but there is no spring in this, even when going to kazakhstan, where in theory patriarch kirill was supposed to be, publicly in all e-e statements, including in private conversations, the pope confirmed that he had no desire to speak with patriarch kirill in that format, for example, how he met e -e in havana therefore, these were supposed to be just formal meetings, as the pope said, on the sidelines of the main negotiation platforms and meetings in order to preserve what we talked about at the beginning, some potential and bridges for realizing the peacemaking potential finally, ambassadors, i would like to clarify what the possible situation is with the pope's visit to ukraine, because you mentioned kazakhstan when the holy father flew to kazakhstan, my heart trembled so much because where is kazakhstan, where is ukraine

, we understand there is a war going on here, they are waiting for the holy father, he is still not there what are the problems with the visit of pope francis to ukraine, well , again, i can base it on the official statements of the pope that he made not recently in the context of appeals regarding the ukrainian visit, eh, the essence of the position in this case, i am not conveying my own point of view, but his attitude. the visit can be implemented when the pope sees the possibility of real influence on the course and the peace process in ukraine in the sense of its positive implementation. at the moment, the pope does not see the circumstances that you helped him to confirm these attitudes of his in the context of the ukrainian situation, of course i think that what i believe is that now in these circumstances, even after these statements, the visit of the pope would be important because it

would be an extremely powerful personal testimony for popes and popes - this is, so to speak, a movement from two sides in terms of awareness and a full understanding of the reality of the ukrainian situation, there is no doubt here, for example, i was a witness of how powerful direct familiarity with the realities of the war influenced the archbishop, for example, field rechita haloger , the secretary for relations with foreign countries the states of the holy see, who visited ukraine in may, er, he became er, very close to perceiving the ukrainian situation as a tragedy of what is happening on ukrainian land and transferring this model in may with the visit of archbishop haloger to the possible visit of the pope to ukraine, i am sure that if

the folder i saw with my own eyes all the atrocities and in quotation marks of russian humanism, this is also what i wrote about uh in my reaction to osta on a shovel that orders to kill ukrainians and to launch missiles that physically destroy people and lower into our infrastructure are not given by mercenaries, as the pope said, but given directly by the russians, that is, those so-called bearers of humanism and dostoevsky’s ideas in the power of which he is convinced and, unfortunately, in which the pope believes before this time, a short comment, actually the archbishop of the roman catholic church in lviv, number in mokshytskyi he is here, he sees this war, maybe he is not somewhere on the front line, but at least they communicate with people who are refugees from that war, who are saving themselves in more or less calmer territories . he hears the sirens, he probably sees

the consequences of the russian missiles hitting, but in the meantime he says that it is a mistake to ban the russian church and language in ukraine, how widespread is it in the vatican, so and so, the opinion of the bishops of the number knows the situation very well and in may i was opportunity to communicate with him a lot. i am absolutely convinced that he perceives him realistically and this statement reflects certain points that probably correspond to the position of certain circles in the apostolic capital. i know that in the near future the metropolitan archbishop will be here in the vatican for a number of times and will be able to discuss here with the current representatives of the apostolic capital and this position and many other things. therefore, it is obvious that these statements

will be appropriately correlated with the general position that dominates and that determines when the policy of the apostolic capital in relation to ukrainian situations. and it, i would like to remind you, is very diverse. for example, almost no one in ukraine ever comments and probably has not read, for example , the position of cardinal müller, who, for example, compared putin to hitler and said that putin is much worse than hitler, he is ethnic a german has all the rules for such a comparison, because in his opinion, at least hitler did not demonstrate his religiosity and the desire to base his policy on what principles and any church-related putin is christ honor in one hand and pressing or giving the order to kill people with the other thank you mr.

andriy for the conversation andriy yuras ambassador of ukraine vatican religious scholar political scientist expert on state and church issues with each other we talked with him about what the pope's words should know the proposal of the vatican regarding what is happening in ukraine for the ninth month, we are moving forward with us anton anatoliy nosovsky director of the institute of safety problems of nuclear power plants of the national academy of sciences of ukraine mr. anatoliy good day, the russian occupiers are building an unknown structure near the dry storage facility at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. at the same time, information appeared that in the coming days they may implement their hellish scenario. and accordingly, after that, we will move on to the arrest of no less

important problems . zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, but uh, some kind of construction is going on there those shop workers who are located on the site of the zaporizhzhia station are also not allowed to enter this warehouse, as for any kind of intimidation, well, you and i understand that it is from the russian occupiers, they

always scare us. this one uses nuclear terrorism and that was related to e the chernobyl site and the shelling of the kharkiv physical and nuclear institute, where the source of neutrons is located and so on, then they scared us that they were mining the zaporizhzhia station and we will blow it up as soon as there is an order, the kakhovsky reservoir. i understand all your intimidation, but we understand that security is primary for us and we must see that if such events are implemented, we must be ready for these events from the point of view of security anatolia

just energoatom analyzes the security risks of the operation of the power units of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in the event of a water fall in the kakhov reservoir, yes, and this means that the situation can be extremely serious if we take the extreme scenario , god forbid. of course, if it were to come true. the crimes here are about the lives of thousands and thousands of people, what is the threat in general to the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in the event that the water level in kakhovsky in the kakhovsky sea drops sharply at this time, eh, that's it from my point of view in terms of vision, it’s not, it’s not like that, it’s not that big, it’s a danger because the units are standing, they don’t work, cooling and so much water and what is needed for

cooling the working power units is not needed now, on the contrary, we have to think about how to heat the station so that don't freeze the power units , that's why during the obsyn time, it will be very dangerous, if our units were working at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power station, then that was a problem due to the lower water level in the kakhovsky reservoir that we could not eh to maintain at each level of e-e the amount of coolants, we supply coolant to ensure the cooling of e-e reactor facilities e, therefore, in my opinion, it is not very good, but for all this, the

operating organization, which is its counterparty, is responsible for our safety, so it e-e does all these things calculations, what to look at, this is enough for us, the reservoir of the cooler, from the point of view of when there will be no replenishment from the reservoir or not and it must be done this way and they are done correctly , mr. anatoliy if we talk about the pond cooler that there could be an environmental disaster at the gas station, they are sounding the alarm - colleagues say that there could be tens of tons of dead fish, what kind of fish is swimming there and why exactly are ecologists warning about such a

danger ? we will try to connect again, mr. anatoly, this is anatoly nosovsky, the director of the institute of safety problems of nuclear power plants of the national academy of sciences of ukraine. power plants can end up with dozens of tons of dead fish. what kind of fish is swimming there and why can this happen and how serious is it? now let's try and find out from anatoly nosovsky if there are any problems with communication. well, what is the sample now ? will resume in the meantime, president macron is in favor of resuming negotiations between ukraine and russia on the terms of kyiv's attention, while in president macron's opinion, the negotiations should take place on

the terms of kyiv's terms and at a time when it will be convenient for ukraine tefalen-1 info writes about it literally, the current context allows me to give an operational explanation on this from my side. i continue to believe that at some point we will have to return to the negotiating table, president macron emphasized. we want a return to peace, but it is up to ukraine to determine the conditions and time when it wants to return to the negotiating table yes, mr. anatoly, did you hear or repeat the question of an ecological disaster of a very large scale because the water level in the cooler pond will be maintained by the

rains and so on because it will not decode water for cooling i already said that when the units are working that it would be a problem now it won't be a problem ugh mr. anatolii well, i would like to ask you about the safety of other nuclear facilities in ukraine, in particular, it is about the rivne nuclear power plant, about khmelnytskyi, we understand that the enemy now iran can get into service ballistic missiles and we understand how it will use them. well, accordingly, the accuracy of iranian ballistic missiles reaches plus or minus 500 m, that is, accuracy and does not smell. well, accordingly, the missiles have an extremely powerful anti-aircraft system of defense is not up to the end with them, you can advise yourself what the situation will be if they will, for example, aim at certain infrastructural facilities of our nuclear power industry, are there any relevant risks and can

the presence of megate inspectors in ukraine somehow prevent this new, i do not have much hope great for store instructors, if the enemy is going to attack nuclear facilities, that's all, how can we be here? it's important that god himself understands that this is very, very dangerous not only for ukraine and for the territory ukraine, but also for the territory of those states that are located next to ukraine. this could be a disaster and not only for ukraine. we understand that such nuclear facilities have never been attacked in the world. we have never

had such an experience. we can't exist at all but there were these military actions in the 90s, when there in yugoslavia near the nuclear power station there were covert military actions and then the power unit was working there alone and then all the experts gathered and analyzed that situation and they said what is needed, what does everything mean when military operations are conducted next to nuclear facilities, all nuclear facilities must be transported to the uh-huh woman, that is, a cold stop , and we told everyone that this should be done and for us to tell the distance now and it is ready in zaporizhzhia the stations are now, these blocks are in this mode, but we must also, uh, we must

maintain some kind of balance, we need ethnic energy, maybe we understand that uh, without it, the country will be very difficult, so this balance needs to be uh, so we understand, well, we should keep a balance finally, he would like to clarify with you. please clarify with p. anatoliy about the situation with the personnel of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. we understand that the enemy is trying to persuade them to work for the aggressor state, because the russian intelligence is to some extent worried about the possible imposed sanctions regime against rosatom and that is why they want to act meanly but cunningly, that is, they intimidate and put pressure on our employees of the zaporizhia nuclear power station for no reason, the enemy can replace

the entire staff of the zaporizhia power station with his own by workers by workers by seats, but not every worker will go and work at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant because it is another nuclear facility, and on the other hand, he understands that then it will never be pleasant in any country that is included in the structure of the mega shadow and this this road will be closed to them forever, that's why they won't do it , our employees will do the same, uh, there are several people who uh, uh, signed these uh, contracts for work with the atom, but i don't know, there is a need for each dream in case of sharing what this is when we are with you are a machine gun and we are made to do this , we will understand that but we can deprive them of their

work licenses. as nuclear workers, we as a state are talking about uh, there are uh, licenses that are issued by uh, regulatory bodies in us, it only applies to the positions of the heads of higher level, who is engaged in managerial work, uh, well, from the point of view of its management, and from the point of view of management and nuclear installations. thank you, mr. anatoly, for this timely analysis on the air of our telethon. anatoly nosovsky, director of the institute of security problems of nuclear power plants in ukraine, he was working live right now, and we are in touch, boris kushniruk, the head of the expert analytical council of the ukrainian analytical center of borys. good day. good day. we are glad to see you. let's talk a little about the fact that the shares of ukrnafta have been forced into the ownership of the state.

motor sich autokras zaporizhzhia actually transferred the transformer to the ministry of defense and president volodymyr zelenskyy explains that we have such a time now, e.e. military and actually there should be are these enterprises nationalized or really or really the time is so that it should be done a-and here it is important first of all that uh-uh your listeners understand the difference with us, unfortunately, many do not have a clear understanding a-ah what it is because in fact even the bolsheviks, during the so -called ready-made coup d’état, they talked about the nationalization of enterprises, in reality they carried out confiscation of them, these are actually two different procedures, confiscation and nationalization, confiscation of property in a civilized country can

carry out only by a court decision only a court can make a decision on confiscation eh, neither the president, nor the verkhovna rada, nor the government can take and confiscate through the maina only by a court decision, so eh, does confiscation differ from nationalization in that the analysis assumes that mine is property that has been nationalized it is necessary to pay for it in order to pay its full value, in what way, if it is about nationalizing these enterprises, etc. zelenskyi is talking about nationalization, this implies that we have to pay the owners of these enterprises their full cost of this property and this is where the question arises, sorry. we have so much money, we have something to pay now. okay, not now. after the war, we

will not be able to pay for these enterprises, and the argument is that we will use these enterprises to, let's say , ensure the country's defense capability. everything is very difficult here, let's decide that such enterprises are objectively the most vulnerable from the point of view of the fact that they can be exposed to missile strikes, which we have for ukrtetnafta for the kremenchug police station, and now the guys from kremenchug are working like this imagine the situation that in order for this enterprise to be able to work at all, we need to spend crazy amounts of money, the first option, and this enterprise is hit again and it does not work again, and the second option is that we repaired it, resumed operations, after which, mr. kolomoisky, did the court is absolutely legal and

requires either to pay him the full cost or to return this enterprise, the state says well, what can we do, we return the court's decision, that is, we will pay for the repair of this to the enterprise and there we need, well, probably under a hundred million dollars to spend. and after that we will be forced to return and without any additional additional payments from kolomoisky for the fact that we will restore the activities of the enterprise, therefore, in my opinion, our citizens are not very aware of what -e in the current conditions, yes, my cat likes to walk, but they realize that this is a nationalization measure. it is not in the current conditions, it is not positive, but frankly negative, because

these enterprises cannot objectively work now , they are insanely unprofitable and eh- they graze me they simply do not work, but at the same time they will have to pay the full price for them, and i emphasize that if the ukrainian courts will not do it, then an international judge will do it, and believe me, it will definitely be in the interests of the owners, because the ukrainian constitution protects property rights, what is the international legal system in general, and isn’t there a person in volodymyr zelenskyi’s team who would explain to him all these risks, but here i have a question. i would like to hear from mr. zelenskyi, is he aware of what he is talking about it is said well, it's just a conscious action. well, yesterday someone asked me. maybe he asked to participate in the hoops. well, i say. well, i don't know.

rather, i assume that he simply doesn't realize what he's doing, and those around him well, they are just, well, let's say that they frame him, well, if it's to be very, very diplomatic, say because yesterday in a phone conversation, i explained to the journalist more harshly from the point of view of what is it called from the point of view of, well, let's say the actions of mr. zelenskyi and regarding those who is next to him because i emphasize none it makes economic sense now that you simply take these enterprises, nationalize them, i emphasize , you cannot confiscate them, this is no more a mistake of our citizens, they are absolutely sincerely convinced that it is possible to just take them away, they seized these enterprises once there without buying them, now we will simply take them away in state ownership, this does not happen

, but it is all about what will happen, for example, with the personnel of those enterprises and in general how they will function, well, in the current regime, in particular, it is said who will carry out the administrative management of those enterprises. yes, we remember the story about firtashiv oblgaz, that is, formally, some procedures took place there. and as for the fact, so to speak , the old composition of the top manager and top management remained to be understood. that's right, management is hired people. they will say to do one thing, they will do one thing, i will say something else, they will do something else, and you will understand correctly that if a new owner appears, and not management , it is up to them to decide what to do with it, and he says that now you have to report to the new owner in this

in the case of the state, the state, well, let's say, i don't know if you are the heads of some of the direct managers of the enterprises themselves, but at the same time, the entire middle link can absolutely stay and work, i emphasize here, the problem is that at the moment all these enterprises are objectively unprofitable and, moreover, in the conditions of war, in contrast to small and medium-sized enterprises, they are much more vulnerable to strikes because, as a rule, these are large industrial facilities and missile strikes on them and, unfortunately, we do not we can protect them for the most part, they will lead to the fact that people can't work there, first of all, they simply can't because the press is destroyed or they can't because it's too risky for these people."

well, again, i’m not going to say what i can do . from such nationalization especially in wartime when all these enterprises objectively, they are unprofitable, deeply unprofitable, you understand that at the moment, practically all enterprises in ukraine are unprofitable. they, uh, work on a large account, if those who work work, well, mostly, and mostly with additional payments from the owners themselves . to close the enterprise from the point of view of losses for many owners is much more unprofitable than

to support their activities even when they are operating in the red objectively so under these conditions if we nationalize these enterprises we actually we will nationalize the losses and then we will pay the full cost to the owners of these companies, and i emphasize that no one forgets anything. and we will have to pay for it, and then the question will undoubtedly be when it will be clarified, and the question itself . in fact, they are striking ukraine, i am traveling through the wallets of ordinary people, because i emphasize that you will have to pay yourself from the state budget , we are talking about billions of dollars that will have to pay billions of billions of dollars as required uh, enterprises that have now been nationalized and this

will have to be done from the pockets of ukrainian citizens thank you thank you mr. boris for this comprehensive analysis live on the espresso tv channel boris kushniruk worked for you dear tv viewers the head of the expert analytical board of the ukrainian analytical center we are going further we are going further and this is the end of our second hour today with antin borkovsky of the marathon, but we still have many interesting interlocutors ahead. you will see the news, i call you espressova, together with the public association of dreams of action, junio ​​is collecting funds for the purchase of silencers for our defenders, and the employees of the polish company also joined this collection, who will add their own for every hryvnia we collect, so let's join the details you can see now on the screen well, the full information is reading