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every authoritarian state will understand that if it has nuclear weapons, it can in principle do anything it wants and cross any red lines, but the question arises: what can the united states really do to oppose such a development? a very simple answer to this question remains: the united states the states should do what they have killed so far with the fact that we could give more weapons and better weapons, but in principle it all depends in the end on ukraine and on whether the united states plus its european allies are ready away from providing weapons to ukraine, it seems to me that the answer to this question is so that they are ready for them to do it well, this is the main thing, of course, at the same time, it is necessary to emphasize and constantly remind putin, plus in general, everyone and in general that there will be one or another consequences in the case of this or that development events we are mainly
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talking about pro-nuclear weapons, but as for the rest, in principle, as the ukrainians themselves know, everything depends on them, on the ukrainians themselves, plus on western weapons . if we talk about the contacts of the people's republic of china, there are a lot of them recently. president biden met with the head of kerner sidzelpin. of its position in the world, particularly for economic interests. i think that china has already realized that in february, if not in february, then at least in march or april or when take a closer look at their behavior and what they say in relation to the war, then their support for
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russia is very conditional. well, of course, they are allies forever and ever, and so on, but when it comes to some specific help, it is actually non-existent, and on the contrary, the chinese criticized putin just in time and agreed with no matter what the life of nuclear weapons is unacceptable and in this way they expressed a very powerful signal to putin himself, and i think that the chinese well, not that i think they understand, they understand very well that this war is destabilizing that it is a threat and a threat to their own interests, and in this way, on the one hand, they continue to adhere to this so-called union with russia, and on the other hand, they are clearly trying to establish star countries and with other european countries. and this is understandable, because the chinese do not like such instability a hand, on the contrary, for
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their economic and, by the way, in the end, the strategic interests of eurasia should be stable and not the way it is now, so what if the west , and especially america, if it cunningly approaches this, here is an opportunity to imprint the chinese from russian well, if not completely, then at least turn them into a more or less de facto neutral country, if not, and this will then lead to the complete isolation of the russian federation itself . what do you think is the main american news of today, the restoration of donald trump's account on the social network twitter, how is it in principle, it may affect the chances of american conservatives already in the next us presidential election, or will it not have a very strong effect on what is happening? i think that it is rather not very much to a great extent, he compromised himself with such less
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and more moderate republicans, of course, those 25% of the population who love and adore him. they have remained the same. now, the pope, despite all the scandals, all the research and so on, so it is basically impossible to change their opinion. the house is 2% maximum, but the republicans generally understand that they lost the election because of trump, which means that you lost the presidential election because of his radicalism, because of his extremism, and now they have also seen what, for example from those elections that just took place, they didn't pee because everyone thought that peeing means that the senate remained in the hands of the democrats, their majority is the republican majority in the house of entente, there is very little, it seems only six or seven announced so that in the end they understood i
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think that a large part of the republicans understands that they have to approach various issues more or less moderately, and thus trump himself will become marginal, especially since i am now the deputy governor of the state of floridite desantis, he won somewhere, receiving 60-65% of all, he announced that he is also a conservative, and you are even more conservative than trump himself. but he is not a crazy conservative . i think that he is not exactly that. crazy conservatives are in their hands and the future of the republican party. tell me, these people people who basically understand the importance of ukraine are also running out. well, this is important, that's what i wanted to ask about, how much will the influence of the scenario in the palace of representatives be, first of all, of those republicans who show loyalty to trump's position
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which called into question the necessity of helping ukraine and which in fact lead to the fact that we need to come to an understanding with russia. well, we see what donald trump jr. wrote that why should we help ukraine, which is also hitting the territory of poland with missiles, yes, of course, but such a radical wing among the republicans themselves is relatively small, fortunately it does not hang, i mean in the house of representatives and sanatia too, if they reached 50 to 60% of all representatives well, of course, the government is a problem, but i don’t know all that, 10-15 maybe the maximum 20% of republicans, senators and contestants and so on. of course they will influence the disk and that is bad. they will also influence this. i would say on er, on the so-called framing of questions, how are some questions considered important in the
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discussions? that it is necessary for ukraine, and even more so for the diaspora, to settle our efforts, our attempts to influence and lobby on this discourse and on political decisions in general, but so that in principle they can be implemented by themselves or others, i rather think that this will not happen moreover, do not forget that a very important factor is that the vast majority of americans do support ukraine, they are sympathetic to ukraine, people who are sympathetic to russia and even more so to putin himself, there are very, very few of them. i personally do not know such people at all well, of course, it is possible because these are not my friends, but in principle, the americans support ukraine. and the republicans understand that. if they go against ukraine now, it will mean that they will kill the support
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of a certain part of the american voters. the presidential elections are approaching, so they will have to tell you a lot. approach this issue carefully. well, you are talking about american support for ukraine, but it is very important whether such fatigue from this war will not occur against the background of economic deterioration, and this economic deterioration is not necessarily may be associated with the war, but it will be associated with it in public opinion, how to resist this possible development of events, you understand that it is not even so much fatigue as just the accumulation of other problems which diverted from ukraine at the end of february in march . in fact, this was the number one topic. because there were no other such crisis problems and everyone was able to focus their attention on this problem and everyone was enthusiastic and engaged to one degree or another, and from that time until now, you understand, different scandals, different there are crises, there is
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some kind of war, there is a problem, both, and the people already to some extent. so it’s not that, it’s not that, it’s more like a kind of normalization, routinization before ukraine has become one of many different problems, and what saves ukraine, well, it’s not entirely paradoxical it is the fact that on the one hand, the ukrainians, the ukrainian army, which means the armed forces of ukraine, still has that every month or so, some very respectable successes of the victory are scared away, so that they were expelled from the kakya chernihiv and sumy regions, then from kharkiv , now from kherson. draws attention to ukraine, and the second, more tragic factor is the fact that every few weeks, if every few months, the russian army, especially
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putin himself, resort to some kind of atrocity some people are simply shocked by some kind of torture in different places. is it bucha irpin raisin? something is wrong with that, but there are always such crazy atrocities that draw attention to themselves again and convince people that the war continues and that the russian atrocities continue . and ukraine is a joke, try to help it somehow, but despite everything i said, the fact is that people are already used to war, including the ukrainian diaspora. it means that i was worried in february, march, now somehow well, it has already become, i don't want to use the word normal because it is not normal but to some extent it has become a normal phenomenon in the future, maybe it can even be said so
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correctly . there will be these negotiations, if they will happen at all, but it is absolutely obvious that now the united states in the west is more willing to talk at least show the virtual possibility of negotiations than it was even a few weeks ago not a month. where does this desire to draw conclusions come from that negotiations with moscow are likely and how serious are the things that ukraine itself will decide when and if at all to hold these negotiations? living problems, and the same in western europe and so
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on, so that according to the times, inflation and price increases, etc., are also connected with this, so that to some extent there is a certain feeling that, well, we also have to here to endure that somehow it is necessary to untie the chain as soon as possible to a certain extent, too. and the very fact that ukraine feels such uh, well, it is winning on the front, uh, then i have a question. well, if it wins, maybe now is the best time to talk to the russians. to some kind of compromise and so on, so it's normal and don't forget that from the very beginning, from february 24, there were different politicians, different environments in the west who said that it is impossible to solve this problem by military means, that it will be necessary somehow in the end agree and so on that, however, the americans do not at least i think i am still
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convinced that the majority of such serious americans, however, also understand that there is one main obstacle here, it is a huge problem, namely that putin, and even more so, russia, recognized these four oblasts as part of the russian federation and in this way talk about some kind of compromise that in principle was possible, it is possible at least theoretically that it is possible that in march, that is good, ukraine will give some territory there to replace it. well, and love and so on, even then even such options were fantastic, but at least to some extent unrealistic, so they fall away because, in principle, there is nothing to talk about with the russians, they think that this is their land, we think that it is ours, what kind of compromise is there, the only possible compromise is that and he appointed is conditioned by the capitulation of russia or at least
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the victory of ukraine, there is no other option here. so, it seems to me. well, these are my assumptions that such pressure will increase, that it will be a-a, but at the same time, it is also from an understanding of the ukrainian situation there is an understanding that putin has led everyone to such a certain impasse and that there is no way out of this impasse well, at least there is no easy way, and maybe there is no way at all, unless it can be solved somehow by military means, well , in fact, putin himself is in the same dead end. that's what the problem is even if he wants to talk, he has red lines, these are foreign territories that he considers his own, well, he himself understands. i personally did not consider putin to be some special genius , you are chess masters or the like, but in fact this annexation is the annexation of all those territories, then it is
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not only a disaster in principle for russia itself, but especially for him because he has now gotten himself into a dead end, as you say is still in power, but he actually led his regime and the country into a dead end. although of course he did it on february 24, thank you, thank you, mr. oleksandr . nuclear of security, we have already started our program with it. and now the general director of the energy research center, oleksandr kharchenko, is on the phone. greetings, mr. oleksandr . good evening. holds as such the territory of blackmail and what can these constant shelling lead to, well, their actions were
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absolutely clearly aimed at preventing the launch of the fifth and sixth rectors, which the ukrainian workers at the station tried to do and the launch complex is actually destroyed. i think that this is a simulation by the moscow regime of the actions they will take when retreating from the station, they will most likely try to make it so that we spend as much time as possible on restoring the station and will not be able to start them up. tell me if we talk about the situation with volume of infrastructure from my ears because i listen to the negotiations of the entire studio so you tell me what they are talking about there they are saying something about me because i can't hear
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now you see remove the channel from p oleksandr technically, he can hear exactly what the guests should hear from the journalists. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for what you said. so, the situation with the e-e infrastructure means that the press secretary of the president of russia dmytro piskov, in principle, clearly formulated what russia is destroying the ukrainian infrastructure for. he said that this is such a compulsion to win but in essence this is a compulsion to surrender, this is such an idea that seems quite strange to me because the history of it is at least the 20th century, as soon as these opportunities appeared to bomb large urban areas showed that a victory over the population is not a victory in the war if you cannot destroy the army, but russia stubbornly continues this tactic, which has essentially
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ceased to be modern. we can agree that this is a deceptive military tactic, but in terms of infrastructural security, how to understand it, how to overcome it. what real results can be? see, these are direct acts of terrorism, they must be considered as such, they are terror of the civilian population before military actions. these attacks have nothing to do with and cannot have anything to do with what the terrorists want, the terrorists want the ukrainians to be afraid of the fact that they will have no communication, and i see a lot now from my colleagues who work in communications, how the russians are actively promoting their narratives on facebook and trying to somewhere in the telegram channels it is constantly being dispersed , you know. they are not expected, yes, the system is damaged
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very significantly. light in 20 hours, they were connected back despite all the efforts of the moscow government officials, this will actually be the case. it's not even what the americans used to do in iraq, you know the two weeks we have between waves we're just in time well, maybe people have already noticed because we're ready in fact we all know the energy industry that we usually make it in two weeks between waves to bring the situation to the point where people have four hours a day of connection there and it is
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predicted when and how they will happen, i.e. as a whole, the country is holding on as a whole, ukraine is becoming stronger, i.e., at the same time, a huge number of measures aimed at strengthening and protecting the energy system, both physical and military and to strengthen its individual elements , generators are massively installed in the cities, including critical infrastructure, the most intelligent mayors have already equipped all their boiler house pumps and everything that everything has been reached with a generator and they help people even when the central power supply is turned off, to get water and get heat in many smart communities. this has already been done in others. i know that at the government level there , too, many steps are actually being taken to ensure this as soon as possible. don't think that they are hitting, we are weakening and that's all, yes, they are hitting, but
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we are adapting, inventing new ways of how we work and at times well, honestly, the engineers definitely surprise themselves and all of europe and everyone who sees this experience, they just say that they are listening. it is incredible what they are doing now at the same ukrenergo . i can just see in the frame what the engineers and dispatchers of this company are doing. they are not formed by any protocol, any instruction, any experience, they invent things that are fantastic even after the war. i think it will all be evaluated, but if we talk about the situation when the temperature will drop to some minuses, how much will this change the situation with the e-e level of electricity in the network, the level of the line of use, of course i understand why you and us we fully expect that the demand for electricity will
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grow. but at the same time, a very rapid process of autonomization of electricity generation is currently underway in ukraine, the number of generators that are imported , connected and tested is huge, and every day, every week really gives additional autonomy and an additional possibility of survival in a situation when it is destroyed by missiles one way or another pizza pension which well, it can really lead to the shutdown of the city and the town for hours and maybe for days well, it can come to that, but if we have installed autonomous generation is enough if we made sure that people were still provided with heat and the heating stations continued to work if we prepared heating points for charging communication devices yes it hurts but we will definitely get through it and survive western ukrainian mayors , in particular lviv ivano-frankivska spoke that
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in winter there may be such a situation that it is better for people to leave the cities, that the cities may not have electricity for a week, how realistic is this forecast, do you know for most of the city, i still think that during the a week or some such period, this means that there is a blackout in the whole country and we restore the system after a complete blackout, but i started telling people that in order to prepare, the best thing you can come up with is a house in the village and a strawberry generator in you if there is a wood stove or a gas boiler and a generator near the house , what are you protected from? russian missiles that fly over our infrastructure are no longer scary. 100 liters of fuel, er, somewhere in the yard will also be in your pocket, even pulled, but as a result, you are not afraid of these missiles i don’t know why the
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gas production infrastructure is now being attacked and what the consequences of its damage will be. you know this. they tried to do something with artillery fire many times. now the gas and production and trans-transportation systems are much less vulnerable than electricity. they are mostly underground, to be honest. a person who does not is related to gas production, will see a well that is in working mode well, it just works and produces gas, she will not understand that this is a well, yes, well, it is mostly underground equipment, above ground is very small part of that, yes, there is a real threat to compressor stations, it can happen, but such results can be achieved by mass attacks on the power grid. i am absolutely sure that they will not be able to uh. to be honest, i even joked with my colleagues here that if they switch to gas , first of all electricity they will be thanked or the second - together
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it will still not work, and in principle, if we talk about infrastructure damage, we saw what happened to the druzhba pipeline when ukraine was forced to interrupt the transit of oil on its territories, moreover, for those countries in transition to which oil the russian federation is obviously interested in hungary. to what extent, in principle, can this stop russia from taking certain actions, understanding that strikes on ukrainian infrastructure can also harm russian interests? well, you know. well, it is very difficult to understand now what does russia mean by its interests , first of all, because the mega-active actions on the gas market in europe that russia has carried out, you know, this was such a long automatic queue at one's feet and it is different it is impossible to say if the ukrainians had fought for russia to be deprived of the european gas market, we
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would have achieved such results without the help of the kremlin. we would never have achieved the fact that they are now completely and practically squeezed out of the european gas market, they achieved this on their own, and i want to thank the geniuses who provoked it, well done but to understand now, someone crazy would think of hitting the compressor stations of main lawns, spending a huge number of rockets, it is probably possible to achieve some goal, because main lawns the soviet union built them so that during the war between the west and the soviet union they were in the target, respectively , well, such powerful structures, they are much more stable than actually anything infrastructural in ukraine, so they can achieve the interruption of gas transit, yes we can, but you know,
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not a healthy one you can't explain it with logic. and if we talk about all these plans for the construction of a gas hub in turkey, putin constantly tells zardogan that they will download gas for the whole of europe through turkey, you don't understand the logic at all that's how they talk when you can't see either investors or buyers, why is this all happening, that's why they mock putin because he nods his head there, they say yes, yes, friend volodymyr, we won't do everything and then he goes to azerbaijan and who is well in this case well not that he is opposed to russia, but simply, well, the most important thing is that there is a technical enemy from the point of view of all these southern gas flows, and he agrees with azerbaijan that he will cooperate with him on gas, and then he says, and we use our own gas here, in general, we are going to bribe we will arrange for our gas to be supplied to europe, because we are increasing production here and we are going to
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provide not only that, but also europe. honestly, experts agree absolutely one hundred percent that this hub is just an excuse to talk about some political statements, but there are no real chances of implementation he doesn't have a reason. well, it seems to me that rydogan is simply pulling out of russia extra money that he will never get , and why not earn money. if these fools go there, thank you, mr. oleksandr, oleksandr kharchenko the general director of the energy research center was in touch with us on this broadcast, and we talked about what is happening with the ukrainian energy system. today, the topic is urgent for millions of ukrainians. i think that what oleksandr says is not reassuring for those people who want to understand how the situation is developing on the energy front, because this is
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obviously the front after the russian shelling, but at least it creates such a technical map that each of us understands that it is not even about because russia cannot achieve a military victory by terrorizing the civilian population of countries. and the fact is that this terrorization itself, when we are talking about a country with a large territory and a country that is not sealed , this is a very important thing. countries countries that can be helped with humanitarian cargo from other countries a country that in one way or another people leave or come someone moves around the territory it is not at all what it was even during the second world war when people were actually locked in their countries and very often in their
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regions because the transport connection was completely different and the possibilities were completely different, and even under these conditions of sealing the belligerent countries of great britain, germany, the hitlerite soviet union, even under these conditions, it was impossible to achieve superiority by shelling the civilian infrastructure and the intimidation of the civilian population in any of these warring countries is a simple truth, in order to win, you need to defeat the army and not the civilian population of the russians, once again this simple truth are being ignored now, i will give the floor to anya melnyk, my colleagues, who will introduce you to the work of the news team for this hour, please, good evening , thank you for a few moments about the most important thing, and i will start with how many millions of ukrainians lost their jobs due to the war, stay with us for more
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