what the americans and europeans now want to prescribe will be 3 billion dollars per month. this will allow us, even with such a budget deficit, to avoid any significant pressure on the flu regarding the overall consequences of the budget deficit . the growth of the national debt and now it is difficult to blame the state that the deficit is so large, will there be? well, because the war, yes, and we understand that everything social is financed by our western partners . and this is precisely the budget deficit, mostly, but for now the situation is somehow dramatic, the situation is not changing, the debt is indeed growing and will continue to grow next year, but it is crossing certain critical limits, such a moment helps us a lot. if for the first time, well, first of all, a partial restructuring of the external debt has been carried out, it is frozen, we do not pay anything when we borrow money from the americans are grants, that is , they give us money just like that and we don't

have to return it when it comes to money from european partners, it's really loans about it yes, however, this lender is somewhere there for 25-30 years and mostly there under zero percent or almost 0%. and that is why in 25-30 years this money will not be so big and half of the broadcast will be eaten. and in the near future there will not be any significant pressure on payments to service this debt because, again, the interest rates there are minimal, therefore, on the way out of the war in our debt-to-gdp ratio, that is, the debt burden will be much higher than we had at the beginning of this year, but in ukraine it is already quite the 16th year, we started at the level of 80% of the debt before lp a in the 19th they reached the level of 50 e-e after the war, a competent macroeconomic policy will be able to allow us to return to more or less acceptable from this side well, the most important thing is that this debt that we take will be very, very cheap and therefore its servicing will not

be a burden the budget is already under as much pressure as it could be if we were to attract these funds on the market, in fact, probably even more important is the realization that we will be without unnecessary, let's say, demands and questions to provide this assistance er various kinds of assistance reversible irreversible er- e debts in including, and again, returning to the issue of the deficit, it looks like so far the budget for next year looks like the skin of an unkilled bear, both literally and figuratively . do we have any understanding of the guarantee from our partners that they will be able to keep this is an important level of financial support for us, because we see that it is difficult in the economic sense, it is not only in ukraine, but the situation is worsening economically in many countries in europe and

the united states, as well as in society there is already a question to their authorities in connection with this, mrs. nino. can we now rely on the help of our partners, in the understanding that they will definitely provide it? and it is very dark for me, but we see you. i think that regarding the agreements to date, there are already a lot of questions. these questions were asked many times by the minister of finance at every stage of his meeting with the deputies, heads of factions, and mr. serhii , the minister of finance, says all the time that in the negotiation process is open and ongoing, everything depends on the next agreements with the imf , the next program with the imf and so on, but i would

like to note here that all the support provided is provided to the people of ukraine, and we greatly appreciate this support and there will be a time when we will respond again to the question and what did we do at this time, did we make enough decisions in order to reduce expenses that are not critical during the war, to look at all of ours, at all of our state machinery, at all ministries and executive authorities, in order to reduce to a minimum expenses and work, understanding that we are borrowing and going, these debts will have a great impact in the future during the restoration of ukraine, and you know, i have such a general comment, and this is the sediment that remained after the adoption of the budget, taking into account such a stable and

broad line of support, we could not work out all those items of expenses in order to reduce them , cut them and work with such a limited budget to provide state functions there and not be afraid of the fact that we should have a reduction of 50%. of these expenses, rather than by 10%, as the government and ministers and the prime minister are now declaring, we have reduced it by 10%. turns out to be 10%. these are vacancies that exist in everyone in every structure, and the fact that there was a reduction, no one will notice, it is not the reduction that was necessary, and there are a bunch of programs, i calculated that at least 4 billion, which are definitely eh, well, illegal in 2023, when we

left them because our relationship is like this, you know , somehow we will live for one day, today is there tomorrow, there will be no well, we heard what the prime minister told me that if there is no help this month, we don't know how we will plan expenses and pension and social expenses, and we are already used to this, and we should already be reorganizing into bigger, more understandable for us and for the people, how will we to act in the event that there is no such help, what steps will we take for this answer. we have not heard this answer . finally, i would like to clarify with mr. serhiy, we understand that naftogaz of ukraine has resigned as one of the strategic enterprises that should play its role now. i did not just have it is an honor to speak with mr. serhii. well, i would like to ask you to voice your version. serhii, the reasons for

the resignation and appointment of chernyshov as the head of naftogaz of ukraine are not the real reason why he was dismissed, in principle, this whole story is not to be repulsed by surnames. demonstrated how important the procedure of the institutes really is, because in order to appoint that p vitrinka, they broke the cooperation with our western partners, do you remember then, the tapes of the journey , naftogaz said at every meeting, naftogaz naftogaz naftogaz did not hear him, and this had a significant impact on our cooperation in the future, and you saw that naftogaz under the chairmanship of vitrenko, which became toxic to our western partners , was unable to achieve anything to maintain the energy security of ukraine during the war, and nothing happened. and this the result of that destruction

of the constitution is the destruction of procedures, and this should be a lesson for the future. now, once again, we have not seen a competition. yes, there is no supervisory board. so far, this is a risk. of course, mr. chernyshov can to be better interlocutors of ours for our western partners simply because it is not toxic and support and it will be the same start from a clean slate in a certain you but at the same time if we want state companies to be effective we need to return to the mechanism of corporate management of independent competitions when the best candidate is chosen, but the one who is appointed a politician. and this management of the politicians of a state company, she has never done well. thank you, we remind you that there were contacts from the studio people's deputy of ukraine nina yuzhanina and investment banker serhiy fursky about the complex budget for next year which the verkhovna rada adopted literally yesterday, by the way,

we will talk about other decisions of the ukrainian parliament later with our guests. incredible alla and yulia from slovyansk, who successfully worked in donetsk region for six years after the full-scale invasion of russia, were forced to escape from shelling and move to a safer area and we stopped in ivano-frankivsk, later we also opened a coffee shop here, which we had in slovyansk. we are seeing the success of our internal migrants. the point when you understand that there is nothing more important than life. and when people still depend on you, because they are our employees, their families are there. well, for example , personally, my mother needs to do something in order

to protect them as much as possible, and the situation, of course i wasn't the best, to put it mildly. well , in general, i'm adjusting to the fact that during this period in my life there was no entrepreneur in ivano-frankivsk, and resettled women did not dare to open a business for a long time, they hoped that they would return home soon, and later realized that they would have to delay, so they started to set up, first we baked desserts , and later we thought about a full-fledged establishment. it's not about business, it's about the state of mind, it's, well, it's impossible to live without it, when you're still 6 years old, you live in this rhythm, where for six years you do what you like, what makes you so high, what makes you smile, then you're left without it, and well , you have to somehow we need to move on, we need to do something

, we need to recover, we need to restore our country, help it , help the army, because we did not have the opportunity to do this when we only baked desserts . to a new place, because it was possible to bring out only some decorative elements from slovyansk, this deer is a deer in quarantine, by the way, because yulia sewed it in quarantine when i was in the flack-down and i was working, she made it completely by herself, tied the sweater , shoes, jeans, everything she did herself we already miss him a little bit, because at home the children loved him very much , they pulled him right by the neck. that's why he is like that in us, well, it's our symbol, i'll tell you honestly, we don't go anywhere without him. partly, someone's elements are pots. so, we have all kinds of cool horses. iron this is how the head of the fish is. i don't know, i

love it very much because it's like that. it's a little crazy. we brought it from home. the owner of the establishment, yuliya, tells us that the menu was left as it was in sloviansk, so among the offers there are also drinks that the residents of ivano-frankivsk previously did not cost in we have a very interesting drink, uh, philadelphia. it is made from philadelphia cheese there. well, this cheese is also included in the composition. it also includes pink himalayan salt. it is so very delicate, but very rich , creamy and a little salty. i haven't seen frankivska, for example, after a few months of working in ivano-frankivsk, the coffee shop became one of the favorite places of both locals and immigrants. khrystyna came from kharkiv and says that she found out that the owners of the establishment are also internally displaced people by chance, and now they have become their regular customers in first of all, to

support and talk. i came from home myself, left everything there and started everything anew. it is very difficult and somehow i want to support, take my friends everywhere, tell someone else, bring my parents, do such a small advertisement so that more people would come here and it's a really good place, it's delicious and it's always nice to talk to both the baristas and the owner, they're always happy, no matter if you're from frankivsk or kharkiv or from somewhere else, besides private drinks and delicious desserts, the cafe offers various master classes for children and adults, and part of the proceeds are given to the army to win and return home from prykarpattia as soon as possible ivan haruk ihor gursky espresso tv channels i would like to thank our colleague ivan to kharukov for this extremely warm atmospheric story. well, we are going further, analyzing the internal political situation in our state

. volodymyr tsibulko, a political scientist, and mykola davydyuk, a political expert, are also with us. mr. volodymyr, i hear your courageous voice and wanted to ask. what do you think, why the process is stopped? well, regarding such truly iconic characters, you understand with the skyn seal on their foreheads why somehow their hands do not grow to them, well, first of all, we their hands grow up to the medvedchuk who has been replaced. that is , it looks comical in general. imagine that the state spends money on the maintenance of their assistants for a few months, that is, the budget medvedchuk. well, for what,

while the deputy is considered active, his entire team is supported by budget funds, er, next , in general. well, an example of this of a double-edged approach to the situation, do you remember that we have an opposition party that was banned by the courts, but we have a faction in the parliament that is now not called a faction? the group of deputies is, by the way, a precedent. i would like to hear lawyers who explained to me how from the faction because this is a party list, er, a deputy group was suddenly created when er, the party was removed from registration by a court decision, why these people sit in the verkhovna rada. and i want to say that the entire vertical is deputies in local councils the remaining sharia party was removed from the administration, and the sharia ato

sit along the entire vertical in the regional councils, city councils in the districts, this, this situation must either be resolved or , well, here it is necessary. to the chairman of the verkhovna rada and to all the lawsuits listen, i would like to further clarify such a procedural point, i.e. and medvedchuk's salary we also pay, that is, medvedchuk is sitting in moscow there and i am sending someone a text message there, transfer my salary as a member of the verkhovna rada to such tokartka or something like this, that is, we pay as long as the deputy is considered active, his salary is calculated, so mine is ready, they didn’t see it with their ears, they didn’t hear it, but anyway, the ukrainian state should not give its citizens, is he good or bad, and what

kind of activities did he actually engage in in the russian federation, but medvedchuk went on exchange , does this mean that he is deprived of ukrainian citizenship due to the fact that he has citizenship of another country, and therefore, if he no longer has ukrainian citizenship, why is he so far, the people's deputy is still the question. and in general, frankly speaking , for crimes against the ukrainian state, he should be serving a sentence on the territory of ukraine and not be exchanged for political motives . er, it creates circumstances when zelenskyi’s honest word or yermak’s honest word is more than the law in ukraine, this is a wild, absolutely non-european practice and it actually distances us from the european union. well, this political scientist mykola davydyuk is already on our airwaves. well, let’s ask the honorable

mr. mykola, to comment on the history, so to speak, of the characters who remained people's deputies of ukraine, although they are no longer in ukraine, if we are talking about kovalev, mr. mykola, i congratulate you, we congratulate you, i have not heard of you before i think that putin blocked our conversation and that is why we did not succeed in dictating everything. so, let's get back to the topic , so to speak, two were deprived of the status of a people's deputy. well, a few of these really toxic characters de jure are people's deputies of ukraine, and somehow this whole process will stop, albeit as if and the majority is there and the regulatory committees are working, well, all that remains is to bring the matter to the end, as volodymyr tsybulko just threw such an idea at us. so it is not excluded that medvedchuk's assistants and medvedchuk himself can still

to get a salary from the verkhovna rada how so, i think that most of all, volodymyr mykolayovych is right, well , as an experienced parliamentarian and political expert. well, it seems to me that he is extremely right, because most of all , money passes and they receive it, and i think that it will have to be stopped, nothing, i think that medvedchuk will suffer from us when we take away all his real estate, we take away all his assets, and there are 5 billion dollars of stolen fsb property, so i think that let's put it this way, we will compensate the deputy's salary with many things others and i, who are her planes, the only thing we will leave to him is oksana marchenko. well, it's a shame for somewhere up to the 10th knee, this is 100%. at the expense of the deputies and the deprivation of these and the deprivation of the mandates of the deputies. i think that it is not enough to listen to two factions of the opzj - it was 3:4 a dozen

, most of them are collaborators. have a different citizenship to directly deny that they work for ukraine, that they lie, that their oaths are not constitutional, they are not citizens of ukraine or are not only citizens of ukraine, this is ukraine, let 's understand the law about citizenship. the fact is that the ukrainian state, in principle, imposes some unconscious sanctions, but absolutely specifically issued a certificate for the citizenship of a second, third, fifth, eighth country of another country. primarily recognizes a person as a citizen if he has a ukrainian passport if he has other passports definitely this also plays an important role, but first and foremost - he is not a citizen of ukraine now there are many tools about this, we must also speak honestly, for example, if we

treat the law superficially, then that will be the case, then kolomoiskyi illegally has two citizenships, i have four, so look. for example, god blesses, but it’s not okay, he was, well, out of two thousand, for whom he worked with 2,000 citizens of russia now we are making sure that he worked in russia and there are many of them . deputies or on such so-called citizens. let's talk about it publicly, why did they make up how did they make up, which was a legal basis, because this is the answer to how to deprive collaborators in the verkhovna rada of their mandates. well, how can we fight? and in the verkhovna rada there are deputies who vote there, they don't vote, they come, they don't come, but they are the bearers of state mandates and representatives of the people, who

we are not the only representatives of whom they are this and the battalion of monaco and b - this is the kremlin that's what works now, that's why i think that it is still necessary to raise this issue, scale it up, not two, at least five times, five times, ten times more, we should make a mandate, we should not allow people who carry russian or hungarian passports the russian difference between them is disputed, but some kind of mechanism is needed. i don’t know. it’s a healthy step-by-step process. well, what about rabinovych ? take it as a precedent and let’s work. well, look, there are two precedents. it can be like kovalev, be perebinovych, let them choose. why should we be kind to them because they are beautiful they sit in monaco they are robbing our state schemes work in many why do we close our eyes to this too and about whether it is possible to find a tool you can see you can always find an answer you can always find we are a legal

tool a question of desire there is a desire, we do it, there is no desire, but the political will is conditioned by the political river, look like this, in fact. for example, does the border service have information on which passports they flew under, or make an inquiry about other countries, our mps with such surnames did you fly on other passports , flew even in this war, for example, there is a mp who used to leave ukraine during the war under romanian and hungarian passports well, there are such, therefore, in fact, in order to clean the parliament during the war, it is not necessary to dissolve it, because we may find ourselves without a parliament, but there is no need to dissolve the parliament, let them work, sir mr. volodymyr, we would like your professional comment, well , everything is very simple, it is necessary to criminalize it. well, the

sealing of second citizenship upon entering the civil service or when being elected as a people's deputy of ukraine or a deputy of all levels if a person is similar for some hearings , citizenship must serve 5 years in a ukrainian prison, yes, and accordingly, mr. volodymyr, i would like to ask you about the deprivation or not of the deprivation of citizenship of the famous ukrainian philanthropist ihor kolomoisky. what about that case somehow she went on the brakes a little, so to speak. well, she went without a hitch after zelenskyi published a decree on depriving ihor kolomoiskyi of the citizenship of kolomoiskyi's company, only eh, well, i'm adding to the rage, they started winning tenders in the ukrainian state. this is the question of where the decree is. uh, that is, it

seems to me that the deprivation of citizenship of the philanthropist ihor kolomoiskyi is connected with the fact that the law on oligarchs uh, when the government changes, all these people will go to court and they will say that they were illegally deprived of citizenship that 's all and they will win an interesting theorem, a kind of pythagorean theorem, well, on the other hand, i wanted to well , we can't help but ask you about the history of our glorious, not poor, oil and gas company of ukraine, a strategic enterprise, we remember that we had epics , so to speak regarding the appointment of a wind turbine, how tense were our foreign partners here ? suddenly, something like this happened, and on the first day, vitrenko no longer produces oil and gas. agos naftogaz, and now here is mr. chernyshov. as far as i understand, there were also certain

slight violations in the procedure maybe no maybe i'm wrong but there is a conflict of interest and it was not possible to appoint him at all i want to remind you that a conflict of interest in the romanian anti-corruption legislation he is punishable criminally that is, this imprisonment does not have the concept of conflict of interest in us but in principle i am surprised that the special services did not even carry out a special inspection on him, in my opinion, they waved their hands on this matter, or if the sbu even had any complaints, the cabinet of ministers simply waved their hands and approved it in fact i really think that the task of mr. chernyshov is to finally bury naftogaz so that it disappears as a business entity because, in fact, working capital was washed from it and a lot of bitumen was bought, and that bitumen somehow evaporated on the roads

of ukraine, so now the general idea arises that the naks as such are not needed at all, they must be replaced by market economic subjects and have fulfilled their mission. it seems to me that it was the 14th, 15th, 16th year when it became such a budget from the structures that milked the budget forming enterprise and paid 120 billion hryvnias to the state budget every year, he was the largest taxpayer in ukraine, now he is not, and the assets that belong to him managing the subject, you have to forget about it, well, this is a serious reform, in particular during the war, in particular during the energy crisis we are entering, whether we want it or

not, and it is generally about strategizing the heating season of the 23rd year, not the 22nd, but the 23rd we generally do not know what the situation will be with our gas storages, for example, friends, i am the heating season this year, that is, what will be on our own, the nac is not such a market-shaping entity. prices, of course, this is a quasi-market situation, but still it is closer to the market than if it was fully regulated and carried out. the other is not really important for our western partners, the appointments have trolls, the procedure

has a role, and we are holding on thanks to their support, so to speak, but the appointments are already procedures, and when kobolev was expelled, then they already began to raise the question that the supervisory boards are dissolving what are the gates, the number of violations, so now regret and to say that the new one came with violations after the previous one came with violations. it’s still a closed circle, it’s clear that er, somewhere, somewhere it slips. well, but right here, it’s more important now. the concentration of the steppe, what volodymyr mykolayovych says , the owner of the objects, is the provision of real gas in real pipes in real households, and now the task here is at such a level as to protect our gas storage, this is first of all air defense, and secondly, to preserve just the same heat supply networks because there is also a threat that they can turn off the water and in some cities there really may not be heating. and this is very, very important , extremely important, this responsibility is again,

whether it is on someone on the wind farm or on the chernyshova. yes, here in general, the issue is of the highest political responsibility, because the country is on the verge of a really extraordinary disaster, again we also have to understand that this is a disaster, it came from the north from putin, the missiles that fly into our energy system are precisely labeled by russia, but at the same time, they are doing something very strange, they could to say that they are defending iran like that, they say no, it's geraniums , we want to be responsible for it later, don't touch our iranian friends well, it seems to me that this is the most important thing to be responsible for now will be in front of the western partners, including the constitution of ukraine, if they violate it , but now the main issue is to maintain the energy balance, to maintain the heating, because we are really entering an extremely difficult winter, it will be the hardest winter in all the years of our independence . get rid of management at the appropriate levels. thank you, volodymyr tsibul