to work so that every child of ukraine returns to the educational process as healthy as possible. well, it's adequate, too, because there are many children's herbs now, so there must be a balance, that is, i will further inform you at what stage, if the acceptance of the fact that our children will be able to request for return only subjects that are included in the ukrainian program, since the ukrainian language is not in the program abroad , this is just a moment, ms. lilya, and if i may ask you, are you looking at the activities of your , so to speak, successor and and that's why the biggest problem with scarlet fever is that the president's office will show what is working well, and this is his

main priority, that is why such a minister is very convenient . money should be withdrawn from education. there is no problem. it is necessary to reduce the educational subsidy . defends his industry and of course i understand that the war and our priority today is defense, but we can lose us anyway now we will definitely lose part of the young generation who will not return to ukraine and now it is necessary to understand that on this educational front we also need to hold a certain bar and we need to understand . for example, now there is this specific question that you raised, what should be done for this? to provide for the enrollment of all subjects except for ukrainian-centric ones, which

ukrainian-centric schools have, respectively , to provide for children today, schools do not have the right to do this according to the legal framework, that is, in fact, it is, well, not something so extremely complicated, for this, this decision is needed pass through the ministry of education and science, that is why the problem is actually, well, its emphasis should be shifted not from this profit-making position, but , after all, to defending the interests of the industry and all those who work and study well in that industry. thank you for this. explanation natalya pif people's deputy of ukraine liliya hrynevych, projector of the kyiv university of cherkasy sciences from

16-15 years were with us today. before the conversation, i can just say about the shell, i just don't know, i don't see much with him, well, i read something else, some interview with him. maybe he's a more or less good manager who doesn't know the word no. in leadership, but the question is that i don't see in him that he has an understanding of what ukraine is, what ukrainian is , identical, what is ukrainian science, education, and well, that's it, it's just that - it scares me, it scares me. when such a person now answers, for example for education , does he in principle understand what this is politics, for example, where is colonization or where is russification? does he understand what was wrong, for example, with the program of ukrainian literature, so with

ukrainian spelling? at least he understands something about it, because if you look at it from the outside, it seems that he is not naked, what is it called, but maybe sometimes a person who deceives the impression well, maybe he actually led the spirit of a smart guy smart guy, what else would you give him a proper name? well, but he looks quite similar to this subject. well, let's go further. i see that you wanted to talk to him. i would like to explain an interview with him, for example, a special interview for him came out a long time ago . do you know his last name? it's so bright, but that's why i don't know. well, you've studied it, of course, for this case, we'll talk about a different topic with the directors of the energy programs of the razumkov center, volodymyr omelchenko, he's already in touch with us, mr. volodymyr, we congratulate you, i congratulate you too, volodymyr

let's still start with a very loud event, namely the release of half of naftogaz, a windmill, and i understand that it is possible that these are all naive wishes, but as i try to understand why, even during the war, we all understand that the position of the head of the national bank, for example, must be independent, and well after all, there must be some such things, but when we talk about naftogaz of ukraine, where there are huge funds, where there is a huge corruption component, then we think that it is not important and it is possible to dismiss a person actually according to the decision of the cabinet of ministers. we understand that he was fired for the cabinet of ministers, he was fired not for us . what is kubrakov better than him? is he a

more experienced manager in this field, or does he know better, for example, the needs of naftogaz ? to be honest, i understood with dissatisfaction. well, not that you rather, yes, that is, there is no talk about kubrakov at the moment to make him the head of the board of the nak naftogaz of ukraine. as for the dismissal of yury yuriyovych vytrenka, this can be said to be the summary of all the work on naftogaz of ukraine since 2014. when such a sweet couple worked at naftogaz. these are yuri yuriyovich vitrenko and andriy volodymyrovych kobolev, that is, they really implemented the project of corporate

governance of naftogaz naftogaz together with the government and created the supervisory board but as we saw, they promised to increase gas production there by 7 billion cubic meters at the expense of this, on the basis of this, they implemented an increase in tariffs by almost an order of magnitude for the population and for industry, but the tariffs increased, gas production, unfortunately, did not increase, on the contrary, it decreased since that time where did these billions and billions of money go? well, it's hard to say today. well, i know that there was such a recommendation to release the tax return, including that it was considered by the temporary special commissions of the verkhovna rada.

takes part in this commission and indeed the documents that were opened show that, in principle, not everything was good in naftogaz, you understand me correctly, i am not saying that vitrenko was a good manager. we remember the violations and actually the destruction of corporate law and there will be his appointments, i don't want to say that he was a great manager, don't you want to say that he replied that his appointment is legal once again i'm talking about what we 're seeing now with his removal i understand that we martial law and so on and the like. well, i'm just saying why do we think that it's still good that we had some stability at least in finances, and naftogaz can be kept under manual control because it's there simply because it's getting stronger in them kubrakov, that's why chernyshov will go and so on and so on, all these games, well, is this good in principle for the industry? well, it's just such an approach, when the principles of corporate governance are destroyed, this is a country that

says that we will join the european union right after the war. well, this is ridiculous you know me i will tell you that there was no serious corporate management . because there was a certain scheme in place, they actually appointed foreign directors to the supervisory board at one time. there was a majority there, but they did not work very hard. they did not deal with this company very much . agreed on very large salaries for the company nak naftogaz ukraine, that is, to indicate this, uh, it went with the river from year to year, it all revolved around those salaries for themselves, these salaries for themselves , everything was fine but uh, in my opinion, what the supervisory board that was formed was also completely ineffective. unfortunately, that is, the results of the naftogaz company of

ukraine for all these years show how the production indicators, first of all, they demonstrated the main indicator - that is the production of natural gas, we see that this production is despite it did not increase, and this is a very bad story, because now it would not be a problem for us to have an additional 3-4 billion cubic meters, and it was absolutely within the power of nak naftogaz, but they are not very they were concerned with production, they were, so to speak, engaged in financial flows, indeed, there was a lot of corruption, i generally have a question as to whether the oil company is needed, in my opinion it is not needed . financial flows from production, i.e.

naftogaz could very well handle production without a sign, and transnafta and now the operator of the gas transportation system of ukraine, i.e. nak naftogaz is, you know, the fifth wheel in the truck , that is, well, in my opinion, hmm, yes, volodymyr, regarding these attacks, which are aimed primarily at distribution stations, substations , why do the russians know so well where these substations are located. does this or does this mean that well, where do you think they have all this knowledge? can these substations be, well, conventionally speaking, quickly restored in another place, then they are somehow classified , that’s the question, well, there is a parendo, mr. danilov, what is it the organization of shelling of the ukrainian energy company infrastructure, mr. kiriyenko was the first

deputy of the office of the president of russia, and precisely because he worked for a long time in the energy industry, he headed the company rosatom. well, he, accordingly, has some understanding of these in this system. he selected the appropriate specialists who advised exactly where to strike and how to strike but the initiators and organizers of all these actions are definitely punkers who are just like that. by the way, he believes that it is necessary to destroy the ukrainian infrastructure, and then ukraine will recognize, you know, the territories captured by russia as belonging to russia i.e. that's the simple logic. well, i think i answered your question. why do they know where to go? they allocate 55 million dollars to

help repair and support the operation of the heat supply infrastructure. can we be 100% sure that this money is really even the structure will go, and not as it was in our country, you know that sometimes the money did not go to those to whom it should have gone, well, you know that 50 million is a very small amount, so it is unlikely that it is enough here, you probably need to review the tariff model, well that these huge expenses that are now borne by the operators of the ukrenergo campaign distribution system are somehow covered because otherwise they have already suffered losses of hundreds of millions of dollars and otherwise these companies simply will not have the opportunity to occupy very expensive equipment. to maintain our energy security, so i think that here the question is with the

anchor of the kp so that it takes this situation into account in the market model in the formation tariff model, but at the same time it is also necessary to ask our partners americans, europeans, so that when they supply transformers with payment, with switches, other equipment, power lines, there is still uh, our prime minister called on all of us ukrainians to prepare already, start preparing for winter and sign up for the necessary aa, i don't know what he meant privately, ukrainians now know for sure because they saw it with their own eyes. generators are being bought up in polish construction supermarkets or on websites as well. well, there is such a thing, but if you want a powerful, more powerful generator

, then you will pay more for it, if more than 500 €, then, accordingly, this generator weighs more than 50 kg, it must be cleared through customs. and is this additional money, or is it possible in such a situation that we have? because the prices that are available in our online stores, well, even finding these generators is also impossible, but there is also the question that for this you need to make changes to the legislation, this is quite a serious procedure, but you are probably right here it is necessary to deal with it in this critical situation , it is necessary to do everything so that all the necessary equipment for maintaining the energy supply of the country gets into the country as quickly as possible without obstacles, he says

that ukrainians should already start preparing for winter, so maybe he should also somehow to help the ukrainians to start preparing for that winter er, well, probably, probably so ensuring the country's energy supply depends on e.e. entrepreneurs on the company. first of all, ukrenergo energy center, dtek energo, other operators of the distribution system deal with e.e. the government, yes, it really coordinates the situation, but again, i would like the government to work more proactively, not reactively, because well, many experts said back in the summer that it was necessary to provide finances, to foresee in order to replenish emergency stocks, indeed

, attacks on the infrastructure were expected. anti-aircraft defense, but unfortunately we have government officials and so, by the way, our elite, unfortunately, so to speak, they are mainly empiric materialists, uh, unfortunately , they lack enough abstract thinking and they act already on the fact of some kind of event, this is a very serious minus in state administration, but again, i don't know that this is typical not only for our country, but also for many countries. well, the british warned that there might be blackouts there, then it was already in the news that they are already buying flashlights and generators and i suspect that it is not only the people there, but the government is also like that because the government is to a certain energy of all this, you are right. but if we see the general policy of the european union when

there was the pacification of the russian aggressor and they said that in the northern streams only this is what kind of business and only in fact, they have already reacted to this, so this can also indicate what it means, not all such politicians are very, very good analysts and predict the situation, that is, all this is also volodymyr for the conversation volodymyr melnychenko the director of the center's energy programs, razumkov , was there and we spoke with him on various topics, and now we are adding mark savchuk to the ether, he is an adviser on anti-corruption policy, the axes are coming, and the chairman of the public control board will be on the way. good morning, mr. markus, tell me what is happening on the anti-corruption front, so to speak

please, we heard that in particular he was taken to court again and they are starting to play eh, dogs, yes, this case was eh, you have seen it for several weeks because different parts of the accusation were heard, just eh what is the preventive measure chosen not at the last court session, but at the court session only at this one ? serov decided that some part of the taxes that are paid by the ukrendfarming company will be transferred back to the company and for this he received money, this is the same business in which he became famous a few years

ago when his nicknamed mr. checkered checkered blanket. is there somehow a blanket, if i’m honest, i don’t remember. but that’s how it was. when he was being transported, remember with a checkered blanket, that ’s it, that’s it a-a well, nenasirov came up with this, and he quickly lays down on a-a ambulance, this is a standard reception of all our corrupt officers because and in that case, you have a doctor who says well, a man is dying, you can’t arrest him, of course it’s clear to everyone that this is not the case, but even if the detective isn’t a doctor, you understand that it’s a dream, he really can’t tell 100% directly probabilities that a person does not have an attack, and realistically, he will not be sick . at this moment , that's why such a story has happened in the last few days. shevchenko, kyrylo

shevchenko, catch the national bank and there it was used, as far as we understand, the history of the investigation is the same, that is, in this case, whether you want it or not, but in fact the investigation could become part of the political pressure, what do you think about it as a person who is in a single line rady with e-e public control and who are you talking about now just now on the screen nasirov and you who are i talking about kirill shevchenko and his appointment andriy pishnoy of course it was the absolutely central part of his dismissal, well, they are leaving because that’s how it was directed that i somehow he leaves due to his health condition, of course , again, there are no problems with healthy people. let's just say so, but much more unpleasantly, he leaves the position when a detective comes to you and says that you have a suspicion. here, please go. to us a-a law enforcement agencies want

to talk to you that's why a-a kirill evgenievich a-a firstly he left the country and secondly a-a he wrote a statement that he was walking due to his health condition and then when did a-a first of all, the announcement is that he is one of the suspects, and since he was not in the country, he was also announced by search, and the situation is a little different. here is what happened, naturally , there is no real reason. there are no problems with the healthy here, but he left because the authorities and he were already there осветомлены о том что а-а podozrenie emu signed а-а two years ago er-e we remember that er-e one of the deputy heads of the president's office and today the president's office is actually the cabinet of ministers and the parliament and all together in one person in several persons. more precisely, one of those people who manages , in particular, the force and legal direction - oleg

tatarov, was then nominated to him, in particular, nabu, in c. well, together, of course, with the anti-corruption court and the corruption prosecutor's office accusations of an attempt yes, er, in the hb, an attempt to give a bribe even then they even asked him to be taken into custody and with a bail of 10 million hryvnias, what has changed now in this case, she is not on time now, she slipped past the deadline , yes, i don't know the validity, and so on. a-a applied to the pechersk court so that it could issue a decision er-e let’s say so is the case a-a under sledstvenno nabu or so on and so on there is another article, not not giving a bribe, which is natural

is simply a farce in the help of er decisions , because er, the judge’s decision does not determine the prosecution of the case, the prosecution is determined exclusively by the prosecutor general in this case, that is, it should have been her decision, and it was in such a way as if it were legal - why is she because at that time the main prosecutor was irina indykova, and she was simply asking to inflame herself in this way , and this is the decision, and it’s like the court obliged her, and they came up with such a cunning way, eh, for sitting in the nabu and sap and give it to the sbu and reclassified the article of accusation a-a, although of course it is well, it 's nonsense, it's not like that. assets and there is a prosecutor's office. well, in nabu, this is a body for judicial investigation. the prosecutor's office is a sap. and in the sbu

, the prosecutor's office is the general prosecutor's office of ukraine , and he got into a case against that person, in fact, it first froze and then died . here's what happened with that case, it means that this case is closed forever and no one will ever return to it. and formally, she is still alive, but my personal opinion is that she is 100% dead. okay. that is, it is not a problem that the person who was accused was suspected of in terms of corruption , he remains a person who, in fact, because of the fight against corruption, corresponds to a certain extent in the description of the president. well, of course we talked about it and we demanded the rates of the prosecutor general and so on and so on, but unfortunately i am not with him i am the prime minister and the leader of the faction, so here it is. dear voters, if i were in the parliament, i would work in a different way. well, our powers are limited. what can you

say about the new prosecutor general? he was appointed and the only manifestation of him was that he signed the appointment of the head of sap klymenko to the position of a-a prosecutor general a-a it’s good but now we see about what is natural let's say er-e sab and er-e nabu will investigate a-a people's deputies from servants of the people then a-a will sign the permission for the nsd the prosecutor general unfortunately unfortunately until now so that a nabu depends on the permission of the prosecutor general to carry out investigative actions in a-and in relation to people's deputies, including, of course, the servants of the people, and this means that they will know that if he signs something, he will immediately say about it, in principle, it was indigo who did the same, and

although in the last month, she did not stop it do and i have a very strong feeling that it was precisely because of this that she was removed from the post. some a-a a-a servant of the people, a deputy, a servant of the people, and when a-a investigative actions of a-a or msrd are carried out, the a-a deputy suddenly instantly loses his mobile phone and stops altogether any contacts with a-a potential people who should i tried to give him a bribe and he just disappears this simply means that the general prosecutor simply told him that uh, you are already under investigation, and like, stop talking about it in general, in principle, do nothing so that the law enforcement agencies do not have additional evidence to bring you to court. if this were not done, then ah, hmmm,

we have a committee that is headed by a piece of paper most likely, ah , the whole committee could go according to the article. well, we manage to attract only one deputy. that by the way this story and about the deputy who is going to be investigated there about half a million of some medical cases transferred there and so on there damn in the zhytomyr hospital. i understand that this case is still under investigation. well , tell me a little bit about what is going on, but i didn't understand from your description. well, there was a story about what happened on september 23. but i just read about it on the nabu website, about the fact that it was directed against the current people's deputy. the case is already the second one to put the new leader about almost

half a million hryvnias. illegal benefits. received by one of the people's deputies, but it is not called who it is. it is only about the fact that the case about him was initiated even earlier. and even in the 21st year, they tried to get permission to deprive him of immunity, but the then uh-uh there was the then uh-huh general the prosecutor refused this . and kuzminnyi, i think so. and they are talking about him, but they do not have immunity now if the case is open, and then eh. whatever, but suspicion could be given only after the parliament voted now, other rules now, how would we cancel the inviolability of a-a, which means nothing because a-a the prosecutor general decides to open the case at all

or not, in other words, yes, this vote in the council, we just - we just don't get it, let's do it right , it's just the right one, because if you vote against it, you bear political responsibility for it, the whole country is watching for it, and that's why, as a rule, they always voted for the right thing well, because no one wants to be angry with one another, the case will be interesting in order to say before that because this is just a representative of the servants of the people, we will see how this matter will develop. control nabu was with us, but now irina koval will be with you and with us , she already has a fresh selection of news and she will tell it to us. thank you colleagues. in just a moment i will tell you about the successful morning landings, because the military has already learned to shoot down drones and missiles very successfully, i will tell you about how the security service of ukraine works and also about losses