eight years ago. we want to visit the site of the plane wreckage. but we know that it was too dangerous all the time. we can forget about it for a long time. i hope that ukraine will regain donbas and then we will be able to go. it was an interview with the relatives of the victims of the mh17 crash in the summer of 2014. citizens of russia igor hyrkin, also known as shooter serhiy dubinska, citizen of ukraine leonid kharchenko, guilty of the may-17 disaster and the death of the passengers of flight mh17298. people died as a result of that plane crash. joins ivan lyshchyna, deputy minister of justice of

ukraine, commissioner for the affairs of the european court of human rights - 2016-2021. good evening. was today's verdict as expected for you and how fair was it to you and how fair was it from your point of view ? to evaluate absolutely, i am not a specialist in criminal law, but the decision is very expected, very strong , it will greatly help ukraine citizens and ukrainian companies in protecting their rights in international courts, so he was very friendly to be honest, it seems to me that the trial went even well, well, further than i expected from him, in principle, it is a lot or a little time, and only now we see the verdict

, absolutely, well, for such a case, it is absolutely normal, the normal term is absolutely normal, do you think there are chances that those persons whose today they were sentenced to life imprisonment. they will actually end up in prison and will sit there for life because in fact this is arrest in absentia, this is a political issue and no one knows what will happen tomorrow or which way the events will go vinnik phase what is happening now, what will happen tomorrow with russia, what will happen tomorrow to these people, who, uh, about whom the sentence has been passed, we do not know tomorrow, for example, in russia , the regime will change, uh, it is absolutely real that these people will be gassed to reflect the appropriate punishment, but oh well, moments

political configuration, which is now? of course, this is malevrygina, but volodymyr zelenskyi reacted to this sentence, he said that the decision is important, but he said that it is important to bring the customers to account, please tell me what about such cases in general, it is realistic to prove who the customer is, well, it is realistic if such and such a task is set, in fact, it is such and such, this is the second such and such case . it is very obvious from this verdict that putin was the real customer, but he is not listed as the customer in this situation either, well, the same thing is happening, that is, it is quite obvious that the court is hinting at who exactly was the customer, who was he

the organizer of this, but he does not name specific specific surnames, well, in order to condemn the same putin or, i don’t know, him or other high-ranking russian officials, of course, it is still necessary to bring to the end the idea of ​​creating a special tribunal for er, on the ukrainian-russian war, er, on aggression. well, which one are we currently preparing for? well, we are discussing and i am not ready to say that he or she is preparing, but the discussion is now about the tribunal, which we will definitely talk about. and please tell me there already today the court also ruled that the relatives the dead also received compensation. well, how can you actually get some kind of compensation from the mountain and from his accomplices? well, it depends on what was said about it or the plot, you can receive compensation if, for example, they have some assets or some things related to they are

active abroad as a person and there is a special procedure and the rest of the funds are processed quite clearly according to the sentence of the criminal court, well, obviously we understand that to receive this money from them is from russia, well, it is a small probability, but well, although technically, to apply to russia about such demands that they collect these funds, well, theoretically, it is possible, but in practice it is not profitable for russia to fulfill such and this is a decision, but if they have money abroad, then it is absolutely possible. well, on the other hand, as far as they understand, well, it is quite large funds i did not understand whether they have such funds even if they could be collected in russia, well, that’s another question. and that’s another question there, well, compensations in criminal cases when er when er the amount of damage significantly exceeds the financial indicators there i will also

remind our viewers that ukraine has a desire to create a special tribunal and bring to justice all those involved in the resolution of the war and war crimes, that is what case sword 17 tells us about in this context. about the fact that it will also be realistic to do if it was realistic to wait for the verdict today and that sooner or later it will also happen from the tribunal will be created and verdicts will be handed down or is it illogical to compare these two cases at all, well, it is illogical to compare eh the situation beyond the borders of 17 was quite obvious, the history of ukraine was formal and the jurisdiction to consider such cases was transferred to the dutch court. there was a corresponding agreement. that is, it was enough. well , all that was needed was the political will that was there for that. to take place well, this story, the situation with the

creation of a new tribunal, it is much more complicated, because it requires uh, political political will, uh, well, many countries, uh, and well, uh, and the corresponding, let's say, political circumstances that allowed the creation of such a tribunal, that is, such make the tribunal completely in absentia. maybe, but it will look a bit similar, but even if it is possible to create it, it does not mean that it is easy to do, because there are many reasons why some countries can resist, completely unrelated to our war, so... well, after all, the tribunal for russia is more likely such a goal in the future, and the situation with mr-17 - it was technically, well, no, i can’t say, it’s simple, but it’s relatively, it’s

relatively simple . e technical creation still allow one question ot two days ago literally the general assembly of the united nations adopted a resolution in which it called on russia to be held accountable for its invasion of ukraine, including the payment of reparations. please tell me what this means in practice and how you generally assess the prospect of receiving reparations from russia, again, this is a completely political issue from the point of view of eh technical eh this is absolutely eh the right way to solve genosambry one special very important but obviously not enough by itself to create such a mechanism today eh there are two or three examples of similar situations when compensation for military actions is paid for

damage caused by military actions on the part of the aggressor , the problem is that in all three cases it is an american tribunal - it is a un commission on compensation for well, as for the iraqi aggression and the special commission in northern kyrgyz, hmm, in all cases, it happens with the consent of the aggressor, so the country that pays the compensation agrees, the situation with russia is different. as far as i understand, russia i am not ready to act now without the consent of russia , it is technically possible to create such a tribunal , but it is very, very difficult, and there will be a lot of questions regarding international public law, on the other hand, if there will be some kind of celebration of myrny the agreement therefore, of course, within the framework of this agreement, there must necessarily be

some procedure for the payment of compensation, so the comment ivan lyshchyna, deputy minister of justice , fully important for human rights - 2016-21 thank you, in the kherson pre-trial detention center, a room was discovered in which under during the russian occupation, local residents were detained and tortured in the territory of the liberated kherson region, they work for the sns, the intensity of mining is said to be much higher there compared to, for example, the same kharkiv region, radio svoboda correspondent roksolana bychai works in the liberated kherson, we will show her report from there, we are now breathing freely. this is yours camera yes, this is where we took off some clothes, a watch, what was in the

pockets, the laces came off, and this was the camera, and this is here, and here were also the shelves, here, and here, i am here is located how long have you been here for more than 3 weeks, they were beaten here, and special services workers worked somewhere on other floors, they detained me on march 15. there were guards here, if i am correct. the other rotation beat less but fed less, all interrogations with so-called electric shocks took place upstairs and depending on the sick imagination of those who interrogated our boys and girls, there were various methods. i will not do this

to count people, they were wrapped in tape with rags, they lowered their heads, it was impossible to see where they were, there were screams and women, men, many, well, many, who tells, but i worked here, so i had to contact them for a pulse, they used to come to me with kievskaya, and then they also carried girls they howled and did everything you wanted, it was like that one day there, and where 15 people were brought, it happened that no one was brought in, no one was released. even there are people whose entire fleet was taken to an unknown management and they cannot contact them in any way. i saw people who were leaving, who were inadequate, who did not know their names, where to go , a man of 40-50 years old, in an inadequate condition, soaked emotionally, it is not clear can't

figure out where he is because he's been sitting here for a month, he doesn't know his name, someone came out, although he didn't come out. well, as they were tortured, they said, they remembered that they tortured terribly and with electric current and moral violence in every sphere in kherson where the russian military they shot 17 teroboron soldiers of the second number. these bodies were scattered in parts. all these were the fear of god. i was afraid even to listen to these shletankas and cannons. and here they all followed these soldiers in a thick group, all the time, up there and all the time , the baranivtsi shot, as they looked, they had equipment. they didn't have anything oh, and here they are , they went to this location in the first few minutes - they drove up to where they met with the territorial defense and the territorial defense took over the battle against the armored vehicles is the enemy on

17 soldiers of the territorial defense of the city of kherson died in this place, all of them were shot with large-caliber machine guns that we equipped, there were armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers that were driven by the enemy. for the liberation of the territory of the kherson region, demining is in progress, for example, here, now, sappers of the state service for emergency situations are working not far from, nearby, in this area, positions of the russian military were located before the deoccupation. well if you compare liberated kherson oblast and liberated kharkiv oblast, and now they will say that the intensity of mining here is much higher than in kharkiv oblast. in kherson oblast, since the occupation

, 435 departures have already been carried out, technical calculations have been made , about 2.5 thousand explosive objects have been defused, when they retreat, they mine in order not to pass everything else is the dead sappers, well, these are traps, first of all , set by the occupying troops. yes, there is a case of the death of sappers, unfortunately, the case of the death of citizens directly is more complex in scope work and it is really, uh, radically different from uh, in terms of the mass of mining in kharkiv region, for example, how long will it take you to demine the occupied kherson and the region , it is difficult to predict how difficult it is to say how

long it will take to investigate the crimes committed by the russian military during the occupation, but life the city is recovering, humanitarian aid is already being distributed to people, we see that bread and other products are being distributed, and communication points are also being set up where people can call their relatives, at least connect to the internet yes to the neighboring land well, the law enforcement officers found 63 bodies of victims of torture released from the russian forces in the kherson region, the minister of internal affairs of ukraine, denys monastyrskyi , informed about this in particular. - the first deputy minister of internal affairs of ukraine joins our broadcast good evening, mr. yanin, what preliminary conclusions can you

draw from what happened in the kherson region while it was under occupation i would like to point out that the occupiers showed themselves once again in all their glory and in principle we see very similar manifestations of the extreme brutality of committing war crimes in the temporarily occupied territories. and if we talk about the most typical cases that we had to deal with to encounter, for example, the shooting of a completely peaceful motorcade in the area of ​​the kakhovka hydroelectric station, where rioters shot the buses carrying civilians, women, children, the elderly , and it was there that the family of one of our people died of police colleagues where his two-year-old daughter and newborn son died as well. we observed and recorded signs of other violent crimes, in particular, when a convoy

of civilian transport was howled and first shot, then chased by tanks of the armed forces of the russian federation. we encountered cases of rape that later ended in they also saw the use of cats as cruel murders in order to extort their business from people. they also saw the cooperation of local traitors with the russian occupation regime when, for example, the national guard, together with the chechen so-called units, surrounded certain residential or commercial quarters there, in return, e-collaborators e-e received, for a certain fee, the opportunity to rob shopping centers, gas stations during the night, and much, much more, unfortunately, we have only started our work as of today day, about 400 and 30

criminal proceedings were entered into the unified register of pre-trial investigations - this is only by the national police bodies, generally speaking, this as of today, the figure already reaches three thousand two hundred criminal proceedings - this is the joint result of all pretrial investigation bodies and the national police and the dbr and the security service of ukraine if we talk about the structures of the ministry of internal affairs of ukraine a-a were those people there, if there were, what positions did they occupy who went to cooperate with the russian troops, we definitely add the further fate of collaborators, including representatives of e-e structures that are part of the ministry's sphere of responsibility of internal affairs, such cases are isolated. nevertheless, we monitor the fate of everyone who took the path of treason. just yesterday, representatives of the department of internal security of the national police

, together with investigators of the security service of ukraine, detained one of such unfortunate police officers, as i have already repeatedly noted from collaborators on a large scale. there are two ways either to play or to russia, but thanks to the indifferent population we go after everyone and everyone sooner or later will answer for the treason committed you work with the population to find out collaborators, we also launched a hashtag and there is a corresponding chatbot where representatives of the local population can report the commission of war crimes and the facts of collaborative activities with representatives of the russian occupation authorities, these are all modalities that have already shown their effectiveness on others for the occupied territories, and we do the same. today, we actually conduct a tour of all liberated

territories and sometimes come across quite interesting finds. i would like to note that today we have already found several lists of persons in various so -called bodies of the occupation authorities, collaborators, salary information, contact numbers, and so on, all this will become the evidence base, and we will definitely, as i already mentioned, carefully monitor the further fate of these people, if they even fled to the temporarily occupied territories or to russia, sooner or later we will detain them and the process is evidenced by the experience of kharkiv oblast and other de-occupied territories, as i have already mentioned. we have just shown the report of our correspondents from kherson and there is a woman who described how the teroboronov soldiers died. she says that the teroboronov soldiers died in the first few minutes. 17 soldiers were literally shot . please tell me, hmm, how did it happen that these

people, the teroboronov soldiers, actually stayed there by themselves in kherson and waited there for the russian military, that is, without without any reinforcements, without leadership, or something . the places of each soldier, each commander, who gave which orders or, on the contrary, did not give them, we have already seen, including certain procedural actions on the part of the security services, which, let's say, reported suspicions and announced the search for individual representatives of their own department . - and relevant organizational procedural conclusions i am sure will be made for absolutely all structures and authorities and law enforcement structures, in particular those of kherson oblast, thank you very much for your comment yevgeny yenin, first deputy minister of internal affairs

of ukrainian affairs was on radio svoboda, thank you, the struggle for freedom, democracy on the european continent today is again relevant and with such a messenger in the czech republic they are celebrating the 33rd anniversary of the beginning of the velvet revolution, which led to the fall of the communist regime in czechoslovakia, today, in addition to czech flags, there are many blue on the streets of prague - yellow flags, however, how the czechs celebrate the memorable date and the struggle of ukraine for independence . the correspondent of radio svoboda in prague sashko shevchenko joins our broadcast sashko my greetings to you the word hello actually i congratulate the viewers of radio svoboda so today in the czech republic they celebrate the day of the struggle for freedom and democracy because it was exactly 33 years ago that the velvet revolution began. it is so called because it passed without blood but not

without violence, that is, exactly 33 years ago on this day, there were clashes between university students and the police, and actually it happened on the streets of the people, and there are now the ministry of education and culture i apologize for the memorial plaque, to which impressed politicians, representatives of various political parties gathered today, they put flowers on this plaque and also lit candles, we had the opportunity to talk with the speaker of the chamber of deputies of the czech republic to ask her what this day means to her how the czech republic just today helps ukraine also elect democrats, so don't listen to november 17, one of the most important dates in the history of the czech republic and my favorite date, because then we again elected our democracy and freedom and of course this is the responsibility not only

of our families, but of the entire world community. we have a war going on in our neighborhood near us, which affects millions of people and we must do everything to help ukraine win the war and become a sovereign free country again. the chamber of deputies of the czech republic adopted a resolution recognizing russia is a terrorist regime, what will be the consequences of this? is this just a symbolic gesture? it is very important to show what russia stands for today. russia is a totalitarian state that behaves like a terrorist regime and it is important for us to demonstrate our position in this regard, we support ukraine, we supported it from the beginning of the war and we continue to support it until the end of the war, and the only result that i can accept is the victory of ukraine. well, on the streets of the people, where

most of the activities related to the anniversary of the velvet revolution took place, we we also see many people not only with czech flags, but also with blue-yellow flags, flags of ukraine , and we had the opportunity to talk to them about why today it was important for them to emphasize not only in national czech, but also to talk about support for ukraine, i suggest listening in 1989, i was 29 years old, i was a participant in those protests, i have been coming here every year for 5-6 years, this is important to me, because freedom is about free choice about free movement, i do not support people who would like to return to the past to the regime when the country gives you in itself for free, this leads only to negative consequences, we must be able to take care of ourselves independently for our freedoms ukraine is fighting for its own freedom and this

that's right, because every person deserves it, russia is obviously lagging behind, we have already gone through a certain experience with them and we don't want a repetition, and ukrainians deserve to be ukrainians and not be under the rule of some russia, i pointed out the children, i am here today with the children to show them and remind them that freedom and democracy is not something automatic that you have to fight for them and defend values , especially today, when there is a war going on in europe, more than 90 different activities took place today and continue to take place in prague related to the celebration of the anniversary of the velvet revolution this is reported by the co-organizers of these events and among these activities there are also many actions dedicated to ukraine, one of them - this is, for example , an exhibition of 21 works about ukraine

. three ukrainian artists are exhibiting their works at it, and they will also hold an auction today to raise funds it could then be shipped to help ukraine in the war with russia, well, this is actually not the only such action , it is already traditional on the streets of prague on such solemn days that a doll appears that imitates vladimir putin and oleksandr lukashenka, and this is also another such performance. today, there are on the streets on the right, yes, and the representatives of the austrian group k putin, who created this doll , they plan to sell it at an auction, and the solution is to transfer the funds to ukraine . listen to what their plans are. we decided to sell the doll. the online auction has been going on since yesterday on our twitter page kaputin, the starting price is €10,000, and with the proceeds we

want to buy an attack drone for the ukrainian army but today also took place in prague and the action against the support of ukrainian refugees, specifically it is happening already the fourth one will take part in the initiative of the organization, the czech republic is in the first place. in fact, there were many speeches in them before at the actions. i will remind you that the first very large rally took place on september 3. then, according to the calculations of the czech position 70,000 people came out and among their demands was the actual resignation of the government because they did not agree with the government's policy of supporting ukraine and sending weapons to ukraine for sanctions against russia, and actually the people were also in favor worried about the fact that the cost of even norwegianness is rising, and today there was this protest eh, but eh, we actually heard the opinions of different parties, those

who were at this protest. to say, but for about a few thousand, to be more precise, today they went outside to practice on this, i have all my own word for you, thank you very much sashko sashko shevchenko live from prague was included in the sevefir svoboda life well, svoboda life will traditionally return to the air already tomorrow we we talked, let's listen to people who suffer from rheumatism and arthrosis of the joints, it's so piercing , it's impossible to get used to it, it doesn't allow you to move. i've tried everything. and at the pharmacy, i bought a yellow dolgit cream. it saves me from the pain of rheumatism, reduces swelling and improves the mobility of the joints in the wrists and back.