today, the social contract of a new country is a part of this invention, because until we say that our rules of the game are like this, whether we like it or not, the rules of the game will be like this and continue, in principle, you go beyond these limits. in principle, you fall out of the this story is about who the elites are. well, in fact , there is no definitive answer to this question in any country in the world, so you can say that you are an elite , i am not an elite. minister but he is for the position the elite is the mayor of the city, he is good or bad, but 50% of the population of the city voted for him in a conditional election, x he is also an elite, and that's why summer is a fairly large circle of people who are engaged in business , politics, science, and are moral authorities, by the way, we have very few moral authorities despite everything despite the war, but i'm not up to that, i'm up to what's more, but all the same, now i will morally repeat , well, i was a general of authority, god forbid, that is, i very carefully put it so that the dobuma of the

chosen ones flies, not a, but eh, that's all really a question which are not so much about money. how much about sufficiently subtle matters of trust, understanding of a common future, and so on, that is, there are two examples for everyone. at that time, they were marginals, absolutely marginals, but they agreed that we would give up territorial claims to belarus, lithuania, ukraine, and that's because we understand that there should be buffer zones between us . they said that our way to europe is to build it honestly according to the european way and they, whoever came to power, they changed their ruling parties several times, they always adhered to this social contract and thanks to this, they became one of the most unsuccessful positions in the post-soviet countries is an example georgia, which in principle of the times of saakashvili , they made a decision with a vouterist method

that we, well, corruption at the grassroots and middle level. at the top, we were not going to do this, but it also gave an impetus for a certain period of time in ukraine should become a leader in its region in certain segments in principle, but it all started with the fact that the elites said to themselves that we should play by this right in our country, unfortunately, so far despite the appearance of moral authorities and another story. we continue to live in the paradigm that, well, we will come to power. yes, so that we can figure it out. this is our biggest problem until a number of things are articulated and everyone will understand that theirs is not reversible until we step on the rake. you can take any moment, i am asking for a social contract - this is a consensus of the authorities and people who accept one another, we had a bad social contract, yes, the authorities say you can not pay taxes, but we will steal and everyone says, well , we are there we lived in the 90s, we survived like this, then it

changed, then we got angry, some started paying taxes , they stole, and there was a disconnect. now we have a clear understanding that russia is an enemy - an enemy, we are going to europe, we are going to europe, we have no division, here are the outlines of a new society, the details, well no, it's not, it's a detail look, we understand what we want in the eu and in nato. okay, this is already part of this agreement. today, we have a majority throughout the country for 50%, for 65%, what people want is in nato, so there was no such thing, so this part of it is good, but it is an agreement even there were no political marginals, yes, who later wanted to become the summer and the stalins, and this is already a society among itself, it is already a ready-made decision, it must be taken and implemented, it is supported by sociology, and it does not matter who the president is, the prime minister, the verkhovna rada, everything must be implemented because it depends on him great request you will get all the political points, the same with the eu, the same many things there, the same reparations from russia , the same victory, these are already clear things, this is part of

it, at the expense of moral authorities and trust among the population, there is trust, it was not expressed very clearly at the time was like that, but look today, for example, we see a volunteer movement , there are many volunteer organizations, there are even people without funds who collect millions, but it is about trust, i trust you, i give you money, do you buy an armored car there, do you buy a javelin there or not it is important that this says that we are a correct society in principle, we were just afraid to admit it to ourselves, the war, all the dark times, yes, purely according to churchill, we saw ourselves that we are correct , more normal people, but we always felt a little stuck in europe. we are some the complex is a little less expensive, but here it turns out that we are the only normal heart in europe that beats , the french, the germans were ready to surrender. let's go putin is strong there, a big cruiser moscow is there, the crimean bridge, the nord stream, so sorry in from the pleasures of these favorite toys, putin is left with only two kabayevas and kadyrovs, we have no cruisers, there is no northern stream, no, it’s all the same

, it’s already the second league of his pleasures, we beat all the russian myths, and today we really have this and the last threat of putin left nuclear weapons, tactical, but nuclear, good luck, more, but we are not afraid of it, we are moving, we are building the country, and there is one more thing that is connected, also about the social contract, we are now experiencing all this together, all parts of the country are experiencing and blacking out, yes power outages and missile attacks and all the rest , we are going through it together, that is, in the future, politicians who want to engage in divisions for russian money will have no basis for this , because this suffering is experienced by everyone, it is the cementing of the nation. these are very important things, but in terms of our general we are learning topics for march , at one time he came to kyiv and he had a book presentation there is no room for small dreams this is about us we need to demand the maximum here is what we said they are protecting us that we have 300 and we let's say seven hundred. okay, let's agree on 570. it's normal, but it's not 300 anymore, but we just have to raise this bar , demand more and get it. ugh, but it was a certain

provocation from me. money is absolutely important, that is, there will be no such thing as they will give us a certain amount and she will decide when the money is broken, it is actually somewhere under a trillion, not not in money, happiness, but not without it, it is true and we need money, but now we are beginning to understand that well, what will we get so there are 300-400 750,800-900 billion and what we will do with it in this sense, i will also present vadim's position on a-a position because a-a having money is one thing , being able to spend it correctly is another. these are not the same thing at all exactly and if i am very impressed by your conversation - this topic arose by itself, someone suggested it about the project of ukraine and the vision of the future, and what do you think about our

european western partners, they are aware of the fact that, for example, we do not have a vision of the future yet, can they help us help with this visions, for example, ukraine as part of the european union as part of the european union is a whole narrative. well, for sure, the western is a born joint between ours and the western and in principle it is clear to us. but how can ukraine look like a part of the european union and ukraine as a part of nato and ukraine as a part there i understand that there is a need to create a system or several or a network of seven so-called tanks, but what else do we have to do? i will tell you, please. in principle, our key problem will be and we will save a huge mass of these moral authorities, they will say that the europeans should help us come up with what ukraine or the americans should be, or

if someone is not amused, it will be the biggest mistake that can be because, you know, when i give an example from life, i will not accept democracy when we started the conversation about green energy, they told us how great it is that we are a very serious country in green energy. so we had one single problem, which is that you have a wind turbine that is produced and that is in germany for 99% of the money this is german money from a german manufacturer. and for us, 99% of it was in china, germany, the united states, and so on, that is, in principle, we invested in foreign economies, and that is why we talked about how great it is that our energy works. green energy there, it reached there five seven percent blendro balance, but we just invested in someone else's economy, we will be offered now. no matter what anyone tells me, but this marshall plan will be built on the fact that we will be offered to invest 300 billion in someone else's economy, and first of all, our key task is to

today's moment to make it so that you know when i was a people's deputy in my past life, i remember how much i said and proposed to do things according to the so-called localization well, when you want to sell a trolleybus here, that means 50% by trolleybus these are conventions there 30%, 40 it doesn't matter, it should be produced here, in principle, a brush, we laid down a number of associations that are moral authorities now, er, authority, nothing, i understand who belongs to who, this is meant and this is why i am very careful to the concept moral authority, but here is our main first main task that we invent for the future of ukraine is to say that these 300 billion have, yes, they will partially invest in foreign economies. they pay money, which means they will demand certain things, but we must build a system so that in the future there for five to seven years , this money is mine, these things should be produced

here . what are our proposals to the world when the poles started in the 1990s the way to the current situation they clearly realized that it is economically most profitable for them to be the tail end of the german economy. well, first for poland, that is, uh, well, i don't know. you're just more about honor. it 's easier for me to talk about it. there was nothing wrong with it . because they understood that this was a plan that would allow them to be the same in 5-10 years, then in 20 to be that is our key task, that's why when we talk about the future, about what we need someone to show us, no one will show us anything good because they all have economic interests, and this is absolutely and absolutely normal, absolutely right, we need to understand where our a place under the sun and how to make a balance between getting the

maximum amount of money and the maximum amount of money on this uhu i think that, well, not really because i don't want to be the tail, because i see that the herd is turning around and the one who was the tail can now be the leader this standard now this war has changed europe the president here is of political significance let's not see when when how there the caravan suddenly changes direction and the lame camel finds itself in front right but not for long no and here it depends on us whether we want to be the first or we want to be overtaken because there are things where we can objectively be the first, for example, look for for example, now i will take russian gas, he said everything 100%. and what we are talking about now, about the revolution in dagestan, what we are talking about does not exist no revolution in dagestan can be good, it can be theoretically, it can be anywhere in the world, it can be, can we invest, are we today

so that the war was not here, but the war was there, they have a game to be good, well, sorry, but if we will to wage war all the time only on one's territory, then only our infrastructure would suffer, only our people would die, is there a political tool to throw problems on their territory yes there is can we use them can we in cooperation with other states from britain i i don't know with anyone, but we can do it. and for us it will also be a tool of this future so that there is no war here if they want to attack us . we should write them but we should not be afraid to be a leader because if we give this primacy every time to someone it is not a fact that the second thing will turn out, it is still important for us, too, we should not think that we will now filter every hryvnia and be yes here it is that is why it is therefore our task twist this money as soon as possible, and if it happens, it means twisting now, the audience is not like that, no,

digest it inside the state. for which you received this money a billion dollars in the 90s, a billion dollars today are just two cosmically different things and the same if we will receive them for 100 years, well, for that it is a value because this billion somewhere in a year two five 10:15 it's faster to invest in your country because once again this is a parallel process here if we say tomorrow that a freak will happen tomorrow what should we do because bridges? yes, we understand that they must be built, and definitely eh. everything must be done. but again, even bridges must be built wisely, because once a very famous city told me how he ordered a very famous kyiv organization cities he was built this plan for terrible money, three

levels of expression, 2 autumn junctions there and so on. and then he says i invited a team from i don't remember where from germany to switzerland, and it's simple, and then he was told about what dyvys says here, instead of a two-level interchange, you just need to make a left turn and that's it, just put a sign for 200 uah, that's it. actually, what i'm talking about, that's why we have to understand the future. because when we talk about the future, they lead here money they have to go to the economy to go to the economy that will be working here is our key task, that is, when we talk about not only getting money, but also taking care not to let it back in. yes, so that they stay here, so that they stay here and work here for the next decade, only then will it have an effect, because otherwise it will be the afghan option, where did they really invest there, for example, the scheme of concessions, yes, and we know that, for example, there are deposits of oil and gas,

lithium, lithium, that's all, in general, it's better than oil , which is that the situation today is that gold yes, it’s white chickpeas, diamonds, phones , absolutely, but it’s not known whether ukraine has the necessary technologies for mining now, there is none, it means that we will have to prepare, it’s normal to cooperate, a concession, right. after all, we must go to economic nationalism, well, that is, i have always been a supporter of economic nationalism , when we talk, when we talk about medicine, it means that, in principle, they will divide among themselves, well, economically nationalism assumes a simple thing if we have lithium, then yes, we together with the company xo use it lithium, but there should be a factory right there on the territory of ukraine, which will make additional value, that is, yes, no, i think that it is a base, for sure no one will argue with this what not no one should sell it, we have experienced the entire history of raw materials and we

have seen that raw materials are extremely tied to the past. still, to build the future, we really need to tie them, but nothing will be bad. if we cooperate with those countries that have technologies that are ready to quickly produce results. and that's normal. we need to enter global markets, and it's also very important that we also need to grow our campaigns, our factories, but also launch others here. look, the germans negotiated for their factories, and for some reason they were not fired upon. there are still a lot of french people thinking about it now . probably an economic shield of other economies, then they will say putin is no longer attacking poland , no one is leaving that it can be our power now because putin now has no power to go

neither to poland nor to the czech republic, not only, not only about security issues. compensation from russia does this mean that it is not profitable for us to russia fell apart, then the responsibility for compensation begins, the soviet union collapsed, the embassy remained, russia once took on that type of debt service and type to calculate all the republics and take exactly 100% in 15 years. without the permission of the russian federation, we will still return to the situation on february 24 sooner or later , therefore our key story in the future is definitely the development of the russian empire, how in this situation not to suffer from an explosive wave from that and secondly, how to ensure compensation which russia must pay us reparations and so on.

well, there is an international freeze of foreign currency reserves of more than 500 billion e-e in the world, and that is why i thought that here is precisely a mechanism that does not yet exist in the world, theoretically, it is possible to invent. well, secondly, russia demonstrated that it can disintegrate quite predictably the collapse of the soviet union it was not libya, it is not iraq, it was divided and, plus, the nuclearization of certain territories was carried out in parallel. ukraine, our task is a strong ukraine, not russia, and our task is to worry about yourself, let the wall be there, they still want our task to be strong here at one time, when china was weak, the soviet union was constantly pinching, now russia is pinching china. yes , she is even afraid to think about it and dream about it. or even speaking out loud, our task is to grow, our task is to strengthen both in the defense sense and in the economic sense. well, the most important thing is that people return, that people want to live here, that people feel safe and rich, because here

what will happen now, for example, the reconstruction of the country, there is no need to ask questions, yes, now we will live poor, then a little better, no, this is the goal, to make the citizen a rich resident of tel aviv, a very capable person at the global level, or salary from the point of view of his real estate with from the point of view of the services that he will receive, this is a person who lives practically in california, this is our task to set high ambitious goals. so maybe not everything will work out, so maybe something will go wrong, but then we will still take more than we will to set low, unclear goals, well, that's the only thing i can do, man, what i can add is that when we talk about how we will become rich and so on, it won't happen right away, and that's why, in principle, i understand that it 's good to use political slogans to talk about the fact that we will become a resident tel aviv residents of california, but a resident of tel aviv is a resident of tel aviv, a resident of tel aviv lives on the same level as a resident of california. well, a little poorer, but in the middle east, it is rare for anyone to live like that. no, if we say that he lives like a resident of california and lives better than a resident

the middle east is different things, but it is, well, we can discuss a lot about it. we also do not have any political problems, so i speak absolutely honestly that we speak absolutely honestly that yes, the first period will be difficult. but if we have an understanding of our future, in principle, we will have this selita consensus, then with the social contract, yes , indeed, within 5-7 years, we can make an incredible leap that will allow us to truly live at the level of the poorest countries of the european union. that is, it is the level of slovakia, the level of portugal, and so on. so on. well, very often ukraine is compared to two countries, eh, in the future, maybe south korea and another country with which an analogy is drawn, but it is from a different point of view . such an approach is unique. our history of okovets is purely that they

poured oil after the iraq war, their oil was given to them by technology, we are not about oil, just take the oil to the forge. he does not know what to do with us, even though you can take anything, but ukraine continues to live. you you can bomb it, drop missiles, but the country is alive, the economy is working, we see traffic jams in new cities because people go to work and come back, earn money, pay taxes, and what is the point? by the way, what is the secret, what is it about us that we love this country, we want to live here precisely because we don't want to, do you understand what the war changed and what and what was inside us, but we didn't argue because of the political divisions of the old politicians because we constantly manipulated the past and now people say i want to live here i want for my children to live here, i want my company to be here, i want to pay taxes here from poland, from italy or from portugal, people pay taxes and look at the latter, our scenario is still closer to israel to korea, but i do not agree that we can live as the poorest countries in europe, our task, after receiving these reparations, is to reinvest them so that we live better than in these countries, then what was the war for, what were we then going to fight for, and this for screwdrivers? no, let's tell the truth

. one a year, that is, and god forbid that they should be, because i can say that they will be lost, that is, in 5-7 years, we can really get out, these are the goals that we must set before ourselves to reach the standard of living that is at this moment in the poorest countries of the european union, the european union, i repeat, in principle, it is possible and it is realistic. if we talk about what is our secret, the secret lies in several points, the first and probably the most important is my network nation, that is, there are very few network nations that can so much to co-ordinate and connect unfortunately, mostly in the most difficult moments, that is, as soon as it becomes a little easier, we can return to shuster again, god willing, and this and uh, dog fights on tv uh, the second moment that is no less important , that is, before the war we did a huge interview, a sociological survey of 5,000 people, do you break down who

is who among ukrainians, who is who, and one of the most basic problems of ukrainians was that we were formed as a political nation, but there was a more global gap between the person and the state, i.e. i existed, there was a state, now the war brought people closer together, they brought people together, the state is one of the things. it is wrong to say so, but the gains of this war cannot be left to us under any circumstances, because one of the most important keys to success in the future is that we continue to talk that i am the state , if we continue to do this, and this is possible only when you believe in the state, when you see the future, have trust, and so on, and therefore what i already understand, what you have, what you should be proud of, and then in principle, everything will work out for us. but if we will speak from political slogans. yes, we must say that we should live as in caliform, well , we do not need to lie to ourselves, look for it, yes, but in 5 years,

the form, but in 5 years. does not represent the president of any political party, is not an administration, we talk about the future at political debates, i will tell you more, we talk about the political future and we do not know which parties there will be. to communicate with the system, by the way, it is just so that we know that three parties have been put in the parliament, and very simply, i am trying to make sure that we tell the truth to each other. after 5 years, we will be able to receive decent salaries. but these salaries will gradually increase. if we go with all these things which i was talking about gentlemen i think that actually you er everyone is talking about the same thing it's just that you have er and i'm sitting apart from you thank you for arranging such a vacation for me i'm just sitting and

looking at you i'm glad to hear and your arguments from both sides and even the way you argue is not a big deal, but it is good to argue. therefore , the future was also beautiful. we killed the dragon and did not become a dragon . someone else will want one thing, but the task is to maximize it, and it is in this discussion that the truth that we are fighting for today and that will be our future will be born, and in any case, i think that such the reason for the emergence of such an ardent discussion may also be that you are from different generations. you need to have a project for the future and a vision for the future, because without a project, any amount of money is possible, as you understand, and gentlemen, i have to

say goodbye with a sad voice, because time is a little bit on my face, with a smile on my face, you already know the irony - my middle name my name is oleksiy ironia fadeev and this is mykola davidyuk, a political scientist and vadym denysenko, director of the ukrainian institute of the future. we had such a maybe not the most simple but interesting conversation. the future of ukraine, including this is the only thing worth talking about now. thank you all, the marathon is ongoing, the only news, stay with us, tell me

honestly . your family for two children you have work to do we survive and we have to go through it and we definitely live focus attention on your feet lift one of them and make an active movement as if you are trying to shake something out of yourself, well, like dogs shake yourself out of the water. at the same time, try to relax as much as possible the leg on which you are doing the movements, then do exactly the other one further from the right behind your hands. equipment in your first-aid kit, self-help is more

difficult here than in the years of independence of critical infrastructure, so we have to prepare for the most difficult scenarios. keep warm, it will be difficult, but do not lend fighting spirit to the ukrainians. think about an additional safe source of heat. this winter , everyone should be responsible. suffered destruction together and warmer and more fun, stock up on flashlights and power banks, charge them and stock up on food, water, and warm clothes for a friend who is a neighbor in a group it is easier to beat the enemy and to winter. moreover, the most important thing is to support the armed forces, thanks to them, we have the opportunity to meet this winter, and as long as we are united, we are not afraid of enemies or the cold, stick to each other, we

will overcome the winter together, the rules of a warm country, that winter, no house will be destroyed by the state and cities do everything possible to give cheerful people warmth, it is our job to preserve it, unite with neighbors, insulate your house and your apartment, check the electrical wiring, take care of alternative means of heating, draw up an action plan in an extreme situation help each other, let's beat the winter together

, ah, ukraine!