the fourth accused citizen of ukraine, leonid kharchenko, who fought on the side of the militants, the investigation considers all four guilty of the illegal transportation of a russian beech and the launch of a rocket. commented on the russian-ukrainian war in social networks. and in october, it seems, he himself went to fight in ukraine. however, the founder of the group of investigative journalists bellinket hristos groziv has other information, which he recently shared on dutch television. russia still denies involvement in the crime, but the facts collected by the international investigative team prove that on july 17, 2014 , a malaysian boeing was shot down by a missile from a beech belonging to the russian 53rd anti-aircraft missile brigade stationed in kursk on board

which airliner flew from amsterdam to kuala lumpur, there were 283 passengers and 15 crew members. they all died, two-thirds of the passengers were citizens of the netherlands, so the verdict will be announced precisely the dutch court would like to thank our colleagues for this extremely informative story , we are now adding to the analysis of this topic gennadiya dubova, lawyer, candidate of legal sciences. glory to ukraine, mr. gennadiya, we understand. so, all the suspects are accused, we hope now we will hear the final verdict in a few minutes, so all of them rakhiv are in russia federations. but it is possible, in your opinion, that in one way or another it will be possible to somehow extract them from there,

and in this regard, there was a situation when, for example sometimes the situation when interpol transmitted it does not mean that he, accordingly, i think that we need to recontact it, try the quality of communication, well, if it requires improvement, and i think that it will be more effective , this is our inclusion, e. mh17 it will take place in the hague by the way, the other day antina, if you remember, we turned on the people's deputy andriy osadchuk from there, i think that he could also outline the current course of the situation in the hague

, already after the fact of the announced sentence. well, there are several important messages of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi i am answering questions during the bloomberg newkanami conference, the forum remarked on the export of ammonia, we can agree only if the exchange of all for all is implemented we do not want to trade with russia, help them, they are our enemy, i said that we can only agree if they exchange all our prisoners for their prisoners, the head of state said, well, ukraine can get access to the site of the rocket explosion. this is reported by the polish authorities, in particular, the chief adviser said this of the president of poland on foreign policy as if literally, a polish-american investigative team is on the spot, the ukrainians have requested access to the location of the investigation if both sides agree and as far as i know there will be no objections from the american side, such

access can be obtained in the near future, said kumych of the tefal n-24 tv channel, i hope it will be better to hear now well, a little at least we can understand what you are saying now, it is very important , please continue, in the end i think in conclusion, because it is not necessary to confuse gaga with the international court of justice and the international criminal court. and the fact that today, accordingly, that jesus who will deliver the verdict today is, roughly speaking, like the pechersk court of the city of kyiv. that is, it is the national court of the royal netherlands, and in this sense, its conclusions they can to be made the basis of international legal requests, e-e, certain interpol polini extraditions and again they have nowhere to go today except to the russian federation, so in this sense, there is a chance if the verdict is carried out in

in today's circumstances, they are minimal. but again, we can't help but talk about the fact that there is international experience, first of all, for example, of a state like israel, which actually found its criminals and would hand them over to the hands of their justice, which actually prescribed punishment and then this punishment dear mr. gennadiy questions of the customer yes, we understand, well, at least four people appear, but they are easier, rather, organizers of the tactical level, questions of the customers, questions of the people who gave the vultures, in particular, permissions for use the same letter systems, which missiles were used to shoot down the mh17, do you think it will be possible to reach this higher kremlin circle today, unfortunately there is no reason to talk about it, because actually if

the case is referred to the court, it means that the investigation was completed and it exhausted all possible suspects, i.e. the years that we have already spent on the trial, they actually mean that the investigation was not conducted at that time. unfortunately, when we talk about the events of the 14th year and the events of today, a tribunal is already possible here relative to the top military and political leadership of russia, but this is a court that will have an international legal character. today we have a verdict, we will have a verdict more faithful to the national court of the netherlands because it was actually their subjects who died in the majority and in this sense well, we can say that the netherlands did not want to pursue the closer management or they did not have evidence today the court itself will approve the conclusions of the investigation which are final, i think that we cannot expect an additional investigation here. well

simply from our time we remember how long the investigation dug, it is in particular about the downed boeing over locoby, scotland, they dug for so long, but we came to mor gaddafi, we know how he ended well, accordingly, i would like to believe that there are possibly some auxiliary additional procedures well, okay, today 's court decision will be such that it is not subject to appeal and so on, but it is possible that some parallel investigation is underway that can use the results of, for example, today's verdict and so on, we are simply not very knowledgeable about comment on such things. there are good prospects for further development. the fact is that what i said above, these two packages will have a parallel nature, that is, the verdict of the court today is the verdict of the national dishes. it concerns specific people and specifically according to the relevant episode of mh17. there will be no new accused and new defendants, but this may be a really separate

episode in the international legal already pursued this political leadership. that is, it is like the proof is as a confirmation of the relevant theses can be used yes mr. gennadiyu, thank you for this comment, the live broadcast from gaga begins with the announcement of the court verdict in the sword 17 case, so far they are preparing for the announcement, as we understand it, the judges appear accordingly in their cities, mr. gennadiyu very briefly, but finally, until we get to the actual announcement. i remember the epic, er, in general, the consideration of the situation, who is to blame, er, which personalities, which side, in general, and i definitely remember the precise moment when, well, it actually was even the idea of ​​holding ukraine accountable for some kind of reparations seems to have been demanded by the relatives of those who died as a result of this catastrophe. i'm just wondering if there is an option when ukraine, well, let's say that they can be made guilty of

what happened to some extent in some parallel case of the investigation of this the history of ms. criminal investigation is not, but there is a possibility that our aviation authorities really did not block the relevant air traffic in the territory where planes were already shot down here we can conclude such a conditional civil liability to the relevant victims. i almost rule out that this can happen, we can see even on the example of iran and the ukrainian board, and together they admitted their guilt, but so far, accordingly , no one has received compensation from them, and in this sense, there is not enough here that there is no recognition of the war, there are no clear grounds or a clear strong connection between the situation, and that is why i think that such puzzles can be, but their prospects are very, very if it is so pathetic. thank you mr. gennadiy gennadiy dubova

a lawyer with a candidate of legal sciences worked on the live broadcast of our telethon now there will be a broadcast from gaga devoted to the consideration of the case of the downed boeing mh17 well, three prosecutions of e-e traitors in our country who could have contributed to the work of the occupiers on the territory of our country were detained by security service and national police officers in the de-occupied territory of the kherson region, the husband of a local deputy from the opzzh party, banned in ukraine, voluntarily went to cooperate with the rashists and took a leadership position in the occupation in the ministry of internal affairs of the kherson region of the russian federation, in quotation marks, he worked in the department for combating economic crimes, which was actually engaged in terrorizing local entrepreneurs, forcing them to pay taxes to the budget of the russian federation . currently, he has been detained and informed of suspicion under part seven of article 111 of the criminal code of ukraine, and this collaborative

activity, the issue of choosing a preventive measure in the form of detention is being resolved. this is the audience, of course, while the judges are preparing to announce calculate yes, this is important information from erdogan's turkey, he stated that he knows about the agreements between russia and the united states not to use nuclear weapons. this is reported by the reuters agency about the existence of such agreements. russia and the united states reached an agreement earlier this week in ankara. erdogan also added that these two countries should meet often to prevent a new world war. it is known that 14 on november 15, cia director burns and the head of the russian intelligence services met at ryshkin. well, finally, we can listen to the announcement of the court verdict in the case of mh17. gaga, we begin our hearing live, ladies and

gentlemen . i congratulate you. judges of this case and during march 2020, a lot of people were waiting for the results of the investigation, eagerly waiting for the verdict of the court today, so many people are interested in the verdict itself, of course the prosecutor interested, as well as the representatives of the council of relatives of the deceased, there are many relatives

and representatives from other countries, and this case attracts the interest of many representatives of the press, and we also see that many people can watch this hearing in english and russian before announcing the verdict, i want to say that no defendant did not appear did not appear personally, we see that the meeting will be recorded and all the defendants were notified of the judicial investigation, the prosecutor's office and the council of relatives have already

informed the court that they have no desire to take the floor today. i also see that the relevant notes are being reflected. so, in fact, now the agenda will take place in the same way as in september 2022. of this court case. we all, the court recognizes that this is an extraordinary case that has been etched in everyone's memory for a long time. this

court session is taking place in accordance with the laws of the netherlands as usual and the court, the court will provide a summary of the verdict, because in which a comprehensive decision of the court case will be submitted. therefore, before we see the proof of the evidence according to the law, there will be certain procedural questions, the prosecutor has the right to ask questions in the manner of the defendant, the

accident occurred, the accident occurred in 2014 , then the court will speak about whether enough evidence is submitted in the portfolio and also the number of criminals involved in the crime and then a decision will be made so as not to keep you in a certain waiting period and the court can to say that the plane of flight mn-17 was shot down by a buk anti-aircraft missile complex, in which 283 people died, including 15 crew members, the

meeting will continue without interruption, certain procedural aspects are now authorized to conduct this court case, and the prosecutor has received proper accreditation in order to to procedurally conduct its procedural part during the court session, firstly, legal jurisdiction does not automatically apply within the netherlands, but ukraine has transferred the proper

jurisdiction because the accident happened to its ukraine has transferred all rights to the netherlands, and therefore the entire conduct of this investigation is considered legal, considering the citizenship of the majority of the dead. we also know that lawyers are limited by international humanitarian law with limited jurisdiction. no proper protection was provided, assessing the jurisdiction in all four cases, we can see to what extent it is limited in this case during the period when the

accident of the boeing 777 aircraft took place, the conflict was already taking place on the territory of ukraine and was in full swing during bmw, one of the members of the armed forces, used a weapon that was caused to the international that was used in an international conflict and led to the consequences that we are currently investigating. if it was a conflict between two countries, we now see what happened between the state and the terrorist group can be reclassified in a conflict of a different rank later, who

assessed the armed conflict in ukraine between the armed forces of ukraine and separatist groups at that time, the case at that time, this conflict could be characterized as not international armed conflict, but if another state has full control over such a group , it can be judged that this state automatically becomes a participant in the conflict in our case, we see that while russia had full control over the separatist

groups of the dpr, many people who are citizens of the dpr are citizens of the russian federation, moreover, many some of them already had combat er combat experience. some of our defendants, in particular, a native of ukraine, a ukrainian, they acted as mediators between er the moscow kremlin government, for example a prime minister borodai, he actually had such daily conversations with kremlin representatives every day from june to august 2014,

there were also contacts between representatives of the dpr, and even certain meetings took place on the 16th. beard and minister, and in particular regarding his appointment as prime minister, russia provided its support for the conflict, in particular by providing financing and supplying the appropriate weapons. therefore, russia participated in particular by providing various convoys with heavy weapons on the territory of the donetsk people's republic, all this is confirmed by intercepted

calls, which in this case are used as evidence, the representatives of the dpr received clear instructions from the russian federation, and we have proof that there are also different i also a number of different reasons about how russia planned and such and such the attack, in particular , refers to the conversations of july 11, 2014, with the participation of mr. boroday, it was indicated that they were already preparing to move russia was preparing special operations, in particular, in july 2014

when the fighting was going on near the city of slovyansk, there were statements for the city to surrender directly, and mr. hirking took part in these statements, and who, after the borodai tragedy, wanted to call the one who is considered the boss to find out what needs to be done to eliminate the consequences of such kind of consequences, in particular, with the use of what to do with black boxes and similar things, he also talked to his henchmen by company and also in these

conversations it is clear that the boss whom he asked to talk to is a representative of the russian federation also gave evidence that russian equipment crossed the border of ukraine, they carried out strikes and then were driven back to russia, there were also statements that russia could bombard ukrainian positions from its territories, and this indicates that all actions of the dnr and russian soldiers were

coordinated, we understand to what extent russia supported the separatist group financially , provided them with appropriate equipment and other goods, the russian federation had a decisive influence on a-a at meetings of high-ranking officials of the so-called dnr and also she herself carried out military operations on the territory of ukraine, these facts will be clearly covered in the minutes of our meeting, and the situation was as follows: the russian federation fully controlled the actions of the dpr, everyone knows that the judges believe that it is true that during the period of the tragedy

, there was an international conflict and between the representatives of the armed forces of ukraine and the citizens of ukraine who were under the complete control of the russian federation, this means that it gives us all the opportunities to conduct an investigation and search for those who are now accused if we if we are talking about an international military conflict, then it is clear that the dnr and its members can be considered constituent combat units of the russian army about heroes and, accordingly, russia must take full responsibility for how its combat units behave on the battlefield, in this case it is not

so, the russian federation of mr. still has its influence and means of control over the representatives of the dpr, although officially they conspire from the fact that at the time of the tragedy they were part of the military structure of the russian federation, they have no right participate in hostile actions, not to mention the fact that they can receive a certain immunity from responsibility for tragedies, then under the conclusion , it can be said that the diction is not subject to any restrictions with international law, we the

prosecutor's office has the full right to conduct an investigation, the consequences and depth have already been given of the crime that was committed and also confirmed the power and legal right of the prosecutor's office to conduct an investigation , evaluating potential procedural errors, the court calls this court session true and fair we understand that the actions taken by the prosecutor's office have

irreversible consequences, they undertake to be impartial, and the defendant has the right to protect his rights, the defense representatives provided five five a-a points that are important, namely to publicly disclose the results of the investigation, as well as access to witnesses and the publication of relevant photographs from the crime scene before the start of the court session