it is clear that they have a business there too well, plus now those who are incarcerated, i.e. simply do not serve prison time, they are offered such options as a military serviceman in those who are new, they are usually not uncoordinated, they have not completed a normal course of study, they have the least motivation moreover, the leadership often puts them in the front benches in order to preserve the more professional composition that they have left of contract workers and officers and those who know how to fight more or less, and these simply go as if to distract and open our firing points because of motivation, of course, is complicated there. and it cannot be compared with ours when we protect our native land and when we, for example, are angry and indignant seeing some atrocities they committed on our lands, where did they go that they bought before and the escape of these prisoners, they are fixed. are they still destroyed immediately on the spot? well, you see, a very

clear example of the fact that they are fixed is that they are a public execution that was taken out and was broadcast on the air. there is a clear main task to show what will happen to anyone who tries to escape. that wagner, in his famous speech in prison, he said it in prison when he spoke to the colony. he also mentioned a number of factors for which the death penalty was imposed , well, it certainly sounds wild in a country that supposedly still has a constitution, a law, and this such things are prohibited, that's what he calls him there, one of the articles for which he said, for which the death penalty is prescribed, that's exactly escape from the battlefield, gentlemen, thank you very much for joining our broadcast, mykhailo prytula, military expert, colonel of the sbu, and serhiy cherevaty, spokesman for the eastern groups troops were our guests in this part of our conversation and we move on

, let's talk about whether a rocket fell in poland after all. yes, we have the most relevant topics . of the modern security environment, the author of the scientific monograph on the operation of ukraine, congratulations, mr. mykhailo, good day, so, so. what do you understand now? you can see this situation from the rocket, that in ukraine there is incredible mistrust of the fact that this rocket could have been a ukrainian anti- aircraft missile system and not a russian one. i think that these conspiracist beliefs of ukrainians will not change their opinion that they were not there in any case, although i really do not understand why, even before the end of the investigations , almost unambiguous conclusions are drawn well, first of all, we have to wait until the last, well,

just the end of the investigation, and then it will be possible to talk about what really happened there, well, in poland, but first of all, the most important thing is that it is necessary to say, in any case, whether it was a russian missile, it was fragments of a ukrainian missile, the base, the base itself, if the reason for this is that if the russians had not attacked ukraine, if they had not fired missiles, then there would have been no tragedies here either is a ukrainian missile already being studied or a russian one, well, this is a secondary question , first of all, it is necessary to clearly understand what is the most important thing here, bina is lying on the side of russia for the first time everything so far points to what is probable, what is real, what is this there were fragments of e-e ukrainian rockets and we need to prepare for the fact that it could happen well, this is a war, well, it happens in different ways well, a tragedy happened and it is necessary here it is

real and well let's be honest just honestly deal with it honestly investigate it in poland as well however, we believe that it could have been simple, but the final conclusions are clear only after the conclusion of the investigation. and how interesting it is that in poland they explain that at first there was an official statement about two rockets, the wreckage of two rockets, and then suddenly the wreckage of one rocket was found there after all at least as military experts write, if it is even a missile of the ukrainian air defense system, then it was not just in the sky, it means that it was trying to destroy a russian missile. and where did this russian missile go ? poland has a political point of view,

we only have a few technical problems here, but i don't think i understood everything, the question, you know , first of all, how would a missile with a full warhead hit it, then the effect would be completely different, that's why the opinion that these are just fragments of the rocket as they hit and there were already hmm, there could have been other coincidences of other circumstances and then the explosion happened, but that is not the point of ours, first of all, these communications about the fact that there were two rockets, they appeared only in the media and very briefly, and here i noticed it only once in our country, if this um, first of all, it was about one missile, uh, but some, as he said, it could just be fragments of a missile, and uh, here the question is simply a technical one er, to the experts, to these people who

sold the military who will be here to the investigative committee how they deal with it, they will know it, and here i say once again that the three of us need to approach this and wait for the effects of the investigation, but everyone had to talk about same. how to direct one missile, how was it, let's say, when there were communications about two missiles and we are talking about uh, about different fragments, then it could be that someone from the outside saw that these fragments were being poured in two places. so here, well, it could have been different, but again this is simply a question for the investigator to the committee and to the experts, because different people could remember it and we remember that the media, at first, the communications were built on the basis, it was simply media communications, not official communications, and the media also work according to various rumors and here, here we have it, if at first there was no scorbined communication. here,

journalists themselves did a lot of things in kyiv, that is, i would not pay much attention to the fact that at the beginning it appeared very briefly and very if the information about the two missiles appeared in such a fragmentary way, and in principles what do you think? the very idea that sooner or later poland may face such a danger , because this is not the end of the war, you understand. and now a rather good question arises. today we will assume that there was no russian missile in the polish sky. well, the investigation can show this, but tomorrow it will what to do in such a situation, or should we not develop a reaction algorithm even before it happened, the algorithm is absolutely yes, i hope that the algorithm has already been developed or is being developed at this moment, but first of all, we need to understand that the russians are now investigating what is happening and they can try to hide

specifically so close to the border in order to provoke such a situation, such a situation that just a ukrainian missile is already 100% in fact, well, it got into our territory, so the russians can provoke and try to implement the same scenario hmm already abstracting from the fact that there is already little space and we need to prepare for the tractor in order to be able to communicate about it because it is clear that the russians are using this situation and now it will be try to stir up enmity here, because in poland, i have it to the point that this is not ukraine, this is a war, so if the russians had not started a war, it would have been and what kind of situation is affected by god, this situation will not affect what happens in poland if the position of poles and ukrainians will change, no, but right now, for an hour, at such a very bad moment, when i can’t start, uh, i emphasize,

i can start. ukraine is still somewhat sure of the truth. vitaliy said right away that it is definitely not our missile until the investigation is completed, but just as they said, it is just as sure that it is ours in poland and it is possible that it is of russian production, the soviet one is meant, but it is definitely not from russia sent, but i want to ask you. and why did they talk about it with such confidence, does it mean that this is their rather weak reaction to russia's aggression, they do not want to get involved to the last, well, in fact, in the third world well, it is clear that no one does not want the third

world war yes, but do you remember that even if it was discovered that these are just fragments of a russian missile, it does not mean that russia attacked poland and this is it again. and then everything is calm, or we say that it is russian and then the third world war. well, there are still purples, so it’s not like that, because there is this cat theory that it is clear that it was supposed to be, i’m already saying that, well , from this, we can tell the information now, you can to say that it is definitely a russian missile and then we already have a war no, you can say that it was a rocket, because it was, let's say, also accidental. well, there is also a fourth article , you can react in different ways. that is, it is not like what is there. now let's say that it's a ukrainian one. well, that 's not true at all. there's no fluff in this. hmmm, how can it really turn out that it's a russian rocket? we'll

say it like this. there aren't any sandbars here, but how will it turn out that these are fragments of ukrainian rockets ? well, that doesn't mean that either here now polish-ukrainian friendship will break, that this is already some very, very strong spectrum, yes, well, you know. there is no point in us telling lies, because here now the situation in poland is to say that we understand that the poles are helping them, that the ukrainians have support from on the part of poland and that even such a topic would not affect our relations, but now we are in a very tense moment. in this regard, this problem may be triggered by other factors in the future and now it is necessary to simply neutralize in terms of information, this factor is the best. well, it is possible not to authorize it simply because, to tell the truth,

polish-ukrainian cooperation was going well here, and here both sides were frank and open, and in the end, just after the completion, it came to the opening of these materials. then everything will be clear. for now, all the time , let's just say it's a diversion, yes. and tell me, is it necessary for the countries that are members of nato? those that are currently on the border with ukraine are significantly bordered by war, a certain territory of security security of airspace that could cover the border voivodships of poland, the border regions of slovakia and romania, and the border regions of ukraine well, just so that there would be no such incidents , so that it was clearly stated that there is some kind of security train there can't be bombings, otherwise it's a matter of joint responsibility, do you find out for yourself such a development of events maybe not now maybe in a month i just can't imagine how to implement something like this because then what if we take forces or say that

we put 5,10 people and place them according to the air defense system both on our side and on ours and we do it like this and well, you know, it's just technically, i can't imagine how it could be implemented because it won't be possible to simply agree with russia that we don't shoot 10 km to the border, well, you know. well, come to an agreement and be clear, no matter how you can't trust them one way or another. shot down a russian plane and that was the end of everything fly your own or airspace in your own airspace then i say yes well then nato troops would enter ukraine and uh here we are deploying the air defense system uh all along the entire line well but that can't be like that i just can't imagine, i can't imagine how we could just technically implement this, mr. mihala, and what kind of federation do you think nato should

react more harshly? of course, in a global sense, we were talking about the third world, but there are other means of responding to russia they perfectly know what uh well this is unfortunately, well, the question is not for me. well, what can i say, or can i say, the brand is the solution to this problem, so how many more provocations will putin arrange so that nato reacts, first of all, nato reacts, and it is not that they did not react too much, because it came to of all the meetings and here we went . the level of decision we also had if we had already made a decision and went went into action if hmm everything that can help in responding to the next such similar situations here i am talking about the army, not about the mobilization of troops, but simply about them, the increase of m -m from the brain able to react, but that's not all here. i understand

what you mean and we have to remember that we also have countries like poland that are more inclined to react harshly and we have countries like germany or france that have stronger delicate reactions we need to work it all out, well, i hope that next time the reaction will be tougher and that there won't be a next time at all. what joined our ether michal marik founder of the center for research of the modern environment security author of scientific immunography operation ukraine from kraków mail joined our era we will have a conversation now about what is happening in the united states how the political situation will change what the presidential administration can do biden in a completely new situation when the democrats get the script but with a very shaky majority and

the republicans get control to attack the representatives, also with a very shaky majority, our colleague peter turns into a political scientist, the director of the eurasian democratic initiative, we will be in touch, congratulations peter, congratulations, i hope you see, he even asks that everything is okay, we don't see it yet, but we hear it. mr peter and even he has a light so how do you think this is a new political situation for and what and what does it mean for the biden administration why despite the fact that the democrats lost control of the house of representatives the american media is talking about the victory of the president and his party. well, of course it is because of the fact that all the most shameful elements from the israeli elements of the republican party who supported

, sponsored, patronized balanfram and the key so-called betmetel brownstones in the frontline states where the big a-a well, it's just 50 for 50 there is a political competition going on in these crucial states, all these party members who believed god forbid that they believed this lie of his so that he won in the previous and last elections, they and the proba program do we support or not traditional de-republican party positions and that is why the advantage there is very small for all seven seats, they control the budget, they will control the budget, who will completely turn around, and in particular , they do not have international politics and military support for ukraine, and the senate, which has more and

more prerogative regarding the formation of the international politics, he remained in the hands of the democrats. and what does it mean when the republicans, peter, say that they will control how money is allocated for aid to ukraine? what does it really mean? this is control. yes, we have technical problems. but now of course i understand yes, sorry friends and there are certain problems with the connection, but if i understood the question of mr. vitaly yes, we hear contradictory statements about a-- the head of the republican majority who tried to also hear such calls from the son of donald trump, donna jr., about what it is necessary to cancel the aid due to the fact that its missile entered the territory of our ally, poland,

well, not today, no one supported this call, and regarding the makati, i once again repeat such a mandate to control and cancel the aid to ukraine, which is now convincingly winning the war and thus demonstrating the power of american weapons, do not forget about the interests of our american bod. why cancel it? you remember even from the isolationist donald trump how he insisted on the allocation of pelitic aid in the city council. and why a year later criticized biden for canceling er, it was the loss of the opportunity to give up weapons, now this is the procedure for the vpk, we are talking about the fact that the republican party has always been such a more advanced party. this is for them it will be simple, you know, it’s simple to step down from your traditional positions, in particular, there is no demand from society for this, society on both sides

continues to support ukraine, there are problems, there is a certain fatigue, but we have not reached this stage yet. well, it is interesting about donald trump, because he announced that will take part in the presidential campaign of ms. peter. he has some chances now, because he criticized biden again, but there were enough of his mistakes, and in particular during the pandemic of 19 and the fact that he did not admit his financial elections and this led to the storming of the capitol in the 21st year, after all, he bypassed it. what are his current ratings and sentiments among americans regarding his literature ? he's like uncatchable, or at least he always convinces his supporters that he's so unsinkable

and water comes off him like a goose, as they say, he survived two and the rooster in general has a very shameful character if he is not an account of morality in it it makes no sense, and this more conservative party of american republican politics somehow followed him, he understands that behind him there is a huge part of republicans , for whom there is such a personal control panel of donbatranpa, but what those elections brought is the third time when his patronized by him to give but simply all the elections and now we we see that extenglishing uh the republic has already started to look somewhere sideways towards the fact that mr. governor aron distance in the states of florida which supported all these positions that trump is known, but he is conscious. he is not crazy and there is no trace of criminal cases and investigations behind him, you

understand, and that is why i am already hearing seriously in america that despite him, we are not drowning we still probably have the possibility that the republicans will still get rid of trump, he is like an anchor on them now and therefore cannot be written off. but i think that now in the 24th year a very serious president has emerged, and therefore that person and it's very good friends because americans are just tired of fights, these lies about , er, stolen elections, they want what is developing in america to move on, but about president biden and his prospects tomorrow.

the president of the united states is 80 years old and he thinks that he will run for the next term when he ends his presidency, biden will be 86 years old, you know that senator grasli from the republican statement he won the fight for the senate he is now 89 years and when it ends he will be 95 if the distance settles down and he will run for office, although today everything is on google, his age is exactly the godfather , so this is an amazing thing, the truth is, and the question arises as to how it will look at 58 and in the 24th year, we have here. there will be very i still want to be careful and cook. and i want an experienced

one, even on a personal level. we are friends. we can be 80 years old. when you only have the opportunity to play with your grandchildren, it’s all by continuing to go on. the signs of what will happen already, i am. he is already 80 years old, we will talk like that, and you, he is very underestimated. he had such a popular rating 4 years ago, but he is showing success, success there, they, uh, democrats for biden, they accepted a very low price for marijuana. i'm not saying that it's even a more powerful solution. but i mean what they had to understand in such a country is still somewhat conservative and they had a mandate and why are we banned from marijuana yes a and they canceled it as an example uh also they cancel

the student debt i very i hope for that and knock on wood, because i studied in america at an american university, and the war, so they didn't take care of it. and even at the beginning, we started receiving signals from the reef. do you remember that there were in december and then the day before last, the chest and when and about uh do you remember the deployment of troops under our borders , and nothing was heard, they did not start doing anything, they had no faith that ukraine would act. did you think that it would be like the afghan scenario and they had had enough of afghanistan, or when did it start, when the ukrainians began to demonstrate that they were defending your country universal, as we say. suddenly he cares that this is his opportunity, this is his survey in life, to be such a leader who understood the historical and

importance of what is happening in ukraine, and this is not characteristic of a democrat. there was a party, it was a republican application, so everything somehow changed quickly, ma'am, such a man is still a fighter of the second world war, and do you remember that he was a personal audiologist who traveled in the soviet union? he knows what the russian empire is, what is happening in ukraine and we are very lucky to have biden in particular, the story would have gone would have gone very, very differently otherwise. how can you imagine what real things president biden could have talked about with the head of the people 's republic of china xi jinping at this vividly resonant meeting on the island of bali. okay, we have such an expert, yes, my thoughts on that from the fantasy of the very beginning of the war. what will happen between nixon and

mao zedong through the mediation of mr. henrikizer in the year 73, do you remember the game about the spanish bypassing the soviet union? these are, of course, rosy dreams, but after all, at least we can hope here. i won't say anything original, probably even banal . but let it be so banal that you didn't have to simply prevent a nuclear scenario, too, after all , not a 100% guarantee. we can't say that putin just does what beijing tells him. and he is not, we don't know from this, but if the meeting is going to take a lot of effort and keep a crazy person from the craziest decisions and steps, it 's a very big deal, so i think it was discussed, it was about certain guarantees regarding taiwanese at least, and until we deal with russia, you will not be overwhelmed by taiwan, you understand that the least, but still, this may also be an already resolved question, only how will they

capture this island, i hope that it will be a soft power, after all, not a war and russia, of course, hopes very much for this war for any war with the owl and the kosovars and the serbs or taiwan they need any shucher but now we have to avoid it we have now one war and we have to end it on the terms of the country and which one protects his borders, that is, ukraine, if this topic has already been started, then in the context of taiwan , there were absolutely no new applications, did you see any change in the policy, make a footnote , yes, i am not a sinologist, but a specialist in china. but

recently i read a huge article in new york where exactly about that a and, of course, i read several other artists of such works about an imagined nuclear war with china around taiwan and there are also iran, by the way. and as an actor, don’t forget that iran and pakistan are very powerful allies of china and that's why we have russia here, which is also now trying to recreate such an international, yes, it is an american anti-colonial international, and there are reasons for this. our task is to prevent this, and here is the question of whether taiwan is worth it for the western world now, which is a load of wars on the side of ukraine so what to do with the taiwanese. if this happens, if china is already there in a year or two, we will decide on

taiwan , we know the goal. wants to solve for his term a-a means political career the question of taiwan and that question will be very huge what uh are limited to ukraine let's prove let 's bring it to the end or do we interfere in taiwan is a very, very big question and now the superiority of forces, in particular naval forces are not on the side of america in that region. thank you very much, let's put an end to our conversation . what p vitaly port nikov will comment on the most important events of this week, we are listening to people suffering from rheumatism and arthrosis of the joints, so piercing