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glory to ukraine, this program is the verdict, my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today is the 271st day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian invaders. the nato parliamentary assembly recognized russia as a terrorist state. the new prime minister of great britain, rishi sunak, during his visit to kyiv, promised a package of aid to combat drones. france announced on the transfer of new air defense systems to ukraine, and the russian army continues to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of november 21, russia has already lost 84,600 people in ukraine in the last day the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 390 orks with the beginning of the great war the russians have already lost in ukraine 2892 tanks 5,822 armored combat vehicles 1872 artillery systems 700 379 donate

a jet system hall of fire 209 air defense means 278 aircraft 261 helicopters 4378 units of automotive equipment 16 naval missiles 480 wings 1,537 drones 161 units of special equipment about why putin disappeared from the radar and is silent on the background of the disaster of the russian army in the south of ukraine nato recognized russia as a terrorist state the same question about recognition of russia as a terrorist state will be put before the european parliament soon, what ukraine should talk about with the kremlin negotiations , we will talk about all this in the next hour for six politicians, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019 valery chalyi v valery

dobrogo on the day of good health, i congratulate you on dignity and freedom. glory to ukraine. i congratulate everyone involved in these great dates . to ukraine through your book, i recently saw that in many countries where translations of it were published, many people in the mass media focus on covering the situation even today, so thank you for a very important moment, thank you mr. valery, let's start today's news, the nato parliamentary assembly recognized the russian federation as a terrorist state, we know that the nato parliamentary assembly is a vote, by the way, but how important is a vote to the north atlantic alliance now, by the way, for the prospect of recognizing russia as a state a sponsor of terrorism considering that such a decision will matter when the united states of america declares russia a state sponsor of

terrorism. i hope that this will happen here. by the way, a body such as the nato parliamentary assembly and the european parliament recognize russia as a state sponsor of terrorism by these structures, what does this mean well, you know, it is often assessed that political bodies, i.e. parliaments or inter-burmese cooperation, are less than the executive bodies that really make the final decisions which have consequences. this is true, but i will tell you that i will surprise many, the same story, for example , the us congress . a landmark event. we hope that after the political partial signal, political officials will act in this way, because the people of these countries are determined through political bodies, and well, these

are important things, although this is a bridge only in order to there were further specific executive decisions that would already have consequences. by the way, the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelensky, addressed the nato parliamentary assembly and called on them to support our applications for membership in the eu and nato. we will hear from zelensky. i urge you to support our applications for membership in the eu and the alliance. ukrainians simply believe that we can defend ourselves in that war and return the borders of united europe to the entire length of our eastern and southern borders. ukrainians do not simply believe, ukrainians know that the strength of our democracy will be a guarantee that no piranha to the east of us will be able to threaten europe. so this happened today, november 21, on the day

of dignity and freedom, where the president spoke a lot about how ukrainians defend their dignity and freedom. well, it must be said that er, this day was established since the time of the orange revolution. then we had the revolution of dignity, although ukrainians do not fight for their freedom, for independence and dignity, they defend their dignity for several centuries, taking into account the current stage is the stage of 10 or 9 months of the great war of russia against ukraine to what extent in the european union and in nato e-e everyone understands that ukraine is becoming equal or can become equal among equals and in particular in relation to the army in relation to society and the desire of people to have their own state and fight for this state until the end

. let me really say a few words about these historical events that are close to me. it all actually started with the new stages of ukraine's independence in the 90s . we remember it. this is really a revolution in the fourth of the fifth year and it has been 13-14 years since then. in principle, all these events are connected in one chain, and even the generation that is carrying it out is exactly that. well, two generations, in fact , of this period i just want to record some things in your transmission that may be important. in 2004, when i was at these events with many of my fellow brothers, i remember how the

russians sent... regions of ukraine are criminal bandits tet took part in ensuring the falsification of elections then, so that you understand, in donetsk, in luhansk, only in the third row of the encirclement was the ukrainian militia, in the second row of the encirclement was the russian militia, and in the first row was criminality , russian criminality, so these people still wanted it then. it was a russian effort to leave us in this area and actually all these are stages - this chain stretches from those times and i will remind you. maidan in precisely the first and this revolution just then, the politicians in ukraine, uh, were uh, well, it's

hard to say. the calls were to shoot people, disperse people, this is how it is done in russia, that is, we could have russia here, but the ukrainian people did not give it the first time, and by the way, the same people who were in responsible positions , some of them the second time, and this is the number of people she increased increased increased and we have not yet reached the finals, we still have a critical mass of people who are ready to fight for dignity and freedom, people give their lives for it, so when international colleagues and partners ask now what is the formula for peace, where can we stop and they do not understand one thing, what for in ukraine, there is a period where the words freedom and dignity are also my goal. that is, it is not, well, not only territories, this is a country, what should it

be, that is, it is not just a territory that consists of some regions, it is another country, it should be for this other country. already the second generation is fighting and er well i am not saying that under the dissidents who laid the foundation of this struggle for independence for national dignity and freedom back in the time of the soviet union, therefore, in principle, i believe that without achieving these goals of freedom of making sovereign decisions, the independence of a state with a worthy position in the world, none of the ukrainians will not agree to any formula of peace. there should be only one. this is our independent ukraine in its territorial borders determined by the world. well, there are no competing borders of the year 91 and, accordingly, ukraine that accepts the decision is free, it means internal, it takes it civilly and with dignity, and this means that the internal

structure is like this, that is, it may be unpleasant for our partners to hear this, but i will tell you that it is freedom , independence and free actions not only from russia, it is a completely different style, a completely different role of ukraine in the new world, i now see the combination of these historical events in this way, and this process is now going on, and in many ways, those people who stood on the squares are now with weapons in their hands, in fact, thank god, they are not only there with some wooden with truncheons and then with some handguns. and now with more or less normal weapons, they are defending all the ideals of freedom and dignity, that is, once again - these are the same practical people, their children, so i just want to remember all those at these stages who gave their lives and to wish all families families to hold on properly now the whole country will be transformed - the big maidan has turned into a consolidated one like never before if we had any differences before between the maidan say that it was east and west then i see

that these differences are more or less reconciled have you already mentioned possible negotiations or this topic of negotiations that has been circulating especially in the western media for the past few weeks? well, of course, in the russian media as well because they are talking about the need for some kind of negotiations, something needs to be done , president zelensky clearly said that these negotiations should be public and not a single underhand game besides that on d19 zelenskyi said that there is a formula for peace, he voiced it in 10 points podolyak from the president's office once again repeated the three conditions for negotiations with the russian federation it is to stop shelling a sovereign state , to withdraw troops from the territory of a sovereign state, to return to the international rule where the borders of the states are marked, nato wants to achieve an acceptable peace agreement for ukraine, therefore it is necessary to increase military aid to kiev, nato secretary general ye

stoltenberg said. negotiations with whom he wants to achieve the goals of his special military operation in ukraine, although the goals for 9 months constantly changed from eliminating in general, remove zelenskyi from the government and the current government in general, to the point that there is denazification, demilitarization, well, all these are usually the trips they repeat. he piskov says that the west can play a positive role in possible negotiations between moscow and kyiv, let's hear piskov on the previous one, this communication with kiev shows that without a conversation with the west, the position of kyiv 8 is changeable , therefore, without a doubt

which are sent from there are very scrupulously carried out kieva p. valery, you are diplomats, a person who has devoted many years to the diplomatic service. it's been months. apparently, no one has talked to them so harshly and with all the emphasis, and yet you already mentioned civil society. well, society in general, if you wear scarves tereziv, conditionally speaking, there will be some negotiations mediated by western states and the russian federation, and on the other hand, society will not be ready for

such negotiations. what to agree on, well, first of all , the best negotiators of the armed forces of ukraine have been applied to the brother. stand also a powerful tel and you will not be able to have success on the fronts if you do not have uh reliable infrastructure restoration there is no appropriate financial support material support if families are safe then people can fight i mean these are all related things so uh in the day of landing - i want to congratulate the assault troops and their worthy ones, these troops are always ahead of us, well, all of us, with the fact that we really have such an army, the armed forces of ukraine are brilliant, but

why is the nuance here, the point is that again take offense. i consider it with all responsibility to declare that today there are no conditions for any negotiations. well, since it is called about peace, but in fact it is about an armistice or the postponement of the war, such conditions have not been met. you can say anything, anything, but they have not met . now the question arises, the statement that any war ends with negotiations, also put its conclusions, and what negotiations ended the war, which, for example, did not lead to any agreement between japan and soviet russia union, then there is no peace agreement in russia, and there is no war between these countries, that is, in principle, the war can end simply with the withdrawal of russian troops

from the territory of ukraine, a complete occupation, just within the borders, internationally recognized, including crimea and donbas, everything and for this, then, reparations are needed and what do you think, russia will reparations, did it itself agree to carry out this no, it will not do this, therefore, for this, it is not even necessary for their approval, reparations must be or another form of compensation due to seized assets must be it was done through judicial international mechanisms and the domestic mechanism, the third responsibility of russia, do you think that so easily they will put everyone there under the tribunal? no, it will be like a mountain, he and others are doing it in absentia, but their punishment will come sooner or later, so i do not think that it is uh, the repetition of this mantra , negotiations, negotiations, does it lead to anything at all, that is, there are no conditions, russia still wants

the destruction of ukraine and just a cease-fire in order to increase its capabilities, which are now seriously uh, well, they have not lost and indeed the initiative is on the side of the armed forces but at the same time, russia wants to wait for a better situation so that it dictates the conditions in ukraine under such conditions, no one, anyone, who would be in a political position would dare to take such steps because it would be capitulation . there is nothing left to continue the defense of the country and the deoccupation of ukraine well, even more so when representatives of the same russian authorities, in particular the deputy chairman of the security council of russia dmytro medveev, talks about again that kyiv is a russian city or wrote in his telegram that kyiv the capital of ancient russia, first, second, kyiv, a great little russian city within the russian empire

, third, kyiv, the republican capital within the ussr , and finally, kyiv is simply a russian city in which people always thought and spoke in russian, so that everything was clear about what and how to return, said medvedev, but in the absence zhirinovsky, probably the role of zhirinovsky in current modern russian politics medvedev's role is to announce what is public. to tell with such approaches that naked bears with such approaches that the majority of the representatives of the russian government will stand does this mean that no one will ever come to an agreement with the current russian government and that in principle there must be a period of denazification of the same russia or a period

of brainwashing from this entire russian propaganda just pounding the frank pounding that is put into their heads. should it be some uh there 50 years in a period of 50 or 100 years when, in principle, this country should develop independently somewhere behind the barbed wire so that she is not seen there at all, representatives of this russian federation, you know well, let's start with the late zhirynovsky, well , medvedev is very far from the intellect of zhirynovsky, very well and zhinovsky, the cynical zhirynovsky, has always been the enemy of the country, but you definitely can't deny his intelligence, he video this is different. well, for example, i don’t want to characterize it with something else. resistance means in relation to what is happening, i will tell you that it did not happen at one moment. if you compare the

discussion in the russian establishment in 2000 there 2006, then later, they were very serious . what is happening now is probably the consequences of the events of 2005-6, and before the eighth, these years were critical. now we can see that the regression has already started and went in the opposite direction, but it was these years that determined the positions of many representatives of russia, and when in fact a new ideology was announced. well, it was finally formed by putin and his closest entourage and which was based on a more authoritarian model and a model that more than 50% of all officials in russia have taken the special services, moreover, i will tell you one of the reasons why russia failed in ukraine, and

it repeatedly became the fact that they are the mother of russian cities, yes. what did they do, for example , in their intelligence, they compared ukraine to the territory of a near foreign country and, accordingly, to us they replaced professional intelligence, as i have traditionally worked here since soviet times, military intelligence was replaced by not external, even development, because how could they perceive ukraine as something external. and on the fsb, and i saw how inadequate people began to give information to moscow. that is, you are not surprised that they did not understand what was happening, that is all those people who understood what ukraine is, they threw them out a long time ago and the final purge took place in 2014 after the crimea, that is, those groups that, uh, in russia offered

there were other scenarios before crimea. well, i know seven letters that have long been tasked with what to do with crimea, three groups that included experienced diplomats and spies of previous times, they offered a different solution, yes, those already. are already working, that is, this group prevailed there, not just hawks, but people who know less what ukraine is, know less, work less professionally, so in conclusion, i will say that what they created in 20 years, theoretically, in 20 years, could be rolled out in the opposite direction if use the same propaganda machine, but it is unlikely that this will happen in russia. that is why my forecast is completely different. i think we will see that this stalk will not be called a vent. and this group of people

will physically leave the stage, and then only then the leadership of russia or the group of countries that will be created in these areas will be transformed, then we will see what will happen there. i don't see anything optimistic. i don't see this process. it will be very painful for russia. not for russia. the character that we will all die. even if they die, they will die, and further means further. everything depends on historical development, on those people who live there, and we need to be there to guarantee our safety. we need to join nato. we need to show how it doesn't sound funny, this wire is the border so that there are no illegal crossings, this will have to be done. we will really have to do a completely different policy with russia, this territory and this population have shown their complete inability to live

in peace. for example, i have met and talked to a lot of people, starting with putin, and there were opportunities to talk about deeper topics and with different people, so you do not rely on them for the next 10-15-20 years, we need to look for them as just shut up and what they will have is their question, we just need to protect ourselves from their threats, for this we need missiles that are medium shorter range that reach their key points with, as they say, decision-making, for this we need a nato umbrella and for we need to finally realize that there are no good russians, bad russians, the territory of residence of those who stayed there and agreed with such a formula, it largely determines their wall and support for this regime , and those who wanted to leave left long ago at the beginning

in the 2000s, there was no such thing as a mountain in russia in order to take a position against e-e authoritarianism, against expansion. i know many people who are russians abroad, normal russians with whom you can communicate, but who did not leave, especially after the occupation of crimea, annexation with a trial of annexation, then i i think that it is not worth counting on them, therefore, in summary, i will say yes, we should be more interested not so much in what will happen in russia, but to what extent ukraine can protect itself from any destructive russian scenarios for the future about we will talk about this in a minute, friends. i want to say that we work on several platforms at the same time on the air of the espresso tv channel, as well as in our social networks on youtube and facebook. for those who are currently watching us live, please like the video either on youtube or on facebook for

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of our european allies, thirdly, russian outright brutality is a direct attack on our common values ​​and the rule of law, and finally, the russian invasion is aimed against the international order based on rules that ensure security for all of us. place or determine russia's place on the international arena is the big 19, where in fact russia dropped out of the top 20 because putin did not come to the ball, but lavrov flew in and left very quickly, then the court in the hague and the verdict on the downing of the plane mh17 where three citizens were killed