which wants to unite these countries in a renewed union because this is the only way to preserve nuclear security, that no illusions are needed, no one was going to exchange ukrainian independence for the preservation of the creation of several more nuclear states before and therefore, by the way, no illusions are needed fiction that if russia disintegrates, there will be 10 nuclear states, there will not be one large nuclear state and everyone will do what they do in the west. it is possible for it to be one large one, even under the leadership of putin, but only one because five nuclear states are a step towards the fact that one of them will be like that tomorrow everyone will become hello, what are you talking about now, to the white-eyed world, we will be neighbors of nuclear russia, which will conduct its own dialogue with washington. and we became part of this dialogue because we are victims of aggression and we must use this moment to what can happen, that this is the only historical moment, most of them, except for central europe, do not have such relations with america, because no one even attacks. do you ever

remember the years of solidarity, so that poland was poland, all americans wore polish colors, everything it was well, because poland was a victim of russia, it happens like this, and not just with great love, continue , let's read what it is with us. here i am, here is my answer, mrs. natalya, very simple and beautiful, she cannot make a willful legal decision . security system and what could be the consequences, because it will lead to a nuclear first of all, and

so on, so these talks about voluntary decisions. look at the candidacy of ukraine in the european community, this was a voluntary decision, but not what they said. come in, we are opening the door, come in, you have to do this, that , that then you will remain a candidate. and when you leave the candidate, you have to do and then open the road to years of exhausting hard work and making decisions that ukrainian society, like all countries , will not like the candidates didn't like them, but they all went to this one because they understood that they had no alternative, you want to be a part of european civilization, push your ambitions too far and everyone here doesn't like it oh, we will be the most independent, the most influential no, we will just be poor, where urbanized , depopulated is an industrialized country that should become a country with a large population with

a large industry and with large cities, in order for all this to happen, we must clearly forget about the fact that we were soviet people with archaic talentless values ​​yes yes and we have no it was not it was not easy and we have so much time but we will still talk john herb director of the eurasia center of the atlantic council us ambassador to ukraine from the third to the sixth year, we will speak russian. i think john knows ukrainian, but he knows russian better. hello , hello, mr. ambassador. good evening. be with you. well, let's start with this wonderful meeting. birds on tails, after which, by the way, the director of the central dawn administration flew to kyiv. don't look. i arrived. i already have a reservation for you. well, he will fly soon. discuss with our president

, this is very important, something very important. the details of these negotiations are what they mean. what do you think the press is writing, so that it's just a nuclear strike, or what are you talking about? i still had according to yours what was there van woe yes what was good in ankara exactly vopros i didn’t need to speak for so long i just know that they are fasting so i understood this war and the termination of the russian game with and against ukraine, but we do not know this, and i do not speak, and such a conversation happened between us, but i can explain it to lady, even without such an option , because, uh, bronze in the region, all of this is all by my

own and my opponent is from moscow, and i am definitely your sveta raises questions in kiev, i mean that we provide help to ukraine for slavery, because my series what ukraine won this war makes sense for the director of the game, the hysteria of russia to come to kiev to talk about his conversation, the screenwriter can explain the visit, but i do not exclude the second possibility although i am not saying that such an opportunity is actually what happened, it happened, but, mr. ambassador, it is very difficult to

imagine that the russians are sitting in turkey, saying, well, conditionally for 3 hours and they never remembered ukraine and all they talked about was a nuclear strike , how many of you have a nuclear strike? and how will it be, and how do we not recommend you to fight and drop nuclear bombs ? questions that are written, for example, and this contract start and general destruction i5 i was a diplomat these numbers for one hour

, the law made me angry mr. bronze i thought that i understood more political opinion and the external course of the political course of the biden administration and i can again widgets such a session between the bronze and the final one, in which they do not pay much attention or even any attention to the war that is now happening in ukraine. well, i must add here that if the bronze was shared with the bride, and by our decision, even a branch for the use of russian weapons of mass destruction in the ukrainian war, this also applies to this war, ambassador. it seems to me that there is the

most important question. well, maybe i am wrong. but here is what i am asking you. there is an understanding in the american and establishment that russia is a big problem. it makes sense to think about what to do with russia in an hour, in two, in three, in five, to understand that this problem will not end with the end of the war, no matter how ukraine's war with russia ends, but russia is a world problem, the russian question or the kremlin threat today. communities acrobatic threat and i expect in the end a

ukrainian victory in this war and it will be a novel blow, this is a general kremlin threat and probably such a threat cannot remain after the defeat of russia in ukraine but you are right that even after this simple question, it will be important , and i know that people there think, well, in my opinion, it is more important that we pay full attention to our

attempt and to this defeat. the minister of defense of the united states says that the military solution of the ukrainian russian war is the complete liberation of the territory of russia, ukraine , captured by russia. of such a political decision, to what extent is this the personal opinion of the general, or is it not some kind of signal from moscow and kiev, which is being discussed in washington, which is being discussed with the administration of the president of the united states ? what is this opinion ? taylor and steve had the opportunity to chat with their colleagues for a few hours in june, and i know that in general he believes that america should send more advanced weapons to ukraine,

which the administration is still not ready for. pass on and that's why his statement in this and me this week on the subject matter about me was surprised and i'm sure that you know he twice on sunday jason spoke and he said that we don't see america we don't see this moment as a good moment for negotiated because russia still has the intention of powering you in ukraine , so listen to me, they understand why, my dear, they also spoke on a simplified sunday, well, for this week, the full

ukrainian victory is amazing, it’s one thing, it’s an opportunity, it’s an opportunity, and he’s speaking like that but if it's true, then it's a game. how is it? well, it's better to just say that we didn't understand. why does he act like that until it's not politics? it's not the position of the administration. thank god because when the special spoke that this is not a moment for negotiations with russia for another hour, bright ukraine, once and

for all if it generalizes, but when it destroys the infrastructure, what if they went to negotiations, it means that negotiations are waiting for capitulation, they are agreements. in ukraine, the time for negotiations will come when the kremlin's cone is understood. such dictation, dictation is simply impossible, then russia will be

ready to negotiate for a lasting peace, not peace to the military military game, we thank the lord, the ambassador, the ambassador, john herobs, the director of the eurasia center of the atlantic council, the former ambassador of the united states to ukraine and a friend of ukraine. thank you very much. all the best, mr. john . thank you. the energy sphere of kyiv will be bombed next because the situation is already critical or even catastrophic will survive the short answer will survive do you understand i will tell you such a very simple thing just again it is necessary to understand that putin and probably all his

entourage are people who have read few books, do not know history, do not know philosophy, do not know military science, and so on. there were no cases in recent history, that is, the second world war, when these mass bombings would have led to something in the first place, also by the way there were already bombings, but there was london and the whole of britain, there was dresden, and half of germany was tokyo, which were practically destroyed. what happened in hitler's germany and in democratic britain and in the ukrainian village of the soviet union and win-persian japan, it did not lead to anything, it means there will be bonfires and we will sit and cook on the

bonfires, imagine that tomorrow the people of kyiv, the people of lviv, the people of kharkiv who have survived all this will come i mean the people of kharkiv and they will say let's surrender let 's end the war we lost we went to surrender to the russians well it's not even strange that he read and didn't read he was born in leningrad now by the way this is a blockaded city people there didn't even think about the fact that they should let the hitlerites in, they had their own problems, they didn't like the party leadership, which was just fine there and it was considered that they could do whatever they wanted. but at the same time, they believed that it was impossible, that they could not surrender to the enemy. i did not like these people, the communists, and i was not in solidarity with the soviet government, but it was a completely different situation in the politics of bones. by the way, he was absolutely right in italy. the

stalinist purges that fell on leningrad were one of the strongest, they mowed down everyone, but he came the invader and despite the fact that literally the day before yesterday leningrad was shot en masse - it was you who said no, no, we will not let hitler in, well, this is such an effect of war, and that's why i really don't really understand what the idea is. capitulated i apologize in order for ukraine to capitulate capitulate its army must be destroyed the army is not a civilian population besides i have one more important thing no matter what during the second world war these countries were hermetically sealed which were bombed and destroyed you couldn't get anywhere from germany, it was closed, they didn't let anyone into the soviet union, no one could get in from great britain, and no one could go anywhere in particular, it's the same with japan, it's the same here, it's still

an open country with open borders in the west , people can leave they can bring something , generators, there are some small houses, that's all, and a big humanitarian aid route, people from the east can go to the center from the center back to the west, receive all these cargoes from other countries, leave that is, reducing the load on the energy industry and it is much more difficult to do everything than when the country is airtight, so i really mean nothing but sadism , this is such a sadistic pleasure, but i will tell you, i see logic in this sadistic pleasure, i don’t know if you do, i think that this is not logic a real war, because putin is considered a civil war, the serfs don't listen to us , the nobles, yes, he doesn't even want to win in this way, he wants to punish just this punishment, they are

wrong russian, we will just get rid of them now normal conditions for life, because only proper russians have a good life, and we are correct , and that's why i literally went to work this morning on the people's money, i thought about it . i respect the beautiful pripalt accent, but the georgian one is funny, it’s funny, but it’s good, it’s a ditch. that’s why it’s menshova , we’re less, you’re such non-drozians, and here these non- russians allow themselves, russians don’t understand, listen to what they say, that’s how we had to surrender because we are so weak, we russians, well, it is not surprising

that they are like that, and that is why it is necessary for us to understand that, therefore, no one would be left alive until this someone would say, i am russian . этот shevchenko oh guns i can't i can't say luhansk yes yes yes speak luhansk i will stand i will stand in front of the mirror lucasso oh parsley so beautiful yes yes yes yes in our russian, yes, the british prime minister sunah declared on exactly those 27 there something like that decision you can't throw russia out of the g20 because it seems to be a wider group of countries that works according to the principle of

consensus. i don't know, i can only say that this is not a group of democratic countries for sure . as in jee seven and this is a group of democratic countries where elections are regularly held, they are competitive, there is an opposition, you respect human rights, private property, and so on, he said so. this is a wide group of countries that must work according to the principle consensus consensus on the exclusion of russia from the group of 20 cannot be found because half of the countries of the group of 20 i want russia to be half there and this is also what the ukrainians care to understand once again the majority of the population of the earth does not support ukraine in this war because the majority of the state they are neutral, although they were already a victory, because more than half of the population of the earth does not live in

democratic wings. we want to join what is called the golden billion . silver and bronze, and these people do not live in a democratic world for them. putin, who is fighting with ukraine today, is a hero who is fighting with the west, and of course, if he destroyed ukraine, they would all heave a sigh of relief that the west lost because then all african, asian, latin american otaki dictatorships look, the dictatorship is cool, it defeated democracy, so the dictatorship has a future, so let's give venezuela and then north korea and then iran, and then many african countries will continue to build. these are the ones anti-democratic regimes and all of china, let's not say that this is a kind of democracy in the western sense. india seems to be the largest democracy in the world, but it is also so

peculiar. this week, the prime minister of canada just publicly criticized the prime minister of canada. tell me what, how, why, because we are a democratic country, we are not china, we have no options to say, you are hiding here, well, about that, about what we talked about today, people live in different worlds, and they don't understand reality really listen well cat russia putin chinese leaders north korean leaders they do not understand how it is possible to call a press conference of all without exception not prepared in advance and all without a department came and asked now we see that putin is refusing some regular new year's press conference there precisely because and what he, but suddenly someone will get there alone no, it’s not even true that no one can get there, but the very fact that

he is still there will not be questions at all, often with kherson well, yes, why are the nazis doing there, and if there won't be any of these questions today, how did you sleep well today, yes, yes, yes, how do you like the weather, and the economy is growing oh well, yes, that is, you can't ask about the economy, you can't ask about the war, you can't ask about kherson, you can't, oh, there's not much and show me to write poor poor putin yes, they were happy that he sat for wonderful press conferences, oh, ask me, i’m crazy, oh, vadim valeevich, masha, senadyr masha, ask and please tell me why we don’t have a christmas tree on the central street of the city, why and yes, ana immediately fitzkoh chooses him now. why will no one be like that? we are writing about the possible sudden fall of the

putin regime. how do you evaluate such assumptions , will the system change then, because putin is not the only one out there, i would say so at the moment, i say yes, everything is possible. but there is a very long distance from the prerequisites to the fact. i always give a very simple example that this situation is not yet fully developed and it may not develop tomorrow , but it will develop in months. who is mrs. hanna anna petrovna, she walks every day and every day the dog breaks away and also walks somewhere, and it is exactly 10 km from the motorcade, just miss it, no, but i say that we simply do not imagine that the world gives so many examples of so -called accidental cases that a dog maybe that

motorcade moved 20 pieces every day, but there comes a moment when this one, oh you bitch, you killed our beloved anna petrovna dog and then it will be a disaster, i.e. everything is possible, now everything really is at the top, as the great lenin learned, the bottom is not yet let's say they don't want yes they don't want they know what yes they already doubt that but they don't say that yes and the top is obviously no longer controlled i it's like it was a year who believes that the federal security service of the russian federation is a system forming an organization for russia and questions not in the point . the question is that this organization has proven its inability to manage the country, the organization is not putin , because all these people, yes, all these people, what is putin, what is patroshev, what is bortnikov, so that everyone associated with them turns out to be absolute idiots, that's what the problem is

idiots in his perception of the world, they had everything in the world, the economy, oil, gas, money, the co-west, huge opportunities, they suddenly decided that they should fight for, it is not clear why, several hundreds of kilometers away in someone else's territory, simply because they consider it their own, so it was written in the book of illina, and this says that they are simply idiots, this is conspiracy theory, they actually lived for 10 years, stealing, filling their pockets, and, accordingly, resting on the southern coast of france, and everything would be wonderful. that the regime is can be devalued only by the federal security service of the russian federation . is there an alternative to the regime of the fsb of russia now? there must be some forces like when the state security committee of the soviet union appeared, which put an end to the caper regime using internal difficulties, the following will appear forces that will be

able to challenge the fsb or within the fsb it is also possible some liberal so-called group there, it is called the foreign intelligence service, the management laughed at us when he was on at the security council meeting, i said i was in favor of the accession of putin. well, of course, they have already decided . it's a run, even though it's a bone, but now thanks to the war, they can decide that they have a simple choice, either a military coup or an approach to the foothills, that's it, that's absolutely vitaliy pravyy that now the number of crises is accumulating and it may not be it's just a life crisis, either me or not. and when it

will suddenly start, we don't know. this doesn't mean that we know, but we can assume to imagine that if 25 generals find out that tomorrow they have harakiri, they say listen, maybe we don't have to obey, that's not why they will do it they don't like putin, what's more , they can fly out and can honestly say that putin is bad. because he fought poorly, he didn't prepare, he didn't do it, it's not, it should have been tougher, you're a chekist, you have to correctly assess the political situation, it's our job to fight, and you're there to understand who is popular in ukraine and who does not understand what you are not working for and that is why at this moment the people are silent. it is obvious that the elites can do something that when and how is it that there is a revolutionary situation in one

center of the upper powers. they definitely do not control , they do not understand how in they want a new situation, no, they still want more. so they crossed their fingers and say, oh damn, it’s gone. they all say two or three more months. how early and how early, that’s how to get home by march, and that’s how early. how early, it won’t be anymore. in our broadcast, too, we are finishing up opportunities as in the beginning of the broadcast so that putin has the opportunity to run out, but not yet, but we are saying goodbye for a week tomorrow we will meet , but not together anymore in turn and we wish you all a good, quiet good night, for example