by the way, it is a big plus for europe when putin turned off the faucet now and remained absolutely destitute. because the situation is so canonical and safe. but nevertheless, in the long run, any war is not beneficial to the chinese, they understand perfectly well that in reality those mentalities , uh, mine, we look like that, you know, so cool , small, very self-confident, and free, and with an appeal to the freedom of vietnam. they have a history of relations with vietnam, and they very often compare us in this sense, and they perfectly understand that vietnam did not manage to break it in any way, and no. and neither did the americans, and they already understood that this will not happen from ukraine. they know how to read history and read geopolitics. how, in principle, do you think that now the president of turkey, rajapty

and partagan, is once again setting the conditions for joining the for finland, sweden, it will still end with the accession or new conditions, of course, i think there will be conditions. a large part of them will not be public and there will be more conditions. as far as i understand there, in relation to sweden, today's strategy is so that the broken finland, sweden, should be allowed to travel to the separate mainland of finland on the active track of sweden, but all nato countries are united in the fact that this will not happen. they must go as a two-in-one duo, and that the turks will not be able to do this, and it is better if it lasts longer, but there is solidarity within previously , finland remained the maximum for sweden, and i believe that this is an absolutely correct strategy at the beginning, hungary was against it, but now they have already submitted documents for ratification to the national

assembly. to soften their position or not, this attachment will not affect the hungarians even earlier they promised to ratify somewhere around november, it is still a few months away. there won't be any relations there either, that's why it's an early story. it's a story about the fact that in the morning something is critically needed to be presented for the elections that will be held next year. the situation there today is actually not very simple. he needs goats and things like grain. i don't want to say a deal because it's not a deal on its own. there's a deal with some kind of uh, like how he trades with

finland, sweden. how he trades there for the release of opportunities for turkish planes that were previously bought by the united states and packages for their modernization, that is, he plays his game, but this game also has its limits, this is perfectly clear to everyone nato thank you very much for your participation vitaly stress pavlo klimkin diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine during 2014-2019 was with us in the direction of communication, we are moving further to mark faiga , a russian political and public figure, a blogger, congratulations, congratulations ra-address well, let's start with the congress of the russian position in poland , but i always understood the situation of the congress of the russian position, that is, which we now see several sites in russia, and that would be surprising, uh , when it passed, whether it was the third or fifth color of the mood. it was also difficult to imagine that these people would lead russia not for

two years, but for 75 years. so it happens differently. how it is said in in russian history, we know this very well. no one can be removed from the accounts of any bum from the geneva hotel or cafe. he can become the people's commissar of defense of foreign affairs, the head of the central bank, the head of the nkvd, and in general they will shoot you precisely for what you bought. emu coffee in geneva so that we will buy coffee for everyone, it ’s just in case, for the positioners, who is left in the medical field , including mark, i congratulate you , safety is guaranteed for any schedule of movement in the 90s, some people already said that where is this safety, okay, i’ll take my reverse word, i've heard it all, seen it, so you don't have to, don't guarantee it's better, but what kind of food is it? well, let's say it's another demand, it will be correct, it

will be marked exactly like that, another demand, yes, we went from the second end, because now it's not just a political initiative, yes and its initiator, ilya ponomarev, invited me, the second deputy of the state duma, to help him in this. speak out but eh let's say they are going like this very ambitious very bold such a decisive demand yes and a tried, yes , tried to participate in the elections, tried, er, to create political associations, liberal with other ideological programs, tried a-a protests, and that’s all. what else have people not tried in russia, and that's why

this time has come. when you need to try the last resort of others in general, russian immigration positions. from the other country, from the other side, you understand that you need to try to start with this, that there will be the main one there, and only this is what already openly says that it is possible to break up with this government only by means of armed means that is, by means of violence, there are no other ways, eh, they won’t give results , you won’t understand them, and you’re just a reason. will participate in this so-called summit because there will be a call for the armed overthrow of the

dictatorial regime of putin, that is, there is still such a thesis of the position of the gosman, he has the right to it and he probably has his own for your mother i'm just talking about the fact that this is the period of this humane rejection of violence and the beginning of politics. what i have already said before the complete destruction of public principles in russia and the public opinion of civil society on rapture in neighboring countries killing tens of tens of thousands of their own strangers what is the purpose of the world? but it doesn't work

. if someone despises it, then he can't participate in it. it's fair in general. their claims are different people. there are different ways to do this. the resistance of the current residence is the resistance of the putin regime, in my deep sense. my deep conviction can only be violent, everything else doesn't work, uh, it's very easy to transfer it to the same ukraine, because you'll introduce yourself to ukraine, you asked him about his resolution, and there, persuasion, exhortations in the day to be in i don’t know whether they will fight or not. in any other place where hostilities are going on, uh, with moscow’s troops and punitive ones. and here’s what it would do, it wouldn’t do anything, but they took it, and it fell, and no , you know, and no, and everything and the carriers are all these terrible she is absent from the mission because he was simply taken and killed on the day near kharkiv near kherson, uh, i’m wooing or somewhere else, so uh, it’s necessary to accept this

paradigm and the russian position against it. you don't give anything else a tell me, if you go back to the seven oppositions, but already so say within russian conditions, you will dig into this cartoon with the participation of prigozhin kadyrov, who seems to be in pain with sheiguevo’s generals , right there, the struggle is going on, and putin is leaning towards one side, i don’t believe that they fulfill the role of proxies of such agents who carry out the will of putin himself, and he creates the situation, he also creates it and destroys his claims to the army. why did you lose this war ? i gave you money, i provided you with everything. and you , look at what you have done, it’s one thing, and you can constantly show him some kind of garden alternative with the other, some kind of horizontal or some kind of

pritrians. i have others and there are others that if you don’t think that you will jump from this, that’s why i’m deeply interested . absolutely not restrained, but i repeat that this is all possible only with permission, it’s a big dump of putin himself. i saw again , this is a practical company that started. it seems to me that this is just bleaching. let her say that patroshev and bortnikov persuaded him to attack ukraine. koustynov was told to attack brezhnev on afghanistan, brezhnev is such a madman, he doesn’t understand anything, he’s such a good grandfather, yes, these are evil people, and

they arrested brezhnev to commit such a blunder gradually . it was a serious year of our childhood. and it has passed . well, on the other hand, nothing is clear, that is, they are not collected at all. yes, the second question is who benefited from the influence of this part . judge for yourself. we will see the channel itself. operations even since december, the former colonel-general of the general staff’s international relations department had a speech, and everyone said that this attack was connected with a request from the general staff, but at least somehow it would indicate publicly the impossibility of this in antury and others there of all sorts of things they have there, more than one spoke a lot, and we saw them with caps on the matter, and even an appeal not to make this mistake on the part of the fsb, we did not hear

anything . that it is convenient for someone to explain why everything is happening like this, only one can dream of responsibility because, well, how now, it is necessary in order for you not to become side pipes, say, and with you, it was good, we had correct information, we, uh, more or less correctly, blue well, that's all . armies fight poorly, they could take all the mistakes in three days, read them, they would write off, yes, victory likes that. and here is defeat. что всё заровор as a classic way of carrying out everything stolen from you, yes , that is, they perfectly understood that they would not be able to resist the ukrainian army, it was not motivated by itself, but the help provided by the western allies are already pre -war . once from the submission of the boarder and uh and the patrushu himself, i fell

into the floor, i can’t allow it. the children's questions were solved in a closed part. well , someday it will become known, but imagine that putin himself wanted this, and in the face of the bard and the patrushe, he found allies of this idea. those people who came back may not be worth it, because god knows how it will go. i believe in cooling. and the way is not bortnikov and patrushev, it’s the three directors of the federal security service, one after the other, putin gutted bortnikov, but that’s right. yes, yes , they are the core of the political system. the core of the political system is the kgb. well, it is clear that they make up the basis of the army, not

political subjects. to the eternal kgb, therefore, i would say that i will present a unified point of view of this particular part to the people who will create the very core of this system . self-preservation of the kgb system without vladimirov denych putin here is how he would sacrifice to them, how would some move such a sacrifice by the king yes, this is generally common in chess chess, after all, it is a favorite pastime of the russians in the past of course, but nevertheless it was such a prestigious sport in the soviet union and all this can be allowed, but the problem is that it could have been done a little earlier

there are already too many players, there are more than two of them, and from this point of view, there is a certain danger of the system itself . such a floor is crumbling so far , cautiously, we do not yet see a concrete impression, but in principle the management system itself has begun to fragment because of the appearance of kadyrov 's private players as independent players. let it be очень внешнее явлением but this is evidence that everything is not abnormal because a person is coming out. as the hand tells the direction of the paws, go sit down with the machine gun in the trench because you are to blame for the fact that we lost a------------- 10 with just a few square kilometers well, the same would be impossible

in the system that we are talking about, that is, publicly clarifying relations during the war but you know this somehow, so if you give this fool to leave, it is not a fact that they can get rid of putin to be unsure that this is all, and it won’t turn out to be even worse officers, although i repeat within the fsb system, different conversations are going on, probably someone sees us as a way out for themselves, someone sees them, there is very little time left, so there are two questions mark the first concerns riots in the russian federation, riots mobilized due to non-payment of money promised to them by the authorities, whether they can acquire a more massive nature and the second question concerns the law signed by putin regarding the fact that prisoners can now be part of of the russian army. do you think it will help the russian army on the territory of ukraine to pay for all these problems, this is an eternal problem, this

is just enmity and stupid corruption, which leads to the fact that it is actually promised, you know how they talk about you in the apparatus. a long distance, that is, to promise, they promised, and the payer immediately begins to guess who will pay there, for example, the regional administration, the federation of tables and the ministry of defense, well, of course, everything will be stolen from you, as usual, and it will be you will not stop and there will be economic warriors about the fact that we were not equipped here in winter, they did not give us the proper means, weapons, etc. they are chronic. as for pointing out the way, he follows the contrary acts that have been approved by the convicted persons and mmm, and in them they will attract, for example , no legal basis.

punishment, and he releases more and they give weapons, but it’s okay, yes, so to speak, he slapped a person there, and here he goes even more, and he doesn’t understand where to go with a weapon . why then? and who knows both of them in america, take everyone, they shoot their own, eh, it’s just that the army follows dude wagner there, it will be allowed now, and in the system of our defense, it will be possible to get used to it, and it’s not going to be easy. they changed a lot with bakhmut, they took a lot of money, they took kramatorsk on the ground when they tried to escape, even this is the same consumables, you see the chicks are shot. it’s a pity that in russia 450,000 zheks. well, the law is less, according to what is more. thank you. we will finish with this. thank you . so now we will have a short break. vitaly the porter and i will return to you and the teleporters, as always, will expertly answer

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saturday polyclub program on espresso tv channel angelika sezonka and vitaly portnikov so at this hour we will discuss the following topics, in particular, the dismissal of mr. vitrenko, is this a political decision, what made him remembered in this position, we will also talk about the fact that volodymyr zelenskyy said that ukraine will not participate in the g20 if vladimir putin is there, among the main topics of our conversation will be the topic of israel, the elections of israel, and the victories are obviously not tenyagu, as well as the visit and meeting of mr. olaf scholz, the chancellor of germany, to the prc, his conversation with siegelpin and china's call to oppose the russian federation so that it ended the war in ukraine, let's focus on this

, let 's start with the topic of mr. vitryanka, in fact, he was remembered as such. that we are talking, they issued a prescription that he could not be appointed to this position of the head of naftogaz at all, and since the last one, his adviser bought a bentley for $500,000, but after that vitrenko was fired, because it was already during a full-scale war. what do you do, sir? italy was remembered by vitrenko. it seems to me that the current head of naftogaz can't hold office from the point of view of the sunset, so nothing special changes here. and here, too, the naftogaz statute itself needs to be changed so that state officials can to head it because naftogaz, on the one hand , is allegedly a private company, on the other hand, it is not actually and therefore not a zaka and says that in principle there is no question that a person who worked in state structures heads naftogaz, the problem is that you declared naftogaz not what it is there is actually something that i just think that it is not a question of the

candidacy of vitrenko or chernyshov. the question is how all our statutory norms are written. this is the first thing for you. already from this point of view that we don't know, i would have done his head if naftogaz had not gotten into a war situation because this is an absolutely specific situation and there was a lot to talk about if, er, somehow this company had not found itself in the those completely predictable problems associated with the beginning of hostilities because i, in principle, shy away from any evaluations of the activities of any person and the effectiveness of the ineffectiveness of the government vertical eh when it comes to the war period because we we can to compare the effectiveness of people who worked there during the war with the effectiveness of people who worked during the peacetime, and it can be found that he, that is, this

person, if he remained there as the head of naftogaz, andriy kobel, let's say, would have been much more effective than yuriy vitrenko, well , we don't know that, that's why it is possible that it would be yes and it is possible that it is not because competence during military operations and competence in a normal period are different competences. this is absolutely obvious to me. another issue is the issue of authority . this is how yuriy vitrenko could defend some of his decisions before the government and how much the government is ready to listen to managers of this level, we remember there were constant conflicts, we remember that vitrenko was against the default of naftogaz well, what a small thing the importance of this did not matter, fate means then you do not matter at all, who will manage the oil and gas industry is of no importance to me, just as in the soviet union they did not have any great importance, who is the minister of the oil and gas industry of the soviet union if this the minister of the oil and gas industry had some kind

of personal relationship with leonid ilyich brezhnev, and some of you, he was a relative of his wife or a friend of the family, but he could somehow insist on his decisions if he was not among those relatives, they were just ordinary cogs in the vertical who could act at a meeting of the council of ministers with some report to defend some of their positions, but the decision was still made by the politbs in this way, the politburo of the cpsu was absolutely not sure what the minister of the gas industry was thinking there, and even if in as a result of their decisions, they were not very competent people, because they were usually party workers, something was being destroyed. so, you were not, of course, executors, and not. to the management system well, it has already been three years in a row. and now, to this simplified soviet management system, there is also a time of

crisis, wartime, and of course, this system cannot be effective, and we understand this very well from on the other hand, it doesn't matter too much. because the ukrainian economy is basically destroyed, the majority of our budget has to go through borrowing, so in principle, i think that there will be a moment when the external leadership of ukraine will be carried out by creditors and people who today hold higher positions in the ukrainian government they will simply consult with these creditors on how best to spend their money, and those who will not be able to spend their money well will be forced to leave their positions again under the pressure of the same lenders, this is of course unpleasant to hear, but it is an absolute reality, the stage reality of a country that, in principle, is not able to provide for itself, i just want to say clearly that it will not be able to provide for itself in the next 5-8 years. we must prepare for such a period. i would say that it is possible it can be called solidarity, it can be called

effective external management, it is possible. this effective external management would not be necessary if we did not live in the soviet system, but the soviet system, which was rebuilt here after in the last presidential and parliamentary elections , it is ineffective for managing the country in a period of crisis, and with this, people who hold all the highest management positions in ukraine need to simply put up with this and tell themselves that everything is over in our time. they are absolutely busy. everything is of no importance, it is necessary to think how to effectively cooperate with those at whose expense the state will be supported during the period of reconstruction of the war, which is unknown how long it may be, and which reconstruction it is not known how long it will be. how effective will these people be in this? ok, i don't know. i think, in principle, that returning to professionalism is the main task of ukraine after the war ends. the main thing is that if we do not return to

professionalism, no victory in the war will allow ukraine to enter the circle. of european nations , we will be a ruined, poor, depressed country, with which everyone who has something in their head will run away, and it is i who will create even more problems for further reconstruction. so this is very simple. i i really hope that the ukrainian people are, in principle, capable of being aware of their, i said, gigantic mistakes, these are national mistakes, they are not mistakes of the administrative apparatus. these are mistakes at the level of the nation, very often of a suicidal nature, these mistakes are made by the ukrainian people in one form or another for the last decades in elections, elections, then uprisings they are trying to change the results of the elections and again revenge yes and in principle yes suicidality it leads to the collapse of any state, even the richest and this is a poor state with population that is not very effective, very effective from the point of view of e-e working capacity as such from the point

of view of creating the pace of creation of a new but at the same time with a huge number of initiative population with a huge ability of people you know with their bodies to plug the holes that they themselves create as a result of their own voting but from this style also needs to go away, you understand , you need to stop trying to close these stars in the ship with your own body, first make a hole like that, just come and take it i don't know there the jackhammer is happy to make this hole right while sailing, even though everyone around you will whistle. drowned, it is good

that you are very often a stranger to those people who warned you that you are a fool. well, this may not apply personally to specific personnel changes , because there will be many personnel changes, large-scale personnel changes. this is not inevitable, i think that until these personnel changes are currently being prepared in the office of the president of ukraine and in the office of the president of the united states and in the european commission. these personnel changes will be interesting for many people, but the style is like this. if we have such a state-owned company that, in principle, is a system-forming company, then the manager of this company has to have sufficient authority in order to defend his position before the government, if he does not have such authority, it is a problem of both the manager and the quality of the government, it is, in principle, a problem of quality management