this ugar in which they are, they will continue to have it and that it is a mystical ugar, and they refuse logirshism, as you say , the book actually provides for the genocide of the ukrainian people, so uh, as we see from the point of view of those applications from half of our partners, they take a position ukraine and the position of the president, respectively, regarding potential negotiations with brad. i want to clarify to vladislav, but when we talk about this break or respite for the russian army, in terms of time, how many weeks and months do they need in order to prepare in this way because various experts said that it may even take years, about 5 years may be needed by the russian federation in order to accumulate strength to take into account the mistakes and strike ukraine again, well, obviously if we are talking about the fact that the russian federation the army has recovered to the state of february 24 of this year. of course, it takes at least 5 years. but in order for the russian

army of occupation to put in order the same bullies who were called up as part of the partial mobilization carried out combat coordination with them, respectively , provided it with everything necessary in order to continue throwing a whirlwind of hostilities into the whirlwind, then i think russia will be enough two to three months ago, and it is important now to continue the ukrainian defense with the same counteroffensive while russia does not have the appropriate forces and resources to to restrain our counteroffensive, the ukrainian army should move forward, and here a very important one begins to work with regard to ukrainian diplomacy, which addresses the demands of the ukrainian crow forces to our partner countries regarding the supply, accordingly, of weapons and ammunition so that we can effectively advance, the president of ukraine said today that the decapitation of kherson is a turning point in this war and we really believe that it is so and so it will be, and with this in mind, i want to ask you mr. igor the question for you

is, first of all, does our enemy understand this? and how did it affect their morale? what do their propagandists say? separately, we can go like this for 3-4 days, when they were going to capture kyiv, but now it is very serious, some kind of why? because putin was challenged by such wrong decisions. one of the most critical decisions for him was the introduction of temporarily occupied territories into the russian federation after february 24, which at that time he potentially could not contain, could not contain, and these are the territories in which the ukrainians are located, who do not accept the russians , are accepted by the russian authorities, everyone understood this perfectly, but he needed he was chosen to take some steps, the worst possible step because now, from their point of view,

this is not just the territory of ukraine, which they entered there for some tactical strategic respondents of the exchange of strengthening the negotiations. and this is actually part of russia and this is where the problem begins we already see relevant statements from russian nationalists who in fact very directly blame putin himself, saying either to the highest authority, you will do it, or you will have time to live under something, respectively, as it is not possible to read it there are statements that are more radical, even wonderful, of such a physical potential vote. well, and so on, because they are considered absolutely unacceptable things, so uh, and well, what is the problem here, that russia has partially fallen into its propaganda, even partially, you are not serious. because those the steps they take means that they are losing touch with reality , and this leads to such decisions that they are now making, but they are conscious because there are

conventionally rational people. yes, there are various elitist ones out there groups that want to continue to live in harmony, to live as much as possible and want to be involved in the decision-making process or in the distribution of the pie, which is currently shrinking, are narrowing accordingly and in russia, so i really agree with president zelensky, this is a turning point, why because kherson was the only regional center which happened to capture the russians, now they have lost and this is a great precedent for how they will continue to lose territory in particular and donetsk, respectively, luhansk e.e. and, accordingly, crimea crimea is already more like that sacred thing, because this is precisely this, er, new round of putin's internalism, it was based in many ways on the issue of crimea. they consider its return in accordance with the composition of the russian federation, therefore, and i think they thought a lot about it. the problem there is that they to target the various vigils of the kremlin, they compete very much

with each other and so far none of them has strengthened so much that it could play its own game separately and dominate accordingly. but it is possible to create certain situational coalitions there and here they can to play with putin himself and not only putin can play with these towers of the kremlin that mr. vladislava is used to. and speaking from a military point of view, how did these latest news on the front line affect the morale of the enemy troops and their attitude towards the commanders on their discipline, what we can say here is a number of factors, on the one hand, those russian servicemen make up officers who can be found directly in the battle formations, understand that the army of the russian federation is losing, on the other hand, this kind of army cheer-patriotism in body parts and units, in particular those located in the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea and sevastopol, while the e-e dominates and has certain

advantages over other attitudes, for example, the sevastopol partisans report that and local local soldiers believe that this is some kind of cunning move on the part of general tsarevikin regarding the withdrawal from the right bank of the dnieper, and in the lower reaches of the division , the russian army of the federation is about to accumulate , have the appropriate resources, and it will go into a large-scale counter-nozzle along the entire front line but we must understand that ahead of us all is the test of the general by frost and, accordingly, the insufficient provision of everything necessary for the russian beacons who participate in the so-called specialty will also affect their moral and psychological state, because the russian army canceled it, and god did not understand for what purpose they are in the territory of ukraine, they do not have a permanent , stable and effective supply. well, they often receive a significant slap from the ukrainian army, because we remember that more

than 90% of russian herbs are the result of effective works of the ukrainian artillery, therefore i think that the same protest mood and, accordingly, the decline in the moral and clinical spirit of the russian occupying forces will grow obviously and significantly, yes, and our attempts , even our way to bring peace closer, will be as successful as possible, let's talk about this in more detail in part we have already appealed to the president's words in a video address to the participants of the g20 themselves, he to her, president zelensky proposed the ukrainian formula for peace, a set of solutions that can be implemented to really guarantee ending the war, ukraine's peace proposals consist of 10 points, it is radiation food and energy security, the release of all prisoners , the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine, the withdrawal of russian troops, the return of justice, the fight against ecocide, the prevention of

escalation , and finally, the fixation of the end of the war. security, the second challenge is food security, the third is energy security, the fourth is the release of all prisoners and deportees the fifth implementation of the un charter and the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine and the world order the sixth presentation of the withdrawal of russian troops and the cessation of hostilities the seventh justice is what provokes perhaps the greatest emotions the eighth challenge is ecocide the need for immediate protection of nature the following ninth prevention of escalation 10 the point is that it is very important to record the end of the war. vladyslav, we understand that this is a club of the largest economies in the world, but also of the most powerful countries, because a developed economy makes it possible to develop its army. i am here

i would like to ask you, as a military expert, the russian federation previously used the rhetoric of forcing peace to justify its aggressive actions. and now this elite club can force the russian federation to make peace . i am too disappointed. those processes that are taking place within the framework of the russian-ukrainian war, i do not think that there will be a completely consolidated solution for the nazis perhaps more important within the framework of this summit are bilateral contacts, we saw a meeting between the president of the usa and, accordingly, the representative of the people's republic of china, we see communication at the level of representatives of other countries of the world, it is obvious that all conscious countries of the world and their leaders condemn russian aggression, do

putin and his politicians have certain sympathies, to a certain extent, there is zero, there are those who to some extent restrainedly perceive all statements, which are aimed at 100% condemnation of russian aggression in any case communication on such international platforms is extremely important, because putin still talks about the fact that he has a certain club of countries that support the foreign policy of the russian federation in every way. it is obvious that according to the results of mg20, what is happening in indonesia this time, putin will have no reason to declare that the leader of the countries of the world 100% support the aggressive policy of the russian federation, but if we talk about military superiority, yes, russia is weak, it is weak on the battlefield in ukraine, but it is trying at the same time, there were

hopes for china and india to increase in some way, military cooperation seems to be almost established, so joint production of military equipment will help, or is russia already so toxic that it will not work? of course , the corresponding changes in the perception of russian aggression in the world community have come it is precisely because of this that the ukrainian resistance , due to the successful actions of the ukrainian defense forces, is aimed at the destruction of the russian occupation forces, and as evidence of this, at least 80,000 corpses of the russian occupation army, who have already become the so -called good or good russians. of course, in this process we must be consistent and move towards our victory. here, the victory will be for the country that has the appropriate support of the countries that are part of the collective event, there is the support of the key countries that are part of to the composition of j-7, but it is

obvious that this process will not be too fast, because the russian federation also has a certain military potential, which it is ready to use, even without taking into account the fact that in some positions the russian hmm, the army has critical indicators regarding unused ammunition or missiles there, i think that in this context we should interfere with the fact that the situation is very dynamic and the decisions of certain countries of the world that are still hesitating in which way to support or not to support the russian federation again after all, a lot depends on the situation on the battlefield, of course, mr. vladyslav, thank you for your analysis. vladyslav seleznyov, a military expert, ex-spokesman of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine , was with us. well, we continue the conversation with igor petrenko, a political scientist mr. igor, today the president of ukraine very symbolically emphasized in his speech that this is g19, do we have reasons today to believe that russia ceases to be

a subject on the diplomatic er battlefield and no longer assumes an er important role there and in fact, the g20 can become the g19, just as the g8 became the g7, ah, well, definitely look here, this issue must be considered in the geopolitical context, in the geopolitical context of the russian federation, it has lost absolutely all the positions that were for it what are the gains that can be attributed accordingly well, don’t attribute them, yes, putin means, on the one hand, his most important political project. and perhaps even a larger number of countries, respectively. it does not work and , accordingly, did not work in the future. the russian federation considered countries such as china as a potential partner in opposing the measure. for example yes, but today the russian

federation is openly toxic here, and we can already see that there are differences in china’s vision of russia and the police regarding the use of nuclear weapons, you know that china has proposed to abandon it altogether, russia used it as a way to teach a map with a grenade is introduced with these nuclear weapons says then we will apply that here and so on, this is probably a split plus theoretically china considers them there russia as a potential partner for a military operation in taiwan today's armed forces several friends of ukraine destroyed the army of the world, they destroyed the myth of uh, let's say high quality and accuracy, according to russian means weapons that they exported and exported to, well, to other countries, respectively. that's why it's also well, it's absolutely not an option anymore. everyone understands that cooperation with russia - this is also a blow to prestige and it is also an opportunity to run into secondary corresponding sanctions, now this

issue is being actively worked out by the yarmak mcfall group in order for partners to be more strict in terms of celebrating compliance with those selection decisions that are already uh and ot look here you say yes about the g20 g19 what happened on the eve of eh or 20 eh the united states of america canada will impose new sanctions eh in particular against eh russia, that is, they actually show it in its place and the place of the russian federation is where they drew the letter z eh, yes, these are the toilets that they have, respectively , located near high-rise buildings in all other regions of the russian federation, that's the place in fact and that's why russia is really taxing it now why because it really has there the nuclear arsenal that it can use accordingly is an understanding of a huge territory

and, well, let's say that it is also unprofitable to build new destabilizing points, that is, there is already an agreed position, the first of which is that ukraine should win this war, but the second what is the origin of the fact that russia has to lose , but here are the modalities of the loss. the russian federation . what do we have to gain at the exit? what is the profound change in the regime? yes, when, for example, in general , all putins will eat there and there are conditional russian belt rules if the position. is this a change of putin himself to someone in his entourage as pleasant. there is no single approach here yet. well, but the fundamental things are of course already agreed upon. igor, stay

with us, of course, because let's talk about what actually happens in the occupied liberated territories and in which the armed forces of ukraine are recapturing, that is, up to 30% of people in the war zone may suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder, while in peacetime, approximately 7% of people in the ptsr have children, who are the first in the risk group, because they have less resistance to stress, because they they cannot protect themselves at the same time ptsd is not the only possible consequence if we talk about war injuries, the number of people who develop depression and anxiety disorders is also increasing, and here it is important to get help in time before our broadcast political psychologist oleg hamyak, mr. may, joins in. greetings. good afternoon. talking about the conditions we are all in now, all ukrainians are those who sympathize with ukrainians abroad. it means that they have native friends here, and on the one

hand, we see that everyone became more active in our race, this marathon continues, but on the other hand, for sure, at least everyone told me that when they learned about the liberation of kherson, even men cried, yes, even in the capital, they are big and bearded. and what happens to those people who saw them again ukrainian flags and again felt that ukraine has returned well, this is stressful positive stress stress - this is the tension that was suppressed, suppressed sharply человека everything has leveled off and everything has become good, well, just after this, the consequences of the suppression that was before this

can be washed away. месяцев, that is, we have been living here for 9 months in such conditions and we are seeing the consequences. yes, that is, uh, well, who is a peaceful resident, for example, in kiev, which is not bombed and nine months under occupation , that is, a resident of kyiv, probably not even very much, not that not very much, in principle, you don’t imagine what it is like when you live and you don’t have any. well, you don’t know what will happen. you don’t know your prospects. you need to either define yourself and admit that you live like this now or in some other way. or still endures waiting. what to wait for? you don't have any information there well, and so on , that's a really difficult situation. well , if we started talking about this psychological aspect, then we understand that post-traumatic stress disorder is not the worst thing . it's a matter of specialists in the

de-occupied territories that there will be panic attacks and depression and suicidal thoughts. in fact, how can we help these people today, what kind of psychological help do they need, in what form and volume? it should have been some kind of systemic work on the part of the state or if there were powerful public organizations that could provide it. there was also a trust phone in ukraine. yes, that is, how few people knew him, here i was, who needed to call and receive psychological support . the peculiarity is that he himself

on its own, it triggers further other consequences of psychosomatics there. well, these are not even psychological problems, i was talking about the fact that then there are somatic problems on the background of stress, and how could a person not connect them at all, does not correlate eh with the fact that this is the result of such a difficult experience ah and well, how would it turn out to be a burden even on medicine, as it is not even related to psychology. as for the support, it should have been some kind of program . there is also an association of psychologists. well, the official ukrainian associations of psychologists would be able to negotiate with them, it is clear that this is the financing of the fact that people already need something to live for, they could work, accept, that is, literally, answer calls, some groups could be, that is, in principle, that it would be possible to organize everything, it would be possible, well, uh, i think that we will just have a page. how would

we save the drowning belarusians, by the way , one of the options is television, there are youtube channels, television channels things that could be talked about through the channels . well, again, it should be advertised in some way so that people could get to it because a significant part of people do not suspect that they are in a state of severe stress, and we understand that there are moments when self-medication does not work in this case, but i would like, uh, you know what exactly unites ukrainians in kherson oblast, ukrainians in donetsk oblast who are waiting for release, kyivans, lvivians, zhytomyrians, that's what , well, in the capital, it's definitely better for a certain time without light, but without the russians, and we, too. when you were talking, we saw these happy faces, smiles , flowers, a meeting of the ukrainian armed forces. this is

what gives us all hope. i would like to talk a little here about the dark side of the moon, if we allow it. how did the russians themselves react to this? i think that many people could track what kind of comments they wrote, what happened to kherson. oleg, you are a political psychologist e p igor, although i would like to start this topic, this part from you and what political consequences can there be for society in russia and for the authorities, so about the kremlin towers, about the growth of prigozhin’s influence. i think that everyone has already heard somewhere, and maybe the russians themselves feel it, i don’t know but what's next, because this was the only great achievement after february 24 for the russians, who were proud of the slogan, russia is there forever, as they thought, and we see that it

lasted forever for less than nine months . cope with the struggle with reality. yes, how much do they struggle with reality? they try to create parallel aspects, although the influence of television is quite significant. yes, we do not have exactly sociology there. groups there, we can really see. well, this is such a serious blow and there are many critical statements and so on. of course, they have not yet sprouted any actions, mass actions, speeches, etc. well, that's why that the citizens of the russian federation have atrophied the function of civil society. they do not know what it is to make demands on the authorities and accordingly control and so on. this is a drastic difference, according to the ukrainians. that is why they are now more engaged in such kitchen and demagoguery somewhere uh, and probably reviewing that

one of the relatives can call somewhere there and, accordingly, submit there such a problem also exists accordingly, but from a political point of view - it is shaky , the regime is shaky, it is shaky confidence in that and is it really everything it will be fine, well, solovyova, you’ll have a look. well, it’s like there’s some kind of scab there, yes, there or there, to the families or some of these propagandists, but all the same, the reality is showing, uh, not everything can be closed and not all the relevant channels, although the farmers are trying, you will well, all the same, please allow less than five minutes. i apologize for being so busy. let 's give the floor to mr. oleg. and what happens in the heads when reality breaks through the wall of propaganda. everything breaks through them this is the same for russians, all of this is presented through russian television, this is what we see joy, and they hear it, the traitors we did not finish there.

they got out, and the real people there are suffering and experiencing. that is, you do not think that they see reality like this directly we see and everything will fit under a certain key, a key in love, and it will look very simple, this is the unfinished business of bandera, which we did not finish, they got out. we see for ourselves, they are more likely to worry that they did not succeed in killing the ukrainians, killing the bandera people, killing the nazis , that's the problem, that's what would have to be done, that is, this information leads to well, that's more of the situation of these russians who speak for everything, this company, for everything. it didn't work because it can be a waste well, you know, at the end of our program, during which we showed all the time these

joyful shots from kherson, i want to talk about summing up with the really positive thing that brought to us, the decapitation of kherson both politically and militarily, and, of course, psychologically, mr. igor , please have a word then, mr. oleg, well, not necessarily. the unimportance of the life of kherson, that there must be many different conditions of this and that, and we, apart from the fact that we took kherson, are we continuing to move deeper and deeper into hola prystan well, and so on, there are many can we call the inhabited points, therefore, this is an important signal that ukraine knows how to use the weapons of support that our partners give for success so that we do not stop and our key task, accordingly

, is the de-occupation of the entire territory. ukrainians are considered to be occupiers and where, in fact, they want to live accordingly, it is clear that in russia there is a distorted approach, but we are working more now, well, on ourselves, on the world and the world, respectively, this god sees that it will be inevitable that god will continue to support ukraine. well, we are moving towards victory. olezhe , what psychological and moral strength did this victory in the kherson region give us? well, it can be said in one word: victory is a victory and this is a liberation. remember this all against the background of what was said, they will fight for a long time, the street goddess, they are there , there will be an explosion there, there will be shooting, and so on, they escaped . олеглечение internal and faith faith, that is, faith is a fighting spirit - it is here and for the country, for the army there. well,

accordingly, the spirit is what determines the influence on others, on the international arena, and on those russians that they have, just the opposite. as for the spirit, it falls there, there was no such person, there was such an unhealthy spirit, that’s why i also talked about the fact that the liberation of kherson is such a key moment that it is very symbolic, and here putin also added firewood to the fire it is a sign of russian territory federations, that is, they turned out, er, they got into the situation of the occupation of ukraine российской федерации , that's what's interesting, you already know how to look at all this, but well, it's quite difficult to look at it from a russian point of view, and probably impossible for ukrainians, er, here's a good training for the mind to look at how these people look in order to understand how they think because i started not to understand that they are not

thoughts all the time son, i don't even argue, gentlemen, thank you for your analysis of the events that are happening at the front and what is happening in the russians. also, in this regard, oleg hamyak, a political psychologist, and ihor petrenko , a political scientist, were with us. to the word beat and you are free to choose exactly how you want to get even with the enemy even in letters our determination and defiance is hidden who else puts not just a dot over and but two dots over and it is difficult to convey your feelings because there is a lack of words create new ones that is how we got art they dream and the future is suppressed by the occupiers