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positions throughout the territory of our country, they bring victories closer every day. glory to the air force of the armed forces of ukraine is called mykola veresen and you and i are with the help of sofia sofia is the kind of person you don't see now maybe she will appear later she is a translator and we will talk we will be with vilias felix browder or a white browser and no one is a financier, a person known to all of russia, one of the most ardent fighters against russian corruption, against putin, against everything we know, he has been doing this for many years, he is an american, but he also has a british passport, and we will talk with him about money and putin. i think that putin's pseudonym putin's war is all about money, but even wars are started in order to make a little

money somewhere. so, i will start my interview at the end. and maybe at the beginning, i will explain something else about what you will see now. good health, mr. bill browder thank you for finding time for us, i want to advertise resistance to putin's regime, this is a new book by p. browder, which is free for ukrainians, we will definitely see it on your screen, and how can you find this book, resistance to putin's regime, the person who started this resistance with in 2006, at least, the ato had already published a book opposing the putin regime, all of which are actually about money laundering in the russian federation , and i would also say that these are all the books about the fight against putinism, these are all the books that are worth reading, and mine

the first question, mr. browder, and the first very philosophical question, is it possible to cure russia, and there is a well- known saying that a fish rots from the head, and vladimir putin is a criminal, he is a financial criminal, he is a killer of the bosmafia, while such a person is in power, there is no chance that russia can be cured, i will give examples from i remember georgia when i went to russia for the first time in the early 90s. russia was considered the most corrupt country in the former

soviet union. and after mykhailo saakashvili came to power, he fired all the traffic police and all the tax inspectors and replaced them. by people who were 20-30 years old, georgia turned from one of the most corrupt countries in the world to a much less corrupt one, so i think that this is a kind of role model, if russia is lucky enough to get an honest leader, then he will be able to potentially clean up this cesspool of crime that is all of russia is a mess, but once humanity and you, as part of this humanity, believed in russia, you came to russia in 1990, there in some year in 96, and believing in russia that the changes

are irreversible, you said i will work here and then putin came and everything changed when we say that saakashvili made reforms in georgia. okay, but now the american government warns georgia that the reforms are very slow or reversed, that is, how to act for humanity , not only how to act in the browser, once again believe in the possibility of the reincarnation of russia. to be honest, i am not very i hope so, i look at the situation and see that vladimir putin understands that if he ever loses power, he will end up in prison, lose his money and possibly even his life, and that is why he is going

to keep power by all possible means and there are other oligarchs and corporate officials and all their wealth, their status and security are guaranteed by the current putin system, so there are people who will try to preserve this system for a very long time and they have a lot of resources for this, they have huge finances looted over the past 22 years. in fact, i would appreciate that vladimir putin and a thousand people around him stole a trillion dollars from the russian state, that is, 1,000 billion dollars in a 22-year period, they have huge resources for to try to maintain the regime, so i have no hope, but i also understand that putin overextended

himself by starting this war against ukraine, now he is completely losing it, a lot of russian soldiers died, about 67 thousand, they lost a huge amount of equipment, and he found himself in a situation in which in case the russian people can say enough about ukraine's victories. we don't want our president to be a loser . a situation can easily arise when putin's regime simply cannot support its own weight. if this happens, the question is a who will pick up the wreckage and there are several options or another character like putin or maybe the whole system will collapse to such an extent that no one will want these characters like putin instead they will want

some democrat or reformer or someone who wants to fix russia unfortunately this is unlikely and yet maybe because putin is now on the brink because of his fatal mistake due to the invasion of ukraine, to begin with this is the third question in this topic and it is the last one, then we will talk about your book and the question is so simple and difficult i think you personally, in the event of the coming to power of some mass or some opponent of putin, some critic of putin who will come to power under the slogans of democracy, human rights, private property, you will come to russia again and start helping again, well , without a doubt, all investors help themselves,

but they also help russia, you will return you can imagine that in russia, i would never return to russia as an investor and those times have passed for me now i am engaged in human rights activities and justice and i hope that one day when russia if russia ever return to normal life, i will be able to return and be present at the unveiling of the monument to sergei magnitsky, our lawyer who was killed by the russians for exposing putin's corruption scheme. i would like to go back and unveil this monument and make sure that the people who killed him finally will be prosecuted and brought to justice i would like to see other people involved in the genocide against ukraine also prosecuted but i don't see myself

ever becoming an investor for this again countries, let's move on to the book, your new book, resistance to putin's regime. i say once again for the audience that it is free in ukraine and in russia. although i think in russia they will do everything to ensure that it does not fall into the eyes of anyone, despite its freeness, but what is the difference between this book even in the title has something in common, your previous book is resistance to putin's regime, and now resistance to putin's regime. this is what it is. there is a difference between the previous book and today's. and what is the low title of this book, freezing accounts? and my previous book it's called red noize red message if you

want to get them for free you can go to the website e-e www.bel broader coming download it in ukrainian or russian this book tells about my attempts to find money 230 million dollars the loss of which my lawyer serhii magnitsky exposed as state crime, we wanted to find these funds and make sure that they were frozen by law enforcement agencies, that is why the book in english is called freezing ora, freezing assets , it is about our attempts to find this money and when we they found it, it turned out that part of this money went to vladimir putin, the book is written in a detective style, so it's not boring. i'm very exciting. it opens the curtain and shows how vladimir putin launders money, tries to kill anyone who wants to expose him. i think this is a very important book

for ukrainians because many russians will have to pay for the restoration of ukraine and it gives you a road map and an idea of ​​how to find this money that's why this book is relevant for ukrainian leaders as well as for every ukrainian and the questions and an explanation for the audience of what i know about your story, i won't say that i follow it all the time, but i definitely know you and your story in the history of magnetic, i even know volodymyr pastukhov, who are you? he lives in london and he is my good friend. a product and an acquaintance, a very kind, nice analyst, who also participated. here is the question and the explanation of mr. browder's story is that he and his lawyers, his assistants, his friends

saw that 230 million dollars had been stolen from the budget of the russian federation, according to various estimates. you and i know that putin considers the russian budget of the russian federation to be his own pocket and you did the work and your lawyers did the work of the fsb, they found the thieves of all the money and made public the information and those people who did it, that is, made public the information about what was stolen from putin 's pocket 230 million at least all people were imprisoned and killed in prison. there is

some illogic here. please explain what you think about putin's psychology when he just found out. and i, before he knows this story of yours. his personal enemy. what does he think? what is the point? money was stolen from my pocket. someone is helping me. he says, look, vasya pupkin stole money from you. i'm not putting you in pupkin's prison. vasya pupkin stole money, some absurdity. what can you say that in putin's head, this was the absurdity of my entire story, this is... back in 2007, my office in moscow was searched, the police seized all our documents, and then these documents were used in very complex ether in which we are paid 230 million dollars in taxes to

the russian government, after seizing documents, the police, working with a bunch of corrupt officials and criminals, stole these 230 million dollars, it was not our money, it was the money of the russian government, and we thought that putin is a nationalist . he may not be a very good guy, he may not even be very good an honest guy but he is a nationalist who we thought is a patriot that he will be very upset if he finds out that his own officials stole 230 million dollars of russian government money that's why we stole it and published it sergei magnitsky testified against the officials involved in this, and then we sat and waited for the good guys to deal with the bad guys, but it turned out that there are no good guys in putin's russia, instead of arresting the people who committed the fraud, they arrested the person who reported it to serhiy magnitsky. they

tortured him in prison for 358 days, tried to force him to recant his testimony and say that he stole 230 million dollars and did it on my instructions, sergey was a man of incredible principles and honor, he refused and the torture became more and more intense. he lost almost 20 kg. he was diagnosed with pancreatitis and stones in the gall bladder. he needed an operation, but he was denied any medical assistance. on the night of november 16, 2009, his condition became critical. and instead of in order to treat him, he was placed in an isolation ward, parked next to his bed, and eight policemen beat him with rubber cakes until he died, and he was only 37 years old, and that was 13 years ago and after we made it public to the whole

the world putin had the opportunity to bring to justice the people who were involved in this, but instead he promoted them, awarded them with state awards. in 2017, in the panama papers, which were made public , the panama papers are a leak of data from a panamanian law firm where many russians did business, and we learned from him that putin had his own person, a proxy named sergey obugin received two billion dollars, he is a cellist from st. petersburg he received two billion dollars of money from oligarchs and russian state banks, everyone knew that this person is putin's best friend since childhood, he is the godfather of putin's daughter and it was he who introduced putin to his wife real dokin was

an active financial confidant of vladimir putin, the most important thing is that we discovered that rollugin received part of the 230 million dollars for which sergei magnitsky was killed, what is this means everything is very simple putin got this money and this explains why putin behaved here like such a criminal why did he do all these things that would seem to be against russian interests because he was the only one who benefited from it going back to your question because the money was stolen from the russian government, then they were handed over to vladimir putin, simply put, vladimir putin stole from his own government, the most important part of my book is the conclusions i made over the last 13 years of fighting putin, that the crime

magnitsky was one of a thousand similar crimes , we can determine that putin stole 230 million dollars. and 234 billion dollars, we found this money that was laundered through the danish bank of estonia. i think this explains why putin behaves. this is exactly how i do not believe that he started this war in to ukraine because he has something against ukrainians. i think he started this war because he is afraid that the russian people will rise up and he needs an external enemy to cover his thefts. and this is an interesting thought and maybe it is really true that at least honor putin started a war against ukraine precisely to hide the theft, but here is my question. what do you think? do you

believe or do you think that one day all these crimes will be able to be solved? why does this question arise? putin kg. all people are very good at hiding everything they do . mr. lenin , and when we say that something happened in the prison, i think that there are also witnesses. this cannot and does not exist, maybe they were all killed. and maybe even those officers who beat magnitsky were killed, and it's just that when we dream and dream, many ukrainians believe that putin's regime finally broke down and knowledge finally opened up, knowledge appeared about what was happening in russia during these years, but we also know about the experience of the nkvd, kgbf

, fsb hiding all this, can we expect that scotlan yard or the fbi or all together interpol will be able to find and at least specifically indicate on the people who are guilty of these criminal crimes i would like it to be so i spent the last 13 years after the assassination of serhii magnitsky tracking the money and then sharing this information with law enforcement agencies around the world with the fpr and with the british the french and spanish police with everyone, but unfortunately in many cases they did not want to undertake the investigation. another example is in great britain, where

they have been living for 22 years. since vladimir putin came to power, there has been no prosecution or investigation of russian economic crimes . this is the country through which the most dirty money passes. money from russia and still no investigation. i think that this is a real problem because in order to restore ukraine, a lot of money will be needed, first of all it must come from russian there are a lot of seized assets in the world. unfortunately, we do not see success in making proper arrests and freezing this money, and one of the biggest future challenges .

maybe think, not the last question literally because i will look at the clock we have been talking for 40 35 minutes but i have the impression that your ukraine is now fighting with russia now i am at war now ukrainian soldiers are dying now from ukraine everything is helping the front thank god there is we have friends in europe, in the united states, in canada , in japan. but your example, if you agree, then tell me, shows exactly the difference between the west and the east. hiv browder, seeing the injustice, began to search for the truth and found this truth in the parliament of the united states, in the parliaments of many countries around the world , that is, the biblical knock and they will open to you

what happened on the example of the white browser and what did not happen on the example of magnitsky right here you can say that this is an example of what they are fighting for, this is me for the ukrainian people who will see it for what the ukrainian people are struggling to be human beings, yes , it is difficult for many years, you see that mr. browser criticizes some western governments that do nothing or do little, but all the same he achieved success from the hand of a book, he travels to various organizations, he persuades sanatoriums, congressmen, deputies, he is all that does and has some success . if he did it as magnitsky did in russia, he would simply be killed, and this is the difference.

the ukrainian people are fighting for this, so that it is possible to search for the truth and find the truth, and not for what the russian people or the russian president are fighting . so that no truth can ever be found. it is very important to remember that the sun best sheds light on the truth, and bright light is what makes the world change. i think that it is possible that one of the reasons why ukraine is so successfully resisting much more to an equipped neighbor in that your leader volodymyr zelenskyi is a communicator and he has done much more than me over the past 13 years, he

conducts presentations, talks every day, speaks in parliaments, governments, law enforcement agencies and so on then all over the world everyone understands what is happening this is really very important of course under his leadership there are many people in the ukrainian government who are doing the same and this is the key point it is about not allowing a false narrative to defeat the truth i see the efforts of russian propaganda they they are trying to tell a completely different story about what is happening in ukraine, and despite the fact that this story does not work in the west, they still continue to repeat it, they do not get tired of repeating it, they did everything and in our case they said that serhiy no one killed or tortured magnivskyi. and he was not an informant at all. they kept repeating it only because i had

the energy and contacts to go and tell the truth. people believed my version, and ukraine will also have to do the same. constantly repeat the truth, expose the lies formulated by the russians. because they will continue to do so their whole modus operandi is to lie lie and lie again they hope that if they repeat their lies enough times they will eventually believe me, let's do it again, yes, there's a place. well, that's the end of our program. i want to thank sofia, who helped translate what i didn't understand. i understood something. she didn't help where she didn't understand. thank you sofia, and i'm just repeating what i said at the end.

what he said to belkin is that it is simply his hope that gives him hope. and how to say his goal is some kind of bright goal that, after all, is in the bible, it is biblical that evil must be punished, which is not punished, is restored, is not redeemed, the thief is restored, and we see that itself and russia in the early 90s somehow made it clear that we are not mine either i am waiting for a tram i am a good civilized person i am european i have culturally enough for 10 years after 10 years putin has passed now we see a war but all the good people of the world somehow and bil browder are united here on the side of ukraine and the world is civilized on the side of

ukraine and we hope for victory and roz and a more careful investigation of russia after this victory it is my dream to be able to shoot a movie about real russia about real russian problems about real russian psychology about real russian history about real russian philosophy and figure it out finally are they crazy are they such a criminal group maybe they are sick or maybe criminals but it can be figured out only after the victory of the ukrainian army over the russian federation with the help of the whole civilized world good luck, madam and gentlemen, it was mykola veresen, and first of all, bill browder. and mykola veresen sometimes asked something so simply . good luck