does not mean that the ukrainian army will stop in its gains and victories that they shelled ukraine on tuesday, to the delight of zelenskyi, took place at the g19 meeting. so we are talking about it now, what does it mean. this is the behavior of russia. that is, it was also their demonstrative gesture for all the people who gathered there, the leaders of the countries, that well, they can. that's how it is. this rule has some kind of impression on some people - it somehow changed their perception of russia. twenties and zelensky's speech are of no use here and as some telegram channels write that allegedly if zelensky had spoken in a different way, there would not have been this

massive strike, this is all wrong. deeply sneeze at the big seven and the big twenty and i agree with the fact that this is the behavior of a bear in a den or besieging a fortress, this is typical for russia. we are doing everything to save our country. this is their policy that has been applied many times. i also agree that the missile terror tactic is a clear indication of the inability to win and advance on the battlefield, and it is also quite clear that the main motive or the main goal that putin is pursuing is the goal pragmatically . really wants to pawn ukraine or the west, er, to sit down with him for negotiations on favorable conditions for him well , they simply say, will he leave what i have now and then i will negotiate and if

to take as a basis, etc., the information that you told the planetarians. if they still have more than 2,000 missiles, they launched 150, then at least 10 more times they can play like this, and of course this is a huge challenge for ukraine, here we must take it seriously . i agree that it is us will not kneel down, even if they achieve such a conditional goal of creating such a stopgap in ukraine - 100 such cities as alchevsk used to be, so everyone knows this situation when the volchev water supply system was paralyzed and er, in fact, i think that this will not work , er, the ukrainian political and military leadership will even more tune in to uncompromisingness and the statements of zelenskyi’s self-deprecating statement in this testimony

. russia after some time. we would like something sooner, but i am sure that sooner or later it will only increase military aid to ukraine , for the first time we will talk about air defense and anti-missile defense systems, but i think it will be like this the only consequence is that it is necessary to understand here that putin is the first and will go to the end and as long as he is the president, he will not get out of this position . in my opinion, instead of looking for different versions of the negotiation process with putin, one should adopt the only possible tactic or strategy. if you want, which day will help to end this war as soon as possible, as soon as possible and provide ukraine with military weapons. this is how it should be done and stop all these negotiations, motivating them with the nuclear

threat, which has already been reduced to a minimum , or motivating them with the fact that putin should be given a window of opportunity, that he should be weakened in this way, but keep alive all these tactics that are supported by the western world and the european union, the united states america is trying all these tactics, but america is trying them, in the end it will be as june said that america always makes the right decisions after trying all the rest , we include pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukrainian affairs, 14-19 years, co-founder of the center for national stability and development, mr. pavel good evening, taras stetskiv had the floor before you, and he noted that these shellings carried out by putin during j19 showed the attitude towards j19 and j and all leaders in general the world has putin, he neglects them and wants to demonstrate, but i have a question

about the reaction because well, if you just sit on the internet and read what ordinary ukrainians write, well, everyone expected that now we will gather everyone and there will be a very decisive response, including to the incident that took place on polish territory, on the one hand, but on the other hand, as some experts claim, it is not the style of the west to respond in putin's style with a blow for a blow, they will wait and try different options again, i am quoting stecksky in front of you. how do you think the results of j19 in the context of ukraine in the context of massive shelling of our state during this meeting in indonesia how can they be characterized from the point of view of ukrainian interest, well, first of all unfortunately, russia has not yet formally excluded the 20. russian participation has actually been reduced to a minimum. nevertheless, russia

continues to be a part of the 20, so we need to work on this, of course we would like it to continue to be called the 20. but russia has been replaced by someone another one, hmm, or at the first stage, someone else, i'm somewhat sure that in the future it will happen, but for now it's a goal that we haven't achieved. jump but it was a positive step where this format is about consultations, it is about decision-making as a seven seven is a coordinating body of the western world and the 20 is still a consultative body for the western and non-western world and what was

managed to be inserted into this is a document that most countries condemn. and in principle, the chinese and south africa could also block this, and by the way, they tried at some point. it is really moderate. but nevertheless, it is a success, and the real result is bali - we will see this in the coming weeks. actually the result the conversations of biden and all the chinese leaders about whether there can be a joint approach. i am sure that china is not yet ready to surrender putin, not because he respects him there, god forbid, or loves him there, but because he cynically intends to use him in the future. i see a picture of lavrov on my screen, well, lavrov's participation - of course, it 's something from the side of the bow, because the meeting with the

chinese minister and nothing else, the un generals, this is real and means the role of russia. well, in general, the attitude towards lavrov personally as something does not represent russian diplomacy anymore, but rather represents russian propaganda. and as for the discussion about the latest strikes and what happened in poland, i still think that i, nata, is insufficient. we perfectly understand that the fifth article on collective defense could be used in case proof of a deliberate deliberate targeted attack, but i am very disappointed and this will be perceived by russia as a weakness on the part of nato that the procedure for consultation under the fourth

article is not involved when a nato country is any ally feels in danger. it would be absolutely critical and the results of these consultations should be the strengthening of air defense aid and the strengthening of aid, since nato is not only about defense and stability in the energy sector and coordination between allies . these are the things and in particular such things are extraordinary. it would actually be in my opinion, this is a good answer, and here nato has made a decision, and in particular the americans, to deliberately avoid any even theoretically possible escalation, and this is something that putin does not really understand, so here i have a certain i have to say disappointment just as you moved on to this topic. and i wanted to clarify. and why did the world react?

so why didn't nato make the statement that we expected there, but there were different opinions of experts, it should be done, it should not be, there are reasons, there are no reasons , but that's all from that that we see how the countries reacted and what statements they made, well, this is not exactly what the ukrainians hoped for on the day when they found out , we must be honest. but at the same time, we must say that the last russian attack on us caused a new phase, a new stage of the internationalization of the conflict. outages in moldova, there were outages of oil transit to hungary, we all know about poland, and this is actually something that part of the west does not want to admit, that they are also in conflict with russia , so far not a military one. but nevertheless, showing one's weakness. this is definitely not the language that

perceives putin and i believe that there were definitely reasons for the fourth article and it was possible to use it . they agree with me, they simply say that they did not expect that the consultations under article 4 would be defeated as a result, and in the end, this is a very important moment, this may be the moment of truth for the west, if the west is not able to provide a tough response to all these blows. and this is actually it's not just crimes against humanity, it's really the beginning of genocide, which we don't perceive simply as a political statement, it's not a legal statement, it can be proven, and it means that the

west must respond to it, that is, it's not the western world that can condemn or not condemn but only condemnation from the west is certainly not enough here. and i think we should demand a more consistent and tougher response here , and not only to the ippo systems. and why, for example, can the west not carry out a massive cyber attack on russia together with us, but the desire is somehow e- to lower the degree is absolutely wrong. i think it should be very, very, very, very, very, very, very simple slogans, don't hold us back, and hold back putin, and unfortunately, part of the west is not ready for this yet, that is, we still have a lot to work on. thank you, pavlo klimkin was with us on skype. i absolutely agree with the words of mr. pavl that the west

, even from the point of view of media coverage, where we are plus or minus can be said by experts. it seems to me that the west is not even ready to confront somewhere in the information field create narratives, well, in contrast to what the russians are doing, who in their information field are at war with all the countries of europe and the united states, and this does not mean that they are fighting with weapons, but in the information field, they are exactly at war, pavlyuk, well, logically, we are talking about poland got involved and you worked on this in the lublin voivodeship. so where did this incident happen? what consequences do you think this could have, even from the point of view of the perception of all the events by the poles themselves, because by and large they didn't like it , but they now understand that every air alarm and i know that the television always says with a conveyor belt in ukraine that an air alarm can have certain consequences for them, that is, there is already such peace that it is happening in ukraine. yes, it is scary

, but it is not in our country, it will definitely not happen today. i will return from poland. i would like a continuation of the minister , he said absolutely all the right things, only i would like us all to pay attention to the fact that on the 20th, when biden met with the chinese leader, later with the turkish putin, he hit us with missiles and literally after the rockets flew to poland, both biden and erdogan, still having absolutely no conclusions, immediately declared that it could not be russian rockets, radugan said that i believe the russians because they said so, he believes them, it is just a shock, it is just a shock, he told them believes a my father also said that this is not the trajectory, and not knowing what the conclusions are, you understand that they met in threes, something is not right, i will tell you further , when they hit poland, the first thing that duda said was the president of poland and the polish military said that

it was really a russian missile it was said immediately, but later, when the americans were consulted, they said no, no, it can’t be, it’s probably more likely that it’s a ukrainian air defense system, and to this day, all poles are on the same level among themselves, let’s say why. across the ocean, and that's why they say no. it was probably not a six-point missile, but everything is going well. some kind of start, some completely different games have started. they don't blame us for poland, of course, it's not that there's any fear, but such a caution has appeared in them, there is no doubt that they understand that the border areas can be shelled just like the whole of ukraine is shelled, i don't think that this will have any effect on the future of our relations, the poles absolutely support us and will support us, not only the

government and not only the president, but ordinary poles are definitely on our side, we have repeatedly had such conversations that now we are at war, we do not say, well, we cannot give you well, let's say that we physically help you, but we help you in another way, to which we answer them. i specifically say that if god forbid the muscovites will attack you, then we will help you physically. our armed forces will also give you documents and we are not afraid, we will cross the border and we will defend our country, ukraine and poland , because today we are defeating them on the battlefield, and i will tell you more today and the world, you see that i am the british and the baltic countries have declared that whoever this missile was, the russians are to blame, well, it is again but i say again, we will see after today our experts went to the territory of poland. thank god they allowed it. because there was so much, they will not be allowed to do it all in some other way.

we will see if it really is our rocket . we will we will take measures, we will apologize, we will be together, we will draw some conclusions from all of this. but i hope that this shelling of poland will give an opportunity in the future, after all, i hope that it is possible that some kind of territory will be created where, after all, nato countries will be into the air to protect the sky, let's say at least some 50 km. i hope that it will be. i saw exactly how it is, mr. palu. i wanted to reach you in this context because, after reading some polish posts or there on facebook, some residents of the regions bordering ukraine they ask the question and why when there is an alarm in, for example, lviv oblast in volyn or frankiv oblast, why don't they announce an alarm? maybe it's not even possible to announce some kind of

heightened security in these adjacent territories , because when a rocket flies into a fairy tale and has a trajectory towards lviv, it's difficult to understand whether is it to lviv, or can she fly there, god forbid, and get to poland? they are talking about this at the official level. is it just otak on facebook among simple contests? it happened without a doubt, because people died there, innocent people, civilians, after all, it will definitely happen. i hope that a decision will be made, after all, to control and help us to control the border area at the very least. were definitely full of different events, you know, this ukrainian-russian war is completely different from the wars we read about in books about the second world war, about the first world war, i will give you my opinion that it is

different from the war in afghanistan, the war in syria, it is very, very diverse and putin's cream today has already lost on many fronts. look, the first and most important front that ukraine won is the front of our unity. he thought that he would be greeted with flowers. i am convinced that their intelligence and their moles wrote about what the ukrainians are not ready to do we won the resistance because we demonstrated unity and together we will carry out resistance from transcarpathia to kharkiv. the second front on which putin lost is the unity of the western world. i think that in that dream he could not have thought that ramstein would be where 50 western countries they will talk about weapons for ukraine every time because they are convinced that this is the front where he also did not count and where he lost 100%. the third

front that he lost today is his legal defeat in the courts and you in public institutions, the decision of the general assembly of the united nations organization , which recognized that russia should pay reparations, declarative yes, but an unprecedented decision , the decision of the hague court, where, in fact, russian citizens were recognized as war criminals in connection with the downing of the flight mh17 and life against them is applied imprisonment you show on the screen the votes that took place where, together with muscovy, one, two , three and nothing remained, and the battle with itself represents absolutely nothing in the world, the next front that lost is one important country, after all, china is also a minus after the big twenty, china and china to the

g20. i believe that these are two different chinas in relation to ukraine. i think that no one expected that all of them would come out with a blue-yellow flag at the meeting of the g20, but the decision that was adopted was the first resolution of the g20, where it is really said that russia committed an act of aggression and this decision is extremely important here, one cannot but agree with minister klimkin, but there is one more thing that is very important and this is another front where putin lost - this is the front of his nuclear blackmail not only of ukraine and to the whole world, this is a joint statement by the president of the united states and the leader of china, biden, that nuclear blackmail is unacceptable. i believe that this is a very serious defeat for putin, this is a tactical strategic nuclear club that he tried to pull out and use it to frighten the world and ukraine, which are actually

broken today, that is, a number of fronts where ukraine has won, where the struggle is taking place today, the struggle is taking place today, with all due respect to our soldiers , but the struggle is taking place on the battlefield and we are paying for this struggle with the lives of ukrainians if we are in this struggle did not lose a single soldier, then we could be calm about this struggle, but we are losing our soldiers and that is why this struggle is very important and we must protect the life of every soldier. the second front where the struggle is taking place today is the fight for the ukrainian economy. for the ukrainian energy industry, what do these strikes mean? these are steams against the present and future of ukraine. we understand that putin wants to destroy the country. earlier, he thought that he would destroy it by putting his petty prince in the office of the banker or hrushevsky. he failed and he is destroying it. the country in other

ways, and this is a struggle and the third big front , which today is about the struggle for our bridges with you, really, will we give in to blackmail and will we react to any attempts that the cream wants today, putting ukraine at the negotiating table is the third and very, very important front. i will tell you honestly that i was a little worried by president zelenskyi's latest statement that he is ready for a public dialogue. it directly contradicts the decision of the national security and defense council. it directly contradicts the decisions made in the ukrainian state cannot negotiate with the dictator, there are no negotiations with the person who caused the death of ukrainians, who caused the aggression. that is, this is the third front of the replacement of people that will be fought today very, very actively, what do we need to do? the first and

most important thing is to stick together. the second thing is that it is very important to bring the west closer to us. how can we bring the west closer? this is the rule of law and these are very important things, because the west lives by values. if we violate all our values, there will be no union, and the third thing is very important, you know. we would very much like to, even in the case of poland with the tragedy that the territory of poland, in fact, we would really like it if after that within half an hour there was an immediate statement, a decision by nato, and nato directly entered into a military conflict on the territory of ukraine, let's often say, we would like it very much, it would be easier for us, but the west unlike muscovy lives by the truth and this is very

important and we always have to understand that if muscovy creams build their whole lives on lies it is the empire of evil and it is the empire of lies they are built that way after all it is their inner world then the west lives by the truth, but we don’t talk about it today, but a lot of resignations of western leaders come when they are discredited from the point of view of morality and when the west starts living by the standards of the kremlin, roughly speaking, lying will not be successful in this, and there will be no victory because western society will never do this will accept and i cannot say for sure today whether it was a missile, whether it was russian or whether it was a ukrainian air defense missile, and probably today, from the point of view of possibility, it is only important who will at least somehow compensate and who will apologize to the families of those who died because this

it is very important that people died there, these families should receive moral sexualization and for sure receive a material statist slave, but all the leaders of the western world said that regardless of whose fault is this rocket, russia said it today linked it said something yesterday macron said it i said it no more i'm talking about uh, england also said exactly that, ant, well, you know, in fact, this is the statement of the president of poland, duda. i don't know, almost verbatim. he says, i don't know who launched this missile, but it's a russian-made missile, that is under this everything is said, you understand, if we want to win, if we want to be a part of the civilized world tomorrow, we must live by the standards of truth and the standards of lies will never help us in

this struggle. these are very important things that we must realize for ourselves. therefore, we must be inside we are the only ones who have to live and help and count on the help of western countries and we have to live by the standards of the civilized world and this cannot be a lie, this cannot be what muscovites live, these must be completely different things. i convinced that they will dominate ukraine, these are the right words because, you know, when all of us on facebook or in the comments, after the e-missiles hit the territory of poland, began to demand there immediately that nato, you know, was horrified in response. immediately on the kremlin, then why are you patient, you say , it is necessary to understand that on the one hand, we demand to stop the aggressor, on the other hand, we demand that the ukrainians of the real world behave as they behave very often, the russian federation, which without a trial, without an investigation, simply invented some kind of propaganda version and they are starting to defend this version by attacking

the territory of ukraine in particular. one more thing, which actually manifests itself today, and a week ago and today. i say it would be completely different if president zelenskyi was at the ball at that time. contact me well, we did not know that such a tragedy would happen, that people would die. we did not know for sure that there would be such a serious missile attack, but if the leader of ukraine was at that time in the swamp, where was he invited? i am convinced that the meeting of the leaders he would definitely be invited to the big seven for consultation, and it would definitely be a completely different conversation in person. we cannot allow such significant miscalculations in diplomacy, we must use all the chances that are given to us by the big and small, because these are the chances of the country, but i say once again, we have a lot lost because the leader of ukraine was not there, the president of ukraine was not in

madrid at the nato summit, they talked about ukraine without ukraine we lost a lot because the president of ukraine was not at the ball, they talked about ukraine without ukraine, and not because they want to but because we weren't there and it's a big mistake and we have to correct all the mistakes. well, this mistake has already happened. you don't need to make mistakes anymore. opposed to putin, oksana yurynets has a question for you this week: what do you think he is, uh, even more, let's say yes, send it, anyway, this is the story when mr. pavlyuk is right, and when the rockets hit the territory of poland, there were immediately several sharp statements from on the part of poland, the baltic countries reacted immediately and

ukraine followed. well, there was such a pushback and the impression that it was very deliberate and provoked by someone, because the poles, in fact, almost diametrically changed their position there, well, accordingly, well , most likely, they asked for this. what do you think in such a more global geopolitical context, what will this week have, what consequences will it have? well, if global is about what sun-zy and ukraine of the 21st century of our era is the art of winning, and sometimes it is not so easy for us, having the possibility of these 10 days prior to monday on monday only after returning at night and actually on tuesday from such a long business trip as gdansk in warsaw and in london and then in chicago