministry of education could not formulate what they actually want. they left one work on which there was a discussion - this is bulgakov's heart of a dog, and

they decided to leave it here. well, that is, unfortunately, very slowly and unfortunately, you know, the ministry or some national institutions have such a guiding role, you know, there are very, very many things it remains not to buy off schools, of course i respect the principle of school autonomy yes, but firstly, schools need support, yes, secondly, where there is an obvious contradiction with national interests , there should be intervention and the release of those people, now a minute, yes, please ms. tatiana, please, our colleagues and we use the protform education and platform for the lesson and general education, we use the trainings and svitlana ros and kateryna holzberg e-e from psychological e-e unisets unisept e-e methodical recommendations

today there are a lot of materials that allow us to use and adopt teachers - this is our weapon and it is provided to us professionally, it is simply possible. it is not so widely distributed and we can use our social media in order to give them more, well, let's say such publicity, but what is and there is professional help, of course it is. and as for the e-e work from what to remove the russian e-e russian peace of education, you know, yes, it was fate that i have been for many years, 85 school e, there was, rather , it was correct, it will be said for pleasure of national minorities, it was determined by the state that

we were, and subjects were taught in russian , and you know that immediately after the invasion, they stopped teaching russia and russian literature in russian, and we switched completely to the ukrainian language, and we were given the opportunity to provide textbooks in the ukrainian language if not in printed form, then in electronic form for all children from the 1st to the 11th grade, you understand, it depends on the position of the civic collective and each teacher , here i agree with certain and not absolutely and must to work precisely on this because, unfortunately, in the great ocean of education, as in any body of water, there is foam that hits and can create the impression

that everything is so bad, sometimes cases, which individual cases cover a single general picture , well, that's what education i am determined that there will be no russian world in education. i am absolutely sure. territories, because this is actually a very big problem, literally by the minute, by the time, there are more ladies and new ones, first of all, first of all, it will be necessary to have a toolkit to assess their level of knowledge, and because we do not understand whether they are taught there at all or not, and even in such seemingly neutral subjects as mathematics and evaluate their academic results, and in the end, not only them and the children who sat under the

bombs in kharkiv are also necessary. the task is a much more difficult task to understand to what extent their psychology was changed by studying in sub-russian countries under russian occupation, and even here we must admit that these changes took place, that these changes were traumatic, and it will be necessary to think very carefully about how to help children rehabilitate after this. i agree with ms. tetyana that even now there are many resources available to teachers , my comment was about the fact that they are not state-owned, it is not the state that provides it, but other agencies. my comment was about the fact that actually there should be a state political system, let's go ms. tatyana. what do you think, based on your experience, and we will be more likely to come to ukrainian education in this school , you just need to love them and accept them as they are, they should understand