well, she will not dare to threaten this situation in the european union and nato. and please tell me, in this situation with the fall of a ukrainian missile, a non-ukrainian missile on the territory of poland, is the right position taken by the leadership of ukraine? but you know the first reaction, i think it was correct, it reminded me of july 17, 2014, when we had evidence, we immediately said that it was russia, and a few days ago, a court in the netherlands confirmed that the first position was the ukrainian authorities on july 17, 2014, when the malaysian boeing was shot down, it was the right reaction, the right reaction, and now the ukrainian authorities have also taken the right position that this is an attack against nato, you finally have to open your eyes and say that this is not a ukrainian war

, not a ukrainian crisis - this is a european war and accordingly treat this with all seriousness , that is, the position was taken correctly well, that's good . let's listen to mr. petre, what the prime minister of estonia said this week, who is it? first, let's listen, then there will be a question. testifies to the seriousness of russian aggression and the fact that its consequences go beyond the borders of ukraine, the only thing that is clear is that this incident would never have happened without a full-scale war against poland's neighboring ukraine, the only culprit of this war is russia, our main conclusion from this is that the aggressor will never stop unless he to stop the longer it goes on, the harder it becomes, and that is why we must continue to support ukraine by providing more military, humanitarian and financial aid, this is the way to peace, she commented exactly that what you and i just talked about was the fall of a

rocket on the territory of poland, but the minister of foreign affairs of the czech republic, jan lipavsky, being in great britain and also last week during the presentation of the magnitsky award to him, he said, now i will quote the ukrainians have clearly stated that they do not want to be part of the moscow empire and their struggle with an aggressive neighbor is also a struggle for european security and perhaps this winter will be more difficult, but the price of slavery is greater - this is the end of his quote. he added that ukraine is fighting for its survival now, and therefore no one should tell it what it should do. well, the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania, gabrielia slanzbergis, last week, also commenting on all the events, said that the main thing we should do now is to give ukraine the same

as you by the way, in response to previous questions, they said to give more weapons so that ukraine could fight aggression. look, i have repeatedly asked my interlocutors questions about why people in eastern europe have different reactions and in western europe to what is currently happening in ukraine, because before the cold winter, western europeans are already somewhat afraid of this cold winter of lack of gas and they have a different attitude than eastern europeans, but you have a different question. please tell me why such is the difference between eastern europeans, why is it the same? estonia, which is represented by what kind of person, why is the czech republic represented by jan lipavsky, why is lithuania represented by gabrielia, the elephant from the shore, why is poland, slovakia, can they make such frank statements and support us? well, there is countries such as, for example, again from eastern europe and hungary. aren't they

also afraid of this cold winter? i mean those who support us, and hungary is very afraid. what is the difference between these countries? why is it so? i think the answer lies in domestic politics. you see, in hungary there is a leader and a party in power who have set themselves every goal to stay in power , including by any means and for any money, will it be money from the european union or will it be loans from china or will this cheap oil and gas uh, from russia, but they are trying to combine this in their policy and in vain, hungary is already recognized as the least democratic ukraine within europe, and from this we have to draw a very important conclusion that it is precisely non-democratic countries that tend to pursue aggressive policies and tend to neglect the interests of their closest relatives by russia, and

this means that in the end it may raise questions about hungary's membership in the european union and who can rely on such allies, so you know hungarians, hungarians it seems to the prime minister of the body that he conducts politics very cunningly, outplays everyone and will remain in power and will raise his country, but in fact, the country is strong not only in its power, but also in the attitude towards itself from its neighbors, and here hungary loses the most, well, and of course, they hope that at the last moment they will choose the place of the winners, that is, they will join the winners, russia will win, they will choose russia, the elections of ukraine, you will see the organ, one of the first to congratulate volodymyr zelensky online, i would really like to orban congratulated volodymyr zelenskyi in particular, although he said it incorrectly. i believe that orban will eventually congratulate volodymyr zelenskyi and understand how wrong he was in doing what he

is doing, unfortunately, now, mr. petar. well , look a little bit about russia, considering what we are discussing what happened, russia can now somehow play on this. yes. she is trying to play on this. look, the minister of foreign affairs of hungary is going to a meeting in sochi. they are trying to reduce the pressure on russia and say that this is not a military event in ukraine, they are calling the same messages and russia, too, because of such politicians, the russians are korban, because of the politicians of austria, in germany, in fact, everywhere in all the countries of the european union there are anti-american politicians who have a pro-russian attitude, who spread russian messages and try to influence the politics of their countries. russia tirelessly did this with the task

of the 2000s and tirelessly continues to do it now therefore, we must pay tribute to our diplomats, who are waging a daily struggle in every country, clarifying, reporting, and we must give due credit to our public diplomacy and our citizens who are currently abroad. by their behavior and their attitude, they show that they are also europeans and civil society, too. actively works with the european press and brings out the truth about the war, you know, all this is like bricks in our victory and all this destroys this russian soft influence, it has already been destroyed in ukraine and i think we then we will destroy it in europe, we will definitely destroy it . and please tell me if this destruction of ours does not hinder us, after all, i wanted to say a difficult european winter, just a european winter, yes, winter does interfere, you are absolutely

right, eh, prices are biting eh- the prices are hitting the industry and you know the only thing i see is that already in europe, here are the statements of macron scholz after the liberation of kherson, the understanding is coming that it is better to survive three months of severe winter than to live 70 years of winter under the control of an authoritarian regime or 70 years to live another 70 years to live in the conditions of the winter of the cold war. when you depend on which foot the dictator of a neighboring country with nuclear weapons will stand up and whether he will want to destroy you some evening or morning or not try to blackmail you with this destruction and demand for some kind of preferential conditions in europe, the understanding comes that it is better to postpone these three months than the next decades to live in constant fear, well, look, i did not intend to ask you this question , but you mentioned the president of france, emmanuel

macron, and the chancellor of germany, olef scholz, both last week, they again said in an interview that no matter what anyone says, they are going to continue talking and calling putin. what do you think? well, why? well, they still see the futility of these efforts . why these statements? again, this is partly internal politics . er attitude, that is, they show that they are pursuing an independent policy from the united states, let's not forget that in germany and france, too, there are anti-american sentiments in all parties, and therefore the leaders of these countries need to show that they are in a confrontation with they are not in russia because of the dictates of the united states. this is the opinion that is often imposed, but because national interests demand it, and accordingly, they also try to conduct politics when, on the one hand, they support ukraine, and on the other hand, they

show a desire to avoid a direct confrontation with russia and this is only possible through negotiations, well, let's see what will prevail, it seems to me that as western aid to ukraine increases, the opportunities and willingness of the kremlin to talk with western leaders decreases and you know, you say that they are reducing the kremlin's willingness to talk so and so, that is, the kremlin also sees that it is being drawn into a long-term conflict, which and thus the kremlin's vision is that they want to strangle them with these economic sanctions, this will continue the war and win in the long run, because in russia there is an understanding that europe is more powerful, economically more powerful than russia. it can withstand this pressure , it has already withstood it, pumped enough gas and will give up russian energy carriers, so it seems to me that it is just, as they say in america, a lip service

that is, it's just a tribute to a certain fashion that we are ready to talk to putin, but the ball neopolia wants to talk to us, ok, it doesn't want to well, then let it feel and let russia feel for the consequences of its actions in ukraine, that is, i think that the matter goes to greater support for ukraine, and this is only a certain diplomatic embellishment that we are there to help but we will never refuse russia, well, god forbid that this should happen well, mr. petra, the last question for you for today and tell me, please. last week, information also appeared about that that the swedish prosecutor's office is completing the investigation into the causes of the explosions on two russian lawns , nord stream 1 and nord stream 2, which pass along the bottom of the baltic sea

. the prosecutor said that during the investigation, explosive remnants were found during the investigation. when do you think this investigation will end, and the culprit will be named? i think you will name the innovation and you know that the main reason for this is commercial interests because er, the pipeline was not dirty with russian money . it was sold for western money, appropriate loans were taken, and what's more, the value of this pipeline was supposed to be compensated due to the sale of gas through this pipeline. when it turns out that russia itself blew it up, believe me, er, the guilty will be brought and russia will have to pay for the damage she caused not only to companies. and this is also a large environmental school , so yes, there are commercial interests here, the interests of russia's ecology simply will not be given, believe me, you think russia will pay even if it is called and she will be called that, i am so sure. well, i think we are here,

we have to say, if you want russia to pay you according to the bills, do everything for our victory, and our victory guarantees that russia will sit down at the negotiating table and agree to reparations and with all the damage that is specified under during the war, because the pipeline was blown up during the war and it was part of this war, so there is no doubt that's why we will run our line there too. thank you, mr. peter. thank you for thank you for answering my question today, as usual always correct. i thank you very much for participating in the program. it was petro burkovsky, executive director of the democratic initiatives foundation named after ilko kucheriv. well, half of the program has already passed, and i am already told that my next guest is already on the phone . voting results report uh something you had to not actively vote only 126 people pressed the button so i asked you a-ah will the european parliament call

russia a sponsor of terrorism and call it he should do it on wednesday somewhere between 1st and 2nd of the day kyiv time so 61% of those who pressed such a button on youtube believe that the name is 35% still say that it will not be named, and your version, four percent of the options can be seen in the comments. well, i am ready to present my next the guest is oleksandr khara, an expert on foreign and security policy of the center for defense strategies, mr. oleksandr. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. i congratulate you, mr. yury . thank you for joining me. i am waiting for your professional answers. i will ask you. and how would you answer the question that i asked on youtube? does he admit or not? rather

, you are from heaven. in principle, it is not governments that should take into account, let's say, some consequences and keep them for themselves, simply for maneuvering. members of the european parliament voted in favor several times. rather harsh resolutions against the russian federation, but there are putin's friends, there are definitely stupid leftists or far-rights who will vote against it, but they are in the minority and definitely against the background of these crimes that are accumulating, meaning from lutsk unusual russian federation is accumulating and the main one recently was this massive missile strikes , including this situation with poland, of course all this is such a favorable cloi of information that well, it can push them to vote so we understand that this is a call only to governments er governments they can actually ignore this well of course but it's good that there will be such a call i really hope

that it will be very, very much i hope we will wait for this wednesday mr. oleksandr let's start with such a-a edition of neosvet three days ago very such well i even i don't know what to call her provocative article, it's not provocative, but it's very funny, it published an article in its columns, and in this article, with a reference to one of the russian spies, who was called who called himself windows change. the struggle is going on now and this struggle can even lead to a civil war, i will tell you honestly. personally , this is my personal opinion. i don't really like reading newsweek. sometimes i think he is involved. but nevertheless, we can neither trust such statements nor falsehood, it was wrong to ask not

to trust, but can we, reading such articles, start to rejoice? well, you know, first of all, hope cannot be part of a strategy, i would definitely like to see a civil war in to the russian federation, i am absolutely not a humanist here, because the evils that russia has committed not only in ukraine, and i speak for modern russia. i am not talking about the empire there, the empire of evil, that would definitely be good, or they have to pay - pay the bills, including and with its collapse, i hope it will be the final, let's say, the final payment for all these crimes. that's how, to be honest, it's not like that. i really believed it, because the russian federation, as well as the successor of the soviet union, is a mysterious entity, and it's actually quite difficult. to understand what is real and what are the games of these heads or special services, let's remember the operation of the trust. ingenious. by the way , the operation that the nkvd conducted as it led

the british and other intelligence agencies. of the named sources, what are some sources that this is simply hoarding for us in order to give us some false impression, remember a month ago everyone was talking about putin's undetected illness and so on, here is the second moment, then it is brilliant and here it is necessary that many books will be written later the way he built his power, how he controls everyone. and in general, russians are characterized by horizontal distrust, and actually this is one of the reasons why and even there, this disparate position is not going to happen. the film 17 moments of spring when hitler is criticized there, you don't know if it's true or not . since the situation is like this, any sober person understands that the situation was bad. but are there dictaphones

in this briefcase? this printout will get to hitler. and actually in russia, too, it is the special forces who control the military. they hope that there will be a military coup . it is impossible. the russian opposition dreams that after a miracle, putin left lada, they will come to power, and now they want the event and the plan. marshal, what did they arrange for them? well, we call it a stupid idea of ​​the rich, certainly the russian people, they are certainly mostly not satisfied with the poor equipment of the killers whom they send here, and not with the fact that this war is senseless for russia. absurd that since in fact they are losing a lot and actually the collapse of the russian federation will be the result of this war, i hope that within a year it will not be more than that and therefore hope that there is something like that of mutineers, someone is liberated there dissatisfied people lose money, their children, their

mistresses cannot go abroad, and they are looked at as murderers, which they are in principle, there is pleasure in them, but it is hardly possible to shake his power, he is quite, i say, he is brilliant as a construction - he built a system total control of fear in front of all of this environment. i am not talking about the preterians and the national guard of the soviet union. all those who are devoted to him are very difficult, as in fact, religious devotion, so i don't think that he can be converted, but you, oleksandr think that war will end precisely with the collapse of the russian empire. because some of our interlocutors said that the war will end with our victory and the collapse of the russian empire will happen after some time. do you think that this is the very end of the war? the end of the war will be the collapse. so these are the scenarios. we are fighting on our territory. unfortunately, our partners, especially the americans, do not

provide us with means of destruction in the depth of the territory , despite the fact that we are hitting the temporarily occupied ukrainian crimea and the adjacent regions of the russian federation. well, let's say this, it 's still not as massive as it should be. that's why only the collapse of russian troops on the territory of ukraine. they can simply push to internal problems . unconditionally, but i simply don’t believe that yes, let’s say yes, some things are real, at least under these conditions, putin, you can say again, give him credit , he pretty well controls not only the information space, but also the financial system, and we we saw that despite the very painful sanctions , the central bank of the russian federation is still holding back the blow. we have not seen anything so drastic that would indicate a collapse. and the fact that russia will ultimately collapse is

absolutely obvious from the point of view of the management model that it built it exhausts itself considering the fact that our european partners, above all, actually gave up dependence on almost, well, not totally it's cut into other markets, they don't have technology, there's no money for other things. that's it, actually. i think that even then certain regions will think about whether we need this senseless war at all. we lost our people, we lost a lot of money, and we were actually fed there. the center, which also seems to me to be this collapse, that is, there are some democrats, not democrats, but the regions - this is what will bury this russian empire. let's hope that in the near future you will see the republic of tatarstan, which will restore its constitution . i hope that the republic of siberia will appear. i don't know what they will call themselves there, but if there is no

access to regions rich in minerals, then moscow will turn into such a meeting place for perovists who simply do not have the resources to implement their assessments in some way oh how about me oleksandr, i like your scenario of such a russian apocalypse. and to be honest, i prefer your version that the split will begin immediately after the war. russia really wants it to be like that, let's now move on to the g20, exactly that. of the leaders of the g20 countries, which took place last week in indonesia on the island of bali. please tell me your opinion, did they come, talk and leave or not? well, first of all, this is an informal gathering, and i think that it was quite successful in general, because actually the organizers managed to overcome all these contradictions, because apart from the formal agenda there, health

care, not energy and digitization, of course the two big topics were ukraine, more precisely, russian aggression against ukraine, and that means opposition to china and of the united states. we have seen a friendly, let's say, handshake between xi jinping and mr. biden. by and large, biden is trying to reduce this degree of confrontation now, although it is certainly true that they are preparing, including for a possible military confrontation, just a month ago, about mr. biden, biden said that the american military will defend taiwan, now they will help taiwan, especially by learning the lessons of ukraine from the point of view of the stupidity of some dictators who want to seize other territories and secondly, how are the soldiers doing modern, that is why taiwan will now study our experience and will be helped by this upbringing in ukraine in a joint statement that might not

be issued at all. they also quoted the resolution of the general assembly, which is actually not firm about it, and that's how it came out, and thank god, because well, if there wasn't such a statement, then it would have been worse, then i didn't take part. definitely against the background of his defeat in kherson, and here i have to say two things, two things are very important, first of all, this is the victory of ukraine, we must constantly talk about it, and despite the fact that there was no, let's say yes, the clearing of these liberations of this city, street by street, and in fact, with your own blood, your own weapons, the ukrainian armed forces cleaned up and made it possible, and the second moment is the same victory for ukraine as for our partners, if there were no bahaimers, if there were no other long-range artillery, then of course what such success would not be

it was possible. therefore, we have a simple order, but against this background, putin decided not to go, but sent the whole thing, just to kiev, they are showing the sad horse. and what is there? well, in principle, she also did not follow through to the end and actually told there the kremlin’s, this little , these kremlin’s. well, that was also positive. and the speech of the ukrainian president with ten points and actually putin's answer to 10 points for 10 missiles and it seems to me that the metaphor used by the president of ukraine is also quite apt, they are extremely positive because the world sees that this is russia and how it responds to the possibility of diplomacy based on the norms and international law of the statute, the corner of what the president said and in fact it is. but on the other hand , there were countries that did not really share the approaches of the west. china itself does not like sanctions, because it definitely tries on these clothes and does not want to be in such a position, plus

there are definitely countries that see through distorted history that the soviet union once helped there to free itself from colonial european rule they believe in western countries, a large number of them believe in the theory that it was western sanctions that caused the famine, which means that if ukraine is developing, it is definitely working there and there is something to work on. here, but on the whole, we shot a positive summit, uh, our topic was definitely there it was important in the joint statement, more precisely, according to the results of the conversation, all the calls and joe biden's let's say yes, the warning to moscow not to use nuclear weapons is important, it is definitely again after a certain time russia will threaten nuclear weapons weapons, but for a few weeks a month. they will definitely remember this statement and will not touch this topic, so in principle i

assess this as positive for us. do you look at nuclear weapons and russia they started talking, i wasn't going to ask you this question, but i'll ask it, they said, well, medvedev at least talked about how ukraine will begin to liberate the new territories annexed to russia, so russia may be there in general, armageddon may be there, and it was after the crimean bridge, after the beginning of the liberation of the new territories annexed to russia's territory that it will be armageddon, nothing has happened, now it's obvious we're going further, we'll reach crimea, and there are already statements from russia that uh, if the ukrainians intend to retake crimea by force, russia will use its nuclear potential. what do you think, considering what you said is again threats so definitely because let's put it this way, mr. president of the united

states backs up his words with actions. meeting with his constituents and these were, well, and you criticized him for that, by the way, but it should be seen that if there was a test of an intercontinental ballistic missile by the united states, they postponed such tests for a very long time until february 24, but they did it and secondly to me it seems that this is a rather important moment that our media missed. this is what the americans showed at the british naval base in gibraltar. cruise missiles with tactical nuclear weapons. it was a demonstration of russia itself that this should not be done , then there was information that jacob sullivan , the national security adviser of the united

states , is talking to mr. with this boorish well, and representative genre to remind of oneself, well, in patrurshav, it is a figure and maybe there they say that about his son, what can happen and even to the successors, and after after putin, and certainly that and very the positive news was that they are going . diplomacy behind closed doors and a demonstration of the ability and readiness to do something i am not talking about the fact that former military personnel in er-e means all kinds of conferences in our coats, the newspaper pondered what the answer might be when the united states struck ukraine with a nuclear strike, they

definitely touched primarily on a non-nuclear one