and the first decision was adopted by the ukrainian parliament, an appeal to bartholomew, and my trip to istanbul was in the 16th year, literally as soon as i became the chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, because i was always very deeply aware that the war that russia is waging against us ivan is not only about tanks are about capturing the souls and minds of ukrainians and, unfortunately, the institution that calls itself the church of the moscow patriarchate was one of the important instruments of that aggression of the occupation of ukraine since the 14th year, many of them called for war, some of them took part in hostilities despite the moscow patriarchate. and the entire network of their churches promoted russian peace, the same as putin, the same ideological positions of the propaganda position in russia, i have no doubt that today this

activity continues, we know that in their monasteries the first subversive intelligence groups were taken into account in particular, the union group and i am convinced that even at this stage of our war of independence, most of them play a devastating role, i emphasize not only with my words, we heard their sermons about russian peace in the country and russia, but also by enumeration of subversive and intelligence groups, which at the beginning of the full-scale invasion of kyiv had tens of thousands and tens of thousands. here the church of the moscow patriarchate played a very important anti-ukrainian role, and today's

searches and today's actions of the authorities give grounds for optimism, i hope that enough will be collected the evidence is enough for the argumentation. i helped to ensure that it was proven and that it was adopted at the state level. strict administrative actions. we all expect with nadiya that it will not be easy . andriy valentinovych. there are many lawyers in this church in the upper echelons of the ukrainian government, not even lawyers. and many of the ukrainian political leaders consider the same pasha mercedes to be their clergyman. who are these people? will they not now stand up for the protection of the russian orthodox church, even if they are in the security service of ukraine there will be indisputable evidence of cooperation from this church. is it a pseudo-church with the occupying ukrainian special services during this war? i hope there was not enough rigidity and enough markers

to understand who is one's and who is the enemy, and i hope that no supporters of this church will be able to prevent law enforcement agencies. i count, because otherwise the main function of the ukrainian power structures is shaking during the war, the time of repelling the russian invasion, and therefore i will not predict, i will not be a pessimist, because it is in its own way in essence, i will hope that the data set of information that is available not only in the security service, but that is in public access, we will be able to observe you and will be sufficient so that this investigation will not be suspended by any political leadership mr. andriyu, and you yourself as e- e when the head of the parliament was still in office, you saw with your own eyes the documents on the lease of the premises of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, the pochaiv lavra , the svyatohorsk lavra, because we talked with rostislav pavlenka

that there was no lease expiration date on them they are endless, i.e. until the second coming of christ . the russian orthodox church can appeal. we, you , signed with us an endless lease. we will be here all our lives and stay. why did this happen ? were either completely loyal to russia or will be direct agents of influence. i was surprised by the fact that when signing one of the gas agreements at a certain stage, the condition of the gas agreement was the opening of cells churches of the moscow patriarchate in all administrative units of ukraine of the president of that time and when today it is called and when today they

emphasize how many branches of the church of the moscow patriarchate there are, this is completely incorrect data, they were opened by non-believers, they were opened along the lines of the administration of regional districts and all the way to the bottom to show the report that ukraine has fulfilled the conditions for a discount, so you offer us our churches cheaper. there is a key aspect, they are all owned by the state of ukraine. i never specifically demanded in the original to see them, i can safely say that the government has sufficient tools for the state to return property to the state, if the state could return huge industrial enterprises that were already formally in private ownership, then there where the state has property. it has all the tools to return the property to the

hands of the state, especially if the state property is used for anti-ukrainian sabotage activities against ukraine in the capital, tanks of the state, the centers of kyiv. i am sure that it is only a matter of political will and determination and ability in the matter of the church. i am convinced that our term of office has shown enough determination and ability. these are those that are historical assets owned by the state, for example , villages, cities - they are the property of communities, that's right, but we are not currently observing, do you see some kind of surge even in my native village and it remains the moscow church for the amount or not, how much did the tanks

go ? russian questions. and the question of time would be the position of the authorities. mass events are not on time, it is not about the fact that the authorities sent messages and gathered people about the fact that the authorities heard a lot of communities where the majority of communities are ready for the transition but in order to carry out all these formal procedures a few steps and the government should stand in those steps as much as possible and not turn away and not silently observe and turn away from those people who have free will and in this case, time also matters, but surely the authorities understand the importance of the aspect that he emphasized is the struggle for the soul on the condition of the people understanding what the deep aspect is very important

. first, they capture our souls, then the tanks come, and then the machine guns come. nevertheless, even the construction of russian temples even in the center of the capital. what is it called there? of the holy trinity church of the bc of the so-called mp on zhilyanska žylyanska, a large vasylkivsky one, it was under construction and the temple is almost here , a huge one is about to open, in which not 1 million hryvnias have been invested in the amount, we need to work with people, i talked about the responsibility of the authorities, but we also need to work with people conduct to understand that there is one church in ukraine, according to the orthodox economy, there can be only one orthodox church in one country, and it is the orthodox church of ukraine, and in this case it is a question of us and the land and everyone, the main thing is that the question should not be on the agenda, you are talking about it, especially local self-government, there are all the levers, please, the community

gathered, collected the signatures, decided to change it, there are no problems , but it should be, as they say, it is on the agenda, that's why we are talking about it, sir andriano, you interestingly said the number of tens of thousands at the beginning of a full-scale war and already the invasion in kyiv, there were only agents, well, that is, they are not just people who walked the streets, they are in positions and state authorities. and why were there, aren’t they already gone? they were shared, i can tell you in more detail , i can briefly describe briefly, because again, if the security and defense committee has a certain volume of information for you, they probably can't share it with everyone, but surely your desks can share it when the first plans were to capture kyiv in three days, and it was realistic in their plans, the paratroopers broke through in lviv quarter, they had to come to the meeting not thousands, but tens of thousands of people who were to be organized, transported to the tanks of kyiv, who were to invite russia, who would be this network and basis

established the so-called sports combat sections of medvedchuk, kiwi people who received huge amounts of money over the years, who reported to russia that this whole network, and you are a network of thousands of thousands of people , they need to have combat experience, they will be able to go out and organize themselves, and when the government is also organized in a consular manner, they should also put pressure on the owl and a demonstration of the fact that kyiv is waiting for russian paratroopers this one was the lowest network the following i was surprised that many sabotages cost the people of groups of the so-called five drg they lived here from one to four years, i.e. they appeared in kyiv, they were advice on apartments, as

they say, they collected mushrooms, wolves, paths, and in 2-3 years, they were no longer a wonder for the neighbors, they seem to live here, and these people were waiting for time x in order to carry out the tasks of the fsb because we saw all these markings and we saw the targeting of enemy artillery. this was the second such network and probably the most dangerous is the network that remained with the law enforcement agencies and in the army, this is also true, of course we know about many of those facts about the removal of many, let's say, the military, about the destruction of ukrainian equipment, deliberate subversive destruction and this network of those preserved agents . of course, they existed even from the time when i, the

gen . and it was this network that did the most damage, especially in the first days and in the first weeks, when there was a certain confusion, and i want to pay tribute, particularly in kyiv. we started talking about kyiv about their trees when the people of kyiv showed this incredible self-organization , it is not even enough to say desperation , when once again tens of thousands of kyivans took to the streets with assault rifles as part of the terror defense, when they showed readiness and desperation to destroy any manifestations of subversive actions and subversive groups, the entire this so -called network kiwi medvedchuka simply scattered , she simply did not have a chance, those people received funds with their hands. these boys and girls who went out at three, they received funds for years from no one but their

desperate, their spirit was so strong that all these plans after the first day of two, when they were still being brought up and did some actions, they simply either ran away from kyiv or were neutralized on the question why does our network exist, i can tell you to a very large extent that today it has already been neutralized. of course, there is still a group of professional groups, buying up wedding groups - these are really militants whose goal is the liquidation of certain persons or the liquidation and, let's say, the undermining of certain important institutions, but to a large extent to a greater extent, this entire network has already been liquidated today andriy well, i think that the most highly professional group is sitting with you in the parliament over there in the back on the right. i mean the psg faction, which split into two groups and continues to go to

work, get a salary, make decisions, have access to the state secrets to enter. i understand yours, including the committee on national security and defense, and few people are generally concerned with this issue of finding this group in the ukrainian parliament. you want european solidarity in this regard, he takes a very strict position that these are really people who for many, many years, as i said, will be direct or indirect lobbyists of russian interests. today we remember the orange revolution, the revolution of dignity . itself. there are also many deputies whom we very much brought, this is the filtersha group, this is the boyka group, which always during our struggle for independence throughout this era, they were direct representatives of the interests of the russian federation and of course, this is a political issue, and of course

the position of the government is important here, but unfortunately , today the government uses their votes a lot, they are scared and are ready to vote for anything in order for the scoreboard to be 226, and obviously this is also one of the reasons for such loyalty to the people, despite the official ban the party professionally, ban psg . i think their demonstrative loyalty and support of the government in all its endeavors is the reason for the government's loyalty to them, respectively. andrei, you mentioned the destruction of equipment, but not only equipment they destroyed whole cities and whole regions, you mentioned tero in kyiv, unfortunately kherson terror did not manage to defend kherson and in the lilac park in kherson in the center, almost all of teo was destroyed there, more than 30 people were destroyed right in this park, which was defending itself from bmp and amitans

with ordinary automatic weapons and even sometimes with hunting weapons, when and how do you think, whether it is time now or time after the war, who and when will be responsible for the surrender of kherson for the surrender of melitopol for the surrender of mariupol, well, another question but the task of berdyansk you know the problem of the south of ukraine, it is obvious that we raised this issue at once in the committee, i cannot talk about all the things, i will say only one thing , a rather important thing that during the five years of the 16th year, i was often asked the question of who surrendered the crimea well, so that we do not resemble each other the advantages of different situations are very different but the advantage of the opponents of the direction was an extraordinary extraordinary advantage and of course there were agents of influence, we know that the head of the security service who i was arrested in addition to who held a high position in the ukrainian state and for other leaders is

suspended and an investigation is being conducted and i am sure that ukrainian society and the ukrainian army will demand the results of this investigation, at the same time i want to note what is very important for me as ukrainian society, the ukrainian people defended their land in kherson and in kharkiv and in sumy, where there was a balance of power it's unbelievable in kherson the guys couldn't hold kherson. it's true , it's a big tragedy. i have a lot of friends, a lot of acquaintances in kherson, but at the same time in sumy, there were large areas of the city when thousands of russian columns were moving towards kyiv, they were afraid to enter sumy, where in fact the teroborona performed the key function of defense, where simply the guys of citizens with machine guns in okhtyrka in sumy did not approach their city and said this is

our city, we will not let anyone here, the same thing happened in kharkiv and in many other cities, the ideologies of putin and those who promote the lutsk peace are an integral part of russia, this is already such a phenomenon that everyone is now trying to understand so that putin is not informed in the same way. in principle, he is, well, no he is stupid and he saw the revolutions that took place in our country, yesterday was the day of dignity and today is the anniversary of the orange revolution, well, we want to talk about the nature of this desperation of ours, he has not yet seen how the ukrainian people were able to defeat the same yanukovych, as they said then that putin i wanted to reach kyiv in three days, but a village in the sumy oblast stood in the way. yes, there was a terrorist attack, but people in my village were actually just wearing boys' sneakers. unfortunately, two of them were already buried at the front . that this is a deeply ill person with his illusions. he is very

deeply convinced that without ukraine the russian empire will not be able to exist as a phenomenon. he is deeply convinced that this will happen to russia if it does not restore control over ukraine . our revolutions and the orange revolution, these were also links of the same chain, these were the stages of the struggle for independence, we understand that if yanukovych had become ukraine then, they would have transformed ukraine into the modern one it is today like belarus and during the revolution of dignity, these were the same links of the struggle for independence, but he has some kind of morbid idea that this is some part of the hyper-passionate ukrainians, as he likes to say, the galicians, are there any others there, such as you, who promote this idea, but in their array especially this russian spring, we stopped it back in the

class year, i will remind you that the idea of ​​the russian spring this was the next stage after the crimean occupation of ukraine, and in the 14th year, defending odesa, kherson, mykolaiv, some of them were already captured by the administration we were able to stop kharkiv, but he continued to be under the illusion that if on the territory of the whole country, then at least in this so-called novorosa, as he calls it, the majority of people are fascinated by him and consider him the president. you just need to give it the opportunity for russian troops to enter and they will be greeted with flowers and it is true. i have access to certain closed information and it is true that he lived in that illusion in this deep big illusion that it is still a part of russia. he did not understand what proceedings there are already between ukraine and russia and after the orange revolutions after the revolution of dignity, he didn't lose anything, he didn't understand anything and he won't understand anything anymore,

because it's not the right age, he's going to suffer a defeat, don't you? look at all these stages, all these years of the orange revolution, a huge geopolitical polish putin's revolution of dignity, a huge simply the collapse of putin's ideology in this war well, look, it's like some kind of legend, like in such legendary epics, let's say epics from when we were in kyiv and you were, i was in kyiv, i stood at roadblocks and it seemed that kyiv would be closed for another day or two and we were forced to retreat from near kyiv to chernigov from near sumy, then moscow, then a snake-like donkey, our nexus in kharkiv is kherson, which is of great importance, of immeasurable importance, that we were able to lean on the dnieper and can concentrate our forces in the direction east to melitopol. he is always a

gatekeeper and this is just his helplessness, the worthlessness of rockets on the civilian population on civilian infrastructure. this is a complete sign of his incapacity and incapacity, the spirit that we felt and not the orange revolution and not the revolution dignity and i had the great honor of being involved in the orange revolution before the revolution of dignity you were the commandant of the maidan and in principle well, it was a kind of miniature of what we are seeing now, yes, well, there were some first roadblocks and barricades, you stopped then, you understood then what would happen a full-scale war. this is how i understand it. i told many friends and politicians who did not believe in this, well, frankly , they looked at me with surprise. i said there would be a war in russia.

we accepted the battle in kyiv. and when it was already official where crimea was captured, the self-defense maidan formed the first volunteer battalions of the national guard. in fact, i was one of the co-authors of the amendments to the law on the national guard, reported it to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and i called on thousands and thousands of self-defenders like us they said , we went to the far barricades from the instytutskaya barricade, from the hrushevsky barricade to the debaltsevo barricade, fortunately, we were able to retake it, and so it was the same battle on during the orange revolution, the battle on the maidan of dignity it was the same battle and the enemy was the same. it's just that if he acted on the maidan through yanukovych's puppet, then already in the east. we directly clashed with the army, the regular army of the russian federation, and the same battle is still going on today, and a huge number of those people who were on the maidan

and those who were there from the first evening, because i remember very well that first evening on the maidan when there were not so many of us, today they are not fighting in all directions of the front, even sometimes when they are no longer young, they are they are in uniform with machine guns and they defend the ukrainian state in the same way as they defended it then, because these are all the stages of our struggle for independence, these are all the stages of defending our statehood and what the entire ukrainian people are doing is something incredible and something that the whole world is fascinated by like when we have international trips, they just look at us as some kind of giant heroes and it causes a lot of anger, i understand that without those revolutions, this generation that today demonstrates those examples would not have been brought up of heroism in this world p andrii well, closer to today, russian missiles, nevertheless , often find their targets and infrastructure objects, i understand the situation on the front, it has absolutely

no meaning, no influence and no consequences , but in the rear and in the morale-vigil field it hits the spirit of people who live in the rear quite hard . and when this situation is deepened by the statements of some ukrainian officials, for example, iryna varyashchuk says that it is necessary to evacuate from kherson, leave alone, one of the heads of the top management the children are told that we should leave the whole of ukraine because we are facing an incredible winter, there will be no light, there will be no heat, this also does not improve . appeals to ukrainian citizens. obviously, although i am sure that even if there was a call to leave on february 24,

tens of thousands who came out with automatic weapons on the streets, not only in kyiv, would be very clearly defined in the same way okhtyrka in sumy, in kherson, people came out to defend their cities and i am sure that here the appeals of some politicians will not be of decisive importance. of course, the tactics used by putin today are terrible. i actually used to come to them to scare them, they just flew in through combat positions and i will just help, because not in civilian houses of any military purpose, when there is no water for months, no electricity in a big city, this is, of course, direct terror direct terror of the population is a free population and of course it is not easy and of course it is difficult to give any advice and recommendations here. i know one thing that ukrainian society is the answer to these

questions. we survived the most difficult days of february and april. i am sure that today there is enough internal motivation and ukrainians have enough inner spirit to cross this land to kill this winter, to be able not to go, let's say ways to have heating in those big cities, to have a few to charge the necessary supplies and i deeply i am convinced that these shellings have not achieved the goal that putin is counting on. putin is counting on our stakh to panic, to disorganize, to mistrust each other. i will make sure that the goal will not be reached. it has been a long time, but the spirit in broken ukraine will not be broken. i am confident in all cities and where it is more difficult like kherson today like kyiv and eventually lviv in all

cities today there are shellings and destruction of infrastructure, but i am sure it will not break my spirit and no statements of any politicians will have an influence on the fact that ukrainians believe in obedience the convictions and the spirit are familiar to me. it is difficult to tell such an interesting story, says the boy . in the trenches, we will endure and we will stand only if on the maidan we said we stand, today we say we will win. and this society and the whole nation participates in this victory is about victory, and you often asked yourself the question when the last time it will be and when will this war of our victory end or is it not there at all now it doesn't matter you know there are two logics linear when you count the number of tanks the number rockets, the number of personnel and the historical logic, i have returned you, okay, today we have such a program from memories, historical, who could

say during the respectful revolution how it will end, if they did not ask during the revolution of dignity, how the maidan will end, he said, no one can know or could we predict at least somehow how it will end but i will tell you all these times god's grace was upon us some higher power and higher help when they ran on february 20 although there were tens of times more and they were fully armed and i will remind you already not long ago, when kyiv seemed like the ring would close , and one day they ran, just as they ran on the maidan, they did not throw away that spirit of the armed forces of ukraine, because the armed forces during this war, this is my passion, it is my passion, but also the people, but also the society that feel the soul , it became the same as they ran from kherson as our simply incredible attack and smashed in kharkiv oblast,

this is what they call non-linear things that happen suddenly suddenly the system crumbles and i will remind you of another first stage of the struggle for independence because i came all these stages had the honor or had such experience where the soviet union is one of the largest empires one of the most powerful states how many days it rained like this rained like this rained down i think it will be the same with the russian federation well if we are talking linear of course you can predict that during the winter there will be a certain lull certain regrouping of forces, a certain concentration of resources, when it warms up and when there will be the first frosts so that tanks can go, there will be a clash, our conflict will be more active and powerful, and they will try to attack the base in the same way the direction of the bahmut in which they are already fighting