union about the fact that ukraine is being prepared by the ukrainian authorities for a change in rhetoric regarding the start of some negotiations with russia precisely after the deoccupation of ukrainian kherson, which well, according to one of the versions that i read there and am familiar with, ukraine will be able to after the liberation of kherson talk with russia from a position of strength regarding the further development of events on the battlefield and in terms of a diplomatic solution to this issue. in your opinion, should ukraine really give up categorical statements on the issue? the ukrainian president that we will no longer hold any negotiations with this president of russia, only with the following: should ukraine soften its position on this very issue, and your opinion, as a political scientist , please, yes, we are done with kherson. we understand everything.

we saw what happened in it will happen in irpen, in borodyanka, in balaklee, in izyum, when we will liberate mariupol, imagine what scale of war crimes is being built, how many dead, how many civilians have been killed, and that is why russia is already receiving charges because everyone saw the shelling mariupol saw what kind of situation they want to make out of kherson the second mariupol, but with the hands of the armed forces , that is, what did they push to fire, what did they push to fire , what did they push to blame for the deaths of civilians, and i don’t see if the remaining people who can be considered hostages in kherson, what will they kill, the russians will blow up their homes, how they don't know how to do it themselves. the position of the president, or the position in the verkhovna rada , or the position of someone else, this is the position of all the peoples, it seems to me that everyone is united here, that

negotiations with russia will certainly happen, of course they will, but after the liberation of ukrainian territories , after the liberation of donbass and crimea, if russia wants negotiations сейчас как онлайн, pass on, pass on through zadagany, through the pope of rimsky, through the president of the african country, besal , in my opinion, it is called generation, wants negotiations, please, zelensky voiced it directly, leave our or territories, do it already with a good will , negotiations begin in a normal tone, you don’t want we expel you, then there will also be negotiations there will be no negotiations on the ukrainian territory kirill i would like to ask about, you know, the moral and physical condition of the soldiers, i understand that someone has been at the front longer, someone is coming now, someone

maybe re-trained fighters are coming to the positions, in general, this is, uh, every day is war. in fact, it is work without days off, as they say, how is it all, and you, as a person who was a civilian before this, how are you getting used to it, how is life now? what bothers you, what is possible, what is most stressful, what inspires you , tell us a little bit about people's lives so that you know those people who are now perhaps in the rear or somewhere , maybe even abroad. face face to face, and it is not easy for them, please. there is no single picture, of course, in all cities, the troops are divided into different situations, different situations, that is, it is difficult for me to judge the state of those who are with marta sd-prokopei because we are all a special

unit . they know that they are not defending their land, they are liberating their land, and the attitude towards the russians is the same. draft laws are appearing for the time being, why am i with him? they are in a hurry, after all, the military must be released because, er, i want to see the fucking ones in ukraine, i want to switch for a week because it is hard to be constantly under tension therefore, yes, really, once a year, at least for 10 days, a person must go home, there must be a rotation, there must be a replacement, people need to rest, otherwise, gradually, this stress will trickle down and the person can come down to

that. there are still some transitions to a peaceful life, especially for those who work under the toughest conditions, that is, either on the frontline. yes, in principle , everything is on the frontline because someone is sitting in the hands of an operative 200 m away, someone is sitting further and he shoots missiles with heimers and shoots from artillery , but they are the first target, like idiots, a man sits with a tablet, stays standing nearby, but he is the first target for any game. then breaks for the people are definitely needed for the military so that a few people go out of this state. well , in conclusion, i wanted to say, uh, about legenky, you mentioned parymsky, i wanted to ask you two words about peredostaevsky, did you protect dostoevsky, because i at one time i read almost all of it and without the idiot karamazov and the crimes of kara or a lot. the pope

said the day before, well, literally the day before yesterday , it amazes me, and that is why i use the word a lot of suffering for such cruelty, which is not characteristic of the russian people, perhaps because the russian people are a great people, this is the cruelty of mercenary soldiers who go to war as a mercenary adventure, i prefer to think so, because i have great respect for the russian people, for russian humanism, it is enough to remember dostoevsky's fedor mikhailovich, who to this day inspires inspires christians to understand christianity, i have a great affection for the russian people, as well as a great affection for the ukrainian people, how dostoevsky is being evaluated now, and the pope in this context, well, they were evaluated separately at once and simply said этот папа и спортсмеситель друго nonsense in my opinion, it's obvious well, i also studied at the soviet school, i read dostoevsky, i read tolstoy, i never liked them, that is, this is a great writer, exceptional from the point of view of russia

propaganda, well, there is nothing special there, there is nothing interesting. we bought it for big money. there is tolkien’s king highline. well, that is, they read foreign fiction. foreign books were really interesting. reading this was completely depressing shit and uninteresting, but it didn't really teach anything about dostoevsky, in general, well, in my opinion, a sick man and a roman pope, or anyone who writes this stuff should read it, even if one book well, even though he has the shortest crime and punishment and try to find there american values ​​on what it can inspire more old women with an ax instead of finding a normal job well, it’s not serious, that is, well, it’s not really possible to understand russia through dostoevsky, but only something sick plague and a country that needs to be quarantined and treated, in any case, not everyone

feels the need to drive. очень его очень очень forget here, not at the front, there is no chaplain. catholics , by the way, i’m talking about it, here it is, once again, it’s just a mood, you know what else, it’s a pity that in ukraine there are actually somewhere around 5 million flocks of the pope, for the whole of russia, god forbid, there were 100,000 of them and such comparisons of the ukrainian people and the russians that i i respect both of them, because they are humanist peoples during the war that was unleashed by russia. they are probably just not appropriate, mr. kirill. we should put a full stop . z journalists from novaya

kakhovka will be in touch with us now eh p. olezhe , we congratulate you. good morning, i'm sorry, i delayed a little more and made you wait. it will be interesting to listen to p. kyrylos. well, i'm actually listening to him for the first time, because somehow it didn't happen to me. contact a p is it possible to use it in the kherson region? i would like to ask about the threats that are now possible for the kakhovka hpp and how it can affect the situation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, you know there is a lot of talk about this, but oh well it can really happen, what is the situation as of now, well, no, everyone understands here, you need to have an understanding. from what you know, please tell us about what is happening there now. well, it's a little strange that you're asking me, a journalist, and not experts who tell directly you know a lot of information. moreover, if you are

from there, it is closer to you. this is what i know. how much is here? you need to remember that from the very beginning, when the city of nova kakhovka was planned, in the early 50s, together with the construction of the kakhovka ns, eh, hmm, the similarity of the scenario and the cabbage was expected, the hpp has such a large margin of safety, that is, if we talk about the threats to settlements located further from the kakhov hpp in the dnieper, then they are not as catastrophic as the occupiers told about them, eh so there will be some possible, more precisely, some flooding, but there will definitely not be some huge wave that will simply flood the entire left bank

. they were even very scared and had to explain to journalists, including residents of steppe areas, that this huge, huge wave just physically wouldn't reach them. and as for the zaporizhzhia station, it was also under construction it was designed taking into account similar er similar situations and a big nuclear war, for which the soviet union was preparing at one time, that is, er, even if it is presented that the services

disappear how they sometimes draw mr. lying down and what about the looting in nova kakhovka i literally read the news from this night what russian occupiers are taking away from nova kakhovka in the kherson region , you can't believe the tavria cognac factory, well , one of the legends of ukrainian winemaking about it they write in the local public that tavria's finishing plant in nova kakhovka is disassembled and exported to russia, and users write that all the equipment and products are loaded into trucks and sent to russia what do you know about uh, well, the beacon of ukrainian cognac production in the southern region of the ukrainian people, what is known for sure that indeed, the occupiers drive their cars there and even arrange a smoke screen so that the local residents do not

see what is happening it concerns the shop where spirits are stored, that is, first of all, the occupiers take out everything that is there, that is, it really is, i can’t say to what extent this process of looting has such a total character, even if we talk about one specific enterprise, but what it is true. and by the way, others at other enterprises, owners of these enterprises and employees of the enterprise, not only in nova kakhovka, but in neighboring settlements, they are afraid that the same scenario awaits them. and in general, what is the situation with looting, because we they said. yesterday i saw several videos from kherson, where

the residents who remained there, about 20% of the local population, say that the russians left the military from the city, there is no military military police, and already there they looted the bodies of the so-called occupation authorities, well , at least the premises of the regional administration, and they continue to fear that this is looting will spread to shops and then to private residences, how about this in nova kakhovka, i ask. by the way, as for the division of the regional administration, even the occupying publics themselves exhibited videos were indignant at these local looters, although i even had a version that, uh, this building was destroyed by the occupiers themselves, who simply changed into civilian clothes, well, it was very logical, since it was difficult to imagine that the occupiers, well, in general, lost control over kherson to such an extent that even control over the building lost in novaya

kakhovka, this process continues, but there it is morozet , the russian occupiers themselves confirm everything with the historical plant of tavria, but hmm, houses are taken out and looted among the residents, and this happens not only in novaya kakhovka, the occupiers are forcing the local residents to comply with their forced evacuation, and in this way they are also solving the problems of resettling their military personnel. i would also like to ask if there will be any information about that. and where they are taking people from kherson out of the kherson region because they said that they want to bring them almost to yamal, i don't know if anyone will trace such a long way there to the

northern seas of theirs to what is it called the eternal peace of zlatu well, at least as of now is maybe moments are such that people go on their own. or is it that they are forced to go without leaving a choice, in fact eh yes, i have not yet observed eh, let’s say , the coercion of this evacuation, the coercion consists of physical coercion, eh, there is psychological pressure, crazy, the occupiers are forcing people are pushed in every way to make such decisions, although, of course, in the first wave, well, now is the day. where can you meet people who really voluntarily agree to such a trip? union and so on, but even many of them are already disappointed with the benefits that the russians

provide them on the other end, there are large categories of people who are really forcibly settled by the occupiers in cigarette boarding houses, boarding houses, orphanages , that is, these are all versions population, they are this category of people, and they cannot interfere in any way in the reality of this evacuation, and for them it has a really coercive character, uh, for the rest of the people, the occupiers do everything possible to make people leave by themselves, very often they settle in, they simply drive people out street and there is nowhere to go. that is, you find yourself out in the open. so either you agree to move or look for where you will live in the occupied territory , often without even having light, heat, and access

to products, because in the occupied territories, when, especially on the right bank, the desks did everything what if the same shops were closed, but they are exported to russia, er, almost from the very beginning, the bow began to openly talk about it, that you will be exported to mainland russia, there are no beautiful sanatoriums in the crooked pink for you to see e-e they are taken to different regions they mostly talk about the krasnodar region e there they talk about tuapselyak and similar cities e but also the voronezh region rostov region well that is, the geography of these requests e-e is expanding well, in fact, serhiy klein said that the former people's deputy, adviser to the head of the kherson region, what is being exported to yamal, yamal, it

generally seems to be beyond the north pole and sunny kherson, to go somewhere there to solekhar, or what is the name of the local settlements, which is ancient there, well, who? yes, and the penguins came out or the land is also there, thank you very much olezhe oleg baturin, a journalist from novaya kakhovka, was in touch with us . we learned more about the situation in kherson , kherson oblast, and now we are adding serhiy zgunets , director of the information consulting company defense express, the host of the wine summary of the day section of the espresso tv channel, mr. serhiy we welcome you . good morning. well, then, let's start with what is the situation as of this morning, today , on the fronts. fighters from there well, but from the general picture, we definitely don’t have any. well, from what you know, please, about the directions of the expected changes, the ukrainian army

is keeping such a silence, but we understand that now our armed forces are taking measures to still break through the line of the matchmaker, despite the criminal the fact that the enemy is resisting there, this direction remains difficult and important, i think that in two weeks it will be the most relevant because the weather is warmer and it is possible to activate these actions again. he is trying to break through, but there is no success there, the dynamics there have not changed at all for the last 8 months, except that there is an attempt by the enemy there to get closer to the city of ivan, but it is so minimal, it is not even a success, it is just an advance of a few tens of meters, which have absolutely no effect on the situation, and of course our main expectations are related to the situation around kherson

, eh. according to my estimates, in principle, we should prepare for some positive changes in view of the accumulation of our next forces in certain directions, but for now, the general staff and the command of the south does not say that i understand completely uh well grounded and uh we understand that now active measures are being taken related to the withdrawal of russian formations of the command uh accumulation of manpower about which uh the general staff regularly informs so i think what is kherson region and the situation in svatov and crime - this is where we attack, and bakhmut is where we conduct active defensive actions, mr. serhiy, kirill of the season joined us precisely from the kherson direction and said that the russians often withdraw their summer units from kherson, and there the paratroopers are deployed instead of one paratrooper, they

deploy three or four mobilized er, new converts, so to speak, of the military without much experience, and there it goes on to simply use these people as cannon fodder, how common is this practice with for what purpose is this done, because well, anyway, the effectiveness of this process is probably not much. well, in fact, this is only part of the picture, because it can be said that the active withdrawal of combat-ready units of the russian army when we talk about the landing units and marines from the right bank, to be honest , it is not happening to the full extent. and the mobs that are going there now, they are simply consolidating the defense lines that the enemy has built in the suburbs of kherson there , er, in the zone on- in other areas where they concern snowmen, where do they get this central bridgehead, which is also important to us, and i think it is too early to say what is happening with such an active replacement of regular units with

mobilized units. i think that for now the enemy is still the enemy is not ready and wants to survive the first stage - this is to try to defend kherson in conditions when we will carry out active offensive actions, which they surely expect or will try to survive active actions with the help of native artillery and barrel artillery and after that when the enemy's morale is broken, it will surely be possible to expect this scratching and in the current of the most prepared units of the russian army, then these mobs will certainly remain as such a rear guard for the protection of mm of those units that depart from the right bank, i think that for me it will be just the reference point

. 40,000 russian military personnel is a fairly significant number in view of the total number of troops stationed on the territory of ukraine of 160,000 , that is, a fourth part is located in kherson oblast, so for now let's not create optimistic expectations that the enemy will leave the right bank on its own. i also have pessimistic expectations. kirill said an interesting thing that the russians probably have one of the scenarios they are planning for kherson - this is the scenario of mariupol, only the opposite in order to ukrainian artillery for a long time well, they tried to knock out the russians with artillery strikes, partially destroying the city, and later the russians will accuse the ukrainian armed forces

of the fact that, look, they did that to kherson what did we once do with mariupol, can there be a repetition of the mariupol scenario, only from the other side , what are the dangers for us here, it's just, in principle, a linear logic of perception, and the enemy is really preparing to choose kherson - the attack on the city is a difficult tactical task, and they start with an operational task if we will storm the vlog and we see that we have never stormed a single city head-on so that we don't ask, let's weigh the situation there in the south or other areas, we do not resort to this, and this is the right step from the point of view for the preservation of personnel i think that we need to make efforts so that if the enemy guards kherson ok, we will have to create conditions when securing kherson will simply not be impossible , that is, resort to a dense artillery blockade

around this city and wait until they themselves to look for options to escape from kherson, such a period will happen, but the enemy must be pushed to it. now i think that just the next two weeks, although in two weeks she will really annoy me, but i think that now it will be good weather for two weeks and we can expect some qualitative changes on the right bank due to the actions of our e-e and artillery units and, first of all, units of the ground forces, we will not storm kherson head-on, but we will create the prerequisites for breaking the spirit of those units that remain in the kherson area, this will be the impetus for further change in the entire right bank and will have an impact on the operation itself in the kherson region, because everyone is now expecting some new big victory if we look at all these foreign publications, our conversations, expert expectations, the statements of american generals, in one way or

another, push us to the point that by the end of winter there, or even there, or sooner, we have to liberate the right bank . under the pressure of these political circumstances, i am now planning an operation to liberate the right bank of sergiu. i would like to ask a little bit about the situation on the fronts. er, rala to the urals, that is, it is already coming to a peaceful life. it seems to me that we started reforging swords for the urals too early. i am talking about this second dream , which is supposedly going to be built, and yehor said that it costs half a billion euros. well, this project is completed and it is somewhere around 20,000 shaheds can be built for the same money well, i think i really vasyl i am the ceiling i absolutely agree with you logically in fact the reproduction of the second

dream is not the first priority we have the issue of strengthening the army at the expense of those types of weapons that we can do that can harm the enemy if we create a dream and spend money on it, then i think that we take them from another area where it is more needed, we understand that now we are living at the expense of western armed aid at the expense of financial aid of the united states and in this sense, uh, spending money on the creation of an airplane, how significant is it for us, it is not considered a premature and irrational intervention of funds to clarify sergey a, please tell me if there is an opportunity to purchase now not not to receive there is no other way, namely to buy. well, let’s say a fighter or attack aircraft or bombers. well, roughly, if there were to take 5 su-29 rifles, some 16 m16 rifles, so that everyone

would be trained, but hypothetically, we could buy them. i understand that these they won't give half a billion right away. maybe we don't have them now. well, in principle, if you compare what you can buy with this half a billion and whether you can actually buy something , well, from military activities used in the 16th, you can buy at least an f-16 there is a certain number of f-15 old versions standing in the queue, but here yehor pravyy that we are focusing on logistics, but from the point of view, she says that if there is extra money, it will go to the minister of defense or ask what the ukrainian army needs, i will tell you that we need armored vehicles, we need artillery, we need, let 's say, unmanned attack systems what we need now on the battlefield and we need air defense complexes is what really affects the course of hostilities, how will it affect the course of hostilities

after 5 years, but the funds are invested in weapons now they will bring victory to the position, the dream remains for now, the dreams remain. thank you for the good words, let's put an end to this for now. serhiy the player was with us . thank you. the dream remains the dream. the director of the express defect" on the espresso tv channel, we literally have 20 seconds left. well, well, we just have for some, a dream about a dream is combined with a dream about a kickback for a dream that can be earned during the realization of this dream, this is the problem, for sure, so far, where is the war? wave now, this is the whole nation of training with all those who died during the russian-ukrainian war, a moment of silence, yes