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will nato react to this whole story? on the internet, don't forget to subscribe, like, the more your reactions, the more people will know about us. well, let's talk about what kind of reaction to expect from nato, because the fragments of the rocket wouldn't have fallen on the territory by now of ukraine of the alliance, how can this incident affect the support of ukraine from western partners and allies well, what mood prevails in poland itself, whose citizens have directly felt the consequences of russian aggression well, let's start with poland itself, what is currently happening there, as the fall of missile fragments, polish politicians comment polish media is joined by myroslava gongadze, head of the eastern european bureau of the voice of america myroslava good evening, i want to ask what headlines came out today polish media in the context of how generally poland is concerned or maybe even frightened by this situation. what politicians,
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media, society write about it. the biggest list was actually yesterday when these missiles fell and the main headlines were polish russian missiles fell on poland, the missiles reached poland, that is, the main main e- so to speak, the message is like this and in fact yesterday . we know that the national security council, the governing bodies of poland, met very urgently, and they actually sat until around 11 o'clock, after that they left their spokesman to report what actually happened and the final results of the final dates of the data, they were unable to express their suspicion that it was a russian missile after all. well, as we know today from statements in other all this was a ukrainian missile that shot down a russian missile. well, of course, there is only one polish politician today, except for, so to
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speak, the recognition of the fact of this crime and the fear of what is actually a war. well, you didn't know that they are so close, the war is close. but it would be so it's already so hot to say, such a vivid example, especially since two people, er, two poles died, and the war is practically moving into their territory, i talked to several polish journalists, and they say that well, er, you understand that we and we are already at war, we are already trying to help ukraine , accepting as much as possible, providing military aid, we understand that poland understands that we are at war, so this is what they will come to us. is there any fundamental difference for polish society after all whose missile was it um russian or ukrainian because well, we can already see what the kremlin’s
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narratives sound like about the kremlin that they say it’s not us, it’s ukraine. by the way, i just watched donald trump’s son write an essay about what they say we do. you see, a ukrainian missile can help ukrainians quite a bit . i am talking about the fact that now these narratives will be shaken and they will spread, whether it affects polish society, well, it is still difficult to say how much it affects, we will see, because in fact there is not yet all the data on the investigation, so it everything, marquis, you know the fog of war at this stage, but in general, the statements that have already been made by international politicians, in particular, from stoltenberg, even from macron, from the german chancellor, everyone is talking about the fact that they do not blame ukraine, of course , they say that it is clear that ukraine is defending itself as best as it can and what is the gender system that the united states provided and is going to provide even more european countries, they are
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now working and if there was no war then no and no there would have been russian aggression, because these incidents would not have happened. at this stage, no one blames ukraine for this. well, in this incident , the thesis that poland is already at war, but in reality poland is preparing for war with russia and there are ready for the fact that the war can really spill over into their territory, in fact, for months and months we have been seeing the statements of polish politicians, who sometimes call for them to provide them with the latest and newest weapons, then they call for nuclear weapons, and then they strengthen their borders a lot, they strengthen their their fighting capacity, in particular, on the borders with ukraine, they are one of the main lobbyists for more military aid to ukraine in europe , poland is very well aware of what it is
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dealing with, and they are actually very afraid that this war may spill over into their territory. thank you very much for this comment myroslava gongadze, the head of the eastern european bureau of the voice of america from poland, joined us live. this will lead to and what might be the reaction of the reaction of the nato countries. by the way, i wanted to stop here that as a result of yesterday's missile strikes, three objects of energy infrastructure in the lviv region were damaged. i will say it now. it seems that without electricity - yes, there are about seven hundred without electricity thousands of subscribers in the lviv region and here, in particular, in the village of solonka, which is not far from lviv, we will now show a passerby was seriously injured, according to the mayor of lviv andriy sadovoy, a man was operated on in
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solonka, rocket fragments destroyed the roofs of three residential buildings, and now electricity and water supply in lviv region have been fully restored . our journalists were informed about this in the lviv regional council. well, during these days, utility workers of the energy industry continue to work in lviv, and it was also reported that the targets of rocket attacks in the lviv region were critical infrastructure objects, according to andrii sadovoy the mayor of lviv, one substation was also destroyed, it was key. well, we return to the actual events in poland. andriy deshchytsia joins our broadcast ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to poland and so they tell me that miss deshchytsa is not yet in touch with us by the minute. she should appear . okay, then first. let us remind you what happened in poland in general and remind you of the chronology of events. tuesday 15:40 local time, during a
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massive russian attack on ukrainian cities , an explosion rang out in the polish village of przewodow, 5 km from the border with ukraine, local media published photos of missile debris on the farm and reported two dead people, later the information was confirmed the polish authorities i saw a pile of smoke and heard an explosion and all the windows were shaking i called my colleagues at first i really thought that the stove had exploded and then it turned out that they had been hit by a rocket i turned pale in the face i was told that those people were dead it could have been me it could have been me okna i ran to the window because the explosion was quite close to 100 m i saw this terrible black cloud and a pillar of smoke and if i remember correctly i saw fire the one who died he was a wonderful person when we found out that we knew both of them one of them was my age is the second little jr. immediately after the explosion, poland sent
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a military general to investigate the causes of the incident, and the prime minister of poland mateuszmurowiecki urgently convened the committee of the council of ministers on national security. missiles, terror is not limited to our missile strikes on poland on the territory of our friendly country. how many times has ukraine spoken about the fact that our country is a state the terrorist is not limited to poland, the baltic states - it's a matter of time. when terror in russia has moved on. we must put the terrorist in his place. the longer russia feels impunity, the more threats there will be to everyone who can be reached by russian missiles. the ministry of defense of russia stated that they did not fire near the border and ukraine was accused only on the
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territory of ukraine. i am at a distance of no more than 35 km from the ukrainian-polish border. published on the evening of november 15 in poland. identified by russian specialists of the defense-industrial complex as elements of an anti-aircraft guided missile complex s300 beer of the air force of ukraine already the day after the incident, poland confirmed the main version of the experts at the scene that it was a missile from the ukrainian system of anti-aircraft missiles, a russian missile launcher, during the russian massive missile attack , maneuvering missiles were used which flew in different directions, probably some of them flew in the area of the territory of poland and then turned around to fly to the east, so the ukrainian air defense fired missiles in different directions, and there is a high probability that, unfortunately, one of these missiles fell on the territory of poland, the version about a deliberate
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russian missile attack on poland was rejected by us president joe biden, while passing on american data to nato partners, the head of the alliance and janstoutenberg stated that even if it was ukrainian missile, the responsibility still lies with russia, we have no indication that this was the result of a deliberate attack and we have no indication that russia is preparing offensive military actions against nato, our preliminary analysis suggests that the incident is likely was caused by a ukrainian air defense missile launched to protect the territory of ukraine from attacks by russian cruise missiles, but let me be clear, this is not the fault of ukraine, russia is ultimately responsible because it continues its illegal war against ukraine, at the same time, the nsdc of ukraine said that ukrainian military personnel should be urgently allowed to the site of the attack oleksiy
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danilov said in ukraine there is evidence of a russian trace in this incident yulia kryuchkova radio svoboda well and continuing the statement of the president of poland after all, idu da said that the explosions the previous evening in the east of his country were an accident and that warsaw does not consider the incident with the missile to be an attack on his country, nevertheless, what conclusions will be drawn from all this in poland and that the main thing is that in nato , in general, we will talk about this further. andriy deshchytsia, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to poland, joins the broadcast at 2:22 p.m. good evening. good evening. yes, i have already announced to you once today, sir. what effect, from your point of view, will the fall of these missile fragments have in poland? how much will there be ? were ready or not ready for the fact that it might happen sooner or later in poland was preparing for the fact
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that russia might still attack poland also if of course ukraine does not hold back and these preparations were already in place from the beginning of russia's large-scale aggression against our country, but still after all, there were hopes that russia would not be able to do this now . when it became known that this is a possible development scenario, of course, first of all, for sure, and what poland is already doing now will be strengthening the anti-border defense system of poland. i think that consultations of poland with its nato partners will also be held and they are also taking place, and of course i think that appropriate measures will be taken so that this anti-terrorist defense system is reliable not only for the territory of poland but
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also for the territory of ukraine. the missile accidentally flew by and killed two people, or was russia purposefully launched into the missile, for example, and it killed two people, because now, again, a lot of information is spreading. i will repeat myself about of kremlin narratives, including to blame ukraine for this, hmm, what kind of consensus will there be in polish society on this matter, well , look, first of all, i think that in poland they perfectly understand that this is all that happened and this is all that is happening is the result of military russia's aggression against ukraine, first of all, and of course, russia is responsible for what is happening in ukraine and for the crimes it committed in ukraine, and for the possibility of two victims already, but possible victims
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or ruins on the territory of poland. i think that polish society understands that russia is an aggressor, the poles know this well from their historical past and they are ready to resist this aggression and are ready to help us, and i hope that such support and such solidarity will continue in the future , as they have helped us so far. well, what is your reaction at the moment, you are waiting for nato. i expect that nato will be much more specific in terms of providing anti-aircraft defense systems to ukraine, because what happened yesterday in poland confirms yet another statement, what are these warnings that have been repeatedly expressed by the leadership of ukraine about the fact that russia will not
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stop at ukraine and this is the president of ukraine about this the minister of foreign affairs and the minister of defense - these are all aware that russia has far-reaching plans , but nato, which should be interested in the protection of countries - its members should also not be interested in protecting this territory from which russian missiles can potentially fly through the territory of ukraine. therefore, these anti-terrorist defense systems should be at the bottom provided in ukraine as soon as possible. if we turn to nato's doctrine of the fifth article yesterday, by the way, many of your colleagues talked about what this is a test. the test will be for nato whether they apply the fifth article or not. but nevertheless, how fundamentally for nato flies a missile purposefully and hits the territory of the alliance or does it
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get there by accident because the war is very close, in which of those cases can the fifth article be applied or not , please tell me, well, first of all, this it depends on nato itself which one they will interpret or interpret it. i personally believe that any threat to a nato member country, whether it is consciously or unconsciously but caused by the aggression of a neighboring country. this refers to russia, so it must find an appropriate, adequate and sharp response, and with this response should be, of course, depending on the level of danger, there may also be the involvement of nato member countries in military operations against
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russia, as i have already said, and the provision of anti-aircraft defense systems in order to protect its territory, but nato, in addition, should be involved, should clearly send a signal to give a signal to russia that they will not tolerate such actions on the part of russia, which are directed not only against ukraine, but these actions, which are directed against security in the region from your point of view separately today there i think that because of the weak signal from nato there was uh at the moment and the decisions that were made were too slow they should be in wartime much decisions should be made much faster it should have been a statement that they
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provide systems of involuntary defense in ukraine and poland or strengthen poland because they are there and provide ukraine, but this did not happen. maybe it will still be possible. nato knows this, i hope that it is a pity that if these negative arguments actually become useful to convince the member countries nato and nato as a whole to respond much more effectively and constructively, thank you very much for your comment andriy deshchytsia, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to poland 2014-22 was on radio svoboda, thanks provided by the united states of america self-defense air defense systems demonstrated 100% effectiveness in intercepting russian missiles during yesterday's
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missile attacks by the russian federation on ukraine. this statement was made by the head of the pentagon, lloyd austin, at the beginning of the meeting of the contact group on ukraine in the rammstein format. he also assured that the united states will support ukraine throughout winter, so that ukraine could, including, quote, intercept the initiative on the battlefield as an example of how important our donations are, our air defense systems on sams already working in ukraine yesterday they demonstrated 100% success in intercepting russian missiles during the brutal bombing of the kremlin, including yesterday's attacks, and while russia continues its merciless bombing of civilians and energy infrastructure, states of good will continue to support ukraine, russia's brutality only strengthens our resistance. how did the world react to the fall of a missile or missile fragments
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on the territory of a nato country, the reactions of western and not only western politicians were gathered by the international the editor of radio svoboda, rostyslav khotyn, is joining our broadcast, rostislav. good evening to you. the first hours after an unknown missile flew into poland and killed two polish farmers were quite tense . there were even notes of nato, are we not witnessing the real beginning of the third world war? of communism in the east of europe and then first american intelligence sources with nitrogen and us president joe biden made it clear that it was not a russian missile nato secretary general and jens stoltenberg said that the investigation is still ongoing but it
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was not aimed at russia's attack on nato member poland jens stotenberg in our country there are no indications that this was the result of a targeted attack. we have no indications that russia is planning offensive military actions against nato. our preliminary analysis indicates that the incident was probably caused by a ukrainian missile . of air defense launched to protect the ukrainian territory against russian cruise missiles, but i want to clearly say that it is not ukraine's fault, russia bears general responsibility because it continues its illegal war against ukraine, as the polish president of england luda said, apparently a missile from the soviet s-300 complex flew into the territory of poland such productions are in service with the ukrainian air defense forces . meanwhile, ukraine insists on an investigation and is ready to help experts and currently does not recognize that
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it was her missile because it is possible that the missile was not russian after all, although at first they thought about the kreator x101 type missile and it was not a deliberate, targeted attack by russia on nato. the alliance will not use the fourth article of the nato charter, which provides for consultations in the event of a threat to a nato member. about the threat to political independence, territorial integrity and security, this is exactly what the fourth article with consultations provides, if it really was a russian missile, then the activation of the fourth article could also be the activation of the fifth article and this is the sacred cow of the alliance, an attack on one is an attack on all. there should be a direct conflict between nato and russia. it should be noted that literally from the first minutes when the incident occurred near the village of przewodow in poland, warsaw received a manifestation of solidarity with nine statements by the president, the prime minister and the minister of foreign affairs of defense the
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poles of the baltic states express their support and solidarity. the czech republic, denmark, and slovakia immediately responded to the statement. of blows by russia to the president of the european commission, she sent a fund of weeds to condone an explosion in poland near the border we express our full support for poland and the soft leadership continues, we are in close contact with our partners regarding the next steps and we will support ukraine as much as necessary in moscow, the ministry of defense there yesterday in the evening it was announced that russian weapons were not used against poland, and today kremlin spokesman dmytro piskov did not miss the chance to accuse poland of russophobia, which moscow does regularly and without that, dmitry piskov, russia has nothing to do with it, we have witnessed
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another hysterical, naked russian-lobby reaction, which was not based on any real data, it must be said that after the information that it could have been a ukrainian missile, some leaders declared that it still lies with russia after all, it was her missiles that hit ukraine with dozens of missiles, and ukraine had to protect its people and the infrastructure of its cities, and the prime minister of the netherlands and the leaders of britain, richelle sonak, and germany, olafshols, said this the new prime minister of italy, giorgia meloni, said that the information about the ukrainian missile does not change much, it is still about russia, which attacked ukraine and regularly bombards it only on november 15, more than 90 russian missiles were fired over ukraine and they aimed at ukrainian regions of a wide geographical area, including with the border region of
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lviv that now nato will obviously strengthen anti-missile and anti-aircraft measures, the protection of nato's eastern flank, germany has already announced that it will patrol polish airspace more actively the secretary general of nato with a topless statement said that the priority now is the top priority to provide even more air defense systems to ukraine, and vilnius as a place for the next nato summit in july 23 will also emphasize which countries, primarily the baltic states and poland, feel uncomfortable because of russia's aggressiveness, the president of lithuania, children we can't rule out that if russia continues to act as it is now, incidents like the one that just happened in poland will happen again, i don't want to scare you, it's a threat from provoked by russia, what should we respond to in order to
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guarantee the safety of our people there? and it borders with romania, it was in the ivano-frankivsk region and transcarpathia - these regions are also border regions and border with nato member countries slovakia, hungary and romania in general, the war in ukraine after the polish the incident has the potential to spread beyond the borders of ukraine. recently, fragments of a russian missile fell on moldova. on the same day when the incident occurred in poland, moldova was without electricity. the power line that supplies electricity from romania through ukraine to moldova was damaged, so there is a danger of spreading the conflict to neighboring countries. and to the wider region, thank you, rostyslav khotin, correspondent, international editor,
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more precisely, radio svoboda, who collected international reactions. thank you, rostyslav, i will only add one more this is already the reaction of the german chancellor olaf scholz regarding the fall of the rocket on the territory of poland , this would not have happened - he says, if it were not for russia's aggressive war, listen to the president, you know that the president of the united states offered to help poland directly in the examination of the wreckage of the missile defenses, and this is also a positive sign, the important thing is that we all understood at the same time and made it clear that none of this would have happened if it were not for russia's war against ukraine without those missiles that are currently intensively shelling ukrainian infrastructure and it is important make it clear that nevertheless you must remain objective and we firmly agreed with this well, in the meantime, the g20 itself is coming to an end at a ball in indonesia, just the final stage of the summit was adjusted in connection with the explosions on the border with poland and the missile attack of ukraine group
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of 20 - when the final communiqué of the meetings was adopted, the joint declaration states that most of them condemned the war in ukraine from indonesia . and explosions on the border with poland forced american president joe biden to gather the leaders of the g7 and participating countries at a time when the world leaders here at the ball seek to achieve progress for a lasting peace. putin strikes civilian targets and children and women i mean what he is doing this is barbaric and russia can and should stop the war they can stop it tomorrow if they want joe biden also promised the president in poland andrzej duda support and help in the investigation of the explosions on the polish-ukrainian border with sharp criticism after the massive attacks in ukraine, immediately after the end of the first day of the siege, the british prime minister rishinak also spoke. in his opinion, the kremlin
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, talking about peace negotiations, cancels out these efforts by shelling ukrainian cities, and while global issues of the route of stability were being resolved at the ball , putin is attacking civilians in ukraine with rockets for no reason, we have to be frank, these pussies would not have happened if putin had not unleashed a brutal war after a long dispute as to exactly how and in what format to make the final decision, the leaders of the group of 20 countries decided to adopt a declaration in one most of the leaders condemned the russian aggression against ukraine, it specifically mentions the resolution of the un general assembly calling on russia to withdraw troops from the internationally recognized territory of ukraine, the disputes were, in particular, over the russian delegation led by foreign minister sergei lavrov, who left the island of bali early yesterday, the kremlin refused to adopt a general communique, which is a presumption
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