also, the head of the scientific research department of military psychological research of the scientific research center for humanitarian problems of the armed forces of ukraine, military psychologist vyacheslav oliinyk, will also be in touch with us, and the same thing about what you were talking about, ms. hanna, what's up the military does not allow civilians and only military psychologists can work, so mr. vyacheslav, we have already started talking with ms. hanna about the fact that not everyone can experience post-traumatic stress disorder after a trauma, after what they have experienced in the war. you can say from your own experience that you see that the majority of military personnel still need the help of psychologists or that the majority can cope on their own. good afternoon

. i have a few questions. i heard a few questions. first, regarding the work of civilian psychologists with military personnel, there is a certain specificity in this work. uh, the research center at the moment and by the end of the year, i think we will make such a methodical guide for civilian psychologists on the peculiarities of working with military personnel because there are certain peculiarities a certain map of the worldview, there are certain peculiarities of the behavior of military personnel and some civilian psychologists who have quite a bit of experience working with this category and need some help and certain knowledge on how not to harm, what words should be said, what in general, what are the peculiarities of working with

this category, this is the first and the second with regard to post-traumatic stress disorder, there are indeed studies, and quite a long time ago, starting from the middle of the 20th century, these studies show that a certain category is a certain percentage military personnel, well, depending on the intensity of hostilities, it can be from five , well, on average, to 25%, who will later develop post-traumatic stress disorder, but not all of them, of course, certainly not all, and military personnel already with experience in anti-terrorist operations with experience in general the eight-year war has been going on for the 9th year, there are certain shifts in the psychological support and psychological training of servicemen, therefore, servicemen are psychologically preparing for those

psycho-traumatizing effects of hostilities that on in the process of this combat activity, in the process of combat take-offs with the enemy, which affect the psyche of the serviceman and they are partially prepared, they have a fairly high level of psychological stability and psychological readiness to perform combat tasks. i would like to pay attention to such an aspect as post-traumatic growth because again, according to research, 60-70% of the staff will notice certain shifts in their outlook on their relationships with loved ones from a reassessment of the values ​​of their life from a certain level, certain steps they will pass, and this will indicate that a new quality of life is a new attitude to life, an attitude

towards oneself and one's role, one's role in the world, relationships, and these will be positive changes and these positive changes. well, they will not necessarily be, but they need to be noticed in time to promote or as a beautiful ukrainian language there is such a word nurture nurture precisely this post-traumatic growth is based on it to be supported in order for the serviceman to get to a newer, new quality of life even though this is post-traumatic growth again, according to research, it can be parallel to go with a traumatic stress disorder from this, no one will go anywhere without insurance, but still rely on the new, on the new quality of life - this, i believe, is necessary, especially in working with military personnel who have passed otp-clo currently, the

russian-ukrainian war is taking place. of stress disorder are people who experienced strong fear, threat to life, collapse of life plans, injuries, saw explosions, destruction, lost a loved one or were witnesses of traumatic events 90 no 57% of the country's population it is a lot in fact and it is a huge problem and to help with it, ukrainian psychologists have developed a methodical guide which is called how do you take it, a kind of step-by-step psychological instruction on how to deal with victims of war, using it , people will be able to help each other and the matter for let's bring these tips to the masses and start

applying them, so our journalist anna olenkova found out what psychologists advise. where to find this guide, answers, look at the stories, the closer a person is to war, the more complex some traumatic experience he receives destroyed houses, rocket attacks, death relatives and fellow citizens, having experienced such a situation, people cannot cope with it for a long time, they withdraw into themselves, avoid communication even with their relatives, but psychologists were concerned with how to get them out of this state they developed advice on how to find an approach to such a person and described the methodology in the manual. we have a very simple technology in the manual. you need to remember three questions in one principle and the first

question - this is a question of how you can help a little, that is, not just how you do what is there something like this happened to you, it's difficult, such a difficult question, and such an easy question like you, why help a little? security, because a person who needs help is safe when a person helps you, listens, adapts to the environment and feels trust in you, therefore, most likely, she will start talking about herself, emphasizes the psychotherapist, when you become uncomfortable in a conversation when a person talks, you need to reduce the degree of tension , and for this we use the second question what

happened before that? that is, we help a person move away from a traumatic event to a more familiar territory , so at the second stage, psychotherapists advise to recall the past, happy and safe moments for a person, but on the third day - to analyze events, to look for the culprits, it is important to be close, but not to bother with your advice and assessments, so uh, so as not to respond to anything, to express my opinion, we say, i don't know you, it's true, i wasn't there, i i wasn't there, but what do you think will happen next? and then the stage of rebuilding and planning the future takes place, as a rule, according to the words of a psychotherapist. the person becomes silent and thinks a lot. you need to stay close because all this is happening because the person is safe

and you yourself provided this safety and that is why it is important that you are close by and have already started applying the technique in practice, its effectiveness is confirmed by ivan, he is a military man who recently returned from the war zone and has already faced with the difficulties of communicating with oneself, which one way or another arises. here is some kind of transparent wall that prevents communication , does it make communication so effective ? ivan needed support, he wanted his listened, wanted to share with someone what he had experienced , a person who then thought about his inner feelings, what did this person feel there, was she scared or how did she bring the proximity

of death, ivan became a member of the team of developers of the manual, how do you take it, so it is possible to evaluate the effectiveness of advice, a psychological technique goes to the masses in particular through art, this is yana, she is the co-founder of the theater of changes, the woman transforms the theory from the manual into practice in the performances, mistakes are celebrated, that is, we do a lot of different wheel exercises in which we we make mistakes to show that we are not people according to yana's words mistakes show that all possible people are not robots and this must be accepted i trust that when uh you have intentions of help you want to hear me and you won't hide me who won't uh talk why

don't i you will simply accept my reality, yours, which is now, the guide on how to take is already available to all who want it, if you type on the internet how to take the guide, you will immediately find it on the website, you can download the pdf version and you can order printed version and we will get him there in a few days. well, i remind you that we are in touch with an accredited mdr therapist and specialist in complex post-traumatic stress disorder, hanna dudnyk and the head of the research department of military psychological research of the research center for humanitarian problems of the armed forces ukraine's military psychologist vyacheslav

oliynyk and respected experts. we communicate with people who have suffered, especially with military personnel, they should start with simple phrases and be very easy. what does your work with patients begin with? i also want to add a little. that's why mr. yuriy can start. mr. vyacheslav. yes, mr. vyacheslav, that's good. well, now. how are you? it's a universal word that actually replaces any of us. good morning greetings in general, a word and an expression. how do you say this about the fact that you communicate with a person, what do you share

, what do you want to know, what is she really like, how do we communicate with military personnel? well, i would definitely like to shift the emphasis and say that a person and military personnel in the process of these psycho-traumatic events and after them, the psyche still adapts, and perhaps the most difficult situations are those who surround them. son, and now he is in this process of dwelling in the mountain and so on. yes, there are certain shifts in me personally. there is a certain sublimation of this process of burning , which resulted in such a book. my son's speech in the

form of an album of memories, my memories of my relatives, this happened to me, but i want to say from experience that those who surround me have a much harder time with them, how does such traumatization go, maybe stronger than mine because they are more worried and they do not know how to deal with it detect and perhaps more is necessary for psychologists to work with the entourage of military personnel, with family members, with friends, with relatives who were not there, who did not live there, but who do not know how to express their emotions, how to talk to military personnel, because many of those who surround me, yes, i feel support, silent support, support, but most cannot express even simple words of sympathy they can't choose how to say even though it's simple elementary i empathize with you i share your

grief well maybe these are simple words but we are not trained and they are those who are around they cannot convey them verbally, even though simply being next to a serviceman and everything was correctly said in the story, simple stay, willingness to share, willingness to help, not intrusively . with a disability that he wants nothing, he can, and that he wants to help in his desire to realize it, perhaps this is the most difficult and it is again difficult for those around him to be in such a resource condition to have a lot of strength, a lot of desire and to

be in a normal official state in an optimal state. i would say that in order to help military personnel and i am sure that most of us, most of those who have lived through participation in hostilities, adapts and adapts to peaceful conditions to the environment, adapts to the new status, will find the meaning of further life, and together, this is the key word, together. we will continue to live, build, rebuild, and military personnel will play one of the main roles, and psychologists, again, are military psychologists. my belief and from my experience is that a very small part of military personnel who will need

will need such significant support at the level of psychotherapy or some in-depth methods of psychological assistance, mainly psychological support will be needed in order to undergo the process of adaptation and transition of the psyche from military to military rails to the rails of civilian life, the return, here i am. i really like this expression of returning to the arms, we know both psychologists and ms anna will confirm that 12-15 hugs a day normalize the psycho-emotional state and help to fully live mentally, maintain mental health, and therefore return to hugs and those stories that we will see on facebook and in social networks that move when servicemen

return home, they hug them, kiss them, they are ready to accept them as they are, this is the most important thing in our support for the mental health of servicemen, mrs. hanna, and to you, too, we have already started talking about the families of servicemen, and i read about what actually mr. vyacheslav also confirmed that it is the most difficult for the families of military personnel, because they are now the most vulnerable category. so, first of all, i wanted to thank mr. vyacheslav for sharing his personal story and that he, well , from the inside from the middle can confirm how important it is and that even psychologists too well, unbreakable, yes , the war affects us as well as anyone else in this country, if we are here

, first of all, secondly, i wanted to say that when we see news when we experience it all it is the so-called trauma is a witness and about what mr. ochisah said that those who were not there, they do not know. they guess what is happening and it is sometimes much more difficult to experience emotionally, because that is why i also confirm here that support groups are very important, it is so much psychotherapy how much support is there from people who have a common experience when someone has lost someone from their relatives in war or displacement, people who have lost their homes or those relatives whose family members are now in captivity. that is, these are all people who are among us but we can't quite share their experience because we don't know what it's like. and when they gather in a circle and

can share their experiences because there are a lot of them emotionally, these are very colorful events, so they can place their experiences there and they don't stay alone, as well as confirming these words, what are they? we all have to understand that we are not alone, no one should be left alone with their grief, we have to seek support, but i want to note that support in this case is different, so someone should be hugged and someone should be left in and and here it's important to say that i don't care what's wrong with you and i'm here for you if you have a resource if you don't have a resource don't make yourself a hero because you're still overloading a person if you can't stand the big emotional stress now please well, you don't need to involve a psychologist. you can tell me that i don't care

what happens to you, i can make you tea, but i can just go for a walk with you or stay with you, which also confirms the words of mr. vyacheslav that sometimes it happens silently, that is, it is not necessary cause this emotional tension, but it's really the case that we have to get it out of ourselves somewhere, because as it was shown in the stories, these are very cool activities when we can through some cultural events, theater, painting, some uh, what, you know, touches the strings of our soul, we have to heal the soul as well as the body and what concerns the adaptation and return, because in the combat zone, we turn on the survival mode and it is quite such a functional mode , there are emotions that interfere with that, of course, the majority of the military they are human but in order to

to survive sometimes emotions get in the way and when they return they should have time and the opportunity to work out these emotions inside themselves sometimes they don't want to share and that's why it's very important for the military so-called compensation camps where they can move from the rails of military survival to er, well, life again to their standard of living, and we understand that there is a difference between professional military and those er, who went to protect us, but it changed his life before the war, he was not a professional military or not in such a well, these are the goals for ourselves, that is, they are slightly different categories, and i also want to say that now we have this euphoria, that we are the glory of the armed forces, we will support them, we

are waiting for them, and we are trying to do something, but there will be a period when they, when i am sure, we will receive victory and they will return and after some period of time, when the euphoria passes, then we can already conduct research and say about who really needs professional help and who does not, i.e. now we are all uh-uh, this is what distinguishes the ukrainian case from the world experience of ptsr, which has never been like this what we are trying during the events, that is, the event has not ended yet, we are all currently still in a stressful event in a traumatic event for someone , but we have a unique experience that we are trying to recover, uh, you know how in the movies it shows when something attacked him there, he once recovered , that is, we now have a unique experience, and here i will also support the point that there will be a change in our

worldview, a change in values, and if we form in society a new opinion that no one should be left alone with his grief and that emotions it is also important that men should not be such supermen, you know, that we all have to preserve humanity in this war, then i think that we have a very good prognosis , together, all together, you know, as a society, together, take a step towards development, and not towards decline, and we have a very there is not much time, in fact, i will have one question, literally two minutes each for vyacheslav's answers, first i have a question for you and here, at the beginning of our program, ms. hanna said that the military are different from the civilians that they are seems to be ready before they go to war, they know

that they can get injured there, they can. after this injury, yes, well, they can get injured, it can be the loss of a limb. it is written that every fifth military man thinks about suicide. these are the military men who returned, i mean those who lost their limbs, were injured, and more than 50%, they suffer from depression, can you, mr. vyacheslav, either confirm or debunk this if do you think that this is a myth, and if you can, well, two minutes. if i briefly return to fear , the greatest fear, and this is confirmed by research on tractor automation, the fear of mutilation is in the first place. in second place is the fear of death, that is, for a military serviceman, the

fear of becoming an amputee is greater than the fear of death no fear of dying, and that is why i may not have come across these statistics, but at the expense of depression i absolutely agree at the expense of suicidal thoughts that accompany plus depression, of course it may also be that 1/5 of them encounter such suicidal thoughts, intentions, actions, and so on , that is, it is most difficult for military personnel to return, and this is the category of military personnel, and in general, persons who have lost their physical health, lost a part of their physical body, it needs the greatest attention of psychologists of the greatest forces of the environment and knowledge, first of all, in order to help and in a timely manner to recognize these negative moments that will still occur in the process of living, getting used to it, in the process of adaptation and psyche to a new life, to a new self, and that's why i separate the eyes in principle

here are the moments that uh, the biggest and most difficult job and now it is going with this category of military personnel with this category of persons mrs. hanna literally one minute to you tell me, please, i know exactly what you have uh such practices now will be oil oil practical which can you advise our viewers on how to relieve yourself and help your nervous system? well, of course, if i only have a minute, i won't say anything new about the prevention that we have to take care of our physiological needs, i.e. sleep walking, moving, breathing, these practices are very much about grounding and breathing on the square

or tapping the body like the butterfly hug, but i would like to return to your previous question about amputees, because this is my specialty and i can add to this it makes sense that people are not afraid, well, they are not so much afraid of losing a limb as they are afraid of losing their capacity, and i am very proud that i am involved in that process and we already have a program like nezlamni in lviv that helps people get prosthetics that their life was worthy, well, i did not lose this ability, and now a very large project of super humans is also being developed, and unfortunately we have to say goodbye to it, because we still have a live broadcast, eh. i hope that we will meet again in this company live broadcast i want to thank you very much ms. hanna for joining our

broadcast today, unfortunately we did not have enough time and to you mr. vyacheslav i actually bow down and thank you for raising such a son and thank you for what you are doing and continue to do and today's guests they showed by their example that ukrainians are really like a phoenix bird, as ms. hanna said, it rises from the ashes and we have the right to emotions and work with your emotions and with your psychological state ukraine will definitely win it was a program about health and i am iryna koval take care so that ukrainians don't think about so that they don't talk in the first place war still comes out war and our victory seven days a week from monday to sunday seven different experts on human activity sports culture politics

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