i'm afraid i won't meet him like that, he's big. well, as they say, you know, with flowers, feathers, near the road, as it was this year. it's obvious. we 'll help, but it will be psychologically. we understand that we need to wait for the results of the investigation, what kind of rocket it was, where and under what circumstances it fell on the territory of poland, although there are already some different readings and about whether it could be me in the end, many people note that it could would er-er greatly affect the relationship poland and ukraine in connection with the fact that the ukrainian political leadership insists that it was a russian missile, and nato countries, including poland, quickly got their bearings, saying that

it was most likely a ukrainian air defense missile, although none were aimed at ukraine they are still responsible for this incident. is it possible here that you know a stumbling block between us precisely in connection with this incident, if the ukrainian side does not agree, you know that it was their missile and will find it appropriate relying on the specific reports of our e-experts e-e actually i ask you not to admit this well and there is such a thing i will say yes well there is a threat so e-e what will we continue to explain that it is a ukrainian missile the ukrainian side will continue e-e explaining that you are russian rocket eh and that it will have a small but not surprising effect on our

foreign relations and eh and i honestly say well no not really now eh this discussion eh and and and and and and meaning of this discussion for our political leaders, i understand you are talking about a common stone where it is possible to meet. well, i think it's cold. it's just a matter of jointly defending ourselves so that less falls on ukraine and that it is not enough for its western neighbors, including poland, and this is a constructive proposal like this future, like traffic jams. missile defense system both in ukraine and in poland, how is it

possible ? i understood somewhere. yes, the video is of two men, two poles the first steps, the second point, it seems that russia is responsible because it did it in ukraine on february 204 - it was she who sent almost 45 thai women from porok to ukraine and let's close this topic and just think more about the future and not i don't know for how much yes it is already the third and fourth day. how do we talk about this topic? and how much more can we agree? on the other hand, there are voices, in particular, and in poland, junior trump distinguished himself, so to speak, with his disgusting tweet and so

on. we understand that there will be similar topics. do we want this and do we not want to appear, the question of the political will of president andriy duda, we understand that russia is certainly putting forward unspoken ultimatums both to the euro-atlantic community as a whole and to individual members of the euro-atlantic alliance, in particular, it concerns the supply of long-range missiles, it is about the supply of possibly f-16 and abrams-class tanks well, accordingly, whether poland will be ready to go with ukraine in order to stop russian aggression to the end is a matter of feeling. of course, this is not a matter of political categories but the question is simply, how do you feel the change or, on the contrary, the strengthening of political sentiments among the polish elites in this direction? i would say that for today

my answer is yes, the post office will go to the end with ukraine, after all, as i already said, well, we have e where is the big problem for us? the economic situation in our country, the current government, what is the current team like, how did it come to power in the 15th year , it has been 7 years, well, they have a real prospect of not losing the base and the elections in the 23rd year and they will do everything and it will be just like that and people and uh to remain private and at some point there is a possibility that it is also a

question of foreign tilers or a question of internal politics. i mean refugees so that they can be used. directly pour and since it's almost like that pour polish will always be anti-russian there i think ukrainian but it's just uh where where and further so uh they can be respected after all, after three months, after six months, inflation the economic crisis is very high, i don't want to go to energy resources, and the prospect of a change of power after the elections in such a year. well, this is all a challenge, as well as for

us . you, professor, yes , and the key moment - the key moment is the synchronization of certain executive authorities, we understand that there is great sympathy in ukraine and in poland, there are corresponding problems in ukraine and in poland well, the key issue now is strengthening cross-border cooperation on strengthening and synchronizing certain economic processes. we have seen good legislative initiatives, but the issue is still the implementation of such at the executive level. how dynamically do you think such a process is moving now, so that everything does not remain at the level of extremely powerful declarations, it is really

special at the beginning of the war - this there were almost no declarations, but it’s just that everyone did what they thought and what was necessary. and now there is, let’s say, such a systematic or so-e cooperation of activities and levels of e-e in the native one and the other state her here, where are we? i think it doesn’t work out so well, er, ukrainians are like poles, especially now, it will work out well for us, if there is a big problem, well , you know that in particular, you froze on the maidan , and even then it worked. on a day-to-day basis, does the field suffer from energy politics? is everything

eh and eh? so, for example, from poland, yes, there is eh from here now eh and ho-ho eh-eh dark eh-e approach to, for example, before it already became refugees, we were accepted very thick law write about it and now somewhere i ask some elements complements several two different during the border from the grounds to obviously it is very important this is a matter of time how to return how many points from the border but i think that for the first time and uh to decide the humanitarian breakthrough uh now we need to finish successfully successfully with russia well

, about uh, about border transport, yes, it’s weird to think about it a little later now, but i developed infrastructure during the war, politicians fall, where is it not the best, professor, finally andrzej duda, the polish president said that poland should be ready for a repeat of the situation with by the fall of the rocket. unfortunately, in a certain sense, we must be prepared for the fact that situations related to various accidents as a result of the war may repeat themselves. i hope that this will not happen. and we will do everything possible to prevent this from happening, he emphasized. we know whether it was intentional or not, what happened in poland, rockets fell, but certain conclusions the russian federation, hmm, which it articulates through the constitution, has already excuse me on the word of its propagandists, and after this

incident, they immediately heated up a discussion on the topic of that, and how protected are the nato countries in general, in particular on the eastern flank, in fact , right here in front of the door of the country where a big war is going on, we are talking about the territory of our country, of course today it became known that russia attacked ukraine yesterday with x-55 missiles, fortunately there was no combat some parts say our military experts, but in general, these are missiles that can carry a nuclear charge in poland, somehow this topic is articulated in general and the understanding that russia will draw conclusions from the situation and may resort to new provocations. i think that there is understanding of this, uh, we have already for the last uh, 8-10 years, especially after the 14th, we uh, not only in

poland, but in other countries of uh, western europe satellites, i think we more or less began to understand uh i mean children, provocations, not threatening wars, back in the 10th year, for example, when the smolensk tragedy happened in poland, we didn't know it so that everyone wouldn't understand it , now there is an understanding of this, and that's already us . but we know about that, we know about that about nuclear er, weapons, there is a discussion about this in poland right now, and you can come to a cold conclusion that it is not very likely, but i will tell you . in ukraine

yes, i'm right, this week i have um i have lectures on international relations in europe well, for the first time in 10 years i told students about the possibility of a nuclear strike yes, because it always succeeded for six months under my eyes, it's incredible, and this year the first time the situation changed, i also them said it is simply incredible, but still we are talking about it so dear professor, unfortunately, in 1914, few people could have thought that the third world war was coming. professor andrii sheptytskyi, professor of political science at the university of warsaw, direct inclusion from poland, next to note the interview by askhatov, the son of the second president of the

independent ichkeria, aslan maskhanov, please now we have come to kyiv to hold a congress of the chechen people. as far as i know, you can tell us in more detail how it will take place, whether the congress has already taken place or if you are still planning to do so. on november 25-26, we are planning to hold a congress of supporters of chechen independence from the russian federation we held this convention in paris, france, our trip to ukraine is a meeting with politicians, deputies, and of course with mass media, the convention is that today our society is in a crisis

that we are trying to overcome today. crisis of course we will blame russia, they did a great job to divide our society, unite this society, and then come forward and reach the deoccupation of our native land, be the masters of your own family, you have already held negotiations with ukrainian officials. i understand what they said, what they heard in in the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine and in the verkhovna rada, we met with various politicians and discussed, as i say, support from ukraine, we feel it, we see this support, ukraine is open to us, which makes us happy

those for which we thank ukraine, we talked about this crisis, we talked about the problems of our society and our plans and our plans that we want to achieve our goals that is, de-occupation there are already other processes there in general, we saw support from them and these people are ready to work together with us, they they say it frankly and accordingly we are also open to holding these and other measures recently the verkhovna rada of ukraine proclamation republic because the result of your negotiations in particular or how it happened, what do you think is the significance of this decision for republic for us, for us chechens, this is

of great importance. this is a historical event. of course, we thank those who worked on this project, the initiator of the verkhovna rada of the verkhovna rada, and those ukrainians who signed the petition that received 25 thousand votes, first of all, this is their merit, the merit of all our heroes, chechen heroes who died fighting with weapons in their hands in the war against the russian occupiers. i believe that this is their merit, and then there are people, public figures from chechen society who supported this project in all directions so that to achieve this result, we all achieved this result and we all achieved it, they said that your ultimate goal is the torchin republic blik and when do you

think the time will be right for this deoccupation to really happen, maybe some prerequisites for this must take place or something else. what is your opinion about all the events what are all the events that are happening today around the events in ukraine in the world? this is just a chance, that is, to stand next to the ukrainians in order to achieve the victory of ukraine over the russian terrorists. we are terrorists. we have several battalions fighting against the russian occupiers no. here is a joint effort to achieve this victory and of course we are working with our society to one fine day come forward as a society for vadim a fine day to speak we are ready to speak today today russia is not as strong as before today russia is

weak and we we call on other people and peoples who have been treated like us in our step to stand up for their independence for their freedom and look at the events in russia. the russian-ukrainian war is absolutely not needed here, they are sending buryats, bashkirs, tatars, dagestanis, chechens, it is not necessary. this is not their war . personal interests are his personal ambitions, here we are working in all these directions. we call on all these people to stand by ukraine, on the contrary, not with russia, but from ukraine , because today ukraine is waging a holy war on

to their native land, they live there on the territory of the chechen republic, which is currently occupied by russia. how do you keep in touch, it's like partisanship. is there anything else i can't tell you, given the situation in the russian federation in our republics. we have access to our peoples, we have access to among dagestanis and other peoples, this is communication and today it is done very easily, there are various social networks, there are various technologies and various platforms directly on these platforms, as well as the future, what will be the future of russia, that is, it has will many countries completely disintegrate or can only some individual countries and individual republics secede or can it remain as it is now but

only with greater autonomy in some republics what do you think i think that all the peoples that i have listed and not listed deserve this freedom i would like to see i would like these peoples to be independent from the kremlin regime, so that they live free . i personally would like my opinion about what will happen. actions towards these peoples, and i believe that these peoples will soon speak out, everything points to the cedyot and kadyrov . how strong do you think his position is now in the middle of the republic, what kind of person is he, we

have been saying for 20 years that he is a figure inflated by russian propaganda, to call him a person i i don't want it, he doesn't represent anything of himself, even you ukrainians call him by the right name, tik toker , i emphasize that the courage he showed throughout his life is a victory in tiktok and all that is not more than remembering that some chechens are fighting in the ranks the armed forces of ukraine, maybe you keep in touch with them, communicate somehow, what do they say, if there is an opportunity to talk with our brothers, these are chechen battalions that have been fighting since 2014, from the very beginning, and there are

also dead people here. i know their mood, i know their goals, here they are fighting for our freedom for the freedom of ukraine, for the freedom of ukraine, and they will fight to the end until the victory of ukraine, and then, as i said, we will stand together for our native land for de-occupation of our native land, you are a citizen of norway, do you live there, to what extent is your safety guaranteed there, have you seen it? maybe something strange on the part of the russian

special services or something else? such threats. here is this puppet government that today in our republic openly threatened my relatives, that is, there were attempts to pressure what i said, my answer was short. i said kill everyone, but you can't stop me. and with which countries are you still negotiating? i mean, besides ukraine, to unite efforts to de-occupy the republic in our common interests. somewhere, er, we see understanding in this situation in ukraine, our situation in ichkeria, we are now fighting for these countries

to follow the example of ukraine, this recognition how did you say the genocide of the chechen people, as well as the occupation of the chechen republic of ichkeria, as well as our goal - the goal is for ukraine to officially recognize the independence of the chechen republic as a chechen state, these are the results we are also seeking from other countries. and maybe after some time, people already understand that they are being used, as can be seen from the mobilization, cannon fodder, in fact, what mother or

father wants their sons to be sent to another countries and we see first of all this and from the mood of these people that it is already starting, the excitement is starting, do you remember how they killed the troops, set fire to the military commissars? that is, it is all already starting. chechnya lived through two wars, one ended in victory, the other one, no, you can draw parallels between the war that is happening in ukraine now and maybe between the first or the second chechen war, i will draw a parallel such that um, everything is the same, the tactics of the russian troops and their cruelty to civilians, everything is identical , everything is the same, and nothing has changed, irpin and others

populated areas, the same thing happened in our country, they entered the populated areas and killed all the children, old people, the elderly , threw grenades into the basements, and the civilians were hiding there , and as a result of these brutal actions by the russian troops, more than 300,000 civilians were killed by genocide it is called genocide in the world, as ukraine has done now, yes, we had a word to fight, but we fought in such a situation that you had to buy weapons from the russian military, automatic weapons,

bought grenade launchers and shot at them this is how it is the situation was. i mean that we didn't have any support at that time, if we had javelin bayraktars then we would have figured it out a long time ago, they might not have climbed to georgia and here as well . in the usa, a machine gun cost 300,400 dollars with a complicated example. there were even cases when armored personnel carriers and bmps were sold, and there the price was 3-5 thousand dollars. tell me how you managed to win in the first war, because russia is really big and chechnya is many times smaller. how did you manage to do it? well

first of all, it is unity among the chechen resistance, and secondly, of course, it is the support of the people, as we know, in august 1996. my father, at that time , the chief of the general staff, under his leadership , conducted a unique operation to liberate our capital, a good, unique operation. операцию по особенностинию нашей столистии и нам етого делает the russians had to capitulate, they had to sign all agreements, treaties, etc. in order to divide us internally, it is possible to give, it is necessary to give credit, they actually did a good job among those former commanders, as well as

our population, they divided us, they divided us, that's when the russian-chechen war was actually difficult and difficult to fight because, on the one hand, the population was tired of the first war that's why there was a lack of resources, there was a lack of resources, and what's more, we were declared islamic and chechen terrorists to the whole world, just as the nazis are doing to the ukrainians there today people from bandera, etc. they know how to hang such labels and this also affected us because they did not support us anywhere.