at that time, it was about the amount of about 7.5 billion euros, well, this is for 10 million or how many people live there in hungary. this is huge, as for us there, it is five times more, yes, or four times more than for us, 30 billion e-e euros, after what the government of hungary said that it still expects to receive this amount, what happened to this money in the end? well, three weeks have already passed since this statement by the european commission , do you know that, that is, the majority of viktor orbán's fidesz began very quickly to adopt anti-corruption legislation and look at what paradox ukraine on the way to the european union adopts anti-corruption legislation, and hungary within the european union adopts anti-corruption legislation in order to save money news anti-corruption legislation, well, i understand that there is no money yet why because it is not enough in hungary, by the way, it is in the ukrainian media, but now it is frozen there already goes to a hundred e- there are a number of infrastructure projects throughout the country that were supposed to be

funded by the european union, in addition to that example , during the whole of october, there was such a closed directive to all government ministries that this we cannot spend a month, that is, only with protected articles. this does not mean that hungary is on the verge of default, but it means that there are serious problems . viktor orbany also understands his key motivation. for the european union , because without them it will be very difficult. in your opinion, will the european union go to the post in order to be able to finance ukraine? i think it will. let's hear that viktor roman won brussels, what's up with soros and all these stories. and what will happen behind the scenes, yes , that is, uh, it's obvious, what, uh, well, the european commission, and

in general, well, the european union as such. he's already tired of viktor orban. threw viktor rover probably calculates that, you know , the european commission changes, it remains and people don't remember it, but well, they remember with memory, everything is fine with patience, you see too well, but already, if the european union also runs out of patience, that's why i think everything will be a compromise here it will be the compromise is definitely not in favor of viktor orbán, although he thinks that he will most likely get the money, as well as ukraine dmytro, well, one more question in conclusion well, we hungarians don’t only have problems with us, as they think, but there is a territorial minority with slovakia, as if according to the hungarians , their rights are violated with the croats. gorba told you back in may that if the croats gave us the port of rijeka, then we could import oil from all over the world, and also from russia. there are problems with the

romanians, how do these neighbors feel about something like this the politics within the european union, orbán, his government, it's simple, well, sober, it's not new, you know, it's like a chinese broken record, it's been playing for 12 years already, people who, in principle, have uh, if they follow hungary, they don't understand the price of this policy, so if it's necessary to treat it more easily it is difficult for us, of course, we are at war with russia, and therefore every help and every such decision is both painful and necessary, but unfortunately viktor roman is such a politician who, unfortunately, does not care, well, in most cases, although you see it for the candidate status voted voted large-scale anti-government actions took place in budapest a few weeks ago, if i'm not mistaken, they were meant to draw attention to domestic economic problems. well, there were many questions to the government, in your opinion , whether they can achieve something or if urban wins and the european the union will allocate money, then all

this will calm down and come to naught. well, there now the key protest is the protest of teachers, it does not calm down, it is massive, it is systemic, and it is ideologically motivated in a good way it is filled with the most dangerous prosthesis for viktor orbán, he will not repay it except with reforms in the field of education. and viktor roban is still not going to this reform, including because of money, when even he had money for these reforms, he did not go for them, he became like they say in a pose and wanted to show the teachers that who is the boss here, let's see how it will develop, the key thing that can be counted on from the point of view of these protests is that a quality hungarian opposition will finally be born in this environment, which does not exist, that is, the leader and team and some kind of plan of action eh all previous years victor roman won, including because the hungarian opposition sorry, no thank you dmytro tuzhevsky director of the institute of central

european strategy thank you for your participation now let's talk about the middle eastern region serhiy danilov deputy director of the center for middle eastern studies now will join us, we congratulate you, mr. serhiy, and glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, i congratulate you, i congratulate the audience, well , to have you on the air and to ask about the kherson region, which you know, uh, not from words, as far as i understand some of whom even had the opportunity to see with their own eyes how the kherson region and the liberated territories in particular live now, tell me a little more in detail, in particular how do you assess this alleged withdrawal from the right-bank bridgehead from the regional center of the russian troops, well, they are really withdrawing , at least yesterday there were several street e-e in a few very good students, the one who is trying to escape from the right bank, we hope they will continue to hit in the same way and these troops will not

be able to leave . as far as i am talking with my friends, it is now very slow, balanced, but confident, our people are moving forward, i congratulate you to the tank, we just went there recently. last week, uh, there, to the north, to novovorontsovka, they handed over help and generators to the tuchans, because the usual situation is very difficult, winter is coming, the houses are destroyed, there is no fuel logistic networks are disrupted, full-fledged life is not restored there, the same novovorontsov cars out of 6,000 remain 3,000, and the solution to solving these infrastructural humanitarian issues will now be in the first place, and then no less difficult ones will appear the question of the fate of entire settlements or

a conspiracy, whether there will be a need, whether there will be opportunities, and whether there will be a need to restore them, send a few people left, some completely destroyed, the picture is terrible, to be honest, then questions with collaborators with the return of people with the return of people from an active position and professionals, teachers, doctors, er, various specialists, the return of people with social capital, work er, and a lot of hard work ahead, and the joy of liberating a new settlement every day. will later move on to an understanding of the scale of the tragedy brought about by the occupation. thank you , sergey. actually, we need your professional comment on the trip of the secretary of the security council of the russian federation, patrushev, to iran. earlier, there was information

that cash was actually cash with russia the federation sent money for drones to iran before they received them. well, in addition to the drones, thunder, in addition to this money, there may be samples of some weapons that were managed either for trophies or , er, somewhere to take western weapons, in particular javelins and stingers and enlu verang were handed over so that they could copy them as much as they could. as far as i understand, in any case, we see that iran and russia are getting closer in their cooperation in a military sense. do you see the threat of russia obtaining the ideal of ballistic missiles in particular, one of the versions of this visit by many people is that iran began to realize that they were in trouble and

are trying to take a step back. personally, of course, i cannot know any confidential details and meetings there, but very soon, in any case, we will know what exactly we got as a result, that is, did the iranians limit themselves to some kind of supply of these mopeds again in a small batch, or will rocket missiles from average range of 300 to 700 km, we know it for sure, eh, the iranians returned it. if you believe scanius, of course, for specific people and a specific company, this is a supercar, as they say, just a bingo moped that costs 20,000 shahids shock bpl flying projectiles, they sold the thing for a

million, of course within the country it will not change anything, but for specific people, it is so very profitable to get 140 million in cash. i think russia will now be ready to pay 2 million more for anything to get if anything, but there are some signals that show the ambiguous attitude of the iranian establishment to the continuation of military cooperation with russia p sergey, how far is it possible to fake zhigulin stingara and ufos in the conditions of the iranian industry, sanctions or pseudo-sanctions imposed on the worlds of our well, i am not an expert in this matter in order to speak, but the iranians, in principle, copied a lot of samples

of western weapons, hmm, this also applies to the missile program and the drone program , they were able to plant american drones that were returning from afghanistan to silence plant it on their territory, and from it they made a copy of it, which is in service with them, so that, in principle, the engineering capabilities and knowledge are now too early to copy western samples of weapons, that is, it seems to me that israel's fears that if it will provide aid to ukraine and the weapons end up in iran or in the hands of iran, they are actually being implemented now, and in your opinion, this could become, again, a

reason not to give us weapons well, from the side of various countries that have not yet decided on this, of course. well, this is israel's laughter, it is simply a search for another argument so as not to spoil its relations with moscow, and here they can invent anything and however they want. this bible was used in his election campaign such arguments to the struggle no, well, yes, you just give mr. serhiy b- this is benimin natanyagu object yes well, that's the only reason they believe that maintaining a certain level of relations with moscow helps them uh in the situation in syria and limits certain iran's capabilities in syria are nothing anymore, and the second argument is a serious argument. i mean the real ones, this is that this war

does not directly threaten them in any way. they have a regional agenda. war if it does change, then not to the extent that they should interfere, mr. serhiy, well, there is also ukrainian participation in this story, what do you remember now, this abusher nuclear plant or the chief project, to which the ukrainian tour had to make a lot of turbines even under kuchma, but then under pressure there the western partners refused this contract and took advantage of it with pleasure. the russian federation earned this money, but a huge number of ukrainian specialists, including nuclear, well, nuclear engineers, went there to work anyway what is wrong with these people now, are there ukrainian specialists , maybe the atom is also possible, and those are also military gunsmiths who

work in iran and there work for the iranian industry, how massive is this phenomenon now today, please, it would be massive, it was several thousand of our engineering specialists who were hired by the pro-assat for construction these e-e power plants are now active there, so they have significantly decreased , accordingly, the need for ukrainian specialists has decreased significantly, obviously someone has already signed another contract with the soviet side, but this is completely not the numbers that were in the period of intensive work on the construction of nuclear power plants, but regarding the construction of airplanes, that is, planes in this joint project with iran, in what phase is it now and are there any aircraft builders of ours or from the antonov plant or from motor sichi yak too they are working on the

military-industrial complexes early for today please eh yes but the skazhem project turned out so well thanks to the efforts of both sides and the ukrainian iranian and eh yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes more eh more it's about that that there are a lot of students who studied at the civil aviation institute at kpi, they are now young students . if they took over this baton from ukrainian engineers . concluded their contracts there, they stayed. but it is not the same as with nuclear weapons there, the situation is very similar

, another matter is that the iranians offered contracts to many of these countries, creating as an engineer engineering e-e companies that work in conditional i don't know there in the near object of the united arab emirates but rather in europe in the balkans somewhere where our engineers were offered work by centers to engineers who before that worked in the screen itself and these campaigns were used even in the morning in order to bypass sanctions necessary components and technologies irani is powerful it would seem that the protests are a large number of detained protesters and uh 14,000 such people may actually lose as far as i understand please tell me whether the internal iranian situation

can distract e-e aatol actually from their activity in the foreign policy field and hmm, will something change in iran in the near future, given the scale of these protests? e activity in particular and first of all on cooperation- cooperation with russia, it must be said that iranian society and a significant part of the hysterical here has a very negative attitude to the supply of weapons to russia for the war against ukraine, the absolute majority of iranians on the side of ukraine, which they consider victims of an unfairly realistic war. and this is very unpopular and this pressure is present, and this is one of the

reasons why i say that there are signals that someone is starting to think. the appearance of groups that will articulate a change in approaches will somehow be outlined if political representation appears in the protest then the protest can really turn into a successful revolution thank you very much for and always high-quality analytics for everything you do in particular for the kherson region, serhiy danilov, deputy director of the center for middle eastern studies, joined the live broadcast of the espresso channel. well, we are taking a step

further . with their imperial ambitions, including us . in view of everything, if there is a corresponding vote , the kharkov city council of catherine and publicists, the schedule of everyone who stands under her, which is also important, will go with the retinue, most likely, the empress in kharkov dismantled the bust of pushkin, er, literally yesterday, there was information according to me, you are mountains and, by the way, he presented his chest with sacks to protect it from vandals or something else. i know that yesterday in uzhhorod the monument to the liberators was demolished, it was still standing there, what did he do there, the monuments continue to fall in in any case, ukraine is being cleansed of such

ugly traces of its connection with russia and with the soviet ally, did the kyiv government make such a decision, when mykolayovych was brought down, when it turns out to be incredible, only yesterday we talked about it, only yesterday we talked about it, and i wonder when where will it be moved, this work of art, well, without exaggeration, it has a certain aesthetic value, but if in terms of content, then well, it should be changed in social networks. well , he was slapped with kravchuk. where are we going to send the deceased ? somewhere there, i would offer to move him to the cemetery on the fairy tale, he is buried there, well, endless rehearsal. yes, we have our next guest, yes. and this is volodymyr vyatrovych, people's deputy of ukraine, member of the committee on humanitarian and information policy, volodymyr, congratulations, glory to ukraine well, let's go about the artifacts and we will start about kateryna a little later, because we already talked about

shchors, i wanted to talk about the crimean platform and about various er kherson jewels, artifacts, what about them, the humanitarian group of the crimean expert network the platform learned that packaging material for the evacuation of the collection was brought to chersonese, located in occupied sevastopol, even from chersonese , that is, not from kherson, sevastopol. this was reported by journalist andriy klymenko. my hypothesis is that, most likely, under the pretext of protection from air attacks and shelling, the armed forces of ukraine plan to withdraw, that is, steal priceless artifacts to and then you can forever search and sue, as has already happened more than once with the exhibits of crimean museums and galleries at different times, the journalist reminded that chersonese is the tavrian national reserve chersonesus tavriyskyi street ancient one sevastopol crimea is the only ancient medieval archaeological site of the northern coast of the black sea which is part of the world cultural heritage and is under the protection of unesco, can chersonesus be transferred to russia at all, volodymyr, what do

these containers that have arrived prove? i think that it shows that, unfortunately, this is a robbery that the russians have carried out in ukraine for centuries, it continues now uh-uh in the nearest possible answers from the ukrainian territory from is intensifying and it is necessary to understand that this kind of looting is not simply done with some kind of desire to get some kind of material benefit. that is, for me, it is also an element of genocide, because this deprivation of its cultural heritage is absolutely commensurate with the physical destruction that is taking place in the ukrainian cultural heritage museums, monuments, e.e., burning of ukrainian books, removal, as well as passage of cultural heritage, has only one purpose, to show that there were no ukrainians in ukrainian history, that this fiction and to stand up to this key thesis in russian propaganda that ukrainians do not actually exist, in fact we are one people with them. and this thesis is

precisely the basis of genocide, therefore those actions of russia are absolutely not accidental and they are definitely aimed not only at some kind of material enrichment is really an attempt to destroy our cultural heritage, but to destroy ukrainians as a separate nation. volodymyr well, i was wrong about kyiv, not in the kmda, in the ministry of culture and information policy. yesterday, the meeting of the expert commission on russification under the ministry of culture and information policy just ended. i am also a member of this commission. and today we made a decision to consider it necessary to dismantle the monuments to the shors on shevchenko boulevard at the corner of simon petlyura street and vatutin there in mariinsky park . with removal from the public space and further museification. that's all oleksandr wrote to doni. how quickly can it be done, mr. volodymyr? who else has to make a decision?

the decision, to be honest, in short, no decisions at all were necessary, there is a direct norm of the law . and only, well, the position of the kyiv leadership, in particular, the mayor, restrained the dismantling of this monument, which was supposed to be done after 2015, but it became very symbolic, you know. that this decision was made exactly on the day when the day of the death of a well-known ukrainian collaborator of the tribukh for me that's what profit is in shorts and people are absolutely almost identical in their fates , the only thing is that unfortunately shchors' publicists won and then they made a hero out of him, and the russians will definitely not win, and the battle forced him to do so and he remained in our history as a traitor, so of course i congratulate you on what you are doing, it is preserved that this doctors will come to some level of practical solutions, as well as to me it adds optimism because this is evidence of the fact that you are dominated by all social attitudes that flow into the pressure on local self-

government bodies from the installation of these stamps of the russian world , they are beginning to have such an influence even on the authorities, because unfortunately, the last few months representatives of the authorities, either central in the form of the ministry of culture or local, especially in the south and east of ukraine, initiatives often stalled, er, they thought that it was possible for me, let 's make some kind of commission, er, under the commission, we will discuss these issues for a long time, it is not possible to solve everything quickly, but they see that it's obvious that the government already represents that the mood is not changing that we have three to get rid of those markers of the lutskyi mir in ukrainian society and thank god the old wrapper is no longer there he stands without a wrapper and what to do with vatutin there are also his bones that seem to be lying in mari park, if you are not mistaken, in fact, the situation with vatutin is just right and the composition of the situation is exactly that it is not just monuments, it is a grave, that is

why it was not applied to him the effect of the law on decommunization, in contrast to the e-e statue that concerns shchors, it is obvious that you need to make a decision on the re-burial of e-e this holiday and chief and the dismantling, accordingly, of the dismantler, the monument to catherine catherine in odessa is also such a pressed by local activists, pro-ukrainian forces, patriotic citizens and residents of odesa, even trukhanov took this step and said the monument will be demolished, what will happen to it, volodymyr, yesterday in social networks i suggested changing this bronze idol to ukrainian prisoners of war. i think that russians are always in them idols higher than the life of any man of god will gladly go for it, what do you think will happen to catherine of odessa, please first of all, if we speak in the language of legal documents, it is not even a monument, it is a small architectural form it is in no way formalized as a fact now firstly secondly it has no historical value because

it is not a historical monument that has been there for hundreds of years it has no artistic value because it is an ordinary copy so if the russians were going to take it away well i am very in fact, i doubt it very much. it is possible that there is some great value . i think that potemkin was taken out of kherson, that is, he is of some value to them, and kateryna, who was not with us, was his mistress. grigory potemkin . now i'm talking about the summit monuments, that is, kateryna, this is an ordinary ordinary copy of a modern new building, they say that it has no historical and artistic value, eh. to use this material in order to capture one of the ukrainian heroes, some important events from ukrainian history, it will be a better

approach and think about it, and in this way, in the future, use this place for in order to once again show that odessa is a ukrainian city, because for a few minutes now we are talking about some point moments point by point approaches each individual monument er and or there object, roughly speaking, it seems to me that if it sat in the normalization in the context er, somehow improving the legislation on humanitarian policy, the systems approach would be more systematic, and the fate of the draft law is absolutely in agreement with you. i believe that the issue of adopting this kind of draft law is overdue. i am pleased that i have the honor to be a co-author with with my colleagues in european solidarity, and in particular with mykola knyazhytskyi, who is the initiator of the law on decommunization, there is also an alternative bill - it is the representative of the servant of the people party, nikita futuraev, who is essentially

quite similar. public intensives, which, thank god, are so actively in need of a certain legislative framework, the draft law prepared by us may be just such a legislative framework, and we would like to hope that this is an understanding of the threat of everything of russian which is currently in the parliament will be a guarantee that this bill will be adopted in the near future and we will add any doubts of the employees of individual representatives of local authorities who are still hesitating what to do with those russian bodies of which territories well, i would add that if there was the development of some joint bill, it would be a very cool signal for our society that both the government and the opposition can unite around fundamentally important

things, if only the authors of that bill would leave to the meeting what do they say, mr. volodymyr spasybi, do you think that means we worked out a draft law that began to be implemented jointly, one of them is an important e-e law that was voted by the verkhovna rada on banning russian music e-e use requests of russian performers or the community was written thank you very much but but on it's a pity that there are attempts again through the law on media to highlight certain norms of this law, so that's our reality, but i think that there is a possibility of creating some kind of joint project. thank you. it was volodymyr vyatrovych, people's deputy of ukraine, they talked about the peculiarities of humanitarian policy and how it should change in the near future.