and he said that you must first take power and only then win the elections haha ​​and i think that this is very correct in that case. now our main goal is the russian stage, they already understand that uh-uh defeat is already uh- and here, of course, this is the main thing that the armed forces of ukraine is doing right now. but then, it is necessary to address the level of dissatisfaction of ordinary citizens. it is very big, but they need to see the real strength. they will not join other weaknesses, and now this is the main problem in russian the position that she demonstrates weakness is not force and power can only be exclusively armed and this is the one that must be done now. thanks to liu ponomaryev,

a russian oppositionist, former news of the state duma, we got into russia a little bit into the russian heads of the heads in front of all the elites and understand roughly what is happening there in those heads. i agree with mr. and ponomaryev because i wrote in one newspaper back in the 90s that it was, i think, the only such one in general, not about the fact that if there are no small victories, at least small ones, there can be no big victories. at that time, the ukrainian opposition was constantly defeated, and then the fourth year happened, then the 14th, then kyiv, then kharkiv, then kherson, and you already know the taste of the victory of the ukrainians in ukrainian mouths. an important psycho-psychological

phenomenon is now about electricity, heat, water, and so on and so on and so on, we will talk with oleksiy kucherenko to the people's deputies, the first deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee on energy issues and in general, a person who is one of of the best in ukraine, it means water, electricity, gas, canal and sewerage, everything that you have in your apartment, but on these issues , oleksiy, a great, great specialist, and in their absence today, good health, oleksiy, thank you for finding us time on saturday, but i would like to ask well, we just now had a break, i spoke with these colleagues and they say that it is a very difficult situation, that half of the power system is destroyed, and it is ah, well, it is destroyed, it is damaged from beams, and the second

is other experts, different things, but other experts to me it's not just people who just see it and feel it, but experts say that ukraine has a very strong energy system and even say that we are proud that there are two countries in europe with a very strong energy system - this is france and this is ukraine and this and this means that, in principle, it is impossible to finish it to the end, what do you say to oleksiy yakub, draw an analogy . look, there are some organisms, even human ones. yes, it is already a very strong organ, but temporarily, well, they killed it. excuse me, a leg, an arm, yes, we are disabled there. we can normally to carry out vital activities, but to say that 50%

of the body is destroyed well, that is absolutely wrong . the energy system consists of our nuclear state for 15 years. they stood and are still standing from thermal stations, of which 22 sides are counted in road accidents and necks. they stood standing, including in the lviv region. ukrenergo and the high-voltage network it is standing, but in some cities it is broken, these nodal transformer substations that connect all

vocal networks into a single energy system and with europe they connect, they have suffered the most today, that is why circulation is extremely difficult today because of this, we we can't from the station everything they can produce. we can't consume it because the vessels are broken, but the state is ready, they can heat up and give us the power that you can't deliver to us, logistics, so here are these scaremongers, well they are absolutely wrong, really the enemy knows where the ear is. why does he know because this system is loved or not, but it was not built during the soviet times, the soviet country for the expansion of soviet ukraine in energy to europe, our stations, our networks had this export of soviet electricity as well as gas yes, well, it was a political, political, such a task, there are such ones, we will

separate from the soviet union, and it does not exist today, but the system was built very reliably and, unfortunately, we finished it, we amortized it, and it but there was enough of it left, and unfortunately the enemy knows where to hit because it was the only soviet power system, so unfortunately even the missiles that fly in despite the fact that look how many are shot down yes, but some of them fall and fall right here at this logistics center i'll explain to you with my fingers what's happening. look , today the outrage is huge there. well, what's up there? kyiv, the kyiv region, and by the way, today is much better in kyiv and the kyiv region, why am i talking about this, because i am convinced that this is the main goal of the enemy is to withdraw not only the power system of the kyiv region, but first of all to incite political and

social dissatisfaction among the population so that they go out and block the streets unfortunately , today we saw a song in odessa, you understand and they demanded something, it is clear what they demanded, yes, first give us electricity, then how long can we sit without electricity and then as long as this war is possible, it is probably the calculation of the enemy and we do not even have the right, we do not have the opportunity to think why we can play this game with him because it is the main today, you understand the argument and the weapon. putin’s main weapon is not at the front. excuse me, either the north or the south or the east. yes, there are very fierce battles there, but he will not reach the mouth there. that is why he concentrated on those powerful strikes on the energy front of ukraine and we, we had the will, we all became participants and fighters of this

energy front, even if we do not imagine it yet. but we all have already proven that we are fighters. in our trenches, in our apartments, in our homes, we take part in this battle in one way or another, including when somehow we survive when there is no electricity or there is no heat or water. but fortunately there are energy companies, there are utility workers, and they can fix it in a certain time, although there are inconveniences, to put it mildly, and they will be and they will be no less than they were until today. unfortunately well, unfortunately, i guarantee, but i don't want to compare myself with churchill, but i'll just remind you of his quote in the 40th year when he became prime minister, i can't promise you anything but blood, sweat, and tears, yes. they went through the war you understand a then, by the way, they didn't elect churchill in the 45th year of the premier back with you oleksiy, i look before i

ask the last question today i would ask the people of odessa who are dissatisfied to think about something are they worse than the londoners are they worse than the dresdeners are they worse than them for uh, that's the end, because just for memory, these are the three cities that were bombed and bombed, and from different sides, if we're talking about london, then hitler bombed it, if we're talking about dresden, then churchill bombed it, yes, against hitler. and if we let's talk about the currents, the americans bombarded against imperial japan and they withstood it. it never happened that these shellings led to defeats. will the ukrainians be the first in this big list? and my question to mr. oleksiy is the last . i don't know the equipment there that can be

quickly brought to ukraine quickly because we all understand. i absolutely agree with you that it will be restored, but what do the ukrainians want faster where it can be done in three days and done in three a not for four, unfortunately, unfortunately, i don’t want too much criticism, but i state that i have a deep conviction that we didn’t do what we had to do and manage the state, so to speak . therefore, a year ago, you accumulated transformers, switches, and relays. that is, this is the equipment that was damaged by the stove.

management in the energy complex, as well as legislation, is focused on the state of peace, where regulation , liberalization is some complete nonsense of an independent council, independent bodies that can be regulated, what kind of market today in general in the energy sector should be there, there should be an immediate imposed state of military emergency and a fully centralized management system with full personal responsibility, including the absolute responsibility of specific officials throughout the vertical, they lost even this single control room you understand, in the times of liberalization, it helps with everything it can, but unfortunately, we are not quite ready to quickly accept this help because there are appropriate procedures, there are customs, there are appropriate tax procedures, there are other unresolved logistical issues, and

the last one, unfortunately, is artificial goods, products, which. well, the west does not have these powerful transformers , you know how artificial they are, they cost 10-15 million dollars each. they are not on the market. i ordered you to place an order and wait six months, a year, that is. moreover, i say that maybe it was necessary if we really we were preparing for the war, well, with the big construction, it would be great for us to simultaneously make a big energy preparation in the form of this equipment, unfortunately, this did not happen, and now we , including us, will suffer because of this, although there may be further problems with gas and coal, this a separate song will be released somewhere in january, february, before the rest is necessary. well, let's live with optimism and faith , that's why we'll win now, there can't be any quarrels, uh, we'll sort it out there calmly, professional

atmosphere. who uh, where gave the bar, do you understand? we really have to be patient, as for odesa, they can’t, mr. oleksiy, i can’t, unfortunately, zori . this part of the program has already ended. well, you know, this often happens with presenters, or you listen to the guest or answer questions, if you listen and don't answer for me, people make comments to you, people write and you don't speak, and some people do the opposite they say, listen, it's interesting. oleksiy told me that he was crossed that september, so that's an option . let's go to answer the question of ms. sosillia. good evening, mr. mykola. when express expresso

moves to the shelter, you can hear the voices of other people who are next to you in the shelter. sometimes we hear ugly dogs, everything is understandable, but when children scream during a live broadcast, it is infuriating. are the children there without their mothers? why can't one of your colleagues tell them to play more quietly, don't scream so loudly because it's a live broadcast or news you and i are not considered and scream on purpose, so i want to say that we have a different approach. well, as far as i understand, i would definitely have a different one. if i were in charge of this channel, thank god i am not in charge because children are children. they have the right, when are you going to scream? at my age, it's already like that well, it can go crazy for rubbing that's why children let them have fun and we dress them so hard, they take them from the seventh floor to the

first basement hahaha maybe it doesn't want to, maybe it wants to eat, the poor thing wants to play there they keep it in that basement, even though hai will grow up at least something will show that the child will become an adult, it will not behave like this, in principle, you will not get anywhere in civilized countries, well, somehow, it is not so neat to make comments if a child screams anywhere, the child does not understand, that is why we are a child, and that is why we are fond of her we behave , understanding that she herself is poor and does not understand that there is some september here who leads some kind of program. because here we have a war and putin attacked and we have to go down to the valley during the bombing .

zelensky e-e on iryna wrote zelensky called on partners to show leadership in the implementation of the 10 steps of the peace formula, which of the partners can show this leadership is determined by who can lead us to negotiations with the russian federation, the conversations about which are being actively stirred up this week, some world leaders, taking into account the situation in their countries i really need this role of a peacemaker, so i am expressing my point of view, i may be wrong. asked and i answer you both in his words and mine. i say that these are so-called now. this is a fashionable phrase, these are russian narratives. why do ukrainians go to these narratives about negotiations, pressures, about something else, about something else? i don't know, i think out of habit, people

even wake up . some of my colleagues, journalists, wake up, turn on the computer and watch. first, well, maybe they are already ukrainian at first, but in second place is definitely russian, and in russian he says, oh, we need peace, and the ukrainians are already tired. let's do it somehow. peace and so on and the like and this is transferred to the whole universe that we already have america and everyone in the world is pressuring us, no one is pressuring, they are hinting maybe the french already, the germans are not hinting, the british on the contrary are hinting that you are continuing, the americans are hinting that you are continuing, they are not running away, i am saying directly the poles, lithuanians the older estonians, czechs, slovaks, they all say come on, come on, that's why all this talk is that someone is insidiously standing somewhere around the corner and

whispering let's give up give up give up all the time to win i don't know i haven't seen it in mind, do not use russian narratives, the word hello, the kremlin did not stop again, rynat did not stop, the mobilization is preparing for the next wave, we saw a part of the mobilization that has been going on in russia since september 21, it did not bring success, ork on the front , what does the kremlin count on when it gathers new people, when they start preparing food - to feed, to clothe, to provide with nothing, they will not provide anything . you know this obviously . petrova, there is such a wonderful moment when shura piles the weights, they are gold, and here he is, the pilgrims already

know that they are not gold, but the one who advises the weights understands that sooner or later everyone will find out that the weights are not gold, but ordinary, and this person will be beaten that's why putin is now standing as the one who advises continue the mobilization continue the armaments continue to say that you can do everything, that we are strong, we have such muscles, we will defeat everyone in a moment we have not started yet, we are not ready for negotiations with ukraine on any terms besides ours and yes пилити гири оны золотые because putin can guess, although he is probably the only one who least guesses that sooner or later sooner sooner i hope that sooner or later everyone will understand what material these weights are made of what material

russia is made of how strong it is how powerful it is the second army of the world, how big the economy is, how much energy there is, how well -armed the army is, how well-functioning infrastructure there is, how beautiful the establishment is, the bureaucracy, and so on and so forth we all already know everything, but they will continue to tell them, we are getting to know each other. it's just that you can't imagine when they tell you for tens or even hundreds of years that you are the invincible and legendary soviet army, to get it into your head that there will be not an invincible but a completely defeatable and legendary army ukrainian for the whole world, it is very difficult to put it in the russian head, do you mean

it ? the jewish parliament and if so, what does this give us, what further restrictions can be introduced, there can no longer be any restrictions, implemented, and nothing but the moral satisfaction of normal , decent people in the world, it does not give, there are some legal points that really strengthen something, but the number of sanctions yes, the number of military defeats in the first, second, and third place at the front from ukrainian weapons, diplomatic defeats on all fronts, legal defeats, as we saw in the gas in holland, in the netherlands, i invite you and diplomatically, you we saw at the ball that there are economic defeats and they will continue because since december price ceilings have been introduced for some energy resources that are not enough in

russia, but they will not be able to sell them for any decent prices, etc. keep in mind that it will be systemic, these are different things, what is systemic, and what is fast, when i am, of course , the financial and economic crisis, first of all, the world was assigned to it for a very long time and got used to it london stock exchange, yuyar stock exchange, tokyo stock exchange they already roughly understand and the governments of these countries understand what to do when there is a crisis, they take some steps, several steps, and in principle, after a year and a half, everything ends. welfare increases begin again, the systemic crisis does not end in six months and in one and a half and in 2.5 and in three and in five years, a systemic crisis will bite russia for

decades and decades, but remember this train as a steam train, at first the wheels are very slow . it will not be like that in one day, this crisis is as constantly acting as a phenomenon in the world. it really happens immediately, but it ends very quickly here, it will be stretched out for a long time, but then as soon as it bites, it will not let go many, many years ago, i think that economically and financially russia definitely doomed for these, you know , many people and anyone in europe cannot sit in the european parliament and do nothing. they have to do something. very often they do it

ineffectively, but when you sit here, i do something today talked to ponomaryov well, he would be sitting in kyiv , whether he is there in washington or in kyiv. he is a ukrainian citizen and he would sit and watch tv, or i don't know if there is a computer, and these are ordinary people who say i can't be acutely, i need to do something, and he wants to do something, and he creates something, they criticize him or something, it doesn’t matter, i won’t pass, but in principle, we need to do something to the people, and here they are with the albums of the european parliament , already from the sanctions, there are already a lot of things, something still needs to be done. come on let's sponsor terrorism well let's do what it gives but nothing well, i can't sit and do nothing when a ukrainian is suffering next to me, that's why such people want to do something , we must thank them, god grant that they do p mykola pasha pasha here olenka here pasha everyone is so e- on friday's broadcast with vitaly, you talked about

the fact that putin and the rest of the elite are idiots, they could enjoy life by relaxing on the seashore in france, having a huge amount of natural resources, building the economy, but they decided to start a war 300 km away from someone else's territory state because someone wrote in a book that this is their original russian land, i have a question about what would happen to ukraine, er, in the neighborhood of such a russia, in which direction would we move towards europe, or would we freeze in time as a post-soviet state with ties to russia is possible well, a short question, of course, you won’t read it to the end, write such an explanation, because it can be returned to die, it means again, so i started with this, sat on this horse and now they will sit on this horse, so i told you what the positive europeans who sit think in the european parliament is told that something must be done. we must somehow help. we cannot be

aloof. the same thing is what i am trying to get into putin's head. here he is sitting with his entourage in the kremlin . everything is beautiful. he has a big car. he has a big one. he has everything. what does he not get coppers the pipes are not enough, not enough, and you did not imagine your surroundings khreschatyk, spring is good weather, i think that the advice did not go immediately, putin is standing, the troops are coming, what beauty, what, that is, there is no logic here, there is this attraction to the beautiful, to the beautiful self. i am standing in a nice suit, the troops are marching, all the collaborators are clapping their hands, bread and salt

are standing nearby, well, he is not standing nearby, he is standing there at a distance . yanukovych crouched down, realizing that no one needs him, but temporarily he may be needed, but in principle not, and so on and on well, listen, well, like a drug. well, like a drug, he understood, imagined, convinced the environment, the environment. oh, and we will stand here, and here there will be people around . it just wasn't simple. keep this in mind, the russians would like it, there would be a famine here, a decrease in the population , it would be very difficult to live here, just to survive in the literal sense, not to live, but to live from the word life, but we would simply be limited by food and that was

it . well, not that patriots but just a person says i'm a ukrainian i don't know what's the fate as you said because i'm a small russian or i'm a russian okay and i'm a ukrainian no it doesn't fit that keep this in mind have we moved on or do our nato partners need an in-depth course in katsapology using there are no such formulations confirmation of the targeting of the shelling has not been proven, they had an intention inside nato territory, are they suggesting a path between the droplets as an impunity to commit further provocations, well, first of all , there was no provocation. well, how was this war from february 24 - it is a complete provocation, but keep in mind that it is different europe is a civilized world, what if not proven means not proven. if we really want it, it doesn't mean that it is so, don't let it.

if we want to be russian, then we need to prove it. the leader said that he pisses the sorter and everything without a trial and investigation , piss the sorters everything and if we want to come to civilization, then we have to study step by step what actually happened, definitely someone from the ukrainians wants to have mh17 by the second day everyone is in prison and the dutch want to prove so that the world can see how the events developed, are these people guilty, they acquitted one, they did not acquit, and if i gave you the power, mr. yury, you would shoot all four, i am not convinced that this is right, so keep this in mind, keep it in mind

if you want us to be civilized, we are asleep, we are being hacked off the shoulder, the russians are hacking us, and we have to adapt to europe, no matter how painful it is to someone, and prove the whole crime. everything to the gamos and others, then it is precisely the remnants of the soviet-russian joint and so on and so on and so on and so on. i would not advise you to do anything like that, but on the contrary, i would advise you to listen to irina koval, who will tell you the latest information about what was happening today in ukraine and the world so the floor is given to iryna komar ira mykola