to a certain extent, they are on the same plane, that is, the problems are similar, this is a purposeful policy, assimilation, state propaganda, and to a large extent, a lack of external support, that is, if we are talking about the same beets, yes, or about kalyniks, for example, about the mongolian people, this is a lack of external support for some purposeful policy from the side of mongolia, which to a certain extent in the last decades, well, was in the status of a client state, then a state that ruled its policy depending on the wishes of moscow, something similar can be voiced in relation to there of the turkic peoples and turkey or kazakhstan , that is, despite such widespread stereotypes that ankara is implementing a policy of petrukism, that various instruments are actively working, such as in turksol, for example, no, actually, um, the turkish presence

in the turkic republics is greatly exaggerated , as well as the influence of turkey on the turkic of the republic , this statement can be applied to the ukrainian diaspora in the russian federation, on the one hand, it had fewer safeguards against assimilation than those mentioned by me the peoples, the buddhist peoples, were born there, i wonder if the turks are muslims, that is, they had a powerful fuse in the form of religion, which the ukrainians in the russian federation do not have. well, finally, the lack of any purposeful policy on the part of the ukrainian side, this can also be addressed in relation to ukraine itself in terms of the implementation of state policy with the decolonization of the russian federation , that is, we did not have either a policy regarding ukrainians in the russian federation, or a policy regarding the autochthonous peoples of the enslaved peoples of the federation version, that is, i

i'm not talking about individual point actions that really took place, for example in 2019 the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted a resolution condemning national policy in the russian federation, it had a certain response for the target audience in the russian federation, that is, for non-russian peoples, but systemic and politics were not as before yes, we have not seen it yet, and now look, mr. pavly, just a few months ago, an event called the forum of the enslaved peoples of the russian federation took place in prague. i am confused, there were also ukrainian representatives there, there were representatives of all these enslaved peoples who discussed in the end how to free themselves from this russian yoke when we are talking about these are already political measures, because

decolonization must be completed in any case er and culminate in some political let's say so mature decisions when we talk about this what can we say about er delegated representatives of these national minorities or let's say someone gave them to you representatives from the national minority to go and speak at such events. i just want to understand whether a representative of one or another autochthonous people of the russian federation can be responsible for the formation of what you are doing. look , i will start from the end at the end of my question they used a very instrumentally correct phrase indigenous peoples or autochthonous peoples, that is, i would not call these people

representatives of national minorities because a national minority is, for example, tajiks or er, there are kyrgyz in the russian federation, are you cheburets or tatars or bashkirs, they are in no way representatives of national minorities, and here it is not only a matter of the accuracy of the terminological apparatus, but the point is that autochthonous indigenous peoples are defined from the actual international law, and other approaches are used in relation to these peoples in terms of political representation, self-determination of the corresponding they have the right to form some kind of state entity on the territory where they live compactly and and they are primarily subject to the right to self-determination according to international law, it is considered that some peoples of the russian federation have implemented this right to self-determination in the form of national autonomous national republics, etc., but in addition to this, autonomous peoples,

indigenous peoples, they have the right to create their own national representative bodies, and now we move on to the first part of your question, do some specific people have the right to speak on behalf of the whole people, you know, there is not just a discussion going on now, but i would say a tough public one the confrontation between the representatives of the russian position or the so-called good russians, yes, i belong to these , to this category of good russians, who described themselves in this way, attributed khadokovsky, garik sparova, milova hudkova, that is, the environment of the russian liberal position, which is currently in emigration in the west and which different forms of free russia and anti-war forms. recently , there was a congress of people's deputies of russia in an apple grove near warsaw like

they tried to construct some documents of post-putin russia, this is one camp, and on the other side there is a camp of independentists, or what russians call separatists, these are representatives of indigenous indigenous peoples, tactful peoples, eh, these are several circles at once, among them the most famous , the most powerful - this is the league of free nations recently a caucasian union appeared in kyiv, which unites separate representatives of the caucasian peoples, but tatars, bashkirs, chechens, buryats, yakuts, kalmyks, erzya cossacks, even people who consider you cossacks are already united in these platforms nationality. that is, it is a fairly broad palette and they come from the following positions: the mentioned russian oppositionists, they all practically represent moscow, in the best case,

st. petersburg is also caterburg, and these people refused , they do not have the right to speak on behalf of the renewed peoples, which is largely true because what are the problems of legitimacy that the russian opposition accuses, for example, of independents from the ichkiria camp, and of the chechen republic of ichkeria or accuses them of being tatars? are mostly addressed to the russians themselves, because if there are no elections in russia, well, in fact, there haven’t been any for a long time. yes, i would say that even long before 2014, the national representative bodies were, after all, formed on the basis of probably democratic procedures that were followed by the autochthonous peoples themselves and there are at least a few peoples who managed to form their national representative bodies by february 24, 2022 and even evacuated these

national representative bodies for emigration. please tell me which one is our indigenous will pull the trigger or will it be like this at the same time and the action is a simultaneous act in your opinion, who was the most ripe for this who prepared everything the most and er where actually the majority of people from this enslaved people supporting the idea see forecasts thankless business in wartime that is, we understand what is here larvae of war, he is present, i would name a group of peoples who, even as i would name a group of peoples of the republics, who have the highest chances to start the process of disintegration, the game is the kumyks in the north of deghistan, these are the chechel-lingushi, the tatars and bashkirs, as well as which buryats you are in the east, we thank you

very much for this inclusion of an extremely important topic about the vision, about the perspective and about our priorities in all this pavlo pobyat, the head of the department of accounting and preservation of places of memory of the ukrainian institute of national memory was from we are in touch, but now we are happy to congratulate. by the way, we have not seen or heard from each other for a long time, well, at least i am taras zahorodnii, a political technologist, we are in touch with us. congratulations to taras. glory to ukraine glory to the heroes. so here i understand the topic for yegor, it hurts him i really do too, but i am asking igor and mr. taras. i wanted to ask you, i wanted to open my post in order to understand all the details of the new appointment of yevhen merzger, the former head of the state ukreximbank, who on thursday, september 14 received a court sentence for obstructing journalistic activity, article 171 170 of the

criminal code of ukraine if i am not mistaken and now i have received a new public position, your assessment of what is happening at the head of the state and in the state management of a state-owned company well, he is not a prisoner. he only received a fine . but nevertheless, the person has a court sentence. let me remind you that hmm. well, journalists differently evaluated a similar decision of the holosiiv court, if i am not mistaken, which was limited to only a fine in this case for obstruction. let me remind you. the film crew of the e-e radio svoboda program was attacked by yevhen menzerer himself, and his guards were taken from them, and the filming equipment, including cassettes and diskettes , were all then destroyed. well, then they gave it back and the journalists managed to restore the recorded video material, your word please look, based on legal logic

, he does not have an unexpired criminal record, that is, in principle, he can if he still threw it out there and paid a fine. and they will demand from the law enforcement agencies to initiate a criminal case under more serious articles, eh, if you look at it from a legal standpoint , eh, of course he is clean. to be such a person cannot be the head of a state body, especially in leadership positions, well, i hope that journalists will press because in this case there are specific facts of obstructing journalistic activity and putting pressure on the authorities further, taking advantage of the fact that there

is a war in the country, some our officials continue to live as if nothing has changed in the country, and there seem to be no requirements for their reputation. well, i hope that it will be until then, but here it is only a matter of the journalistic community. put pressure on the authorities, you know how in this case water sharpens a stone, well, let me remind you that yevhen medzin became the head of the board privately, it works the way it should work in this state. yes, he became the head of the board. well, it is called a private joint-stock company, but there the state seems to have controlling control package ukrainian financial housing company, what is the structure of mr. taras, do you know this is a company, something, something, impotence

institutions , something. campaign well, in my opinion, it is not particularly necessary because if the state, the state already has tools for, for example, if there are programs regarding the mortgage program, it is enough to compensate for the interest rates of the commercial banks of the state . by the way, the bank, that is, taking into account that we banking systems and so on 50% belong to 40-50% belong to the state, and this functionality can be easily performed by a state bank or privatbank or oshchadbank e-e or that very ukrgasbank, so i just don’t see a special need if it turns out depart from economic logic. and why do we need this institution at all? well, if we take into account the volume of housing construction that will be needed after the end of the war, and obviously it will be built

mainly with state funding or with funding from western partners, that is, not with the money of citizens, then we need an institution, we need an official who will to sit and distribute control this money and direct the flows in certain directions so that people can make money from these flows well, that's how i see this scheme well, look at it again based on economic logic, there are developers , developers need money, yes, three at a time, and citizens need an affordable mortgage, this functionality is fully fulfilled, that is, the state or orders, for example, uh, or through tenders or something related to it, the ministry can easily uh, there social politicians, i don't know who can do it, or infrastructures, but a commercial bank should finance with compensation of interest rates, that is, i don't see the functionality of this institution at all. why is it needed in addition to the fact that you

they said in order to simply engage in deryban because it does not produce anything and the institution that it is there will determine who it will mean who to appoint it is fully functional as i said, i can easily do it there, well , let's say here the ministry of infrastructure, it is more appropriate to say i.e. they order, the developers come up with their prices, but the citizens receive the banks, they are given the appropriate money, as i said, we will add more state banks, most likely one bank, there are rumors that it will happen after all the nationalized alpha bank is that's why this institution is not needed in principle at all taras and what do you think about the third part of article 171 of the criminal code, obstruction, obstruction of the legal professional activity of a journalist, a fine of 3-400. well, we saw what happened in the office in

the office of med zhird how did he directly give the command, what did he say to his mother ? spends if if somewhere higher. well, isn’t it? is it a proper, proper assessment, or a proper punishment? what do you think? well, in my opinion, there was not only obstruction of journalistic activity, there was also illegal detention, if i’m not mistaken . they took away er, this is also er, it is also a completely different qualification, in fact, theft by individuals of er property there, that is, here, the question is how to qualify it, and it can be qualified there under more difficult er articles. this is still valid. it is not an individual action as part of a

group of people. well, in general, you can call it malicious hooliganism, but it is completely different. in fact, the articles should be the most interesting. what is this, the whole story, this is all the detention, well, there was no torture. but they were really held by this restriction of will , the article is called, after the journal asked mr. mezgar about the terms of granting a loan by the state ukreximbank to a citizen who was it even seems to have been registered once in the city of horlivka in the occupied territory of lviv there, a business and when he arrived in kyiv, he received 60 million dollars in kyiv to the capital for the purchase of skymall, a scandalous center that was once built by baltic investors and then squeezed back in the time of tsar pank, and there are still legal disputes there, one of the largest shopping centers in the capital, disputes take place and it is after this question on what

grounds was this loan issued and about its details, why was 60 million given to a dubious businessman from horlivka. that's how 60 million dollars came out of a bush after that, and this whole fight started. well, not a fight and the deprivation of freedom of journalists, the seizure of materials from them, and this story about 60 million is still so , and it is still finalized about it skymov eh, well , the truth is, here eh, a separate separate story in general about this, hello, judging by such a nervous reaction, eh, dear banker so the situation is not entirely clear and why are you so nervous if you are asked about this question? and this is one time, but here i distinguished the case on the loan and the case on the specific actions of officials in relation to journalists. i believe that there should be more qualifications er, she should be under more difficult articles , mr. race, in general. how do you assess, you mentioned that

he had an expunged criminal record, paid 3,400, go for a walk , how do you assess that people in our country with court sentences receive receive positions, well, in particular, sytnyk became the head of the deputy head nzk having a court sentence, well, in fact, well, he was convicted, uh, this honey from the mountains was also sentenced in this new semi-state housing structure, he received a new position in principle earlier in the soviet court, what do you have a court sentence , it's all just private business for some maximum they will arrange a vegetable base for you to sell onions there, to sort through, now it is just a ticket to a new life with us. please, well, again, here is the question of the difficulty of a hundred teak in reality. especially if he is not mistaken, there was corruption there or something like that, and if i am not mistaken, then he could not

be appointed to nazk right away because there were related structures to nabu, but the question is more about him. i hope that there will be an increase in efficiency, all the more. let's take on the bankers, eh, well, i'm more or less satisfied if they still bring out the product, they will finally prove the panasirov case. well, this is a blow. i'm sorry, please. we've never had such an official put in prison. i hope that it will be brought to an end. and then it will be possible to forgive because such small uh-uh uh-uh for big sins in this case uh-uh because there is also a conflict there, there was such a rather slippery conflict there, well, it is unknown there refinancing bakhmatyuk, in my opinion , was still present there and so on. and regarding mr medgera well, the matter here is obvious, the more so. well, here is the fact

that he is not a criminal, that is, an obvious criminal, which is also a plus - he is reputable, he is, for sure, this person is the best. thank you. well, we hope that the structure called the ukrainian financial housing company will reach new heights under the wise leadership of yevgeny, we wish him new creative achievements. thank you. taras zagorodnyi was in contact with our studio. the planned meeting with the head of the people's republic of china xi jinping, which will take place today, will hold detailed discussions of the situation regarding russian aggression in ukraine, and chinese prime minister liqiang took part in the east asian summit on sunday together with us president biden the chinese prime minister spoke in great detail about china's policy towards ukraine

, a high-ranking representative of the us administration said that he gave a comment to the routers and the chinese prime minister and the kitty emphasized irresponsibility of nuclear threats during the summit to cambodia, hinting that he will leave because he does not like the nuclear rhetoric of his strategic partner russia, and now our colleague yuriy fizer, an international columnist, informs us that today at 3:30 p.m. in kyiv, roughly, biden is scheduled to hold a dry press conference after the meeting. and we have come to the journalist zhergonchik, by the way, i am running here in continuation of the previous topic with two to conclude, because i figured out here, after all, that this number was headed by ukrfin, the house is called the organization is 100% owned by the ministry of economy, i.e. it is private - it simply acts as a private entity of entrepreneurial activity, but it belongs to the ministry of economy and functions to ensure the functioning of the

mortgage lending market, to promote and implement financial and credit mechanisms to provide housing for the citizens of ukraine, so that now we will all housing, so why was he listening for attention oleksandr slobozha, executive director of the association of cities of ukraine, joins our broadcast, oleksandr, congratulations thank you for joining me. good morning. i would like to talk about the future. right now we are in a situation where, to put it mildly, it is not comfortable, but for the sake of victory, you can't stand anything. the energy system in our country is 40% damaged or destroyed. the kherson region is in a terrible situation . condition and it will probably take weeks or even months to restore the good of civilization there, but let's talk about how their precautionary measures can be taken in the event of continued missile terrorism from the russian federation yuriy gnad zauva thought that our air force command is similar , russia is stockpiling missiles in order to again resort

to that massive, powerful missile attack , in particular, and the energy infrastructure in general, here somehow solomko can be framed, in your opinion, if we are not talking about purely military measures and about i want to remind you that there was a huge number of appeals at one time and they continue, including from the municipal authorities to international structures regarding the closure of the sky, let's take this separately. these are the measures carried out by the military the central leadership of the country and negotiations are ongoing, but i will stop exclusively on those measures that can be implemented by the municipal and central government in order, let's say, not to prevent the destruction of the infrastructure, but to reduce the critical consequences of such destruction so that you and i as citizens of ukraine eh

felt less of these negatives, this disconnection of light, heat, interruptions eh water well, first of all, back in the summer, we talked about increasing eh financing from the reserve fund of the state emergency department budget and planning in municipal budgets eh similar reserve funds for the purchase of specialized equipment, well, it's not only generators, it's not only the so-called mobile boiler houses, which we have already talked about several times, which allow us to maintain the vital activity of the system . ah, on these maps and the preparation of so-called heating points, where citizens can, in the event of light, in the

absence of heat and electricity, e-e, simply get hot food and warm up and recharge e-e their respective er equipment er in addition to these special er hmm special equipment includes a variety of pipes, couplings, adapters that are needed by the municipal authorities in order to quickly restore damaged infrastructure objects, i want to emphasize here because there are a lot of complaints from citizens in social networks and on tv broadcasts about the fact that the house on the neighboring street is invisible or half the house is unlocked, someone has the lights turned off for 4 hours, someone is there for two hours -e i want to everyone understood that this is due to damage, i.e. which distributors and transformers are

damaged. where is the supply network or heat supply or water supply if we are talking about the fact that it disappears as a result of that and these objects suffer and in the presence of such equipment in the presence of proper such financing e-e it is possible to introduce er into capacity faster and reduce the time of er uncomfortable living of our er of our citizens. abolition of customs duties on

generators for the energy sector. we could quickly fix what the russian federation is doing to us, we already have enough of this, do you think that preparations for the elimination of the consequences of future missile strikes are slow ? well, you know, you asked the question, er, at the very point , er, well, first of all, it should have been done in the summer, we talked about it, but what was done is the right decision, the right decision is the second point that you drew attention to regarding our partners and emphasized er, i want everyone to understand that there is a sufficient amount of such specific equipment, especially as regards the provision of electricity generation in western countries , they simply do not have other equipment, other systems, and you drew attention there to the post-soviet countries that can help us

we hope that this is not only a matter of, respectively , exemption from vat customs payments and everything else. we really hope that such measures will lead to a reduction in the price of the purchase of such equipment by 9-10% at most, if it is available . there is also a second problem during the preparation for a certain season. we talked about it in the summer, we talked with the managers of the weavers of the generating heat supply enterprises in cities with water utilities, they paid attention to the fact that we have the correct norms in the law they absolutely are correct for peacetime, they are called about the percentage of localization during municipal and state procurement, that is, when some equipment is purchased, a certain

percentage of this equipment during the procurement must be produced directly in ukraine, but unfortunately during the war we cannot ensure this percentage of localization by our own efforts, and we appealed to the ministry of economy with a request precisely for the period of the war to relax these conditions and allow teplokomunenergo to be a water utility and a municipal to the authorities under simplified procedures under simplified procedures to buy this equipment from abroad and it has not yet been done. i hope that it will be done in the near future. it would help the municipal authorities to cover the negative consequences that arise as a result of missile strikes . as there