but infrastructure, but thanks to our glorious armed forces about air defense, these consequences are minimized, first, second, our energy engineers, emergency brigades work very organized, very confidently and heroically, so to speak, i think that the situation is gradually improving and , uh, we will hope for the best, although the enemy really wants to destroy us. he planned yesterday, just yesterday , to plunge ukraine into a blackout in complete darkness, but we believe that the world is light to the conqueror of darkness, and ukraine will win because of that, but here we must say something that during the war military actions, when

the energy companies will make really big additional expenses that are not provided for in their budget for the restoration of the infrastructure, e.e. plus decreased decreased, so e.e. the demand for energy resources, first of all, for electric energy is somewhere by 30-35%, then it is probably necessary to change the energy model, that is, because today, in essence, most of the state and non-state companies are working to their death, and that is, if the current model of the electric energy market is not changed, first of all, the price level is not raised i hope that at least the companies do not work at a loss for themselves , then we will have great difficulties in restoring the infrastructure. and you know that the energy industry is, in fact, the backbone of our state, the backbone of our economy, and it is impossible to economize on this, so i call on our government officials

in the first place. - to create such an energy model , first of all, through the definition of such pressure caps, so that at least a minimum of people from the company could work with a minimum profit and they had enough money at least for repairs and the purchase of equipment to the order of volodymyr's plans, i would like you and i to now analyze which model would be acceptable in the current situation, that is, on the one hand, we understand that there are so-called capital expenditures, in particular, we are talking about the repair of destroyed transformer stations, on the other hand, we understand that the capital is a large part of private of our energy companies well, accordingly, how should this model look correctly from the other side as well, and maybe even well, we have not fully exhausted the capacity of our insurance companies because we understand that a certain part of the objects had to be insured. well, accordingly, this could somehow

strengthen our energy engineers. well, but in general, the key issue. yes, these are powerful capital components, because the transformer station cannot be assembled with the help of facebook. that is , it is not just a powerful construction. and the time for its production is also extremely long. europe, therefore, special special equipment needs to be ordered here, it’s time, it’s a lot of money, and it should be noted that for the company ukrenergo , for the operator and the distribution system, it is very important that there is enough money for this, because today, no matter what, ukrenergo does not

allow e- for this company to carry out normal repairs and also to restore the system, it means that financing from one source of energy does not allow for normal development, that is, it is very important to work in this direction and in in the other direction, it must be, er, today, too, mainly for energy companies, both distribution companies and generating companies. they operate at a loss. well, the minimum price that could cover all costs for today is somewhere, well, not less than 4,000 uah for megawatts and unfortunately , today this price is due to these administrative regulations and pricescapes , it is much lower. some three or three times less than 3,500 years ago, so the company simply does not have the money to buy this equipment. you understand that.

without financing the purchase and ordering of this equipment, we can delay the restoration of our energy infrastructure for long , long months ago tactical ramstein as we plan to use yes we understand that some of the leading western economies have promised us to provide the necessary equipment on the other hand we we have to supply, as it were, private companies, respectively, also some kind of difficult scheme , decipher it, be kind well, you know, it is really important, energy rammstein more than 15 countries already weather and we are already working with them, the ukrainian ministry of energy, so that the ukrainian government works, the ministry of energy, so that the necessary equipment is supplied, i know that some transformers are already on the way, they are headed to ukraine, eh, this needs to be done, but again, in order to

order these this equipment is specific, it is necessary making some kind of prepayment means some money and not always all of these, all of this is financial, you understand that no rammstein will undertake 100% restoration of the ukrainian infrastructure if we do not create an appropriate model according to which our companies would not work well, at least at the level of the cost of production of products, that is why there is a big role here in restoring and also ensuring the reliability of the energy system, it lies in our natural partners and connections, on which we hope that they thank you thank you all that they highlight our serious money, but a lot depends on ankara kp, on the ministry of energy, on our government, so that at least such an energy market model would be provided that would allow the campaign to cover

its costs, otherwise the recovery process infrastructure, it will be delayed, it will be complicated, and without this, without electricity and the recovery of the economy, i think it is impossible, volodymyr, i agree with you . this is not expected, the president and the prime minister clearly told us that by march 31, in accordance with the initiative of president zelensky , the government issued a resolution stating that no prices and tariffs will increase and this is very correct because people today do not have the money to pay the increased we cannot pay as much as in the tariff, unfortunately, the tariffs are like in europe, but uh, it means that as far as the

commercial sector is concerned, on today, the commercial sector in ukraine pays three to four times less for electricity there than in european countries, and i understood that he therefore needs to find a balance of interests in the tariff policy and achieve success together, that is, in order not to distortion of the market, distortion of prices and the energy industry could also work, at least not at a loss. thank you , mr. volodymyr. well, so to speak, the ordinary consumers of electricity breathed their last, instead, entrepreneurs strained, so to speak. volodymyr omelchenko, director of energy programs of the razumkov center, worked in our marathon, the

best ukrainian experts speak and analyze the most important things. well, ukrainian soldiers are fired ukrainian from the ground and the following, in fact, after them , in this occupied territory, volunteers and e.e. humanitarian missions, which aim to provide everything necessary for the civilian population that survived the occupation, provide the first aid, contact us oleksandr lavrenyuk, volunteer of the red cross of ukraine, oleksandr we congratulate you glory to ukraine rapid response units of the red cross of ukraine regularly participate in evacuations from de-occupied territories and also deliver humanitarian cargo tell me any please, about your last missions, which settlements did you manage to visit and most importantly, what did you see there, please, the last place is today, just recently, we returned from evacuation,

we had an evacuation based on an application to limansk otg, we evacuated people from the territory with the occupied territory of luhansk otg, still scars from the estuary itself and a lot of different territories from which we are evacuating many villages - this is also zarichne, which is located almost there on the demarcation line with bakhmut, we are evacuating well . we have been working since april 18, our mission is fully operational in the east, the de-occupied territories, the need to evacuate people from there seemed to be the most terrible thing. already behind, people survived the occupation, but they still need to leave their homes, or are they going to do it? e requests are pouring in from 10

people to six to eight people, it happens that you find people somewhere, when you start humanitarian aid, you communicate with people, leave them your contact numbers or give the contact numbers directly to the military-civilian administration, and they already they submit a request for evacuation, so we need to evacuate from here, the threat has not disappeared anywhere, and ours has not ended, and uh, the situation in which people found themselves, in what conditions do they now live, uh, those who live in private houses, can they somehow provide for themselves there? with firewood and some kind of fuel, humanitarian aid is also provided to them, a lot of different organizations bring humanitarian aid, but at the moment it works only in slovyansk, kramatorsk

and so on. in more peaceful settlements, some medical care and the people who stayed there for almost 7 months yes or 8 in the occupation before they came to them after they were released they did not receive proper medical examination and medical care yes, mr. oleksandr, we understand the conditions in which the people who need to be evacuated live but the key thing the question is also the condition of those premises and those shelters to which people are planned to be evacuated later, does someone carry out the appropriate control and in general what is the situation with the provision of housing for people who agree to be evacuated, and andriy is two directions in which we cooperate with the administration, we take people to sloviansk or kramatorsk, and then they are registered. there are state programs that already provide. if it is not some kind of

urgent evacuation, yes, or medical if necessary , uh, and people evacuate people to safer places and they already provide them with shelter and provide housing and assistance. there is another program in which doctors without borders participates. it is an organization of the international monetary fund. they work together with the ministry of health. medical assistance or some kind of shelter, for example , geriatric boarding houses, because there are some sanatorium conditions , and they already accept those people from us. to a greater extent, how do we understand everything on such semi-conducting initiatives on the kindness of ukrainians who open their doors

to virtually strangers trying to somehow make their lives easier? i understand that we cannot to say that this work is carried out systematically by state bodies and their representatives on the ground, no , this work is carried out systematically, and the state, for its part, makes programs according to which these people are evacuated, they are already evacuated . and finally, mr. oleksandr, we understand that a large part of the people is perhaps insignificant, but still there will be quite a few of them, they stay at their own peril and risk. well, the issue of providing them with the most necessary first perhaps now it is not only about food or medicine, but also about firewood. what is the situation

with providing people with firewood, and look at providing people with firewood and fuel materials, communities are just as fruitfully engaged in this, because after the territories were de- occupied, they make a description of this from the fact that we we saw from what we know, but what we talked about is that there is an order for which it is understood at the state level and the state will provide as much fuel as it can , and there is also a conversation not only about fuel materials, but also about some roofing materials, engineering, which must also be provided to communities, cities and towns so that there is not only something to warm up, but where to warm up. thank you , oleksandr, for your difficult work, and, of course, for being included in our live broadcast . khrystyna, in a few moments

we will talk with a military expert from defense express, in particular, about ramstein, which is happening right now and where it will be decided, what kind of weapons we will receive from our partners in the near future. related let's say informational reasons mr. oleg, we congratulate you glory to ukraine oleg kotkovo was seen just now, they even saw that he was saying something, but the sound as such has not yet reached us, we hope that everything is in the cups now, oleg is in touch with us, we congratulate you, we hope to hear thank you for the invitation, what’s up, oleg, just now there is a meeting of the ministers in the rammstein format, it is about providing us with another help, but the minister of defense, oleksiy reznikov, noted that we should not expect anything extraordinary from this already seventh meeting. it will be like this. well, the regular system

aid that is already familiar to us will most likely be about a large package from the united states that was announced to us a little earlier. it is really about powerful financial opportunities. my question now will not be about finances, but about what is left on in the warehouses of our partners, because it is one thing to have money, another thing to have something to buy with it. i don’t have the money. the fact is that weapons have long been worth a fraction of the cost in the world. they cost time to complete, for example, as with complex zenit missiles, agricultural complexes . several years, that is, it is not about

not transmitting armed questions, it is actually about which armed ones they can transmit online to take a fresh statement from toltenberg at the end of the rope. he said that the top priority is the anti-aircraft missile complex, this is strengthening against the air defense of ukraine, and well, we all understand how important it is here, without comments in principle and in my opinion it is already possible to make certain such vectors which the first one has already emerged - this is the transfer of the min-23 complexes, in which in many countries, including the usa, these complexes, which were decommissioned at the level of the 90s, have undergone modernization, and in fact, they can really strengthen here as well the question is that they are in storage, for example, in some countries, still on combat duty and can be transferred in a relatively realistic time frame, similar to

the aspid anti-aircraft missile systems that can be transferred, and also in the last package from the usa there was, in my opinion, such a test on the desk as while their real effectiveness will be assessed, these are anti-aircraft missile complexes avenger, which were also transferred in the amount of four units so far, and if their real activity was proven, that is, weapons are always tested not it is driven immediately there, i am units conditionally. and my large batch is evaluated, well, combat use, how it happens, and then a decision is usually made that let’s increase it or, well, it remains as it is . precisely about the strengthening of anti-aircraft defense, at the same time regarding long-range means of destruction, well, i hit it, it remains to be hoped, again, dear mr. editor, well, accordingly, i wanted your expert comment on the situation after russian missiles hit the territory of poland. well, we

watched the speech of the secretary general to agent stauntonaber, we regularly monitor the development of this situation. well, we see that the euro-atlantic community, so to speak, has not yet named a clear person responsible. we understand that there are voices that are trying to include us in this matter , in particular, it is about the fact that it is possible that the missile could have been ukrainian, this caused the appropriate reaction from our national security and defense council, and the secretary, mr. danilov, demands the admission of our experts, so we understand that extremely serious cases will not be dealt with by children, because it is about the possible application by the euro-atlantic community of the fifth article, which would raise the level of escalation to the highest possible level but on the

other hand, we wanted so much to achieve the truth. well, we doubt that the trajectory of the missile that would be launched by ours, for example, in order to shoot down a russian missile here. i know about the s-300. well, it is unlikely that such a trajectory would be such that it would turn into the territory of poland. well, khrystyna and i have a problem with her. i don’t , but that’s what you understand by rocket sofa analysts . well, explain to us how they are with their trajectories. well, it’s just possible to mention and quote the president of poland, dudu, who said that it was my fault in general. to some extent, i may simply have misunderstood the polish language. poland on the territory of ukraine and because of the fact that it would come down in the body from the west, that is, for well, for well, from an

angle that is unexpected for our defenders , uh, hmm, this is again the statement of the president of poland, that is, in relation to whose rocket this is, that is, now. it is possible to carry out there well, the first conclusions in view of the statements both from the united states of america and from poland and directly from the messenger of the rope that there are grounds for the establishment of the fifth amendment and even the amendment of the fifth point of nato regarding collective security and even the fourth point regarding in general, consultations on this matter well, they do not see an important aspect here in the fact that let's put it this way, if we are talking about the fact that nato is based on the fifth amendment, the fifth paragraph of the treaty against the russian federation, then we are talking about the third world war, and here it is necessary to take into account that what to start this mechanism considering that all decisions in nato are made collegially by all members, it will be

quite difficult, in my opinion, here the question is also that this is a democratic structure and all decisions are made in this way, there are several countries in this structure who can forget the common opinion of many members of the alliance. there is one more question about this . excuse me, but i am quoting ibanecha simonyan , margarita simonyan, actually. nato is so poorly protected that it can accidentally be added in the original language of the post by anyone and anything, and all nato countries will not even know who hit what and why, in fact, on the eve of what awaits us. to hope that they have this along the entire perimeter well, it seems to me a logical question, what about anti-

air missile defense in the north atlantic alliance when a war of such a scale has been going on for the 9th month and in the east of the borders of the alliances, it is obvious that not everything is ok with defense from the sky well , here is an important aspect that is we are talking about the fact that any anti-aircraft defense will not protect any field, i.e. the fact is that the attack took place in ground zero, i.e. a deserted area , and in any case it is a tragedy, but it concerns only two people who were there the attack was not aimed at warsaw, to put it intelligently. yes, this is an attack that we don’t like in other cities of poland. well, the rocket fell into the field. mind you, regarding the defense there, it was already immediately reported that they didn’t have time to intercept the rocket there because it lasted for a few seconds there, but that that the championship is well aware of whether i am this rocket in my opinion, well, the answer

is absolutely yes, they knew immediately the fact is that precisely in the lublin area, they are constantly hanging in the mode 24/7, just for the sake of understanding, there are three avaks planes that have a viewing range at a distance there, well at least 500 km, and according to indirect data , taking into account the report of canadian journalists directly from aboard this plane at a range of up to 800 km, and they perfectly saw all the trajectories of all the missiles that flew , including with the russian federation, and in principle they saw everything and had the full situation right from the scene of events and well, for the sake of understanding, even at 3:30 p.m. 3:40 p.m., that is, at the time of the approximate attack on the territory of poland, at a distance of hundreds of kilometers , or rather for aviation, at a relatively small distance , there were actually three air tankers at once uh, in the usa, and this speaks of the huge activity

of aviation, including fighter aircraft, including the same avacs that were in the sky of poland at this very moment, that is, it seems to me that he knows too precisely what he is flying and assesses all the risks at the same time merkapu has already announced that, in addition to the transfer, this will be the top priority of the transfer of anti-aircraft weapons to ukraine for the defense of additional anti-aircraft weapons for the defense of the eastern flank of nato, and president duda called on his citizens not to be surprised by the huge activity polish aviation, as well as the appearance of american aircraft in the new poland. well, we would like to attract nato aviation, so to speak, in order to reduce the number of russian missiles on our territory. in kyiv, he was preceded by a visit to the relevant berets and to

turkey, where he met with the head of the russian foreign intelligence service in ryzhkin. so, mr. editors, what do you think the cia chief could bring what are the negotiable or non-negotiable points, well , he warned the cream, he says, not to use nuclear weapons. yes, i think the kremlin is aware that everyone is ready, so to speak, to respond in one way or another. well, it seems to me that we are just talking about diplomatic ones, let's say conditionally diplomatic relations and at the level of such respectable persons to whose words one hundred percent well, it is listened to and well , again here it is necessary to mention that the country's intelligence here, in particular, the united states, is extremely actively cooperating with the developments of ukraine, the transmission is going on well as i understand it, again, there are quite large volumes of information about the russian federation, and in particular, well, let's say, in ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine

captured quite a large number of countries, interesting samples of the russian federation's weapons, perhaps documentation, perhaps something else, which can also be extremely important for the central intelligence administration of the united states of america, that is, such a process and ideas. we must understand what certain trophies that just pass there in the information field a-a m-m well, everything is actually extremely important things that allow er, to find, let’s say, the elements of countermeasures with the newest analogue-based calculation of the russian federation and for these tricks, there is always a huge hunt for all soldiers in all conflicts, and mr. oleg, in the end, it remains literally a few moments. i would still like to outline the situation in the east of our country, because so far we are following the progress of the de-occupation in the south, we understand that all this is very expensive. the enemy is trying to capture and protest our defenses in the area

of ​​bakhmut and avdiyivka. how do you see the development of events? there well, you tried to press exactly there, plus if the question is related mainly to maryinka, that is, from this area of ​​vugledar, and here it is an important aspect in that, well, it is necessary to understand that the enemy, in one form or another, withdrew a certain part of his forces from the kherson equipment and now, after their restoration, that is, the transformation of these er, well, the remnants of the forces into a combat-ready unit, that is, the transfer, the conduct of the review of combat readiness , the return there, the conduct of combat coordination there , in other measures, they can be sent to other sections of the front, and in this case, again, the main resource is this time, which the enemy will need in order to, well, descend from the force again into battle, and they must understand that this is not. airborne units

based on the design of the army and the design of assault brigades , that is, those that belong to the fish of the so-called elite units, well, thank you, mr. editor oleg katkov de fensex express well, catch up with important information germany will offer its military planes to help patrol the airspace of poland, unfortunately not ukraine well, but the mission can start even tomorrow , november 17, was added to the german ministry of defense it was oleg katkov, the editor-in-chief of defense express thank you for this, as always, a professional inclusion now time of news on the espresso tv channel and on our anna will appear on the screens