the ancient times of the revolution of dignity, because let's face it, it was definitely a revolution without an appeal, it seems to me that on the contrary, in our country, within our country, there were people who asked themselves and each other the question of whether it was worth it, well, that is, all this one way or another resulted in russian aggression against us. and although this was mistaken, many believed that it was the maidan that could have provoked the russian federation to such actions, so whether in the last months of the large-scale invasion, according to your observations, and on your the opinion of the ukrainian people, the ukrainian society has become more unanimous regarding the assessment and understanding of the events of nine years ago, which according to sociological research, well, after all, with our experience, because we saw the anti-maidan, we know what they are doing, but

society has seen through, this part of society has seen through precisely because of the full-scale drowning of the kremlin and their nature, the essence, it was revealed at the same time and very very demonstrably not through television through mass media, but in real life when everything was being destroyed when this horde showed its true faces and therefore very many people have seen through it, and it is very important. this is a kind of catharsis, so that through this, unfortunately, the huge losses of the sacrifice, the blood of the catharsis seems to be a dream. and even the ukrainian society and the misconceptions that the maidan provoked the war and then putin planned it and sooner or later this war should have happened because the kremlin

never would have allowed an independent, free ukraine , therefore, it was only a preparation, and we are talking about the fact that the maidan was the first successful battle in this war in this great war . maidans were being prepared, ukrainian society was being prepared without resistance at various levels, not only at the military level, at the cultural level, at the media level, at the economic level, at the level of communal services, that is, people can, they have worked now, the volunteer movement is huge, and in fact all the previous maidans. it was two, as if they hardened like this. thank you ihor poshuvaylo, director of the national museum of the revolution of dignity, participants in the initiative to have the heritage rescue headquarters working now in our information

marathon well, we are going further 16:32 one more minute we have an extremely important topic. on the agenda, more and more videos are appearing on the internet. one of these videos is currently being actively discussed. it is about the alleged capture of russian soldiers in the area of ​​the now -liberated makiivka of the luhansk region. it was actually filmed and fixed at the time of the video recording er let's say that some things happen that make it possible to understand that at least one of those who surrendered surrendered as a prisoner opened fire against a-a um-m of our guards accordingly and in the future er-e we we see the continuation of this story already with the allegedly killed russian military personnel

who surrendered themselves as prisoners, it is very important to understand that this can be part of an informational and psychological operation deployed by the russian federation, and it can be, let's say, a puzzle without certain elements that are needed to restore for a completely general picture and ukraine is actually ready to do this, the appropriate investigation has already begun, said the commissioner for human rights dmytro lubinets, commenting on the widespread mode video of the incident in which several russian prisoners allegedly died after opening fire against the defense forces, contact us oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, we congratulate you, mr. oleksandr, glory to ukraine , ask whether this is stupid or procedurally correct to act in order to remove the accusations that are being spread extremely actively

in the russian mass media, we understand that the story is loud , and our human rights commissioner plubinets said that ukraine is ready to join chesny investigation but do you think that such a story should be submitted to a normal, objective international or some other investigation ? because what happened because the materials that were presented are still chopped up, they are not whole and the question is about what happened , any investigator will say that it can be established only after restoring the complete picture with a minute-by-second

distinction and accordingly with the analysis with all the examinations that must be conducted, which in principle, in my opinion, is quite problematic based on the fact that all this happened as in the conditions of combat actions e from what is presented, see now e, in principle, in e-e, within the e-e video e-e preparation of e-e material, you can cut the material and compose it very differently based on the tasks that are posed e-e before to those who cut and compose the material, and to you as butterfly makers i think it is well known. in fact, what is presented and what is shown even in that form and in that plot, let's say the deployment as it is shown, if it is analyzed from the point of view of the conduct of hostilities, and there are

several analytical conclusions about it military experts, including independent ones, which have nothing to do with this war, or with the armed resistance of ukraine and russian aggression, it is indicated that the ukrainian military acted absolutely adequately in the nuances of the combat tasks in which they found themselves because there are protocols for conducting, let's say, operations to capture prisoners of war, and they provide for several very specific steps, and accordingly, these steps they er-e foresee the very safety of er-e those who a-e take prisoners and they must avoid any possibility of er-e getting in itself, the fire is actually exposed to the risk of being destroyed or suffering other damage or

loss, and therefore, here it should first be an investigation at the level of law enforcement agencies, which to date, as far as i know, commit these procedural actions from the investigation through the survey through the carrying out of certain procedural steps and accordingly, we then get the full picture again this information will not be made public as much as er it appears er instead what is spread by the russian public er is a presentation of such a rather interesting situation with such a negative assessment of the ukrainian military, who were supposed to capture the russians who surrendered. but at the same time, one of the russians, having fired on the ukrainians, as this foreign expert wrote, it was he who committed a war crime because

that he framed all his fellow soldiers who had already raised their hands, laid down their arms and surrendered as prisoners, because according to the protocol, which body in your opinion could facilitate an honest and impartial investigation of our so-called security forces? that is , we understand what this powerful international structure should remove well, i don't know the objection - on the part of both the ukrainian state and our military, we understand that this story is extremely serious and our key task is to carry out the relevant procedures so that they do not cause any questions from the side of the civilized world, and we understand for what purpose the enemy is trying to disperse this story in order to dehumanize our military, in particular, this applies to both the internal russian consumer market and the international history, which is extremely serious. accordingly, what

international bodies or structures could be involved for that in order to ensure, so to speak, a probable investigation. as for international bodies or structures, it can only be created by some advox special committee that can hold a meeting of information is like for example the same was er so-called er let's say a special er specialon qition investigation commission which was organized at the level of the united nations organization and she er leaving for er some separate the subject can prepare this material with an expert opinion, but it will not actually be an investigation within the framework of the same defined criminal process, or even if we can

talk about an international criminal court, then procedurally established investigators are the same actions and, accordingly, it all correlates with the same national process of investigating criminal cases. since we have, let's say, accusations of committing a war crime instead . conclusions and prepare materials that should be precisely the proof of the truth and correctness of the actions of the ukrainian servicemen who were in this incidents are involved, oleksandr, let’s add, let’s sum it up, pedant. what the russians either staged or

, well, let’s say, they allegedly faked their campaign to capture in order to have the opportunity to offend representatives of the defense forces, then this is considered a war crime on the part of the russians, and we are for everything . well, this is an imitation of being taken prisoner, as well as among the military, not military, but war crimes , there is, for example, dressing in the uniform of the enemy, that is, when, for example, they dress in the uniform of the armed forces of ukraine, let's say, go out to meet and open fire is also a war crime, it is also the same as resorting to masking under the symbols of the red cross of other organizations without appearing at the same time using, for example, the same vehicles that will be marked as a car of the red cross or other peacekeeping

organizations of some kind, and accordingly it is so itself serves as one of the types, or rather, it is a characteristic of a war crime. and for this, responsibility also arises when they resort to exactly this type of crime, for example, a high-profile video to d1 from russian mercenaries, well, actually castrates a ukrainian fighter on video, we know something about the investigation and russia is somehow trying to simulate the analysis of such flights, look at the first, russia itself began to spread this informational material. sensitive shootings and materials, while having a certain purpose, we will not say which one it is now and at whom it is aimed

. actually, at the national level, this is recorded as a criminal case and investigation all those involved in the commission of this crime are carried out and established, respectively, but this is carried out under the conditions of an investigation into the investigation on the territory of the russian federation, so i do not know whether or not the investigation of the same so-called investigative committee is being carried out there. although they should have accordingly announced that the investigation of a criminal case begins and there are defendants who are brought either in or in the form of, let's say, in the status of the accused and so on and so on, nothing happened and on the other hand, we materials released by the russian side, we have no other continuation of this story. and actually this is an indicator of the fact that this is one of the sides of the

information war waged by the russian federation . in fact, they are not interested in the fact that a crime is being committed, which is needed and which needs to be prevented and which needs to be prevented to investigate, bringing the guilty to justice, instead, they incite such hysteria and hatred, and actually throw gasoline on this fire, showing such cruel pages of this war on video and probably tasting them from his side. and actually, this uh, in my opinion, uh, once again suggests who should bear responsibility together with those military politicians who commit uh, arts of aggression, and helps them, first of all, this propaganda machine, the

propaganda machine, which is served by individual journalists or what was supposed to be journalism in russia, and in fact, there is a question about the prevention of this cannot even be called hate speech or hate speech, and there is propaganda that borders on the fact that the facts of crimes that have been made public have been made public and that should also be prosecuted criminal list, mr. oleksandr, for this honest and high-quality conversation oleksandr pavlichenko , executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, was currently working on the direct tv channel espresso well, we are forced to go further now we have a schedule roman hryshchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, author of the draft law on volunteers, simplifying the procedure for including benefactors to the register of volunteers, exemption from

taxation of charity fees, a lot is actually complex, this is the story of roman, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, a little to the waist eh about the draft law, it is only about simplifying the registration of volunteer registers, exemption from taxation. we have had the register for a long time, the register itself has existed since 2014, this year it was simply expanded, it was originally called only the register of volunteers of the anti-terrorist operation, now we understand that the war is going on throughout the territory of ukraine and therefore expanded to the entire territory of ukraine and to help not only the military type, i.e. suffered as a result of the russian aggression, the people's deputy in the key task is to protect honest volunteers who are really trying to help the front and our fighters as much as possible, yes , and accordingly, we have seen several rather strange criminal-procedural cases regarding volunteers with a good

name, yes, the stories are not yet finalized, in any case, will this bill help our volunteers feel stronger somehow and more reliable and calmer and really this was one of the main main goals of the registration of the draft law in general so that stories would not be repeated when by chance or not by chance volunteers who were virtuous were dragged to liability e.e. due to some imperfect things in our legislation or lack of communication, the volunteer register has existed since 2014, only a small part of the volunteers know about it, namely, the entry into this register exempts from taxation the funds collected for the volunteer’s personal car, which is important here, that is, volunteers can simply not to collect funds and there to help the army there or in some way allocating their time for delivery, there are volunteers who collect large amounts of funds for their own potatoes so that there are no problems with effimonitoring in the first place

a bank that can write down and ask why such large transactions take place or with which funds are received, then the entry into this register helps to prevent this question. well, of course, this question is related to taxation according to the tax code, which is clearly indicated that those who are entered in register , they are exempt from taxation on these funds collected and spent on supporting the armed forces of ukraine or victims of full-scale aggression. how many people have already referred to the register as far as it is known for the volunteers themselves, the story and uh, how many of them will understand that now they can take advantage of this opportunity for two things: first, uh, the submission is voluntary and there is no responsibility for the fact of non-submission. that is, it is the choice of the volunteer. he indicates his account uh in the register volunteers in order for him to be officially exempted from taxation or not, the tax office does not see volunteers' accounts, this is the bank's relationship only with the volunteer, according to the answer of the

tax office, 8 volunteers from the beginning of 2014 and on hmm until november, there was such information that is why we have simplified the registration in this register so that there is no need to physically come to the bank to get a certificate, then physically go to the territorial department of the tax office in order to be able to do it online and save precious time for our volunteers, well , accordingly, maybe there are some additional benefits or in general perhaps it would be worthwhile to develop this volunteer in quotes, of course, the direction is about providing for those people who are trying to organize charitable assistance for our military and for residents regarding the recent occupied or front-line territories, in fact, so that they feel in a certain status, that is, it is not even a matter of taxation only, but of other relevant additional options, in particular, working in the front-line area, gaining access, and so on

, accordingly, this would require the inclusion of the relevant law enforcement agencies, so that god, among those honest volunteers, one or the other, i don't know, exiled kozachok did not appear, that is, the story is extremely productive, but not simple. yes, it is important here that the horizontal connections that the volunteers have and directly with the soldiers who are at the front, this is the strength of the volunteers, the volunteers are in horizontal communication, we know a specific soldier who fights in a specific unit that has specific needs, the state works vertically, after all, through the brigades, through the power of the horizon - the power of volunteers is precisely in this person to person i have an acquaintance who is there you are there he has needs i have relatives who are fighting there and mine we can provide help that is why the role of volunteers it is extremely important now already we advise everyone about the law on volunteers and volunteer activities. there is also information about travel compensation and about the status of volunteers who

were injured while volunteering or, god forbid, died. joining our conversation is the head of volunteer mrs. natalya, we congratulate you glory to ukraine heroes glory, i congratulate you. if i am not mistaken, you are currently in the east of our country, in particular, you are engaged in the evacuation of people, not only evacuation, but also the assistance of a military medical institution to doctors the military, so many things i do here and i teach tactical medicine, thank you for your work ms. natalya er. some ukrainian legislation changed just a few days ago in order to simplify er. well and make more er . with volunteers, volunteers with society, respectively, so that your work is more comfortable, do you know about the registers, e.e., the register of volunteers? are you included in

this register ? i can say for sure that many volunteers and acquaintances called me about this and asked my opinion, because i have been a volunteer since the 14th year and for many i am an authority, i will tell you honestly now, maybe subjectively enough will sound, but i did not see that in the 14th year the state did something putni did for volunteers, she does for volunteers and uh, i don’t believe that she will do, you’ve talked enough now about the wounded volunteers, the dead volunteers, uh, we are now, even if we don’t take the volunteers who died and who were wounded from the 14th year to february 24, there are many from february 24 volunteers who were taken out from under shelling, who died, who were wounded, the state saw it, it granted some benefits, it somehow remarked on these people no, they were treated at their own expense and all

this was done, they hid them, and the chemists did not receive any payments, that is, these people are not equal i do not demand this from military personnel, but at least when a person died, and at least when she was with me, at least conduct an investigation and recognize her as the one who came under fire as a result of hostilities directly. then, at least posthumously or at least in case of injury, unfortunately, the state does not fulfill this. i am very glad. and maybe it is good. there should have been such a law, but as always, there are many, but we thank you very much for simplifying it. the registration procedure and made requests to the tax department and the ministry of finance regarding clarifications, whether they will check whether volunteers must provide acts of acceptance of the transfer and so on. and so on. then

i have a question. if this is unknown how can volunteers feel as safe as they do may know that the tax office will not, well, let's say settle accounts with them, yes or in this way, the state will not try to influence the volunteers, but i don't know, to be honest, it will be yes or no, and about the acts about the fact that it is a public organization or a charitable foundation yes of course, everyone works because of acts, but now on february 24, it’s almost impossible, i’ll be honest , i brought very valuable things to the frontline to sign the act. i just even uh, well, i’m sure the tongue doesn’t come back, because i see that all the people are quite busy with papiers, no one there will be no messing around, or you help or your help is not needed. unfortunately, now, unfortunately, the front is a little categorical in accepting help, so it is our job to help, our job is to lend a shoulder, and

only later if there are any problems. i spend every penny because i write as much as possible in the e-book when we pay, and in privatbank we write where else the money goes. i don't have accessories, for example, i have a contract, i just have people who sew soft nights and i take them to the front, that is, it will be impossible for me to report on this, just as i don't take shares from each division, which nights, because it's like consumables that are constantly distributed and that are constantly needed at the front, well, this is simply taken as an example , but now ms. natalya has outlined such a series of issues that she is faced with purely from her volunteer practice,

please explain, because there you will respond to what you heard in particular, yes. first of all, i am grateful to mrs. natalya for her work since 2014. she is really a volunteer for whom she works and knows all the problems from the inside. indeed, according to the tax department, there was no answer to my deputy's questions on which there should be financial reporting, because in general there was no case in the tax register before this , there was no need for any reporting. it's simple. it's just a fact. and i think that this is the right approach because the volunteer is the main thing. trust. why do we give mrs. natalia funds for the armed forces of ukraine? she is in the register of volunteers, and because we trust her, we know that she will spend every penny she spends with maximum efficiency for the armed forces for the armed forces of ukraine, moreover, in the tax code, we exempted her from any documentary confirmation of the losses of volunteers from from february 24 to may 1, it may make sense for registered volunteers to extend

this period, because really everyone works in extremely extreme conditions, when even for some valuable things, even if there is an act transfer, it really can be. it can be a problem . well, accordingly, i would like to clarify the rest with ms. natalia. first of all, i already said this, the most important thing is to recognize people who died as a result of hostilities, if there is confirmation from several witnesses posthumously that they have the right to their families and have some benefits because they are volunteers who died as a result of hostilities, as well as injuries. and i would definitely like to note that this is a slightly different topic , but it is very important, what you said is that i am currently engaged in evacuation, this is a big problem, children who are on the demarcation line, we say that there is

legislation in place regarding adopted children, but there is none the legislation does not have a legislative nature, and there is article 170 of the family code, which speaks of danger directly to children. but parents can currently write a receipt and they decide the fate of the children. we can do a 20-kilometer zone, which is the direct affected zone. i mean now the ministry of social policy, the ministry of infrastructure, and who else has something to do with this, and the office of children's rights is also the adviser to the president on children's rights, right? everyone should initiate that when there is no infrastructure , when school kindergartens are already destroyed, when the hospital is not working, when it is impossible for children to eat, when a city or village is under constant shelling, this is a direct threat, and in such a case, parents should be considered as a prerequisite either they leave

themselves or they bear criminal responsibility and then i am sure that the parents will not agree to criminal responsibility and will be forced to leave like this. in this way, they will be forced to leave the war zone, but it will save the children's lives. thank you very much, ms. natalya, for paying attention. on this topic, mr. roman, we hope that you, as fellow mps, will somehow adapt the family code, which, unfortunately, does not intersect with the realities of martial law in our country this is another big problem and a big tragedy for the country, which needs to be sorted out little by little, somehow to eliminate its consequences. thank you, thank you for your work. roman hryschuk, people's deputy of ukraine, author of the bill dedicated to the register of volunteers and nataliya voronkova, head of the volunteer hundred of volunteers, now there will be news on espresso tv channel with anna eva melnyk and our entire team of journalists. intin and i say goodbye on this