oh, about the fact that we were not equipped here in winter, they did not give us weapons for the nearest means, and so on, money will not be drunk, this is generally a chronic story, and it is, so to speak, extremely complicated , because a-and i repeat in the system corrupt from top to bottom these problems are eternal, they are chronic decrees he then blows the faces of the convicted and um, uh , and they attract a dude , wagner, for example, and there are no legal bases. there is a few people there, and here he is still going, and you don’t understand where he is going with the weapon, eh, there are iron rules, never in the army to accept people who have been tried, people, the more, there is no best term, why then already? the army follows wagner's man there, it will be resolved now, and we can get used to the system of defense

. i don't think it will affect it in any way. but here the zheki are fighting with dude wagner under bakhmut . they cheated a lot and took bakhmut. the next material you see what is 450,000 zhekov in russia well, the law is less than what is more thank you we will finish with this mark feigin was with us on direct communication thank you so now we will have a short break we will return to you and the teleporters with vitaly the porter will always expertly answer my questions regarding the most interesting topics of this week. i am iryna koval, mother, wife, host of the espresso tv channel. and i am also a volunteer. our soldiers at the front need a lot of things every day, and that is why part of my life today is helping the armed forces. of ukraine and i am very grateful to my colleagues for

supporting me in this. now i walk through unfamiliar lviv, not kyiv. i go to an unfamiliar coffee shop and drink delicious lviv coffee. everything alive and everyone alive in ukraine owes the army to the army . the words are synonymous in ukraine because without the army there is no life to help the army is to help life you help the ukrainian army and life will conquer death everyone of you can even a small contribution to support the army saves the lives of our soldiers and brings our victory closer the most important events events that are happening right now and affect our

lives, of course, the news feed reports about them, but there is little to know what is happening, you need to understand antin borkovsky and invitation experts soberly assess the events, analyze them by modeling our near future that saturdays at 1:00 p.m. with a repeat at 10:00 p.m. studio event with with anton borkovsky, we continue the program of the saturday polyclub on the espresso tv channel, angelika sazonka and vitaly portnikov. so, in this hour we will discuss such topics, in particular, the dismissal vitrenko, is it a political decision, what he is remembered for in this position, we will also talk about the fact that volodymyr zelensky said that ukraine will not participate in the g20 if volodymyr putin

is there, among the main topics of our conversation will be the topic of israel, the elections in israel, and the victories are obvious not tenyagu, also the visit and meeting of mr. olaf scholz , chancellor of germany to the people's republic of china . vitryanka, in fact, he was remembered for such scandals as the $4 million award for the victory over gazprom in the stockholm arbitration, and for the fact that we are nagging, they wrote out a prescription that he could not be appointed to this position as the head of naftogaz at all, and from the last one, his a-a adviser bought a bentley for $500,000, which is the truth that he was fired after this showcase, because it was during a full-scale war

. from the point of view of nazk so nothing special changes here. so here too it is necessary to change the charter of naftogaz itself so that state officials can lead it, because naftogaz, on the one hand , is supposedly a private company, on the other hand, it is not, and therefore it is not illegal. says that, in principle, there is no question that a person who worked in state structures is the head of naftogaz, the truth is not that you declared naftogaz not what it really is, but that i just think that it is not a question of the candidacy of vitrenko or chernyshov. the question is that how all our statutory norms are written, this is the first thing for you , the second point, i think that the personality of yulia vitryanka at the head of naftogaz is incorrect to evaluate from this point of view, which we do not know, what would have happened to his head if naftogaz had not been in a war situation because this is an absolutely specific situation and there was a lot to talk about if, er, one way or another, this company did not

find itself in er, those completely predictable problems that are connected with the start of hostilities , because i, therefore, i avoid in principle from any evaluations of the activity of any person and the effectiveness of the inefficiency of the government vertical when it comes to the wartime period because we can compare there the efficiency of people who worked in the wartime with the efficiency of people who worked in the peacetime and it is possible to find out that he means this if a person remained as the head of naftogaz there, andriy kobel, let's say, served much more effectively than yuriy vitrenko, we don't know because it is possible that it would be so, and it is possible that it is not because competence during military operations competence in a normal period is different competences. this is absolutely obvious to me. another question is the question of the authority of such a person: to what extent yuriy vitrenko could

defend some of his decisions in front of the authorities and to what extent the authorities are generally ready to listen to managers of this level, we remember constant conflicts, we remember that vitrenko was against the default of naftogaz . well, what little importance it has, it didn't matter fate, then you don't matter at all, who will manage naftogaz, i don't care it doesn't matter, just as in the soviet union, it didn't matter who the minister of the oil and gas industry of the soviet union was, if this minister of the oil and gas industry had any personal relationship with leonid ilyich brezhnev and someone was a relative of his wife or a friend family, but he could somehow insist on his decisions, if he was not a relative in this, then he was just an ordinary cog in the vertical who could speak at a meeting of the council of ministers with some report to defend some of his position, but the decision was still taken by the politbs in this

way, the politbureau cpsu was completely equal to what the minister of the gas industry thought there, and even if as a result of their decisions they were not very competent people because they were usually party workers, something was being destroyed well, then you were not of course executors and not this is how this system looks and by and large we live in such a i would say that there is relief in the soviet system of management well, it has already been three years in a row and now to this relief of course, this system cannot be effective, and we understand this very well, on the other hand, it does not matter too much. because the ukrainian economy is basically destroyed, the majority of our budget has to be financed by borrowing in principle, i think that there will be a moment when the external management of ukraine will be carried out by creditors, and the people who today hold higher positions in the ukrainian administrative power will

simply consult with these creditors as best they can to spend their money, and those who will not be able to spend their money well will be forced to leave their positions again under the pressure of the same creditors, of course it is unpleasant to hear, but it is an absolute reality, the stage reality of a country that, in principle, is not able to provide for itself, i just want to clearly say that it will not be able to provide for itself during the next 5-8 years. we have to prepare for a period like this. i would say it can be called solidarity. it can be called effective external management. it is possible. effective external management would not be necessary if we did not live in the soviet system, but the soviet system, which was rebuilt here after the last presidential and parliamentary elections , is ineffective for managing the country in a crisis period, and with this, people who occupy all the highest management positions in ukraine are needed just put up with it, tell yourself that everything is over in our time

. they are absolutely busy and they think about how they can get power, how they will be popular, it all does n't matter, you need to think how effectively to cooperate with those at whose expense the state will support itself during the period of reconstruction of the war, which is unknown how long it may be and reconstruction, which is unknown how long it will be. how effective will these people be in this? ok, i don't know, i think, in principle, that returning to professionalism is the main task of ukraine after how the war will end is the main thing, if we do not return to professionalism, no victory in the war will allow ukraine to enter the circle of european nations, we will be a ruined, poor, depressed country with which they will flee everyone who will have some kind of problem in their head and this is even more will create problems for further reconstruction. so this is very simple. i really hope that the ukrainian people are, in principle, capable of realizing their, i said, gigantic mistakes

, these are national mistakes, these are not mistakes of the administrative apparatus these are mistakes at the level of the nation, very often of a suicidal nature, these mistakes are made by the ukrainian people in one form or another for the last decades in elections, in elections, then insurrections, they try to change the results elections and again revenge yes and in principle yes suicidality it leads to the collapse of any state, even the richest, it is a poor state with a population that is not very efficient, not very effective from the point of view of e-e working capacity as such from the point of view of creating the pace of creating a new but together with this, with a huge number of proactive population with a huge ability of people, you know to plug holes with their bodies, which they themselves create as a result of their own voting, but you also need to move away from this style, you understand you need to stop trying to

close these stars in the ship with your own body, that is, first make a hole, just come and get it i don't know there's a jackhammer, i'm happy to make this hole right while swimming, although everyone around you will whistle if you make a hole, there will be water, no, what kind of water ? it will simply be a beautiful window to the sea, then as if a hole is created and you go there, which means you close this hole with your body so that the ship does not think well that you are very often a stranger to these people who warned you that you were fooling well, it is not possible it concerns me personally, er, specific personnel changes , because there will be many personnel changes of large-scale personnel beasts. this is not inevitable, i think that these personnel changes are currently being prepared in the office of the president of ukraine and in the office of the president of the united states and in the

european commission, it will now be in many interesting these personnel changes, but the style is like this. if we have such a state-owned company that is, in principle, a system-forming entity, then the manager of this company must have sufficient authority to defend his position before the government, if he does not have such authority is a problem of the manager and the quality of the government, it is basically a problem of quality management, it does not exist, and this also needs to be understood and understood as a distance, and the fact that we will close our eyes to this will not change anything, this is like before the war when everyone said you should not look at the mountain and to think that a rocket will fall on you well, it fell uhu well, what are you going to do here, no matter how many people urge you not to look up , the war started because it was absolutely obvious that

it will start here too, if i say clearly now, the ineffectiveness of management will lead to there will be an economic collapse, even if the war is won. and no one will be able to undo this, therefore, serious work with personnel depends very much on the position of the president of the country, on the very criterion of personnel selection, on the rejection of the criterion of loyalty on professionalism, on the willingness to work with those who are unpleasant from the government of national unity without national unity without the unity of national-democratic forces, which in principle always warned about these threats and forces that just appeared in politics without realizing the full level of challenges from random, very often questionnaire people who thought that they would be able to use their political i would say such a lightning fast career for self-satisfaction i do not say for enrichment because many people were absolutely

uncorrupted plans they simply did not realize when they were pushing the dirt and such national unity is also a huge cure for all of these tests of a gigantic scale that we will have to go through after the end of the war. it is necessary to have qualified personnel, because otherwise, how to spend the ship, how not to lose the state already after everything is over, all the more so that russia will be nearby and she will be waiting, they usually perceive the end as a parade on red square, and the end of the war when russia is nearby , she is not he can fight, but he is waiting for this mare to die on her own, this is normal, normal behavior of a thief, we said that thieves are afraid there, and zloty can act like that, he understands that he will not get to the mare well, he will not get there, but he really wants to and

he just sits and waits because he believes that he has already created all the conditions for her to die. but now we just have to wait. and we have to survive so that he doesn't think about the external management of ukraine. i remembered putin's words. of course it's a joke, but you were talking about loans e-e about help from external creditors and, of course, control through the infusion of money into ukraine, and then he talks about, in principle, external governance - ukraine before putin's attack ukraine did not need any external governance because we had our own the budget, we took money from the international monetary fund, we gave this money, we gave it in an absolutely specific way, this is what any economy is called, there were no external leads , because all decisions on budget articles, tax articles on debts outside of borrowed ones were made by the government

itself if the government did not cope with this situation, the voters came to the elections and elected a new government, this is logical. this is the management of the country. putin , with his war against ukraine, himself created such conditions when the majority of the ukrainian budget is filled from external sources, which of the issues is not in the fact that he spoke earlier precisely that ukraine was absolutely independent from any western recommendations of our people, these people could accept them or they could ignore them because in any case they had money to feed the population, you remember that they always had the illusion that if the europeans will refuse to borrow from us, then we can visit china, that was the idea there for the last two years, so what putin said that we had an external administration he lied to him exactly wouldn't it be better if it was, well, it's just serious work with er civilized education, but what is a real external leading, when you

enter negotiations on joining the european union, all states went through it, there are clear articles of legislation on everything that is necessary perform and you perform it from this point of view, serbia, a great ally of russia, has much greater external control from the european union than ukraine, which has not yet started negotiations, and therefore the president of the church is a teacher. he says that we do everything. they say, we only do not recognize kosovo and are only friends with russia, and in all other articles and all other articles, serbia is under the complete control of the kremlin. meaning that they will explain to us what songs to sing and who to elect of taxes, some other people are not usula von der leyali in shock, not joseph biden. they work, they go

to work, they pay their taxes, and then the money they earn, in principle, in order for their country to develop its wealth, they give it to us, i am absolutely with er, i am sober with this reason that i have been cooperating with radio svoboda for many years, it has been arranged this way for three decades, it is the money of american taxpayers. i always remember when i do something that there is a person who will never meet some farmer over the horizon or some a mechanic from zelenoys or some professor from the state of new york, they come, they do their work. they are for me and for the united states of america . at the end of the year, they fill out this tax return , give a large amount of money to the state, and then the state gives this part of the money to me and my colleagues that we worked for for the development of democracy, if we do not work well for the development of democracy , it is unprofessional to do this, the question arises, what is the

purpose of this iron man's hunchback, yes, well, this money could be spent to build more there some kind of road to his village to make some more investments for protection against hurricanes well, there is a lot that the federal government can do and give money to the local budget for some kind of help, anything, there are many items of expenses and here it turns out that you are just this money just like that consume and as a result there is no exhaust. well , this applies to all citizens of ukraine now, we must understand that people actually give us this money from their own pockets so that we can build a stable, strong state, democrats successfully, and not in order to we kept them on some of our idiotic illusions and well, that's all there is such a great threat after the end of the war, but i wouldn't like it to happen really, but the conclusion of the external administration is normal, it's the control of financial resources that affect our state for the implementation of reforms and

so that we become free, independent and democratic , the result of this will be that we will not have any foreign accepted because as soon as we can fill our budget ourselves, then our presidents, our prime minister, our minister will say that we are sorry but now we know exactly how to distribute the money . thank you, viktor urban is a burden, so what is being done is not living under external control, well, in fact, he takes money from the european union, but his state is able to provide for itself in one way or another, we do not like his politician, but putin you can't say that hungary is under foreign rule, it's true and he can lead it, it's not safer to do it, and some other european country adheres to other values. that's how it works. but the most important thing is when you can provide for yourself, then you can already you have the right to any experiment, even one like hungary. and if you cannot provide for yourself, please control how you spend other people's money. for an answer on this topic , let's move on. volodymyr zelenskyi

, the president of ukraine, announced that ukraine will not participate in summit of the group of 20 that will take place at the ball in indonesia. if vladimir putin is there, what do you think, as a human being, you really do not want to meet with putin because he is fighting against ukraine, on the other hand, as the president, he will do the right thing, it will be for the good i here absolutely for the position of volodymyr zelenskyi , i sincerely support. i believe that the president of ukraine. in general, a high-ranking ukrainian official does not go to the summit, which will be attended by a person who unleashed a war against ukraine. this is a question of a moral and political nature, that is why the president of the united states and other western leaders wanted to sway the presidents indonesia, mr. vika, to the point that he did not invite president putin, but this is such a difficult political situation, russia, unlike ukraine, is a full member of 20 none there are no mechanisms for depriving it of membership in these twenty. we live too. stritenya says oh

, tomorrow we will exclude russia from the permanent members of the un security council . they didn't wait for the 22nd from the group of eight . they were excluded. no one even noticed. you will not be here anymore. we meet, and even when the president of the united states donald trump tried to invite putin to participate as an honored guest, and now the president of donetsk invites president zelensky , then the president must tell the united states that we do not like this guest, and in the case of twenty, there is no such thing, first of all, the president of indonesia cannot to decide whether to invite putin to him or not, he should send an automatic invitation to all the leaders of the member states of the 20 countries. because he is the master of this, president zelensky could be

guest of honor at the summit well, if putin is going to this summit if the twenty think that putin is a full member of this format, then the question arises if the president of ukraine should do there well, what are the real political dividends from the fact that they can appear on what in the joint photo, well, how will it look like, uh, will zelensky speak in the hall where putin will be, or even virtual, he will speak in the hall where putin will be putin, this putin will stand up and stand proudly well, i don't know, i think that the president is absolutely correct in doing this, i don't know if he will go there putin himself and you are the same question. i wonder if putin will not participate in the g20 summit and prime minister mishustin or the chairman of the state duma volodya or the chairman of the federation council matviyenko will go there. does this mean that the president of ukraine can participate in this format? i don't know, all these people were soldiers, they were criminals, they are no different, vacation is no

different. it seems to me that no one can not go, right, he is not, i think that they themselves will decide who should go to whom, then he already says maybe i will go, i can send someone, this is the format and for putin how do you think it is important to appear now, because if he does not come, it is possible that there is some kind of weakness, do you understand putin now, how do i think about 20? a winner he always wins even when he is expelled from somewhere, that is a huge victory by other categories. putin does not think about the population of the russian federation. it means that putin must think, but he arrives in his twenties. it is already obvious programmed failure because the president of the united states will not meet with him, the leaders of the countries of the european e-e union will not meet with him, he will be in such isolation but can this be considered a failure from the point of view of russian propaganda and the very beginning, well, it is unknown. if it is

possible to make such an order during which putin will meet with the president of the people 's republic of china, the prime minister of india, the president of indonesia, and the president of turkey, these will be unilateral meetings if he invited to various dinners there and will communicate with them there, and the western leader will either not come to this dinner, as they did the minister of foreign affairs of the group of seven when lavrov was there, then this will mean that they are in isolation, they simply do not go well, they do not go and there, we ourselves are not bad without them, how many of them are eight? he will tell the russians that they are our enemies, why should i talk to him? well, there is a majority if there are 13 leaders at the dinner and eight did not come. well, they did not come. well, let the majority of humanity it is on it will be visible to the russian side. obviously, it can be shown, well, there is a certain part of people who hate russia, they are still a minority, they will lose anyway, they are doomed to lose in their lifetime, the twenty

-somethings show that they are abominations because everyone else talks to volodymyr volodymyrovych about the economy, about global challenges, about everything else is about how to give up the dollar. and the price that they are archaic, some kind of surviving public, as medvedev says, and fu on them, this is a question of what putin needs, that is, if he needs to show the victory of russia, i have already shown you the propaganda opportunity to demonstrate it, so he is deciding on this now, and he is deciding whether he needs it now or he still needs it. he expected from these twenty-somethings the resumption of dialogue with the west, through there something like putin biden macro or putin will happen all of biden, if this does not happen, then maybe he simply does not need to fly so far and just what to do on the other side, too. it is clear that everyone will see that biden meets every day, they talk about something there and look straight

uh, world leaders from the russian point of view, because they talk there, it’s like russians, that’s how they mean big, uh, states, and putin wasn’t even invited there, somehow that’s not very good , that is, they are sitting now and thinking about exactly that, if there was a chance to meet putin biden putin would go without a doubt i just guarantee you i already bought him a ticket to jakarta i would have said here is your seat sit here and there is a byte waiting for you but it is clear that there will be no meeting and that is what his for now, there is one more moment that stops him, of course he could would go if he had achieved some serious military advantage by this point in ukraine, but he would capture something else important. and then would he keep it under his sights, let's say kyiv, but i'll be there tomorrow and then he goes there as if accepting the surrender of the west, let's still discuss

we will not discuss our guarantees. in principle, after twenty, i will simply destroy them all. well, if you have them now. while they are still alive, everyone has something to offer. let 's talk. this would also be the result, but you can see that at the front there is no such change in the russian the run is not happening so it is a difficult task for him, he is now sitting trying to calculate what is better for him and a plus right there he has already agreed to extend the grain agreement because erdogan talked about it rather not personally erdogan, the minister of defense of turkey and russia talked and behaved the grain corridor will continue its work and russia is said to have said well, if ukraine will no longer in any way violate any conditions and so on, but to vitaly well, this is russia’s loss, they are again adjusting their hair, it is unconditional a loss is an unconditional loss. but again, this is a chess game. erdogan simply beat putin in a way that

putin did not expect. because putin has long wanted to leave with her, he is with her. he wanted to leave from the first weeks. to formulate it simply, he needs to organize a famine in the world, but in such a way that this famine does not affect the reputation of the russian federation in any way, in principle, in no way so that the countries of the global south cannot think that it is russia who is guilty why does he need his head, the migration crisis in europe, the changes in the european chickens, he is betting on it. this is an important bet in the war with ukraine. but at the same time, he also cannot simply lose the favor of the countries of the global rooster . in