of course, it does not fly and does not enter our airspace, the only thing is to coordinate the transfer of control with our air forces. therefore, it is optimal to do this and it is very easy to do, but for this, a certain political decision of two countries is needed. mr. yuriy, i thought that this was our last moment for communication, no mr. yuriy, what do you say about this theory, about this possibility, this possibility was considered from the very beginning of aggression, our partners were asked to close the sky because the sky russia unilaterally blocked us. yes, we saw only the red stripes that were over ukraine, which it declared a no-fly zone . we also asked our partners. well, let's help us close the sky. help us over ukraine . help us close the sky over our nuclear facilities. later, please give us

means of defense, i.e. anti-aircraft weapons or airplanes. this was also a request. now the situation is a little different at the front, when earlier no one believed in the victory and success of ukraine, especially because, well, let's frank so that in three days ukraine will not stand still there in a week or two and will surrender and so on and so on, now we have a very different picture . light, i understand, heat, gas, water, and so on, even today i remember that not only factor a and hospitals, but children will learn, you understand that those blackouts also deprive our children of learning online, because they do not go to school anymore, being online is very important factors that have a great influence on society and will give a very bad start to

the development of our nation. thank you for the novel svitanok . excuse me, please, we have a guest from poland. we have to switch to him. ignatoreshchenko of the air force command of the armed forces of ukraine and they were with us and more or less informed us about what is happening on the fronts and with the air force of ukraine now in our country lu adam historians, an expert on eastern european issues from poland, he speaks ukrainian, i am told here, and this means that we will be able to communicate freely, mr. lukash, can you hear us or see us, i think that we have not contacted him yet, we can discuss now this story for yourself because you see what it is, as they say, please, congratulations

, congratulations, mr. lukasz adamsky, an expert on eastern european historians from poland. good health, mr. lukasz, mr. adamskii, how do you view this whole story surrounding the investigation hit by a rocket, of course, we want to express our condolences once again for the death of your compatriots in the lublin voivodeship, because you see, a war can also fall on the territory of poland, we were not afraid of such a situation from the very beginning of the war, it was probably a surprise for the population quickly, very quickly, the polish authorities understood that it was rather a ukrainian missile that hit svoboda in the area, and not a russian one, and at first the poles

were afraid that and returned directly to the involvement of poland in the war, and instead, they began to ask questions about ukraine in principle, and these were questions not out of a claim that ukraine, defending itself against terrorist attacks on tuesday, tried to shoot down the russian army, as it should be, everyone understood what this was it is absolutely abnormal, it is natural to expect that ukraine can fight in the face of russian aggression. you will try to make russian archites . that it was a russian walkie-talkie and then when the evidence that it was a ukrainian missile

got married and multiplied, president zelensky bridged kuleba so that for long hours they talked about the fact that the missile was russian-made and launched by the russian and armed forces, and this slightly undermined the trust in ukrainians and put it in a balloon situation. the argument at hand is that ukraine is not a reliable partner yes, but i think that it is all right now, after president zelensky himself said that he no longer has a term for education, this matter is simply being forgotten gradually and in a week

and no one is talking about it there won't be, but look, mr. lukasz, and in principle, are there any sociological studies on whether the poles believe or not that the poles believe that nato will come to the rescue, because there is a lot of speculation in kyiv, and in general, there is even more speculation , certainly in moscow, what does anyone say that this is poland it will not help you, it seems that ukrainian speculations are dictated by russian pressures, i can absolutely agree here, that is, to what extent is the belief of the polish population of polish society in poland that in the case of some really acute situations, america, nato will intervene and protect the polish land, you know, i will be honest i don't remember that this is how questions were asked to polish

public opinion, although they always try to use all these polls with polls and monitor, instead, among experts, politicians, and there is absolutely no doubts about the fact that, for example, the candidate britain and the united states will come to help, he will come to read the staff , of course, it is worth it, now there was already distrust in germany, in relation to france, in terms of their readiness to defend on alia, here i remind you that, for example, the presentation of biden, i say many times that nato will defend every piece of nato territory, and he repeated his statement when he was in warsaw in march of this year, and in principle, if there are no high- quality ones, then he will defend poland, and in principle, i don’t even want to, because much more vulnerable lithuania or estonia are vulnerable, but there is no doubt about the quality here, but it is very strange. well,

on the other hand, the story that poland is negotiating the purchase of 200 brake machines is not surprising. well, the ukrainians are definitely saying that some experts say that maybe among those two hundred there are 50 for ukraine, and with on the other hand, just 200 high-mars is a huge number. these are probably all high-mars, which are more high-mars or than everyone has or the entire army of turkey has, and the turkish army is very large, so what does this mean, it's just to scare moscow so that it doesn't even think attack poland by 200 haimarians - it's just very, very, very many of us there, there are a dozen and a half of them and we are fighting and actually broke the situation at the front well, i'll say it a little differently, poland

has always been the last few years, so the army should to be not only me, but also a contingent for interventions in their remote regions of the world, but the polish army must be numerous and powerful enough so that in the worst case, even if the allies of the the number of all kinds of this army was a sufficient guarantee that no one, that is, the russians, who are looking for it, will not dare to make any provocations against poland, and then when this full-scale war began here in ukraine, here on putin, the government made a decision that, for the time being, it will greatly increase the expenses for the defense of the state and uh well, of course everyone understands that this and the process will be fine, well, that's at least a few

years, but these poland want to buy weapons from south korea from the united states for the most modern types of weapons guy marcel yes well, i don't know for sure even number but at will poland had one of the most powerful armies in europe because it is also er press from the state not only as if a sense of security but also certain prestige and i would say more attention in international relations that is exactly how turkey is er proof of that well, lucas, they will say that in a few weeks this story with the fall of the rocket will be forgotten, but there may be new shelling, both by ukrainian air defenses and by russian ones, if they fire intensively near the country, sooner or later something else will happen, you correctly said that in this happened to moldova in poland. it could be the

third, fourth, fifth time. where will the moment be when they say in warsaw that some kind of security zone is really needed for poland itself and for other nato countries that have borders with ukraine, just to prevent the possibility of weapons getting into the country? to their territory. i think that the missile was indeed russian, not so russian-made, but simply aimed at russia, and if it was not uh, well , it is an absolute exception, we currently have one case. but such a situation was repeated, well, it is i have already left the reason for relying, probably not on the fifth article of the washington treaty about ours, but on the fourth article, that is, the article that talks about about consultations in the event of a situation that significantly threatens the security of

data given to a third party. but i think it's just a few such or one provocation from russia or several such several such cases and everyone understands that what can happen well, but i would say that at the moment i understand that from the point of view of the interests of ukraine, if i understand someone else's well, i myself time during the war, i was also in lviv, in kyiv, and part of me even lives in ukraine, that is, i understand the feeling of ukrainian citizenship, but from the point of view of poland and polish security, this situation is like, well, it is quite good, in the sense that it is not revenge directly involved in the war, but all of us, with all our might, could help ukraine in this case. well, it is the third donor, for example, of military aid after the usa and great britain, and if you look at the number on the

number in relation to the gross product across the board, it is national, much even more than the usa or great britain do. well, i would like this situation to continue. so that it was not directly forced to fight with russia, and either , first of all, it is a democracy and, er, the government cannot er, can hold out if it is to directly call for his country to plunge into war with a nuclear power, and maybe one more question. and did he ask one more question in poland? well, there are rumors reaching us, i haven't read it personally . at the g20, how promising is it, how serious is it, how much is it

it is possible because hmm if you look at the volume of the polish economy, as far as i remember it is 21 22 23 and in all the finals and very close to this to this such a border to this border yes 20 of the most powerful economic states and the thing is because it doesn't exactly make such a decision. yes, it must be the decision of the most influential countries to throw russia out of this. and i ask you to accept it, and i think that uh, even uh, this last one will be the last one in the future, and he proved that although in this group, mostly the majority have supporters of e-e democracy of protection

international law on the protection of ukraine, and there, er, all of russia, was there anyone else who abstained from the video voting and not very strongly criticized the russian war against ukraine, again we see that there is more or less half of the country that supports supports ukraine but also a few dozen who support copied there are quite a few experts refrain from video voting well at least the name is well and that's why it's not just a solution nearby i like a check in any case e-mail still has ambitions and i just don't know how how these ambitions how long eh hmm eh maybe it will be possible to combine it with the state of the economy. yes, we all uh in poland are also losing from the war

from the injection. and this, too, complicates the situation a little bit. well, thank you, the lady historian, an expert on eastern europe, explained to us what the poles think, what the situation is in poland, and we now know more than before the meeting with mr. lukasz . time we later i'll just transfer to john the coat of arms from the director of the eurasia center of the atlantic council, and he was once the ambassador of the confederations in ukraine from the third to the sixth year, and now he's just the director of this center. well, while he's gone, there's no connection, vitaly and i will share our thoughts vitaliy if you want to start , please, or we can answer the questions already

with us. i think that we may still have time regarding poland. i think that we do too. we also have to say that it is very important for us not to become conspiracy theorists here. in society has a huge mistrust of us and this scares me because if we agree around that too much can't protect anyone, so we can do everything yes yes because if russia realizes that nato is not going to protect anyone that the united states they are gathering, it will be in warsaw , that is, not now, we will certainly defeat it, well, we will defeat it, then they will make new missiles, they will go again if they believe that these imperial territories should be returned, they will fight for it, the only chance to stop them is yes for our country to remain territories, people, it is too much if we believe that nato is an ineffective defense system, this is a sentence for ukrainian statehood by and large. i believe that nato is an effective

defense system, the most effective that existed in the history of the 20-21st tapes, this does not mean that nato should throw this into the war at the first good opportunity, it even takes real investigations into what will happen , what will go wrong. this is how it will be even if talks about war begin, people are taking washington, brussels, warsaw and so on and so on lukash correctly said something like that, and if this is a democracy, no leader of a democratic country will want it. it's simple. let's start a war with a nuclear state, and there is another moment when they say, you know, it was actually a russian missile, but they don't want to say that in a democratic state , so no. it happens that this means our deep distrust of our own institutions, which we are trying to project onto the democratic institutions of the real world, the world in which we still belong. some spirology does not happen in the west the parliamentary commission or the american congress

or the polish diet made these decisions that it wants to have information and that's it, if there are any doubts, even if they are small, and in this situation, it's absolutely obvious that then the people who will hide it, a russian missile hit, and president biden and did president duda hide it for the military? is it resignation for presidents? is it impeachment for the ruling parties - this is a loss of power because it is a loss of trust because you didn't tell us today and tomorrow you will. what have you managed already? i'm not even talking about the press, which with its nose, polish or american, will definitely be found if someone doesn't . and it's

watergey , it's in general. also in the fact that here we are standing right between russia and europe. we are still not europeans for a european, it is what it is. in russia, conspiracy is really behind the scenes. hello, what do you do? don't tell them, but tell them. don't do this, do this. it is there. maybe we can see it myself it is difficult for him in germany and poland to do something like this, just someone quietly did something, it is impossible , some person will definitely be found. does the prime minister or someone violate a has any other opinions, do something in private for this article, there will be huge circulations, there will be huge money

paid, people will earn money, and the newspaper, the television, the enterprise - this is also profitable, right? for a journalist to find something that is being hidden from someone. that's why they are like those dogs who are looking for what they want to find, starting with the paparazzi and some princess and ending with some big political circumstances that everyone wants to find, expose, show and make a name for themselves, so that tomorrow they will offer him 20 newspapers, 20 television shows, various options for employment, and so on and so on, so keep in mind that conspiracy is not a non-working scheme that is being organized. will also hit poland, romania, hungary, nato will still say that they missed, it doesn't

happen with anyone well, that's what it's called, and it's the first , again, nato will say that they missed , so if it has clear evidence that it was you shelling ukraine and not a planned shelling of the territory of nato member countries, this is an investigation. it is being conducted, the trajectory of the missile is being studied, the course of the missile and everything else . it is not difficult. it is tracked and this is well, a week at the most, and that is why i absolutely agree with mr. lukash, which is already a pity that the ukrainians immediately said that it was a russian missile, because it is also checked, it will also be checked immediately, you will be told that you guys are wrong, it is not russian, we do not blame you, we we understand everything, we know that there is a war, we know that there can be such an accident and so on and

so on, but it is necessary, well, even during a war, when all civilized humanity is on our side, to restrain ourselves, this is how i am hinting to someone over there on the mountain hold back and do not speak until the verification. so vitaliy is right, if there is a hangover to romania , to poland, they will check to find out, understand the intentions, is it on purpose or is it accidental ? the verdict of mh17 ended yesterday. no longer up to three three out of four but they rocked honestly they didn’t know that it was a civilian plane it doesn’t excuse them yes they still got everything proven everything laid down but if

this is a civilized country it doesn’t lie until we let's understand that we are leaving the country of the soviet union, which lied, we are constantly trying to spend to a country that does not lie, nothing will be of any use, so it was with the former haslavia, but in croatia, a beautiful democratic country, they said that the serbs committed war crimes. and to me, because we are beautiful, democratic, all armies are at war commit war crimes, unfortunately, because the army consists of the people of ukraine, there may be good intentions, patriotic, it hurts with its freedom, and there are different people among people, there are criminals in the best army in the world, the american army had them. if there are american ones, can they be ukrainian and that a british soldier can be a criminal? why can’t he be ukrainian? does it hurt the reputation of the army ? they say he's a criminal , she says and we never see him, and you at all , let him do whatever he wants. and if

ukraine wants to be part of the civilized world, and if ukraine is not part of the civilized world, svetlana disappears, we will have to do a lot of unpleasant things because it cannot be that in this war there are soviet people on both sides. if we are soviet people in a war with the russians and hide and hide all this and so on and believe in what their conspiracy theory is otherwise, we will obviously lose not this war, but the next one. no, well, for us, you know, on the right, on the left, to civilization, on the right, to russia . after all, they were banned because they are immoral, whether or not the trunks will not work. you will not have to obey all the rules of the civilized world, and who does not like the russian language, you know they spoke it. come to russia, fight with lgbt people, there are no problems, moreover, i laugh a lot with

my friends as much as i have to. for example if ukraine really gets on the road to the european union, think about moonshine, about lard, and does ukrainian moonshine itself meet european standards , it must be registered as a commercial one. that's all for a very long time, and if ukraine registers lard as a brand, then no. and no poles and germans, no one else, it will be ukrainian lard, of course, which can be registered by unesco and everything and everything. goodbye , and that is why we can register many things for you, but keep in mind to register it, specialists will come and say whether it is not harmful to health or can it be used, how it affects them, they will say yes, everything is fine, then the registration procedure begins, so mozzarella can be

used, and the lard cannot be drained off. i don't understand, no there, too, they checked for 150 years to understand. well, it’s just that few people know about ukrainian lard in europe, they ate mozzarella even before italy was created in general, how the european community was created, but people went and walked around rome and ate mozzarella here. the question is if the usa was able to persuade for ukraine, kazakhstan should give up nuclear weapons, can it even cross her mind to offer nuclear weapons to russia? when ukraine is naked and barefoot, financial support is needed. and she will agree to the terms of the loan, this is also a strange, strange attitude we speak to reality we will live without light we will suffer we do not need all this we will never surrender to russia and russia from the point of view of mrs. natalya she will agree to any conditions i will not want to suffer for the sake of preserving nuclear

weapons the possibility of blackmail here is so much more will want to than ukrainians, who are used to living in much better conditions than russians, and there is no need to do anything, firstly, secondly, russians are naked and bossy. it has oil, gas, natural resources, and sells all this. in such a state that stanislav has been in such poverty for a long time. and what about the second. keep in mind the word timing, an important word that has no translation, that is, the appropriate time, and when it was the first half of the 90s , everyone was euphoric. yanenko, about whom it cannot be said that they are not patriots, they suspect something that they are not about western politicians, but they did not believe that such a putin and such a war were possible, so

they were other fields, absolutely, the era of this red monster of the soviet union is over. one moment when they say that the united states of america persuaded ukraine kazakhstan was the first time nobody persuaded anyone when from the bialowieza forest the president of russia the president of ukraine the chairman of the verkhovna rada of belarus called president bush and told him we decided here that we will be sovereign states the soviet union is ending its existence president bush who was not going to agree with the sovereignty of these countries, he said and what will happen to nuclear weapons, this is a question of what will happen to nuclear weapons, he was told that they will remain in the russian federation in our country there will be a unified amendment, otherwise, in general, this whole story from independence ended with the unification of ukraine, belarus, kazakhstan, and russia into one state in the united states, before this would have led to this situation , they perfectly understood that they should support russia, which wants to unite these countries in an updated

union, because this is the only way to preserve nuclear security, that no illusions are needed, no one was going to exchange ukrainian independence for the preserved one for the creation of several more nuclear states, and therefore, by the way, no illusions are needed invented that if russia disintegrates, then there will be 10 nuclear states, there will not be one large nuclear state and everyone will do things in the west , it is possible for it to be one large even under the leadership of putin, but only one because five nuclear states is a step towards what one of them is that tomorrow everyone will become hello what are you talking about tomorrow in education we will be neighbors of nuclear russia which will have its own dialogue with washington and we became part of this dialogue because we are victims of aggression and we must use this moment because it can happen that it the only historical moment is that most of the countries of central europe do not have such relations with america because no one even attacks