direct help to the russian dictator in the war against ukraine because the risks are very high and why should teams help an outright loser who is going to lose and if we look at the last months, it is actually defeat after defeat for russia in ukraine, why sacrifice and put yourself under additional sanctions, subsidized sanctions the strikes are for the sake of the losers, actually geopolitical and military, this is one of the factors, it is not the only one, but it is what makes at least part of the iranian elite think about whether it is worth it at all. that's all to get involved even further because iran has already taken the first steps, but it still remains an open question, how deeply will it plunge into helping putin in the war against ukraine ? connection at this hour and now we will talk about how, in principle, the

war that russia continues against ukraine for the ninth month in a row perceives the world and how it treats this war in general, how adequate the perception of the civilized world, so let's talk with a british journalist, a senior researcher at the johns hopkins university, support from meran hello, peter, in principle, this is the perception of war in the west, how much does it differ . western consciousness. but there is one trend that all the time sees, well, one very important aspect of this war, and that is the imperial war of russia against ukraine, the torture of a large nuclear country a-a will humiliate and take its sphere in the leninykh as they

say an independent country and it is necessary to understand all this because it is necessary to explain the complexity begins when a-a to understand wider and large-scale consequences everything is convenient for many people see the war how evil mordor attacked the good hobbits a-ah and this is part of the history of course, but here more of course is happening, it’s a war, and there are forces like russia and the wound. i’m like that. rules or control such a world without rules by and large yes, there, where, where, where, any dictator can humiliate people, it will be these countries, uh, break all the rules, and so on, and it’s more difficult for people to think about it because nobody doesn't want

to think that they are fighting, yes, for that he doesn't want to think обычные пападные читать the league does not want to think that this is his war, too, because that's when it starts well, here's a realistic picture of the world, which is very unpleasant, very complicated, and people are asking to protect themselves as much as possible from this too it's nice to think about it's like somewhere far away we 're helping a little brave ukrainian to fight against a big evil . it is very important to understand the person because, uh, how do western societies see the end of such a war , because we see that it is already beginning to disagree and not speak. you know it is necessary to restore international law, because if if it is not restored, then the right of force will prevail, as others say. but after all, ukraine cannot really defeat russia because they kept things nuclear and sooner or later at the negotiating table, we will have to come to some kind of compromise,

but the search for a compromise has already, as you can see, led to war therefore, there is no contradiction here in the approaches, yes, there is it sometimes well, it is not resolved yet, it is just bubbling somehow a-a, of course, in today’s agenda, the main thing is there, i don’t know yet-so far, these two are the main a-a what is happening on the battlefield, well, that's what it is, that's not what it's not, not only the turmoil in society. yes, i live in washington. and here there is no final solution. er, it is actively developing, but in america it is simply clear that the most important thing for them is china, not europe, and it is simply clear here that if russia defeats you, china will be easier to transfer rights to asia, and since china their priorities are important to russia could not, no, no

could somehow a-a successfully enter a foreign country er-e with impunity well, what should this punishment end here for now nobody can articulate it makes it for the better so far in the sense that at the point when it is articulated then the chain of kisses begins a-a the consequences , which are not a fact, will be very pleasant for us. and you yourself don’t think that the west, as the locust says, has relaxed, that’s what i mean. budgets and states of western radio stations working for the former soviet union, it was considered that the mission was accomplished, but we will save some emotions of radio liberty and the bbc. what a beautiful bow. let them work in moscow so that everyone can see that even in moscow they can already exist, but in principle they are not very russians themselves are not needed now to tell the truth about their affairs. why do they spend the money of american taxpayers, and british and german taxpayers, and as a result, everything was

covered up, everything was cut, everything was cut everywhere left, then it turned out that everyone is helpless against russian propaganda, which works much more effectively because there is no russia there, and as you remember in the soviet era, it was a goat visitation that, when it started , it became clear from the first sound of the announcer's voice that it must be something i will be an american or an englishman so that he listens without hesitation, but now, in fact, we must be honest to say that the country there turned out to be much more effective. are all western attempts to say that to the people of russia, the truth about what is happening in the world . and your own well, you trade in the other a-a, in the case that russia and china and iran are also very serious about information . in all spheres and functional problems, from bots and trolls to what

diplomats say on twitter, right up to the purchase of newspapers through different friendly oligarchs in the balkans. the most visible forever, well, it is possible in this plan. that's the same uninteresting well, the main thing is that both russia and china and iran are ideals and regional right extremists understand everything and populists understand everything that we are in a world where information has a very strong influence on everything and that's just how much it is everywhere something too we are in this game ategri decided not to participate in this game, this is mainly done by americans a-a well, the collective request er-e, which is a false philosophy that the market of ideas a-a and pluralism will simply win in this in this world yes, it’s just that news will come out somewhere and the truth win well, it's um, we see that it's not, it's not it is not related to the technological meteorological

space that can be so easily manipulated. well, everything that we know about human psychology, how we perceive information, people are not looking for the truth, they are also looking for what is convenient for them. and they they are losing the session they just don't play this game a-a i a-a it bothers me a lot because now there is a complete failure in america and the gospel in the sense that we have invented a network of literate enough such and economic a-a progressives e- e politician to russia and diplomatic well, in principle, and isolate, well, we do not continue these economic diplomatic policies, and we do not support them with informational, er, informational policies. the action that the request was made by the beautiful

you should work on the consciousness of different groups in russian society and this measurement of consciousness should lead to the name and change of political a-a calculations and political elections. yes, this is the theory of what we are doing. yes, we will give them, uh, in the end they will change their critical course. well, without informational support, it is impossible to do it. well, imagine you are doing economic reforms in america and do not support it. информационная компании yes and this is very strange and it is not clear who should do what, there is no minister, i do not know, but it is about information. the agency arrived very much, he loved it, even though the white house, eh, now it’s just a person, there are no such institutes, i don’t have an actress here, and it’s deplorable

. one of the main people is also like the head of the army, the head of intelligence, yes, she is in internal meetings, as if by the soviet union, the head of the agency is perfect for information, he was a small team of people, and how ukrainian women decided things сейчас есть under secret public depect very, very, very, very low position, very narrow responsibilities from budgets of the size of a, well, of a small size, we can't give exact figures now, well, tell me, sorry, but how do you present yourself, ukraine itself can somehow present its position to the west more successfully чем это описание сейчас and how, through political

steps or through the media circle, what should happen in general in order for the actual ukrainian idea of ​​​​its future to be perceived? in general, ukraine has done an amazing job in communications, that’s right, you are the public of memories. yes, the communication of politicians with the people of any country, and i think that many doctoral theses are already being written about zelensky’s team and how they found a language with different countries, with people in different countries , that’s for sure er, a shocking example, and in this regard, ukraine is a new leader, er, in this environment, er, and other countries are in the second position, yes, zelensky, in principle, somehow continued that interesting work , reagan or thatcher redid it during the cold war when they talked directly with the peoples of the warsaw pact a-a m-m that in this plan ukraine is just a leader leader in this

er communication is just how about communication, it is about influence. yes, and if zelensky and ukraine have brilliant communications with the americans and major european countries, when it starts to talk about the middle east, about southern europe, about africa , brotherly america, there is no such allergy to russia as there is in the conventional west and there are the remnants of soviet propaganda there, where, ah, well, russia is the successor of the soviet union, which helps these countries. how did they not help the protection of the war there? hatred of the west is very deep. well, and so on, and so on, and so on, too, ukraine. use and what are you in the same way as if uh weapons well ukraine lives working together with allies yes you need to understand which ally can

help in which geography of the world sometimes it will be conditionally ireland can uh help and i don’t know ukraine is friends with different countries of latin america, so it is necessary to understand who among the allies in ukraine can help solve very specific issues of influence and communications, but in general, of course, ukraine well, this is really a bribe to the revolution in the field of communications of their leaders with the people of the world, in principle, if you sum up our conversation, you can imagine how the situation should be formed in the post-war period from the point of view of the interests of the west in relation to russia from the point of view of the interesting question in relation to ukraine well, it is not completely obvious that and when ukraine wants to be ready and wants

everything according to what kind of negotiations or there are the conditions of the world the most important thing is that the consequences of this were that ukraine is in the same security zone as the conventional poland of history we are not we can wait for changes. in russia, they can happen. there are already theories. how can they not happen? every week , some smart guy will write an article about it somewhere, or the collapse of the empire. we don’t know. yes , let there be many complex changes. they won't even be there the main thing is for ukraine to turn out to be the same security zone that nato dreams of and so on in the west. it will be so terrible that you shouldn't do it, yes, yes, this is different, there are many different ways to do it, yes, it is not necessary

. poland and attack ukraine что что ответы удар будет такое ответы удар будет такое ответы удар такое ответи что тоже не состой думир thank you, peter. thank you for this conversation. peter, oranges, a british journalist, a senior researcher at the johns hopkins institute, we were on the air, and we discussed precisely these countries that pronounce e-e, on the one hand, are in eh, such a neutral state in relation to russia's war with ukraine, on the other hand, it is important what are the moods in society, because quite often the mood of society differs from the mood of the government, and of course these changes in public the sentiments of ukraine, a country in the civilized world , should be used precisely in order to promote its agenda, to isolate russia even where the political elites are not ready for such isolation, to see these changes taking place in each such country, this is a very important moment, especially

since we see that we are getting closer to a certain rubicon when even ukraine of the global south understands the danger of the war started by the president of the russian federation volodymyr against ukraine and that is why they expect the meeting of the president of the united states of america by joseph biden with the president of the people's republic of china, xi jinping , it will bring certain changes in the world e-e architecture. however, i want to remind you that before this, before the meeting of the twenty-somethings, for which he is expected soon, he was a guest of the shanghai cooperation organization, before that he visited astana and everyone was quite attentive to dvinkin's words to his guarantee, which he gave the president of kazakhstan, who was marto takayev's son, when he spoke about the fact that kazakhstan should be territorial integral, sovereign, important words if they remember that in 2017, the head of the people's

republic of china these are the words he uttered during a meeting with the president of ukraine, petro poroshenko , as we can see, when did the onslaught begin, when did the onslaught of such obvious, clear words on ukraine begin we have not heard from the leadership of the people's republic of china, that is why it is very important to influence and remind about these positions that were expressed even when there was no danger and this applies precisely to the situation that has developed now in kazakhstan, we will now talk with oleksiy skalazubov. oleksiy founded kazakh language courses for those who do not know it in the republic of kazakhstan , and this is a very important innovation . alexey hello. well, i would like you to tell us the situation in general. it seems to me that the ukrainian society does not really understand that in general, the knowledge of ukrainian here in ukraine is human,

which is even bilinkovy or can be they don't speak ukrainian, but they understand everything and everything they know is radically different from the situation in your country because of someone . and yes, of course, first of all, you need to take into account the fact that the kazakh russian language is very different, that is, it's not zaki from different isochov groups, but here there is practically no such effect that they are easily mixed or it is possible to confuse languages ​​completely different languages ​​a-a russian and ukrainian languages ​​have a lot in common a-a and eh these situations are completely different and here it is difficult to compare kazakhstan to ukraine of course how in general, ethnic russians in kazakhstan feel that they are closer to their own country or more beautiful than you are.

it was decided that i didn't have to choose anything, i was comfortable, i didn't say anything, i didn't decide anything, and i live in today's day, and the other part of the people considers themselves practically kazakhs, so here we are kazakhs, roughly speaking, from the russian people the cossacks of the orest family, of course, sound like those who regularly watch russian television, mainly ethnic russians who live in the northern regions of kazakhstan, who see their future, associate it with russia, and people live now with a suitcase attitude, well, their minority is fortunate. well, this means that if it is assumed that some russian army enters the northern irina kazakhstan, it goes there. on whom will it rely, in other words? it is not necessarily connected with the russians ; a significant part of the cossacks living in the north-

east of kazakhstan and even in the center of kazakhstan regularly watch russian television from childhood to adulthood and many associate themselves with russia, and the older generation of you, that i am in the ussr, really purges nostalgia for the union and and here is the current war. how did you change the public mood? you can feel it absolutely. the war in ukraine radically changed the society of kazakhstan. first of all, we had heavy january events , after which the national consciousness of our citizens have changed a lot, and literally a month after that, the war started in ukraine, and our citizens experienced another strong shock. ukrainians probably don't even know how much it rained on us, including us. the fact is that every kazakh every citizen of not our country

stood up and asked the question: russia attacked ukraine, and what will happen if they attack kazakhstan ? accordingly, in connection with this, it was necessary to ask for some answer from the tactical russians of kazakhstan, because as it passed, the majority likes to remain silent and say nothing, and there were people who found to unite those people who loudly began to say that there will be a war, we will be wi-fi to kazakhstan and if what happened, we are still patriots, and there was a demand to show that we love our country, that we are ethnic russian kazakhstani patriots of our country, and there is one way to say that we love our country

the country begins and the state-run kazakh language begins. that's why our conversation club appeared, and i'm the organizer of it. that's why i'm crazy. learning the kazakh language in kazakhstan. and tell me, a very large number of russian couples came here, not primarily because of these two months, they call the figures even in a million people, how do they adapt at all , how do they not relate to the local national, how do they not relate to the kazakhs, how are they, nemo, the old russian, they themselves are ready to learn the kazakh language. he speaks from his personal experience, first of all, quite a few russians came to our club in the spring. the political situation arranged in the spring, who politically and according to our humanistic

considerations left russia, that is, well, the most adequate people . wed, dog, three, dress up, there are many people who are ready to join society, many people who are no longer tying their future with russia, who are ready to go on a change, and for example, the number of people who have never studied the kazakh language since september a-a in our club is about 35 %. i will now make a small statistic of the 120 newcomers who came in 1.5 months, 45 have never studied the kazakh language, and indeed at each meeting we have two again, 10-15 человек из россии, some of them he comes once he leaves some attend every meeting and really show great

desire to learn the kazakh language here well, i have many friends and relatives in the north of our country, the insurgent obormoly region, and i can say that the situation is not like this everywhere, and many who fled from mobilization are ready to return and celebrate like this say the success of this whole war, which seems to be what russia has achieved , that is, many fled, they also ran for wars and for the agenda, but in general they favor putin's policy. unfortunately, say this when you speak learning the kazakh language, and this is the conversation clubs, you just try to work so that communication is established between people who know kazakh and people who don't know kazakh

. in soviet times, there was no history of kazakhstan. well, there are also people who lived there in the kazakh ussr, especially not kazakhs. nomadic, and then the bolsheviks came up with republics, that's the whole story , how much is the attitude changing now, precisely, that's the attitude to civilization . and during the independence of kazakhstan, they accordingly already taught our modern history and they know about kazakhstan and the history of genghis khan’s howling and about the teacher at school after the 90s, they no longer have a-a

for those who received an education in soviet times, this is very easy to trace in their favorite everyday conversations, for example, they talk with grandmothers and grandfathers. for those who are over 50, they are all convinced that almaty is the same as a russian city. what will appear here is almost never it was and so on. in short , no one is delusional, that is, he takes his time. politics a-a politics of studying is really kazakh history, it is held there. we all know about the famine of the 1930s, which a-a fixable irreparable blow to the tragedy of the ukrainian khazar people, and we all know how gulak is

. they know the history well, and because of this, desires are already moving, support for russia has fallen sharply, kazakhstan has a greater share of support from ukraine, and tell me, we will be in russia, yes, i have been to russia, they live there the relatives who came in the 2000s made you feel that you are basically another country that differs from kazakhstan. er closed in such a circle where to watch russian television where new year's greetings were met by the same putin for example er and i

now see you in such a way here in the russian part of russia something like that and then, 13 years ago, i traveled to nizhny novgorod, then vzharyvensk, i was shocked by the fact that the distance with you does not consider me russian, they call me kazakh, that is, the drivers pass by when they ask where will i find konstan, they are ready as you said, ah, well, i would be surprised a little, and also i saw a lot of that what is in the constant, for example, the relationship of some kind of tyrannical relationship, inscriptions in the style of russia for russians and so on tolerance is very tolerant of all religions

and all nationalities. they talked about it completely new. i would say such processes that are taking place in kazakhstan against the background of this war with russia and ukraine as citizens of kazakhstan, we see people of different ethnic origin, they are consolidating first of all around the statehood of their own country and what connected russia yesterday with the former soviet republics, it is being destroyed by the efforts of the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, it is absolutely obvious that aggression is always done by decent, civilized people, regardless of any previous political views or cultural ties, and it is very surprising that the

president of the russian federation federation, together with his closest circle, did not take into account this rather simple and obvious trend, this is such a cause-and-effect relationship that everyone knows at least once i read the story. well, let's not be surprised at all because of what is happening in the heads of the ochekists, but let's move on to the news release. now our news team is ready to present it to you, and it is not in omelnik. it will now provide you with all the important information of this hour. to return after the news release to our conversation with you. good evening, thank you. i will tell you about the most important thing together with the news editors, in particular about the fact that in the regions of the russian federation they are creating an inviolable supply of medicines. continue be close to me more