in the normal situation of these children who were abducted and taken to the territory of another city and placed in a proper institution during the day, and the institutions actually receive people with certain health defects and uh, here we can talk about the fact that this can happen as a result of the victory, and we add everything to uh, that luggage of accusations that will be presented to russia, and uh, for which russia will have to pay, but that's it for now, so to speak well, let's talk about the theoretical basis of what to do specifically with the fate of these children it is necessary to fight eh and we need to raise questions for today on all possible sites that are already working today, we see the issue of the exchange of both prisoners of war and

civilian hostages is starting to eh move from the place eh from the time when it was practical it's impossible, we see almost weekly exchanges of prisoners of war, and this issue should also become a matter of settlement between the states that are parties to the war, war is really . but there are those lines along which, well, russia does not respect these lines, but there are those lines along which the international community cannot let the situation out, and therefore i think that the issue of these children should become the issues of international negotiators who participate and directly influence and solve the issues of the same exchanges together with our eh such

services eh history of the murders of peaceful eh peaceful people in buch mass murder she she continues to be heard and the news agency dry press published its investigation and again we see new e details of how it happened about how it turns out there was a whole filtering system, lists were drawn up and then they literally went from house to apartment and killed people killed people e-e they shot men in the first place, does this story in bucha it remains e- is also relevant for human rights organizations. what can happen here? what is happening in this direction ? is this already some moment in history? it cannot be a moment in history until we

find alcohol. bodies and in the judicial proceedings with the conviction of these crimes of criminals and er hmm this material that was er published two days ago under the press er is just evidence that the world is very attentive and careful to these crimes and the same this is actually a journalistic investigation using uh all modern means of recording because they took off cameras uh took testimony from video surveillance cameras supplementing this interview with the victims or with the relatives of the victims uh this is also uh one of such strong evidences which will also be in case of confirmation of the truth

of the accusations, because russia to this day, as you can see, manipulates and tells about the fact that this is some kind of production and that they are white fluffy have nothing to do with those crimes, in fact even denying the very fact of those crimes, as far as i'm concerned. well, such vulgar cynicism must be overcome at the international level. let me remind you that our mh selenting was shot down on july 17, 2014. until today, those criminals who gave the order to shoot down this plane are not brought to justice, as well as the state that actually gave this order and legalized this crime. therefore, it is, in my opinion, an evidence of the weakness of this international system, which cannot condemn this scoundrel or scoundrels and,

accordingly, bring them to justice with a very harsh tangible punishment so that there was no let's say that other such criminals have an incentive to feel impunity and commit actions well, a small crime is not punished, so here is a photo of dmitry who was killed, an 18-year-old boy in bucha and in fact, this is an innocent civilian victim who is one of the examples of how they dealt with simply those who caused even the slightest suspicion of disobedience among these occupiers who were in february and march, the student was not punished at the end evil that continues, let's say, to insist that it is not guilty and that it did not commit

crimes, it is only a source of greater evil this is simply an axiom of criminal law and criminal criminals today are at the top i of this state that implements implements the war in ukraine today. and here is actually the question of how to make a mechanism of prevention and by punishing these criminals and establishing safeguards for those who want to commit similar actions in the future , oleksandr, you say that international organizations should react but again, this is also the information of this week that in crimea, the russian red cross robbed the office where the ukrainian red cross was located. to monitor how human rights are observed, it

is, of course, look, er, this acute phase of the war, which began on february 24, 2022, highlighted a lot of problems and weaknesses and inefficiencies of these international instruments, you also remember about such a permanent observation mission, a special observation mission the mission was also the osce and the united nations organization, which observe the reaction and, accordingly, the fuse . there was very little. and accordingly, other organizations such as the international committee of the red cross , especially with their special branches for the states of the russian branch, the ukrainian branch, and others , they also demonstrated their dependence on those states on the territory of which

they are were formed and are functioning accordingly , well, our, let's say, the ukrainian red cross also had its own positive and negative actions when the ukrainian, let's say, the ukrainian staff remained and even without carrying out the order, he remained and continued to try to help what would actually be a humanitarian disaster when it was even about cleaning up the bodies of those killed in the aa territories that were occupied by the russians and it was also a challenge what to do to whom to do when the ukrainians, for example the same law enforcement officers did not have access to those territories and there were bodies that were not taken away and not even buried for weeks, and this was also a problem. and this was a challenge for the same international committee of the red cross, which should have taken care

and this very issue, not to mention the possibility of organizing proper humanitarian corridors for the evacuation of the population from various hotspots of the same mariupol, the same berdyansk e . tools that should be reviewed today, or should they exist, let's say, in this form, for the resources provided by the states , or should something be reformed and should work? some other, more effective tools have already been created which will prevent, practically intervene , help implement aid programs in such situations in the civilian population, and let's say the same about the third pro- about what should be a tool that will bring to justice

these practical criminals who commit such terrible crimes with which we are dealing with it, and here are the last examples demonstrated even in the liberated territories. we have not yet discovered that in mariupol it will be a different story - this is probably the most terrible and the blackest page of this occupation is mariupol, but it is enough that we have this almost completely open kherson region, which will be liberated. i hope for a video. today we had a journalist who told several stories. he says that even people are not very willing to tell these stories because they are afraid of repeated kidnapping repeated beatings, mr. oleksandr , once again, about these international organizations , the international, which once said that it put ukraine and russia in the same row, and tried not to say something there that not all are like that unequivocally again, they a-a-am declared that they have already appealed to the latvian authorities, saying that the latvian

authorities violate er-er violates the rights and international law for migrants. that no, emnost international is concerned about migrants traveling from belarus, and obviously, if they are from the belarusian side, then they must have traveled somewhere from russia, why is emnost international so concerned about those people who try escape from mobilization in russia, but it doesn't care about our refugees, it doesn't care about what happens to people in the occupied territories, uh, well, it's probably a matter for the international agency, which has ruined its reputation a little this year. actually, i'll remind you that this organization was created as a non-political movement

that fought for the rights of convicts, rather those who were in prison for political reasons. that is, it is a fight for prisoners of conscience. well, if look at the roots of this organization had such a little left bias, which was supported by the former soviet union, respectively, and also through its organizations, communist and socialist branches of the party in various states and, accordingly that it was not in vain and er trying to be so er neutral looks to them like manipulation and er the answer to why they

are behaving like this now probably lies in these roots because the organization has formed such a policy and , accordingly, it is not so neutral , independent and impartial, because these should probably be the main features of such an organization, and in order for it to first analyze the situation and give appropriate recommendations or to express er well, let's say valid and such that will be taken seriously er some visions and positions and actually um well it could be that we dealt with a number of such projects starting from 2014-15 which er a certain number of facts were cut and depicted a picture, for example, of what happened on the maidan minus the beatings on november 30 and at the

bank on december 1, that is, two episodes are being filmed, and then there is a wild crowd beating the police and, accordingly, an analysis of how it all happened. why does this party violate the rights of the state at the level of the state and so on? that is, this is approximately the approach espoused by amnesty international, which ignores the key facts of the triggers that actually create a certain fact of a crime and the consequences of which they follow begin to evaluate with from the point of view of observing the purity of all the rules that each party must follow, if one page violates it, then accordingly they begin to express some of their comments and their visions. the military puts

the civilian population at risk by staying in populated areas, and accordingly, there was a 12-14-page press release in which they wrote about those actually terrible crimes which they observed in occupied and occupied localities, and let me remind you that during the collection of this information, they received part of the information from ukrainian civilian hostages who were in open camps, that is, they took their testimony in fact in the presence of the same russian occupiers and, accordingly, this is one of those examples of how much information can be trusted that can be obtained in this way, that is, in my opinion, it's a little, well

, let's talk, it's not even manipulation. and this abusing his position in such a rather solid and authoritative organization thank you, mr. oleksandr, we still need to tell the people who experienced some atrocities by the occupiers, who are people who are still in a more or less safe territory, who they understand that they will not come to bathe there, to talk about what they saw, what they were going through, because it is very important. relatives or some of their neighbors, because it is very important in order to be able to later, when the war ends, god grant us victory , then ask the russians who participated, those who committed these atrocities, why they did it put them on the bench defendants well, and then to operate them behind bars and to make them understand that

this is a crime. andrii karakuts eh, with us now will be the head of the public organization, the center of applied research of the public organization, the center of international security and candidate of historical sciences and yaroslav voiko, diplomat, international expert good morning to you, gentlemen, good morning, good morning, we hear you, let's sum up the visit of sallion, who visited kyiv this week, why exactly? well, i had to come personally, what is left behind the scenes, in your opinion, and the main thing is now event we are also all starting to discuss this too autopost link to its sources says that washington wants to change its position official e-e in the office of the president zelenskyi ukraine and e-e admitted openness to peace negotiations let's remind you that zelenskyi said the last time that we have nothing to talk about in principle from muscovites with the

russians until they return to the borders of 1991 let's start the discussion about it let's start with mr. andriy, and if you look at this visit, it's clear that the national security adviser is a er very beer man in the power vertical of the united states and er his visit is just on the eve of the g20 summit er on the eve of general er winter so very important that this official yes he conveyed the position namely president joseph biden e and his negotiations, yes, his negotiating position, yes , about which we know, well, on the one hand, this is the

continuation of support, this is the further supply of weapons. the states can put pressure and try to influence in order for there to be some kind of negotiations. yes, i do not rule this out . why, because this war, and its continuation, prolongs it, and it hits very hard. it has a very strong effect on the world economy in general . on the geopolitical situation, geoeconomic, and first of all, for the united states, what is happening is very important, precisely in order to further promote some of its initiatives. that is, it is such a parallel track that is happening official aid, military aid, but it has always been like that, that is, always the countries of the west, even with the soviet union , yes, despite the competition, they also tried to

maintain contacts, that is, the russian terrorist regime. yes, he understands all this. they know all this, and that is why they try to pressure with the help of different ones that exist in them, in the same grain corridor and energy itself, and the same uh, just relations with other countries, that is, all this works, unfortunately, mr. yaroslav. how do you, by the way, treat this in the same way, or is it not even a public statement that we are open to negotiations will not be a sign that we are ready for what, mr. yaroslav -e for there is no topic for discussion with the russian federation, on the other hand, the american side

must correctly understand the political situation in the country, and the day after tomorrow there will be elections, or rather, mid-term elections are already ongoing, the entire composition of the house of representatives and a third of the senate will be re-elected, there are all possibilities for that through the public they seize the initiative and at least in the house of representatives they will win the majority and in the conditions when such statements are heard as the well-known transpist in the manager taylor green who said that if we come to power, we will not give aid to ukraine, and there are statements by mr. kevin mccarthy, who in the new house of representatives will be the speaker of this lower house, the american administration, led by democrat

biden, needs to somehow pay attention to these things are why. i think that this is a kind of sounding. the trip was by sullivan, he said, and it is important to us, that the united states will remain with us until the end , and the help that they will give us in the near future proves just that. will be transmitted from on the other hand, they should maneuver a little and show that not only military aid can come from the united states of america, there are also diplomatic efforts that they will add to their military efforts and encourage ukraine. i don't think there was any pressure right now going to these negotiations but such an opportunity will still go. when they are favorable for ukraine, epithets for negotiations, such an opportunity cannot be rejected for the future, well, it is not only about going to negotiations, but at least

as i understand it, to demonstrate readiness for negotiations, just any negotiations, the very possibility of them is closed on the part of ukraine. that is, we, well , that is, the statements of kiev, our official statements were completely misunderstood, that any negotiations do not make sense. why then, in principle, are there it makes sense to change and soften this position in principle for ukraine, and at this stage there is no reason because russia continues, first of all, its actions that can be compared to genocide, and on the eve of winter , to destroy the energy infrastructure, to fight against of the civilian population, there cannot be any justification from the military point of view, and ukraine in this case has a very powerful position , and it will be just our opportunities

to influence the international community, first of all, the countries , so that they start some kind of negotiations with putin, they tried to come to an agreement with him , that is, a very clear position and understood that without a change or the russian regime or her at least his behavior admits his crimes in this way, there can be no negotiations, well, let's quote again well, the washington post is not of you, referring to sources in the white house, journalists say that american officials share the assessment of ukrainian colleagues regarding the futility of these negotiations . point out that this ban or public refusal of any negotiations. it can look like this. it scares voters in europe, latin america,

africa, etc., who see behind it some kind of prospect of a very long war, which scares everyone and at least a softening of this position would be a good signal to reassure these voters who say that we also want peace and do not close this option. so, i can only add that they are using this war, unfortunately, they have already started using this war, and the political forces inside of the same united states, so the republicans use it er and er different extreme right extreme left forces in the countries of the european union well, accordingly, russia also uses all these try to visit the governments and try to influence them because that's exactly what it is like on the other side, we can't

compromise ah, but the understanding that this conflict has to end somehow must also be now also a little bit about the best possible news jenstoenberg who had a stormy eh the lebanese youth of his time and such a pacifist enough became the secretary general of nato in peacetime, and although he did not beat himself absolutely adequately, nevertheless , now the time is coming for the re-election of the head of the alliance and there is such a possibility that it seems that washington is betting on a ukrainian woman of at least ukrainian origin and ukrainian-speaking , including khrystia freeland from canada, a minister of canada, and uh, is this good news for ukraine, and in general, what can you say about the list of applicants who are now circulating in the mass media with the word what are we waiting for, what are we hoping for, let's

also talk about it briefly, yaroslav, of course we wanted someone who knows ukraine well, and who is like a black frila, she is of ukrainian origin, she speaks many languages, english, french these are the two official languages ​​of canada, she has been speaking ukrainian, russian and german for decades, in fact, before the development of very friendly ukrainian-canadian relations, including the conclusion of a free trade agreement between ukraine and canada, that is, from the point of view of canada and its government, this there will be good support for this candidacy for the post of nato secretary general even now. by the way,

it is very interesting that women apply for this position in the majority. although there is a possibility that if no consensus is reached, it is possible for another year will allow certain stoltenbers of the lower lower general secretariat e to continue in this position, but if mrs. freelan is elected, we believe that it will be very good for ukraine, because from the side of the clinical american continent, first of all the united states of america, on the part of its european partners, there is an understanding that this war, which is now being waged in ukraine, is a war of civilization, it is a war in nato, nato protection, in fact, ukraine will not be nato or a member of the north atlantic alliance. it is leading the defense of this alliance against russian aggression. which spreads, you want to spread to the whole world and then it will be a complete understanding. it seems to me that in

our bilateral relations ukraine-canada they are always mostly good . i have the feeling that if mrs. hrystya freelance would become nato general secretary, we would know for sure that in the event of any serious challenges, the alliance would not leave ukraine alone, there is literally only a minute left . andriy what can you add, first of all, for us? it is important that a person who understands what is happening very well becomes the general secretary or secretary, and if it is either a representative of the ebb tide or a representative of canada, it will be very good, and at the same time, the president could also be like that, respectively. and you are the position of general secretary after all, it does not allow, for example, to make

decisions about the conduct of the military or, yes, all decisions in nato are made by consensus itself, and therefore, its activity or her activity will depend on how generally nato will be ready to some challenges eh and will be able to help ukraine and by the way nato still remains in the background compared to the efforts of individual countries and members this is the situation that i think needs to be changed thank you thank you yaroslav voitko diplomat expert international and andriy karakuts head of the public organization of major studies and public organization, the center of international security and candidate of historical sciences were with us, and that's how it came to an end. our first part of today's marathon with andriy sychuk, we 'll be back at 2:12 well, just now angelika sezonnenko and his selection of news for your attention , colleagues, thank you for your work, we are waiting for you again in a few hours. well, i will tell you about the fact that part of ukraine again